More lefties learn the glory of the 15 dollar minimum wage....unemployment.....

[Brain357]

You can't seriously think it would just jump to 15. Even in Seattle it will be years before it reaches 15. Fact is previous increases have not done what you claim. You are wrong.

Obviously, I am not. As I said, if raising the MW has NO impact on jobs, let's just raise it to $100/hr and be done with poverty altogether. And, while you're considering that, ask yourself WHY Seattle is taking years to raise its MW to $15/hr. If you answer that honestly, you will find that what I said is correct.

Nobody is suggesting 100, don't be such a drama queen. Exaggeration is all you have? Well previous raises have not effected unemployment.

Why not 100 dollars...why just a living wage...why not a "good living" wage...........if it won't affect jobs, as you declare, and will in fact give people more money to spend, as you declare, giving all people 100 dollars an hour would give people a lot more to spend...right?

Stop being ridiculous. Min wage increases have never increased unemployment.

Don't be an idiot.....the reason teenagers can't find jobs is because of the minimum wage increases......

Then link something showing the relation.

 

[Brain357]

I wouldn't expect any future increases to be too fast or too high. Republicans will make sure it is neither. So there really wouldn't be any negatives.

IOW, you're saying that Republicans are the voice of reason and sanity on this issue?

Not really. They seem to have no interest in increasing wages for the poor. They completely ignore the effects of too much inequality. Democrats seem to recognize the problems, I just don't usually agree with their solutions. Repubs seem to not even recognize the problems.

Wealth income inequality isn't a problem.....it is only when the wealth is stolen that it is a problem...as it is in leftist, socialist economies.....

As long as the market is free, government is small and controlled, people will move up and down the income scale throughout their lives...it is only when the government steps in and tries to "help" people that inequality sets in because then "theft" becomes part of the equation........

Too much inequality leads to slow growth. See our economy.

No, too much government leads to slow growth......the more government tries to "help" and decide which people should get what....that slows the economy down....otherwise it would be going gang busters.....

That is another factor. But too much inequality will slow any economy.

 

[Slyhunter]

Here are more people being enlightened with basic economics.....

Seattle Minimum Wage Kills Jobs Hurts Students PJ Tatler

Students at the University of Washington in Tacoma are getting an object lesson in the value of a dollar. As economic dominoes fall in the wake of a municipal minimum wage hike to $15 per hour in Seattle, university students find themselves digging deeper into their pockets to cover higher prices resulting from the mandate.




Elsewhere, small-business employees initially thrilled by the “raise” granted them by the city have since learned that they’ll be losing their jobs later this year. Red Alert Politics reports:


[Z Pizza] owner Ritu Shah Burnham said she just can’t afford the city’s mandated wage hikes.


“I’ve let one person go since April 1, I’ve cut hours since April 1, I’ve taken them myself because I don’t pay myself,” she told Q13. “I’ve also raised my prices a little bit, there’s no other way to do it.”

Just business 101. Labor is a big cost of doing business. If you don't want to pay your workers a living wage, then close the doors and do something else with your life. Well, business owners can always hire cheap illegal immigrant labor. They'll work for $20.00 a day, which is twice what they earned in their home country. Either pay workers a living wage, or hire illegal immigrant labor, a very simple choice. Or, just close the doors and retire with all the money cheap labor enabled you to make over the years.

Sure, and put ALL your employees out of work. What do they matter when we're trying to make a political point?

Again, either pay them, or close the doors. What are the other choices? You can't force workers to stay if they don't want to. And, you can't change laws by poor-mouthing. Either pay them, or hire illegal immigrants, or close the doors, very simple.

Pizza joints can hire independent contractors and pay them per delivery.

 

[2aguy]

IOW, you're saying that Republicans are the voice of reason and sanity on this issue?

Not really. They seem to have no interest in increasing wages for the poor. They completely ignore the effects of too much inequality. Democrats seem to recognize the problems, I just don't usually agree with their solutions. Repubs seem to not even recognize the problems.

Wealth income inequality isn't a problem.....it is only when the wealth is stolen that it is a problem...as it is in leftist, socialist economies.....

As long as the market is free, government is small and controlled, people will move up and down the income scale throughout their lives...it is only when the government steps in and tries to "help" people that inequality sets in because then "theft" becomes part of the equation........

Too much inequality leads to slow growth. See our economy.

No, too much government leads to slow growth......the more government tries to "help" and decide which people should get what....that slows the economy down....otherwise it would be going gang busters.....

That is another factor. But too much inequality will slow any economy.

Only inequality from government theft.........if people are free to use their money for their own purposes...as gates, buffet, and the apple guys do....then life gets better for everyone..........

The economist who wrote Popular Economics was on Dennis Prager today and discussed this very thing after hearing a clip from that moron bernie sanders on wealth inequality.........rich people investing their money helps the next group of people become rich....

Watch Shark Tank some time....see how it works.....

 

[Slyhunter]

Logic dictates that if someone has a job they should be paid enough to pay the rent. If you're living like a homeless person while employed why not quit your job and be totally homeless?

You can't get people off of welfare if you refuse to pay a living wage.

I myself plan on retiring by slapping a cop once my cancer makes it so I no longer am able to work. I will not be homeless.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Who the hell said anything about people making 50 thousand a year?
You want to fuck over the people who actually worked hard to get to that 10 buck an hour mark.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Logic dictates that if someone has a job they should be paid enough to pay the rent. If you're living like a homeless person while employed why not quit your job and be totally homeless?

You can't get people off of welfare if you refuse to pay a living wage.

I myself plan on retiring by slapping a cop once my cancer makes it so I no longer am able to work. I will not be homeless.

You're pathetic.

 

[Slyhunter]

Logic dictates that if someone has a job they should be paid enough to pay the rent. If you're living like a homeless person while employed why not quit your job and be totally homeless?

You can't get people off of welfare if you refuse to pay a living wage.

I myself plan on retiring by slapping a cop once my cancer makes it so I no longer am able to work. I will not be homeless.

You're pathetic.

I'm a realist and your debating skills suck.

 

[Brain357]

Not really. They seem to have no interest in increasing wages for the poor. They completely ignore the effects of too much inequality. Democrats seem to recognize the problems, I just don't usually agree with their solutions. Repubs seem to not even recognize the problems.

Wealth income inequality isn't a problem.....it is only when the wealth is stolen that it is a problem...as it is in leftist, socialist economies.....

As long as the market is free, government is small and controlled, people will move up and down the income scale throughout their lives...it is only when the government steps in and tries to "help" people that inequality sets in because then "theft" becomes part of the equation........

Too much inequality leads to slow growth. See our economy.

No, too much government leads to slow growth......the more government tries to "help" and decide which people should get what....that slows the economy down....otherwise it would be going gang busters.....

That is another factor. But too much inequality will slow any economy.

Only inequality from government theft.........if people are free to use their money for their own purposes...as gates, buffet, and the apple guys do....then life gets better for everyone..........

The economist who wrote Popular Economics was on Dennis Prager today and discussed this very thing after hearing a clip from that moron bernie sanders on wealth inequality.........rich people investing their money helps the next group of people become rich....

Watch Shark Tank some time....see how it works.....

I'm quite familiar with how the economy works. Far more than most. High inequality slows an economy.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Logic dictates that if someone has a job they should be paid enough to pay the rent. If you're living like a homeless person while employed why not quit your job and be totally homeless?

You can't get people off of welfare if you refuse to pay a living wage.

I myself plan on retiring by slapping a cop once my cancer makes it so I no longer am able to work. I will not be homeless.

You're pathetic.

I'm a realist and your debating skills suck.

I cant stand whiners and beggars... And you appear to be both.

 

[Brain357]

Who the hell said anything about people making 50 thousand a year?
You want to fuck over the people who actually worked hard to get to that 10 buck an hour mark.

That isn't across the board. That's just the very low paid.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Who the hell said anything about people making 50 thousand a year?
You want to fuck over the people who actually worked hard to get to that 10 buck an hour mark.

That isn't across the board. That's just the very low paid.

If you're talking a buck than you still have to give the next pay scale a raise.
If you gave em the 7.50 they want it would be chaos.

 

[Brain357]

Who the hell said anything about people making 50 thousand a year?
You want to fuck over the people who actually worked hard to get to that 10 buck an hour mark.

That isn't across the board. That's just the very low paid.

If you're talking a buck than you still have to give the next pay scale a raise.
If you gave em the 7.50 they want it would be chaos.

Still not across the board. Just the lowest paid. Won't be $15.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Who the hell said anything about people making 50 thousand a year?
You want to fuck over the people who actually worked hard to get to that 10 buck an hour mark.

That isn't across the board. That's just the very low paid.

If you're talking a buck than you still have to give the next pay scale a raise.
If you gave em the 7.50 they want it would be chaos.

Still not across the board. Just the lowest paid. Won't be $15.

If they'd accept a buck I'd be okay with it.
They screwing themselves and creating resistance to anything they propose by being ignorant fucks.

 

[tigerred59]

Here are more people being enlightened with basic economics.....

Seattle Minimum Wage Kills Jobs Hurts Students PJ Tatler

Students at the University of Washington in Tacoma are getting an object lesson in the value of a dollar. As economic dominoes fall in the wake of a municipal minimum wage hike to $15 per hour in Seattle, university students find themselves digging deeper into their pockets to cover higher prices resulting from the mandate.




Elsewhere, small-business employees initially thrilled by the “raise” granted them by the city have since learned that they’ll be losing their jobs later this year. Red Alert Politics reports:


[Z Pizza] owner Ritu Shah Burnham said she just can’t afford the city’s mandated wage hikes.


“I’ve let one person go since April 1, I’ve cut hours since April 1, I’ve taken them myself because I don’t pay myself,” she told Q13. “I’ve also raised my prices a little bit, there’s no other way to do it.”

Not really anything in that article confirming any of the claims. Is this like the last one you posted where a business claimed they were closing but really didn't?

sigh....I don't think anyone on the right could claim the truth if it came gift wrapped and handed personally to them by God. These people are nothing but glorified liars.

 

[tigerred59]

Here are more people being enlightened with basic economics.....

Seattle Minimum Wage Kills Jobs Hurts Students PJ Tatler

Students at the University of Washington in Tacoma are getting an object lesson in the value of a dollar. As economic dominoes fall in the wake of a municipal minimum wage hike to $15 per hour in Seattle, university students find themselves digging deeper into their pockets to cover higher prices resulting from the mandate.




Elsewhere, small-business employees initially thrilled by the “raise” granted them by the city have since learned that they’ll be losing their jobs later this year. Red Alert Politics reports:


[Z Pizza] owner Ritu Shah Burnham said she just can’t afford the city’s mandated wage hikes.


“I’ve let one person go since April 1, I’ve cut hours since April 1, I’ve taken them myself because I don’t pay myself,” she told Q13. “I’ve also raised my prices a little bit, there’s no other way to do it.”

Just business 101. Labor is a big cost of doing business. If you don't want to pay your workers a living wage, then close the doors and do something else with your life. Well, business owners can always hire cheap illegal immigrant labor. They'll work for $20.00 a day, which is twice what they earned in their home country. Either pay workers a living wage, or hire illegal immigrant labor, a very simple choice. Or, just close the doors and retire with all the money cheap labor enabled you to make over the years.

Sure, and put ALL your employees out of work. What do they matter when we're trying to make a political point?

Again, either pay them, or close the doors. What are the other choices? You can't force workers to stay if they don't want to. And, you can't change laws by poor-mouthing. Either pay them, or hire illegal immigrants, or close the doors, very simple.

That's what they do. Close the doors. Everyone is out of a job and it couldn't happen to a more deserving group of employees. The owner can hopefully start again doing something less labor intensive. Something automated.

LOLOLOL.....Let me tell you something, while morons like you are out her championing business's who whine about paying their employee's a decent wage, savvy business's in my neck of the woods is getting the message. Yeah, they can pack up and leave and go to Texas or some low wage state....but the business's where I live..understand, if I pay decent wages, I could possibly garner MORE CUSTOMERS AND GUESS WHAT....THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED...SO MUCH IN FACT, BUSINESS IN BOOMING IN MY HOME TOWN!!

 

[Slyhunter]

Logic dictates that if someone has a job they should be paid enough to pay the rent. If you're living like a homeless person while employed why not quit your job and be totally homeless?

You can't get people off of welfare if you refuse to pay a living wage.

I myself plan on retiring by slapping a cop once my cancer makes it so I no longer am able to work. I will not be homeless.

You're pathetic.

I'm a realist and your debating skills suck.

I cant stand whiners and beggars... And you appear to be both.

What part of my original quote can you argue against?

People won't get off of welfare if they can't get a living wage.
What part of that do you disagree with and have a substantial counter argument to?

A person who works for a living should earn a living. ie. should make enough money to not need government assistance in order to pay his rent.
What part of that do you disagree with?

Does the fact that me getting cancer and loosing my job mean I should be homeless? My only option is to do something to put myself in jail to stop becoming homeless with cancer. Maybe I should just shoot myself according to you? Got a better alternative?

 

[tigerred59]

Who the hell said anything about people making 50 thousand a year?
You want to fuck over the people who actually worked hard to get to that 10 buck an hour mark.

That isn't across the board. That's just the very low paid.

If you're talking a buck than you still have to give the next pay scale a raise.
If you gave em the 7.50 they want it would be chaos.

Still not across the board. Just the lowest paid. Won't be $15.

If they'd accept a buck I'd be okay with it.
They screwing themselves and creating resistance to anything they propose by being ignorant fucks.

Why in the f*** are you stressing yourself out over the min wage, what prison pay isn't good enough for ya!! LOLOLOLOLOL

 

[Slyhunter]

Here are more people being enlightened with basic economics.....

Seattle Minimum Wage Kills Jobs Hurts Students PJ Tatler

Students at the University of Washington in Tacoma are getting an object lesson in the value of a dollar. As economic dominoes fall in the wake of a municipal minimum wage hike to $15 per hour in Seattle, university students find themselves digging deeper into their pockets to cover higher prices resulting from the mandate.




Elsewhere, small-business employees initially thrilled by the “raise” granted them by the city have since learned that they’ll be losing their jobs later this year. Red Alert Politics reports:


[Z Pizza] owner Ritu Shah Burnham said she just can’t afford the city’s mandated wage hikes.


“I’ve let one person go since April 1, I’ve cut hours since April 1, I’ve taken them myself because I don’t pay myself,” she told Q13. “I’ve also raised my prices a little bit, there’s no other way to do it.”

Just business 101. Labor is a big cost of doing business. If you don't want to pay your workers a living wage, then close the doors and do something else with your life. Well, business owners can always hire cheap illegal immigrant labor. They'll work for $20.00 a day, which is twice what they earned in their home country. Either pay workers a living wage, or hire illegal immigrant labor, a very simple choice. Or, just close the doors and retire with all the money cheap labor enabled you to make over the years.

Sure, and put ALL your employees out of work. What do they matter when we're trying to make a political point?

Again, either pay them, or close the doors. What are the other choices? You can't force workers to stay if they don't want to. And, you can't change laws by poor-mouthing. Either pay them, or hire illegal immigrants, or close the doors, very simple.

That's what they do. Close the doors. Everyone is out of a job and it couldn't happen to a more deserving group of employees. The owner can hopefully start again doing something less labor intensive. Something automated.

LOLOLOL.....Let me tell you something, while morons like you are out her championing business's who whine about paying their employee's a decent wage, savvy business's in my neck of the woods is getting the message. Yeah, they can pack up and leave and go to Texas or some low wage state....but the business's where I live..understand, if I pay decent wages, I could possibly garner MORE CUSTOMERS AND GUESS WHAT....THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED...SO MUCH IN FACT, BUSINESS IN BOOMING IN MY HOME TOWN!!

I shop at Walmart because they are cheap.
If Walmart paid a living wage then the mom and pop shops could spring up and take their business away. I would then shop at the mom and pop shops who have no employees to pay. So yes paying a living wage does hurt business.

The question is shouldn't the government compensate those who don't make a living wage or set into regulation rules that require everyone who works for a living earns a living? It's either that or let them starve.

It's only going to get worse. Truckers will be replaced by self driving trucks next --> The World s First Self-Driving Semi-Truck Hits the Road WIRED then buses, finally cabs. Same with engineers on trains. Fast food will be self service only. Nobody will be able to get a low end job because there won't be any. So either the government is going to have to back these people with handouts or we have to pay someone to clean up their carcases and imprison the ones who try to help themselves by any means possible.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Logic dictates that if someone has a job they should be paid enough to pay the rent. If you're living like a homeless person while employed why not quit your job and be totally homeless?

You can't get people off of welfare if you refuse to pay a living wage.

I myself plan on retiring by slapping a cop once my cancer makes it so I no longer am able to work. I will not be homeless.

You're pathetic.

I'm a realist and your debating skills suck.

I cant stand whiners and beggars... And you appear to be both.

What part of my original quote can you argue against?

People won't get off of welfare if they can't get a living wage.
What part of that do you disagree with and have a substantial counter argument to?

A person who works for a living should earn a living. ie. should make enough money to not need government assistance in order to pay his rent.
What part of that do you disagree with?

Does the fact that me getting cancer and loosing my job mean I should be homeless? My only option is to do something to put myself in jail to stop becoming homeless with cancer. Maybe I should just shoot myself according to you? Got a better alternative?

Min wage jobs were never intended to be a career.
I've already survived cancer once and it's going to send me to an early grave eventually so take your sob story elsewhere.