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[Old Rocks]

We know your right and science is wrong no matter how many times someone shows you how wrong you are. By the way NASA says to quit lying.

The 'science' is 'right' and NASA's right too. You're the one who's ridiculously wrong. You're just a confused and clueless retard blowing smoke out your ass about stuff you can't comprehend. All you've ever shown here is how ignorant and idiotic you are.

NASA said there was no arctic ice melting you said there was.

Really? NASA said that?

Ice Loss in the Canadian Arctic Archipelago : Image of the Day

Though much attention has been focused in recent years on the melting of ice from Greenland and Antarctica, nearly half of the ice volume currently being lost to the ocean is actually coming from other mountain glaciers and ice caps. Ice loss from a group of islands in northern Canada accounts for much of that volume.

In a study published in April 2011 in the journal Nature, a team of researchers led by Alex Gardner of the University of Michigan found that land ice in both the northern and southern Canadian Arctic Archipelago has declined sharply. The maps above show ice loss from surface melting for the northern portion of the archipelago from 2004–2006 (left) and 2007–2009 (right). Blue indicates ice gain, and red indicates ice loss.

In the six years studied, the Canadian Arctic Archipelago lost an average of approximately 61 gigatons of ice per year. (A gigaton is a billion tons of ice.) The research team also found the rate of ice loss was accelerating. From 2004 to 2006, the average mass loss was roughly 31 gigatons per year; from 2007 to 2009, the loss increased to 92 gigatons per year.
Gardner and colleagues used three independent methods to assess ice mass, all of which showed the same trends. The team used a model to estimate the surface mass balance of ice and the amount of ice discharged. They also compiled and analyzed measurements from NASA’s Ice, Cloud and Land Elevation Satellite (ICESat) to assess changes in the surface height of ice. Finally, they gathered observations from NASA’s Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) to determine changes in the gravity field in the region, an indicator of the amount of ice gained or lost.

The Canadian Arctic Archipelago generally receives little precipitation, and the amount of snowfall changes little from year to year. But the rate of snow and ice melting varies considerably, so changes in ice mass come largely from changes in summertime melt. During the 2004 to 2009 study period, the Canadian Arctic Archipelago experienced four of its five warmest years since 1960, likely fueling the melting.

 

[Old Rocks]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U30m3538CWo]NASA Arctic ice loss video - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Old Rocks]

Wise to post links when you blanket statements like "NASA says no Arctic ice loss.

NASA - Arctic Sea Ice Continues Decline, Hits 2nd-Lowest Level

 

[Old Rocks]

You can't refute so you ignore what has been presented by the people that oppose you, so you resort to the name calling? Really?

Just refuted the statement.

 

[RollingThunder]

We know your right and science is wrong no matter how many times someone shows you how wrong you are. By the way NASA says to quit lying.

The 'science' is 'right' and NASA's right too. You're the one who's ridiculously wrong. You're just a confused and clueless retard blowing smoke out your ass about stuff you can't comprehend. All you've ever shown here is how ignorant and idiotic you are.

NASA said there was no arctic ice melting you said there was.

NASA did not say that, retard. You're just too stupid to understand what you read.

Here's what NASA actually has to say about the Arctic ice.

Arctic Sea Ice Continues Decline, Hits Second-Lowest Level
NASA
Oct. 4, 2011
(govt. publication - free to reproduce)

WASHINGTON -- Last month the extent of sea ice covering the Arctic Ocean declined to the second-lowest extent on record. Satellite data from NASA and the NASA-supported National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) at the University of Colorado in Boulder showed that the summertime sea ice cover narrowly avoided a new record low.

The Arctic ice cap grows each winter as the sun sets for several months and shrinks each summer as the sun rises higher in the northern sky. Each year the Arctic sea ice reaches its annual minimum extent in September. It hit a record low in 2007.

The near-record ice-melt followed higher-than-average summer temperatures, but without the unusual weather conditions that contributed to the extreme melt of 2007. "Atmospheric and oceanic conditions were not as conducive to ice loss this year, but the melt still neared 2007 levels," said NSIDC scientist Walt Meier. "This probably reflects loss of multiyear ice in the Beaufort and Chukchi seas as well as other factors that are making the ice more vulnerable."

Joey Comiso, senior scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., said the continued low minimum sea ice levels fits into the large-scale decline pattern that scientists have watched unfold over the past three decades.

"The sea ice is not only declining, the pace of the decline is becoming more drastic," Comiso said. "The older, thicker ice is declining faster than the rest, making for a more vulnerable perennial ice cover."

While the sea ice extent did not dip below the 2007 record, the sea ice area as measured by the microwave radiometer on NASA's Aqua satellite did drop slightly lower than 2007 levels for about 10 days in early September, Comiso said. Sea ice "area" differs from extent in that it equals the actual surface area covered by ice, while extent includes any area where ice covers at least 15 percent of the ocean.

Arctic sea ice extent on Sept. 9, the lowest point this year, was 4.33 million square kilometers (1.67 million square miles). Averaged over the month of September, ice extent was 4.61 million square kilometers (1.78 million square miles). This places 2011 as the second lowest ice extent both for the daily minimum extent and the monthly average. Ice extent was 2.43 million square kilometers (938,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average.

This summer's low ice extent continued the downward trend seen over the last 30 years, which scientists attribute largely to warming temperatures caused by climate change. Data show that Arctic sea ice has been declining both in extent and thickness. Since 1979, September Arctic sea ice extent has declined by 12 percent per decade.

"The oldest and thickest ice in the Arctic continues to decline, especially in the Beaufort Sea and the Canada Basin," NSIDC scientist Julienne Stroeve said. "This appears to be an important driver for the low sea ice conditions over the past few summers."

Climate models have suggested that the Arctic could lose almost all of its summer ice cover by 2100, but in recent years, ice extent has declined faster than the models predicted.

 

[Ropey]

You can't refute so you ignore what has been presented by the people that oppose you, so you resort to the name calling? Really?

Just refuted the statement.

That's not a refute. That's just proof that the Arctic Sea Ice is in an ebb at the moment while some other aspects of "global warming" are showing the opposite. There's nowhere near enough real evidence to show that we as humans are producing this effect. There's even less evidence that this 'effect' is global and not simply a seasonal drift of different environmental aspect.

 

[Old Rocks]

Really? Links to real scientific information that supports your statement?

UAH Global Temperature Update for February 2012: -0.12 deg. C « Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The 'science' is 'right' and NASA's right too. You're the one who's ridiculously wrong. You're just a confused and clueless retard blowing smoke out your ass about stuff you can't comprehend. All you've ever shown here is how ignorant and idiotic you are.

NASA said there was no arctic ice melting you said there was.

NASA did not say that, retard. You're just too stupid to understand what you read.

Here's what NASA actually has to say about the Arctic ice.

Arctic Sea Ice Continues Decline, Hits Second-Lowest Level
NASA
Oct. 4, 2011
(govt. publication - free to reproduce)

WASHINGTON -- Last month the extent of sea ice covering the Arctic Ocean declined to the second-lowest extent on record. Satellite data from NASA and the NASA-supported National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) at the University of Colorado in Boulder showed that the summertime sea ice cover narrowly avoided a new record low.

The Arctic ice cap grows each winter as the sun sets for several months and shrinks each summer as the sun rises higher in the northern sky. Each year the Arctic sea ice reaches its annual minimum extent in September. It hit a record low in 2007.

The near-record ice-melt followed higher-than-average summer temperatures, but without the unusual weather conditions that contributed to the extreme melt of 2007. "Atmospheric and oceanic conditions were not as conducive to ice loss this year, but the melt still neared 2007 levels," said NSIDC scientist Walt Meier. "This probably reflects loss of multiyear ice in the Beaufort and Chukchi seas as well as other factors that are making the ice more vulnerable."

Joey Comiso, senior scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., said the continued low minimum sea ice levels fits into the large-scale decline pattern that scientists have watched unfold over the past three decades.

"The sea ice is not only declining, the pace of the decline is becoming more drastic," Comiso said. "The older, thicker ice is declining faster than the rest, making for a more vulnerable perennial ice cover."

While the sea ice extent did not dip below the 2007 record, the sea ice area as measured by the microwave radiometer on NASA's Aqua satellite did drop slightly lower than 2007 levels for about 10 days in early September, Comiso said. Sea ice "area" differs from extent in that it equals the actual surface area covered by ice, while extent includes any area where ice covers at least 15 percent of the ocean.

Arctic sea ice extent on Sept. 9, the lowest point this year, was 4.33 million square kilometers (1.67 million square miles). Averaged over the month of September, ice extent was 4.61 million square kilometers (1.78 million square miles). This places 2011 as the second lowest ice extent both for the daily minimum extent and the monthly average. Ice extent was 2.43 million square kilometers (938,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average.

This summer's low ice extent continued the downward trend seen over the last 30 years, which scientists attribute largely to warming temperatures caused by climate change. Data show that Arctic sea ice has been declining both in extent and thickness. Since 1979, September Arctic sea ice extent has declined by 12 percent per decade.

"The oldest and thickest ice in the Arctic continues to decline, especially in the Beaufort Sea and the Canada Basin," NSIDC scientist Julienne Stroeve said. "This appears to be an important driver for the low sea ice conditions over the past few summers."

Climate models have suggested that the Arctic could lose almost all of its summer ice cover by 2100, but in recent years, ice extent has declined faster than the models predicted.

Hey RETARD

There is a continent about the size of Australia underneath all this ice; the ice sheet sitting on top averages at a little over 2 kilometer (1.2 miles) thick. If all of this ice melted, it would raise global sea level by about 60 meter (197 feet). But little, if any, surface warming is occurring over East Antarctica.

NASA - Is Antarctica Melting?

 

[Old Rocks]

NASA said there was no arctic ice melting you said there was.

NASA did not say that, retard. You're just too stupid to understand what you read.

Here's what NASA actually has to say about the Arctic ice.

Arctic Sea Ice Continues Decline, Hits Second-Lowest Level
NASA
Oct. 4, 2011
(govt. publication - free to reproduce)

WASHINGTON -- Last month the extent of sea ice covering the Arctic Ocean declined to the second-lowest extent on record. Satellite data from NASA and the NASA-supported National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) at the University of Colorado in Boulder showed that the summertime sea ice cover narrowly avoided a new record low.

The Arctic ice cap grows each winter as the sun sets for several months and shrinks each summer as the sun rises higher in the northern sky. Each year the Arctic sea ice reaches its annual minimum extent in September. It hit a record low in 2007.

The near-record ice-melt followed higher-than-average summer temperatures, but without the unusual weather conditions that contributed to the extreme melt of 2007. "Atmospheric and oceanic conditions were not as conducive to ice loss this year, but the melt still neared 2007 levels," said NSIDC scientist Walt Meier. "This probably reflects loss of multiyear ice in the Beaufort and Chukchi seas as well as other factors that are making the ice more vulnerable."

Joey Comiso, senior scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., said the continued low minimum sea ice levels fits into the large-scale decline pattern that scientists have watched unfold over the past three decades.

"The sea ice is not only declining, the pace of the decline is becoming more drastic," Comiso said. "The older, thicker ice is declining faster than the rest, making for a more vulnerable perennial ice cover."

While the sea ice extent did not dip below the 2007 record, the sea ice area as measured by the microwave radiometer on NASA's Aqua satellite did drop slightly lower than 2007 levels for about 10 days in early September, Comiso said. Sea ice "area" differs from extent in that it equals the actual surface area covered by ice, while extent includes any area where ice covers at least 15 percent of the ocean.

Arctic sea ice extent on Sept. 9, the lowest point this year, was 4.33 million square kilometers (1.67 million square miles). Averaged over the month of September, ice extent was 4.61 million square kilometers (1.78 million square miles). This places 2011 as the second lowest ice extent both for the daily minimum extent and the monthly average. Ice extent was 2.43 million square kilometers (938,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average.

This summer's low ice extent continued the downward trend seen over the last 30 years, which scientists attribute largely to warming temperatures caused by climate change. Data show that Arctic sea ice has been declining both in extent and thickness. Since 1979, September Arctic sea ice extent has declined by 12 percent per decade.

"The oldest and thickest ice in the Arctic continues to decline, especially in the Beaufort Sea and the Canada Basin," NSIDC scientist Julienne Stroeve said. "This appears to be an important driver for the low sea ice conditions over the past few summers."

Climate models have suggested that the Arctic could lose almost all of its summer ice cover by 2100, but in recent years, ice extent has declined faster than the models predicted.

Hey RETARD

There is a continent about the size of Australia underneath all this ice; the ice sheet sitting on top averages at a little over 2 kilometer (1.2 miles) thick. If all of this ice melted, it would raise global sea level by about 60 meter (197 feet). But little, if any, surface warming is occurring over East Antarctica.

NASA - Is Antarctica Melting?

Dumb ass, you stated Arctic, now you jump to Antarctic. However, you are equally clueless concerning that continent.

NASA: Earth Is Losing Half A Trillion Tons Of Ice A Year | ThinkProgress

 

[Old Rocks]

NASA - NASA Mission Takes Stock of Earth's Melting Land Ice

 

[Ropey]

Really? Links to real scientific information that supports your statement?

UAH Global Temperature Update for February 2012: -0.12 deg. C « Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

Re-read my previous posts in this thread. If you don't find enough evidence still, then try researching both sides instead of just one side.

 

[saveliberty]

The 'science' is 'right' and NASA's right too. You're the one who's ridiculously wrong. You're just a confused and clueless retard blowing smoke out your ass about stuff you can't comprehend. All you've ever shown here is how ignorant and idiotic you are.

NASA said there was no arctic ice melting you said there was.

NASA did not say that, retard. You're just too stupid to understand what you read.

Here's what NASA actually has to say about the Arctic ice.

Arctic Sea Ice Continues Decline, Hits Second-Lowest Level
NASA
Oct. 4, 2011
(govt. publication - free to reproduce)

WASHINGTON -- Last month the extent of sea ice covering the Arctic Ocean declined to the second-lowest extent on record. Satellite data from NASA and the NASA-supported National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) at the University of Colorado in Boulder showed that the summertime sea ice cover narrowly avoided a new record low.

The Arctic ice cap grows each winter as the sun sets for several months and shrinks each summer as the sun rises higher in the northern sky. Each year the Arctic sea ice reaches its annual minimum extent in September. It hit a record low in 2007.

The near-record ice-melt followed higher-than-average summer temperatures, but without the unusual weather conditions that contributed to the extreme melt of 2007. "Atmospheric and oceanic conditions were not as conducive to ice loss this year, but the melt still neared 2007 levels," said NSIDC scientist Walt Meier. "This probably reflects loss of multiyear ice in the Beaufort and Chukchi seas as well as other factors that are making the ice more vulnerable."

Joey Comiso, senior scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., said the continued low minimum sea ice levels fits into the large-scale decline pattern that scientists have watched unfold over the past three decades.

"The sea ice is not only declining, the pace of the decline is becoming more drastic," Comiso said. "The older, thicker ice is declining faster than the rest, making for a more vulnerable perennial ice cover."

While the sea ice extent did not dip below the 2007 record, the sea ice area as measured by the microwave radiometer on NASA's Aqua satellite did drop slightly lower than 2007 levels for about 10 days in early September, Comiso said. Sea ice "area" differs from extent in that it equals the actual surface area covered by ice, while extent includes any area where ice covers at least 15 percent of the ocean.

Arctic sea ice extent on Sept. 9, the lowest point this year, was 4.33 million square kilometers (1.67 million square miles). Averaged over the month of September, ice extent was 4.61 million square kilometers (1.78 million square miles). This places 2011 as the second lowest ice extent both for the daily minimum extent and the monthly average. Ice extent was 2.43 million square kilometers (938,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average.

This summer's low ice extent continued the downward trend seen over the last 30 years, which scientists attribute largely to warming temperatures caused by climate change. Data show that Arctic sea ice has been declining both in extent and thickness. Since 1979, September Arctic sea ice extent has declined by 12 percent per decade.

"The oldest and thickest ice in the Arctic continues to decline, especially in the Beaufort Sea and the Canada Basin," NSIDC scientist Julienne Stroeve said. "This appears to be an important driver for the low sea ice conditions over the past few summers."

Climate models have suggested that the Arctic could lose almost all of its summer ice cover by 2100, but in recent years, ice extent has declined faster than the models predicted.

Sea ice? Your going to blame atmospheric CO2 on melting sea ice? How about shifting ocean currents?

 

[Roudy]

Wow, only a few billion years. Why don't you just hold your breath until then. Please start now.

People are insignificant life forms on the planet.

Ah, you're confusing your yourself with 'people'. Humans are actually a quite significant force on Earth at this point. It is just you that is insignificant. But that 's mostly because you're a flaming retard.

They have only miniscule(sic) fleeting effects on the environment.

You have only a minuscule fleeting hint of intelligence. You seem to be too retarded to distinguish between geological time scales and human time scales or to understand the difference.

Most environmental concerns are pompus(sic) exercises in ego gratification.

Most environmental concerns are obviously beyond your very limited comprehension or ability to grasp the significance. You're just projecting your own moronic motivations onto people who are many times better educated and intelligent than you are, you poor brainwashed delusional retard.

You know, I don't like doing other people's homework for them. It's really simple just google it. You obviously have a bias and are deaf to what other legitimate sources are saying, but here's a few for you to chew on:

How Missing Sunspots Could Lead to Global Cooling
ARTICLE DATE : June 15, 2011

By Peter Pachal

Just days after the earth came close to being struck by a solar flare, some scientists are saying the sun will actually be soon entering a relatively inactive phase, leading to a drop in sunspot activity. Counterintuitively, however, this could potentially be just as troublesome for the planet.

Recent data collected from different groups of researchers suggests the sun may soon enter a particularly "quiet" period after the current active phase is finished, due to peak in 2013. Scientists have recorded both a decline in the magnitude of sunspots—cooler areas of the sun's surface that are easily visible from earth—and a delay in the "rush" of chunks of the sun's magnetic field toward the poles, which usually signals the beginning of a solar cycle (in the current one, they were late).

On top of that, jetstreams of solar material almost always mark the start of the solar cycle, and they have yet to occur.

"It's like a leading indicator in the stock market," says Dean Pesnell, a project scientist with NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory. "We have leading indicators for solar activity as well. These zonal flows are one of those leading indicators that tells us the timing of the solar cycle. That leading indicator has been expected to show up for several years, and it still has not appeared."

 

[bigrebnc1775]

NASA did not say that, retard. You're just too stupid to understand what you read.

Here's what NASA actually has to say about the Arctic ice.

Arctic Sea Ice Continues Decline, Hits Second-Lowest Level
NASA
Oct. 4, 2011
(govt. publication - free to reproduce)

WASHINGTON -- Last month the extent of sea ice covering the Arctic Ocean declined to the second-lowest extent on record. Satellite data from NASA and the NASA-supported National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) at the University of Colorado in Boulder showed that the summertime sea ice cover narrowly avoided a new record low.

The Arctic ice cap grows each winter as the sun sets for several months and shrinks each summer as the sun rises higher in the northern sky. Each year the Arctic sea ice reaches its annual minimum extent in September. It hit a record low in 2007.

The near-record ice-melt followed higher-than-average summer temperatures, but without the unusual weather conditions that contributed to the extreme melt of 2007. "Atmospheric and oceanic conditions were not as conducive to ice loss this year, but the melt still neared 2007 levels," said NSIDC scientist Walt Meier. "This probably reflects loss of multiyear ice in the Beaufort and Chukchi seas as well as other factors that are making the ice more vulnerable."

Joey Comiso, senior scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., said the continued low minimum sea ice levels fits into the large-scale decline pattern that scientists have watched unfold over the past three decades.

"The sea ice is not only declining, the pace of the decline is becoming more drastic," Comiso said. "The older, thicker ice is declining faster than the rest, making for a more vulnerable perennial ice cover."

While the sea ice extent did not dip below the 2007 record, the sea ice area as measured by the microwave radiometer on NASA's Aqua satellite did drop slightly lower than 2007 levels for about 10 days in early September, Comiso said. Sea ice "area" differs from extent in that it equals the actual surface area covered by ice, while extent includes any area where ice covers at least 15 percent of the ocean.

Arctic sea ice extent on Sept. 9, the lowest point this year, was 4.33 million square kilometers (1.67 million square miles). Averaged over the month of September, ice extent was 4.61 million square kilometers (1.78 million square miles). This places 2011 as the second lowest ice extent both for the daily minimum extent and the monthly average. Ice extent was 2.43 million square kilometers (938,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average.

This summer's low ice extent continued the downward trend seen over the last 30 years, which scientists attribute largely to warming temperatures caused by climate change. Data show that Arctic sea ice has been declining both in extent and thickness. Since 1979, September Arctic sea ice extent has declined by 12 percent per decade.

"The oldest and thickest ice in the Arctic continues to decline, especially in the Beaufort Sea and the Canada Basin," NSIDC scientist Julienne Stroeve said. "This appears to be an important driver for the low sea ice conditions over the past few summers."

Climate models have suggested that the Arctic could lose almost all of its summer ice cover by 2100, but in recent years, ice extent has declined faster than the models predicted.

Hey RETARD

There is a continent about the size of Australia underneath all this ice; the ice sheet sitting on top averages at a little over 2 kilometer (1.2 miles) thick. If all of this ice melted, it would raise global sea level by about 60 meter (197 feet). But little, if any, surface warming is occurring over East Antarctica.

NASA - Is Antarctica Melting?

Dumb ass, you stated Arctic, now you jump to Antarctic. However, you are equally clueless concerning that continent.

NASA: Earth Is Losing Half A Trillion Tons Of Ice A Year | ThinkProgress

OH you won you use think progress holy fucking shit.

 

[Roudy]

...and here's another one.

NASA Says Earth Is Entering A Cooling Period
by Jonathan DuHamel on Dec. 15, 2010, under Climate change

Most of the headlines are grabbed by NASA’s James Hansen, Head of Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York. Hansen has been the doomsayer-sayer-in-chief of the climate alarmists along with Al Gore. Hansen has been quoted as saying, “The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains.” But other NASA scientists who use satellites to collect real data, take a different view, and are now saying that “our world should be just beginning to enter a new period of cooling — perhaps the next ice age.”

Here is the complete NASA article:

What are the primary forcings of the Earth system?

The Sun is the primary forcing of Earth’s climate system. Sunlight warms our world. Sunlight drives atmospheric and oceanic circulation patterns. Sunlight powers the process of photosynthesis that plants need to grow. Sunlight causes convection which carries warmth and water vapor up into the sky where clouds form and bring rain. In short, the Sun drives almost every aspect of our world’s climate system and makes possible life as we know it.

Earth’s orbit around and orientation toward the Sun change over spans of many thousands of years. In turn, these changing “orbital mechanics” force climate to change because they change where and how much sunlight reaches Earth. Thus, changing Earth’s exposure to sunlight forces climate to change. According to scientists’ models of Earth’s orbit and orientation toward the Sun indicate that our world should be just beginning to enter a new period of cooling — perhaps the next ice age.

 

[Roudy]

last one, there's obviously more where this came from:

Popular Technology.net: Global Cooling in 2008

Global Cooling in 2008

2008 was a year of Global Cooling contrary to the propaganda promoted by Al Gore and the mainstream media about a "warming earth". Hundreds to thousands of people froze to death in India, China and Afghanistan. There was record breaking cold temperatures and snow falls yet the hysteria continued - a climate tour icebreaker got stuck in Arctic ice, AGW activists learned the hard way that the Arctic still had ice and snow fell as the UK's House of Commons debated Global Warming legislation. Ironic? Yes but the empirical evidence clearly shows that the climate is cooling:

2008 - Cold Weather Kills 38 in Northern India (FOX News, January 2, 2008)
2008 - Indian cold wave toll kills 90 (The Earth Times, January 3, 2008)
2008 - A cold spell soon to replace global warming (RIA Novosti, January 3, 2008)
2008 - Cold Stretches Throughout East; Flurries Reported in Florida (FOX News, January 3, 2008)
2008 - Br-r-r! Where did global warming go? (The Boston Globe, January 6, 2008)
2008 - Snow, winds close highways, collapse roofs in Wash. (USA Today, January 8, 2008)
2008 - First snow for 100 years falls on Baghdad (AFP, January 11, 2008)
2008 - Saudi Arabia covered with snow in coldest winter for 20 years (RIA Novosti, January 11, 2008)
2008 - Russian scientist says Earth could soon face new Ice Age (RIA Novosti, January 22, 2008)
2008 - China battles "coldest winter in 100 years" (Reuters, February 4, 2008)

 

[RollingThunder]

NASA said there was no arctic ice melting you said there was.

NASA did not say that, retard. You're just too stupid to understand what you read.

Here's what NASA actually has to say about the Arctic ice.

Arctic Sea Ice Continues Decline, Hits Second-Lowest Level
NASA
Oct. 4, 2011
(govt. publication - free to reproduce)

WASHINGTON -- Last month the extent of sea ice covering the Arctic Ocean declined to the second-lowest extent on record. Satellite data from NASA and the NASA-supported National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) at the University of Colorado in Boulder showed that the summertime sea ice cover narrowly avoided a new record low.

The Arctic ice cap grows each winter as the sun sets for several months and shrinks each summer as the sun rises higher in the northern sky. Each year the Arctic sea ice reaches its annual minimum extent in September. It hit a record low in 2007.

The near-record ice-melt followed higher-than-average summer temperatures, but without the unusual weather conditions that contributed to the extreme melt of 2007. "Atmospheric and oceanic conditions were not as conducive to ice loss this year, but the melt still neared 2007 levels," said NSIDC scientist Walt Meier. "This probably reflects loss of multiyear ice in the Beaufort and Chukchi seas as well as other factors that are making the ice more vulnerable."

Joey Comiso, senior scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., said the continued low minimum sea ice levels fits into the large-scale decline pattern that scientists have watched unfold over the past three decades.

"The sea ice is not only declining, the pace of the decline is becoming more drastic," Comiso said. "The older, thicker ice is declining faster than the rest, making for a more vulnerable perennial ice cover."

While the sea ice extent did not dip below the 2007 record, the sea ice area as measured by the microwave radiometer on NASA's Aqua satellite did drop slightly lower than 2007 levels for about 10 days in early September, Comiso said. Sea ice "area" differs from extent in that it equals the actual surface area covered by ice, while extent includes any area where ice covers at least 15 percent of the ocean.

Arctic sea ice extent on Sept. 9, the lowest point this year, was 4.33 million square kilometers (1.67 million square miles). Averaged over the month of September, ice extent was 4.61 million square kilometers (1.78 million square miles). This places 2011 as the second lowest ice extent both for the daily minimum extent and the monthly average. Ice extent was 2.43 million square kilometers (938,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average.

This summer's low ice extent continued the downward trend seen over the last 30 years, which scientists attribute largely to warming temperatures caused by climate change. Data show that Arctic sea ice has been declining both in extent and thickness. Since 1979, September Arctic sea ice extent has declined by 12 percent per decade.

"The oldest and thickest ice in the Arctic continues to decline, especially in the Beaufort Sea and the Canada Basin," NSIDC scientist Julienne Stroeve said. "This appears to be an important driver for the low sea ice conditions over the past few summers."

Climate models have suggested that the Arctic could lose almost all of its summer ice cover by 2100, but in recent years, ice extent has declined faster than the models predicted.

Hey RETARD

Talking to yourself again, I see.

There is a continent about the size of Australia underneath all this ice; the ice sheet sitting on top averages at a little over 2 kilometer (1.2 miles) thick. If all of this ice melted, it would raise global sea level by about 60 meter (197 feet). But little, if any, surface warming is occurring over East Antarctica.

NASA - Is Antarctica Melting?

You first posted this irrelevant and misleading nonsense in post #1196 on this thread and I refuted it in post #1204. Are you so retarded that you forgot that already?

What does this off topic stuff have to do with either the cold weather in Europe or the increase in record high temperatures in the US, moron. Are you grasping at straws again?

So there is little surface warming over East Antarctica. So what? It is the West Antarctic Ice Sheet that is melting fast and raising sea levels.

From the NASA article you cited:

The continent of Antarctica has been losing more than 100 cubic kilometers (24 cubic miles) of ice per year since 2002.​

 

[RollingThunder]

Really? Links to real scientific information that supports your statement?

UAH Global Temperature Update for February 2012: -0.12 deg. C « Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

Re-read my previous posts in this thread. If you don't find enough evidence still, then try researching both sides instead of just one side.

Your previous posts are retarded drivel. You have posted nothing that supports your braindead delusions.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Really? Links to real scientific information that supports your statement?

UAH Global Temperature Update for February 2012: -0.12 deg. C « Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

Re-read my previous posts in this thread. If you don't find enough evidence still, then try researching both sides instead of just one side.

Your previous posts are retarded drivel. You have posted nothing that supports your braindead delusions.

Everything you have posted is retarded.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

NASA did not say that, retard. You're just too stupid to understand what you read.

Here's what NASA actually has to say about the Arctic ice.

Arctic Sea Ice Continues Decline, Hits Second-Lowest Level
NASA
Oct. 4, 2011
(govt. publication - free to reproduce)

WASHINGTON -- Last month the extent of sea ice covering the Arctic Ocean declined to the second-lowest extent on record. Satellite data from NASA and the NASA-supported National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) at the University of Colorado in Boulder showed that the summertime sea ice cover narrowly avoided a new record low.

The Arctic ice cap grows each winter as the sun sets for several months and shrinks each summer as the sun rises higher in the northern sky. Each year the Arctic sea ice reaches its annual minimum extent in September. It hit a record low in 2007.

The near-record ice-melt followed higher-than-average summer temperatures, but without the unusual weather conditions that contributed to the extreme melt of 2007. "Atmospheric and oceanic conditions were not as conducive to ice loss this year, but the melt still neared 2007 levels," said NSIDC scientist Walt Meier. "This probably reflects loss of multiyear ice in the Beaufort and Chukchi seas as well as other factors that are making the ice more vulnerable."

Joey Comiso, senior scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., said the continued low minimum sea ice levels fits into the large-scale decline pattern that scientists have watched unfold over the past three decades.

"The sea ice is not only declining, the pace of the decline is becoming more drastic," Comiso said. "The older, thicker ice is declining faster than the rest, making for a more vulnerable perennial ice cover."

While the sea ice extent did not dip below the 2007 record, the sea ice area as measured by the microwave radiometer on NASA's Aqua satellite did drop slightly lower than 2007 levels for about 10 days in early September, Comiso said. Sea ice "area" differs from extent in that it equals the actual surface area covered by ice, while extent includes any area where ice covers at least 15 percent of the ocean.

Arctic sea ice extent on Sept. 9, the lowest point this year, was 4.33 million square kilometers (1.67 million square miles). Averaged over the month of September, ice extent was 4.61 million square kilometers (1.78 million square miles). This places 2011 as the second lowest ice extent both for the daily minimum extent and the monthly average. Ice extent was 2.43 million square kilometers (938,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average.

This summer's low ice extent continued the downward trend seen over the last 30 years, which scientists attribute largely to warming temperatures caused by climate change. Data show that Arctic sea ice has been declining both in extent and thickness. Since 1979, September Arctic sea ice extent has declined by 12 percent per decade.

"The oldest and thickest ice in the Arctic continues to decline, especially in the Beaufort Sea and the Canada Basin," NSIDC scientist Julienne Stroeve said. "This appears to be an important driver for the low sea ice conditions over the past few summers."

Climate models have suggested that the Arctic could lose almost all of its summer ice cover by 2100, but in recent years, ice extent has declined faster than the models predicted.

Hey RETARD

Talking to yourself again, I see.

There is a continent about the size of Australia underneath all this ice; the ice sheet sitting on top averages at a little over 2 kilometer (1.2 miles) thick. If all of this ice melted, it would raise global sea level by about 60 meter (197 feet). But little, if any, surface warming is occurring over East Antarctica.

NASA - Is Antarctica Melting?

You first posted this irrelevant and misleading nonsense in post #1196 on this thread and I refuted it in post #1204. Are you so retarded that you forgot that already?

What does this off topic stuff have to do with either the cold weather in Europe or the increase in record high temperatures in the US, moron. Are you grasping at straws again?

So there is little surface warming over East Antarctica. So what? It is the West Antarctic Ice Sheet that is melting fast and raising sea levels.

From the NASA article you cited:

The continent of Antarctica has been losing more than 100 cubic kilometers (24 cubic miles) of ice per year since 2002.​

You are Retarded and without any comprehension skills. That explains you problem with the facts.