Mosque shooting in New Zealand

[2aguy]

I cannot believe you are actually celebrating the failure of gun control. There is no limit to the depths you will sink to,

Says she who proudly stands on the bodies and bathes herself in the blood of innocent victims while screaming for more gun control.

We don't need more gun control in Canada. We need Americans to stop smuggling guns into our country.

You need a wall. It would stop Canadians from smuggling American guns into Canada.

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Canadian man gets 51 months in border gun smuggling case

30 handguns seized in investigation into cross-border smuggling: police

Wrong....Canada doesn't have a gun murder problem...they have gun control there......which is why their gun murder problem is going up......more and more fatherless boys raised by single teenage mothers......fix that, and you fix your gun problem.

Didn't read the thread, did you? dragonbiddy was impugning Americans for smuggling firearms into Canada. I was pointing out that they should build a wall to keep Canadians from trying to smuggle firearms into their own nation.

After a while I stop reading her threads......I can only take so much from left wing gun grabbers in a day....

 

[indiajo]

Cars killed 38,659 people in 2017.

Guns used in murder killed 10,982

According to your logic, we need to ban cars......now.

Do I unerstand this correctly?
You want to give Muslim immigrants the right to own and carry guns?
That's smart.

If they are U.S. citizens they can already own, buy and carry guns.....I see them from time to time at the gun store already......any citizen of the U.S. is covered by our Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment.

Your founding fathers could not anticipate the problems you will experience from the present islamic development.
At least you have guns yourselves. Which leaves you less fucked up than us in Europe.

 

[2aguy]

Cars killed 38,659 people in 2017.

Guns used in murder killed 10,982

According to your logic, we need to ban cars......now.

Do I unerstand this correctly?
You want to give Muslim immigrants the right to own and carry guns?
That's smart.

If they are U.S. citizens they can already own, buy and carry guns.....I see them from time to time at the gun store already......any citizen of the U.S. is covered by our Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment.

Your founding fathers could not anticipate the problems you will experience from the present islamic development.
At least you have guns yourselves. Which leaves you less fucked up than us in Europe.

As you experience more and more violence from fatherless boys, decades from now you will relax your gun laws....

 

[Dragonlady]

links?

Here....

Keep in mind almost all mass public shootings take place in government mandated gun free zones for law abiding citizens...so they don't have their legal guns with them most of the time....but when they do?

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

How many armed people stood outside at Parkland.

Your statistics are bullshit.

Mass shootings at bars, churches/mosques, businesses.

You do know that people with legal carry permits are not allowed to carry on the grounds of any school don't you?

So if there were a bunch of people who were armed at the school they would all be breaking the law and since the vast majority of gun owners are all law abiding , they were not at the school with guns.

So they could carry an assault type rifle to within 100 feet or less of an entrance and be perfectly legal.

Are you really this stupid? What part of the gun free zone laws currently in place stop this from happening already? And all of the mass school shootings we have had could have been carried out with 6 shot revolvers......you moron....

The only thing that keeps these shooters away is getting rid of gun free zones...

We know this, this is a fact.....these shooters, including the Sandy Hook shooter choose their locations because they want gun free zones.....their notes, their statements tell us this....you guys don't want to stop the killing, you just want to ban guns for law abiding gun owners....you are sick.

Not once ever has a mass shooter even mentioned "gun free zones". Adam Lantz was so fucked up on drugs and his mental issues I doubt the idea of "gun free zones" even crossed his mind. The Parkland shooter knew there was a guard with a gun on duty at the school and that didn't stop him, or even slow him down.

All of your posts about gun control are filled with distortions, lies and facts not in evidence. The murder rate in Canada isn't going up, it's going down. Every few years there's spike, like last year, but the police do a mass raid and arrest everyone with gun and get them off the street, and the murder rate goes down again. The fewer guns on the street, the fewer murders.

Facts, asshole. Cold hard facts.

 

[JoeB131]

Not once ever has a mass shooter even mentioned "gun free zones". Adam Lantz was so fucked up on drugs and his mental issues I doubt the idea of "gun free zones" even crossed his mind. The Parkland shooter knew there was a guard with a gun on duty at the school and that didn't stop him, or even slow him down.

All of your posts about gun control are filled with distortions, lies and facts not in evidence. The murder rate in Canada isn't going up, it's going down. Every few years there's spike, like last year, but the police do a mass raid and arrest everyone with gun and get them off the street, and the murder rate goes down again. The fewer guns on the street, the fewer murders.

Facts, asshole. Cold hard facts.

Keep in mind, 2AGuy is compensating for his "Shortcomings".

 

[2aguy]

Here....

Keep in mind almost all mass public shootings take place in government mandated gun free zones for law abiding citizens...so they don't have their legal guns with them most of the time....but when they do?

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

How many armed people stood outside at Parkland.

Your statistics are bullshit.

Mass shootings at bars, churches/mosques, businesses.

You do know that people with legal carry permits are not allowed to carry on the grounds of any school don't you?

So if there were a bunch of people who were armed at the school they would all be breaking the law and since the vast majority of gun owners are all law abiding , they were not at the school with guns.

So they could carry an assault type rifle to within 100 feet or less of an entrance and be perfectly legal.

Are you really this stupid? What part of the gun free zone laws currently in place stop this from happening already? And all of the mass school shootings we have had could have been carried out with 6 shot revolvers......you moron....

The only thing that keeps these shooters away is getting rid of gun free zones...

We know this, this is a fact.....these shooters, including the Sandy Hook shooter choose their locations because they want gun free zones.....their notes, their statements tell us this....you guys don't want to stop the killing, you just want to ban guns for law abiding gun owners....you are sick.

Not once ever has a mass shooter even mentioned "gun free zones". Adam Lantz was so fucked up on drugs and his mental issues I doubt the idea of "gun free zones" even crossed his mind. The Parkland shooter knew there was a guard with a gun on duty at the school and that didn't stop him, or even slow him down.

All of your posts about gun control are filled with distortions, lies and facts not in evidence. The murder rate in Canada isn't going up, it's going down. Every few years there's spike, like last year, but the police do a mass raid and arrest everyone with gun and get them off the street, and the murder rate goes down again. The fewer guns on the street, the fewer murders.

Facts, asshole. Cold hard facts.

.......you don't know anything about the topic.....

Sandy hook, did not have police resource officer, the other schools in the area did....

Building a safer Sandy Hook | News21: Gun Wars

The high school and middle school, which already had armed resource officers, doubled down on security and restricted all visitors that didn’t have prior permission to enter.


Orlando, Pulse Night club shooter wanted to attack Disney land

Pulse shooter’s initial target was Disney site, prosecutors say


Prosecutors say the Orlando nightclub shooter intended to attack Disney World’s shopping and entertainment complex by hiding a gun in a stroller but became spooked by police and chose the gay club as his target.



3/5/18
The Washington Post's School Shooter Profile: A Chilling Account | National Review

The second thing: The shooter reveals that he thought seriously about whether his target would be a “gun free zone.” I mention this not to endorse any particular policy, but to make it clear that it is by no means rare for those who would do harm to first scope out their destinations and to make sure that they won’t encounter much resistance. The shooter openly explains that he chose the local elementary school, rather than the school he was really angry with (his own), because it lacked an armed guard. He also admits to having researched how long it took cops to respond in the area (15 minutes), and how long it would be before SWAT was on site (45 minutes). This echoes comments made by the shooter at Isla Vista, who considered carrying out his attack on Halloween, but decided against it because there’d be “too many cops walking around during an event like Halloween, and cops are the only ones who can hinder my plans.”
The actual story linked above...

“I HAVE TO BEAT **** **** . .” he wrote nine days before the Sept. 28, 2016, shooting in a misspelled reference to the Sandy Hook killer,**** ****. “Atleast 40.”

Two days later, he debated whether he should attack his middle school, from which he’d been expelled, or his elementary school, just up the road.

He decided on Townville Elementary because it was closer and had no armed security.


“Itll be like shooting fish in a barrel,” he wrote his friends, whose identities remain unclear, along with whether the FBI has tracked any of them down. The agency declined to comment, citing Jesse’s open case.

In the chat, he said he had researched police response times for the area and found that it would take them 15 minutes to get there, maybe 45 for SWAT. He said he would throw pipe bombs into each classroom before he got in a shootout with police and killed himself with his shotgun. He said he had been planning a massacre for two years.

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The Colorado theater shooter evidence...

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/10/did-colorado-shooter-single-out-cinemark-theater.html#ixzz2F4pLqhxu

Yet, neither explanation is right. Instead, out of all the movie theaters within 20 minutes of his apartment showing the new Batman movie that night, it was the only one where guns were banned. In Colorado, individuals with permits can carry concealed handgun in most malls, stores, movie theaters, and restaurants. But private businesses can determine whether permit holders can carry guns on their private property.

Most movie theaters allow permit holders carrying guns. But the Cinemark movie theater was the only one with a sign posted at the theater’s entrance.

A simple web search and some telephone calls reveal how easily one can find out how Cinemark compared to other movie theaters. According to mapquest.com and movies.com, there were seven movie theaters showing "The Dark Knight Rises" on July 20th within 20 minutes of the killer’s apartment at 1690 Paris St, Aurora, Colorado. At 4 miles and an 8-minute car ride, the Cinemark’s Century Theater wasn't the closest. Another theater was only 1.2 miles (3 minutes) away.

There was also a theater just slightly further away, 10 minutes. It is the "home of Colorado's largest auditorium," according to their movie hotline greeting message. The potentially huge audience ought to have been attractive to someone trying to kill as many people as possible. Four other theaters were 18 minutes, two at 19 minutes, and 20 minutes away. But all of those theaters allowed permitted concealed handguns.

So why would a mass shooter pick a place that bans guns? The answer should be obvious, though it apparently is not clear to the media – disarming law-abiding citizens leaves them as sitting ducks




FBI: Dearborn Heights ISIS supporter planned to attack Detroit church

In conversation's between Abu-Rayyan and the undercover agent, Abu-Rayyan described his desire to commit a martyrdom operation.

The complaint filed in federal court doesn’t specify which Detroit church he was allegedly planning to attack, only that it was close and could seat 6,000 members.

The complaint quotes Abu-Rayyan saying:

“It's easy, and a lot of people go there. Plus people are not allowed to carry guns in church. Plus it would make the news. Everybody would've heard. Honestly I regret not doing it. If I can't do jihad in the Middle East, I would do my jihad over here."

He had also told the undercover agent that a church would be an easy target because people are not allowed to carry guns there and that it would make the news.
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Minnesota…...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/minn-teen-made-bombs-stockpiled-guns-prep-school-massacre-police-article-1.1776006

The unhinged teen told cops, after being busted Tuesday, that he planned to shoot his sister, mom and dad with a .22-caliber rifle before he went to a rural field and set a fire to distract cops.

The 11th-grader then said he planned to go to Waseca Junior and Senior High School where he would toss Molotov cocktails and explode pressure-cooker bombs to try and kill “as many students as he could” in the cafeteria during lunchtime.

About 1,000 students, in 7th through 12th grade, attend the school.

LaDue, according to the notebook of his plan, would kill the school resource officer before continuing to kill other students. He was prepared to be gunned down by a SWAT Team, police said.



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Vince Vaughn is right about guns (and was brave to be so honest) | Fox News

Last June, Elliot Rodger, who killed six people in Santa Barbara, Calif., explained his own choice. In his 141-page “Manifesto,” Rodger turned down alternate targets because he worried that someone with a gun would cut short his killing spree.

That same month, Justin Bourque shot to death three people in Canada. His Facebook page made fun of gun bans, with pictures of defenseless victims explaining to killers that they weren’t allowed to have guns.

The diary of the Aurora, Colorado, “Batman” movie theater killer, James Holmes, was finally released this past week. It was clear that he was considering both attacking an airport and a movie theater, but he turned down the airport option because he was concerned about their “substantial security.”

Of course, there are numerous other examples such as the Columbine killersopposing the concealed carry law that was then working its way through the state legislature. The bill would have allowed people to carry permitted concealed handguns on school property. The killers timed their attack for the very day that final passage of the law was planned for in the legislature.

If you go to the link for the Colorado theater shooter they have a photo of his journal where he has notes about airports…..he lists one of the items…."Substantial Security"

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/james-holmes-notebook-dragged.pdf
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Sandy hook, did not have police resource officer

Building a safer Sandy Hook | News21: Gun Wars

The high school and middle school, which already had armed resource officers, doubled down on security and restricted all visitors that didn’t have prior permission to enter.

 

[2aguy]

Not once ever has a mass shooter even mentioned "gun free zones". Adam Lantz was so fucked up on drugs and his mental issues I doubt the idea of "gun free zones" even crossed his mind. The Parkland shooter knew there was a guard with a gun on duty at the school and that didn't stop him, or even slow him down.

All of your posts about gun control are filled with distortions, lies and facts not in evidence. The murder rate in Canada isn't going up, it's going down. Every few years there's spike, like last year, but the police do a mass raid and arrest everyone with gun and get them off the street, and the murder rate goes down again. The fewer guns on the street, the fewer murders.

Facts, asshole. Cold hard facts.

Keep in mind, 2AGuy is compensating for his "Shortcomings".

And to the penis joke.....you are seriously in trouble....you need to get help from a trained professional. Whenever we talk about guns and gun control, you immediately thing about a man's penis.....you psycho sexual response is damaged and you need help....guns are not sex toys.....they are self defense tools. That you confuse this is dangerous, and needs professional attention.

 

[Polishprince]

Here....

Keep in mind almost all mass public shootings take place in government mandated gun free zones for law abiding citizens...so they don't have their legal guns with them most of the time....but when they do?

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

How many armed people stood outside at Parkland.

Your statistics are bullshit.

Mass shootings at bars, churches/mosques, businesses.

You do know that people with legal carry permits are not allowed to carry on the grounds of any school don't you?

So if there were a bunch of people who were armed at the school they would all be breaking the law and since the vast majority of gun owners are all law abiding , they were not at the school with guns.

So they could carry an assault type rifle to within 100 feet or less of an entrance and be perfectly legal.

Are you really this stupid? What part of the gun free zone laws currently in place stop this from happening already? And all of the mass school shootings we have had could have been carried out with 6 shot revolvers......you moron....

The only thing that keeps these shooters away is getting rid of gun free zones...

We know this, this is a fact.....these shooters, including the Sandy Hook shooter choose their locations because they want gun free zones.....their notes, their statements tell us this....you guys don't want to stop the killing, you just want to ban guns for law abiding gun owners....you are sick.

Not once ever has a mass shooter even mentioned "gun free zones". Adam Lantz was so fucked up on drugs and his mental issues I doubt the idea of "gun free zones" even crossed his mind. The Parkland shooter knew there was a guard with a gun on duty at the school and that didn't stop him, or even slow him down.

All of your posts about gun control are filled with distortions, lies and facts not in evidence. The murder rate in Canada isn't going up, it's going down. Every few years there's spike, like last year, but the police do a mass raid and arrest everyone with gun and get them off the street, and the murder rate goes down again. The fewer guns on the street, the fewer murders.

Facts, asshole. Cold hard facts.

The facts are that libs really don't have a plan to disarm Americans. They controlled Chicago for many years, virtually banned the carrying of firearms. The result was that people just went to back alley gun dealers and meeting dealers in the back rooms of bars for their self defense needs. You libs might want old people to lock themselves into their homes for protection, but IMHO, its not going to happen. We geezers are going to continue to go out, and be armed, and if some young thugs pull a firearm on us, they better be prepared.

 

[zaangalewa]

We already have plenty of gun control laws

Evidently, not enough.

People kill people not firearms… Firearms have nothing to do with violence

A tool with no other purpose but to kill

Firearms have no control over people

Guns don’t kill people
People kill people

What's wrong. Again: In Germany die about 50 people a year because of firearms. In the USA it are more than 30,000 every year. That's 15,000% more (calculated on the same level of population): 15,000%!!! 150 times more often!!!

They just prefer to use guns

I'm by the way very impressed from the two policemen who had arrrested this damned bloody asshole. They did a great job. And the best: They got him alive. That's very good. This will help lots of psychologist and forensic experts to find out what's really going on in the life and brain of such a ruthless mass-murderer, who kills people who never had done him on his own something bad in his life, but murders only on reason of totally perverted ideas and stupid political propaganda, which others dissiminate. We have to understand how someone is able to lose totally the control about the own essential life and acts like an empty minded killer machine.

 

[Rustic]

We already have plenty of gun control laws

Evidently, not enough.

People kill people not firearms… Firearms have nothing to do with violence

A tool with no other purpose but to kill

Firearms have no control over people

Guns don’t kill people
People kill people

They just prefer to use guns

Na, Not really… In the Middle East they prefer vehicles and bombs.

 

[Rustic]

We have more than enough we just don't enforce them

We can ban these stupid assault type rifles.

AR15’s are just sporting rifles, nothing more nothing less

Great for hunting squirrels and shooting up a classroom full of six year olds

I guess that's why 99.999% of people who own an Ar 15 will never shoot up a roomful of 6 year old kids

I bet they are so proud of themselves

We have much bigger fish to fry... fact

 

[Rustic]

Cars killed 38,659 people in 2017.

Guns used in murder killed 10,982

According to your logic, we need to ban cars......now.

Do I unerstand this correctly?
You want to give Muslim immigrants the right to own and carry guns?
That's smart.

Lol
You do realize you have to be a citizen to own firearms legally. Dumbass

 

[Rustic]

Why? They kill fewer people than knives do every single year.....do you want to ban knives too?


Knives kill more people every single year than all rifle types......so they kill way more people than AR-15 rifles in particular.....so, according to you, we need to ban knives...right?

Knives are deadlier each year than these rifles.......do you want to ban all knives?

A rental Truck in Nice, France, Driven by a muslim terrorist was used to murder 86 people, more people than in any of our mass public shootings, and he injured 435 others.....do you want to ban them too?

Rifles are used to kill fewer people than knives, clubs and even bare hands.....





For 2017.....with now more than 17.25 million Americans carrying guns for self defense....10,982

Rifles...still kill fewer people each year than knives... 403

Knives.....1,591

Hands and feet......696

Clubs.....467

All of those numbers are dwarfed by the number of Americans who are slaughtered in Planned Parenthood clinics and other abortuaries across the Fruited Plain. And these folks are saluted and financed by the Deep State. Kermit Gosnell, who is in a Pennsylvania penitentiary today, would be a hero in New York today for his advances in post-birth abortions. Gosnell received many liberal awards over his career.

Yep........the democrat party is the party of madness, racism, hate, misogyny...............they need to be voted out of power at every level...

You voted for Trump. You can't get any dumber than that.

Please, quit this shit you assfucks ate doing but taking Trump's fault & applying them to Democrts. It just makes you look dumber than you already are.

The democrat party wants to kill living babies, supports anti-semitism, supports misogyny, racism and hate.....not Trump......you belong to them, you are a vile human.

You are either lying or too God damn stupid top know about the bills you are misrepresenting. Which is it?

They do not support anti-Seminism.

You assfucks elected the misogynist, bigot & racist with Trump. So shove you bullshit.

Only fools look at everything to race and gender… You fucking retard

 

[Rustic]

Why? They kill fewer people than knives do every single year.....do you want to ban knives too?


Knives kill more people every single year than all rifle types......so they kill way more people than AR-15 rifles in particular.....so, according to you, we need to ban knives...right?

Knives are deadlier each year than these rifles.......do you want to ban all knives?

A rental Truck in Nice, France, Driven by a muslim terrorist was used to murder 86 people, more people than in any of our mass public shootings, and he injured 435 others.....do you want to ban them too?

Rifles are used to kill fewer people than knives, clubs and even bare hands.....





For 2017.....with now more than 17.25 million Americans carrying guns for self defense....10,982

Rifles...still kill fewer people each year than knives... 403

Knives.....1,591

Hands and feet......696

Clubs.....467

All of those numbers are dwarfed by the number of Americans who are slaughtered in Planned Parenthood clinics and other abortuaries across the Fruited Plain. And these folks are saluted and financed by the Deep State. Kermit Gosnell, who is in a Pennsylvania penitentiary today, would be a hero in New York today for his advances in post-birth abortions. Gosnell received many liberal awards over his career.

Yep........the democrat party is the party of madness, racism, hate, misogyny...............they need to be voted out of power at every level...

You voted for Trump. You can't get any dumber than that.

Please, quit this shit you assfucks ate doing but taking Trump's fault & applying them to Democrts. It just makes you look dumber than you already are.

And you didn't respond to the actual post....do you want to ban cars or not? If you want to ban rifles because they kill far less than 400 people a year, then cars killing over 38,000 people a year must drive you nuts...

Ban them...right?

Cars serve a purpose other than killing. Guns, not so much.

Lol
No one has the right to a vehicle ownership you fucking retard

 

[Rustic]

Yep........the democrat party is the party of madness, racism, hate, misogyny...............they need to be voted out of power at every level...

You voted for Trump. You can't get any dumber than that. Oh fuick you. YTou can't posdsibly be thkis fucking stupid.
Please, quit this shit you assfucks ate doing but taking Trump's fault & applying them to Democrts. It just makes you look dumber than you already are.

The democrat party wants to kill living babies, supports anti-semitism, supports misogyny, racism and hate.....not Trump......you belong to them, you are a vile human.

You are either lying or too God damn stupid top know about the bills you are misrepresenting. Which is it?

They do not support anti-Seminism.

You assfucks elected the misogynist, bigot & racist with Trump. So shove you bullshit.

You just described the democrat party, not Trump. The only reason you guys call Trump a racist is he ran for President......he was more than welcome among all the race huslters in the democrat party before he did that...Oprah loved him, Will Smith had him on the Fresh Prince show, all the rappers loved him...

You are part of the worst political party in American history, filled with madness, violence, hate, racism and misogyny......

So, you are really this fucking stupid.

Lol
You’re fucking stupid to look at everything through race and gender… Political correctness has made you into a fucking retard

 

[Rustic]

Cars killed 38,659 people in 2017.

Guns used in murder killed 10,982

According to your logic, we need to ban cars......now.

Do I unerstand this correctly?
You want to give Muslim immigrants the right to own and carry guns?
That's smart.

If they are U.S. citizens they can already own, buy and carry guns.....I see them from time to time at the gun store already......any citizen of the U.S. is covered by our Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment.

Your founding fathers could not anticipate the problems you will experience from the present islamic development.
At least you have guns yourselves. Which leaves you less fucked up than us in Europe.

Lol
Says a fucking control freak

 

[Polishprince]

Evidently, not enough.

People kill people not firearms… Firearms have nothing to do with violence

A tool with no other purpose but to kill

Firearms have no control over people

Guns don’t kill people
People kill people

What's wrong. Again: In Germany die about 50 people a year because of firearms. In the USA it are more than 30,000 every year. That's 15,000% more (calculated on the same level of population): 15,000%!!! 150 times more often!!!

They just prefer to use guns

I'm by the way very impressed from the two policemen who had arrrested this damned bloody asshole. They did a great job. And the best: They got him alive. That's very good. This will help lots of psychologist and forensic experts to find out what's really going on in the life and brain of such a ruthless mass-murderer, who kills people who never had done him on his own something bad in his life, but murders only on reason of totally perverted ideas and stupid political propaganda, which others dissiminate. We have to understand how someone is able to lose totally the control about the own essential life and acts like an empty minded killer machine.

Most deaths due to firearms in America are due to Suicide, not homicide. If people intent on offing themselves don't have guns, they just jump off of tall buildings or immolate themselves instead. What the hell difference does it make?

 

[Rustic]

Here....

Keep in mind almost all mass public shootings take place in government mandated gun free zones for law abiding citizens...so they don't have their legal guns with them most of the time....but when they do?

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

How many armed people stood outside at Parkland.

Your statistics are bullshit.

Mass shootings at bars, churches/mosques, businesses.

You do know that people with legal carry permits are not allowed to carry on the grounds of any school don't you?

So if there were a bunch of people who were armed at the school they would all be breaking the law and since the vast majority of gun owners are all law abiding , they were not at the school with guns.

So they could carry an assault type rifle to within 100 feet or less of an entrance and be perfectly legal.

Are you really this stupid? What part of the gun free zone laws currently in place stop this from happening already? And all of the mass school shootings we have had could have been carried out with 6 shot revolvers......you moron....

The only thing that keeps these shooters away is getting rid of gun free zones...

We know this, this is a fact.....these shooters, including the Sandy Hook shooter choose their locations because they want gun free zones.....their notes, their statements tell us this....you guys don't want to stop the killing, you just want to ban guns for law abiding gun owners....you are sick.

Not once ever has a mass shooter even mentioned "gun free zones". Adam Lantz was so fucked up on drugs and his mental issues I doubt the idea of "gun free zones" even crossed his mind. The Parkland shooter knew there was a guard with a gun on duty at the school and that didn't stop him, or even slow him down.

All of your posts about gun control are filled with distortions, lies and facts not in evidence. The murder rate in Canada isn't going up, it's going down. Every few years there's spike, like last year, but the police do a mass raid and arrest everyone with gun and get them off the street, and the murder rate goes down again. The fewer guns on the street, the fewer murders.

Facts, asshole. Cold hard facts.

Basically almost all of violence in this country is done in progressive controlled urban areas, With over the top strict gun control laws and politically correct assholes.

Political correctness encourages violence

 

[Rustic]

Not once ever has a mass shooter even mentioned "gun free zones". Adam Lantz was so fucked up on drugs and his mental issues I doubt the idea of "gun free zones" even crossed his mind. The Parkland shooter knew there was a guard with a gun on duty at the school and that didn't stop him, or even slow him down.

All of your posts about gun control are filled with distortions, lies and facts not in evidence. The murder rate in Canada isn't going up, it's going down. Every few years there's spike, like last year, but the police do a mass raid and arrest everyone with gun and get them off the street, and the murder rate goes down again. The fewer guns on the street, the fewer murders.

Facts, asshole. Cold hard facts.

Keep in mind, 2AGuy is compensating for his "Shortcomings".

Lol
Says someone who sits in his mother’s basement all day long trying to control people he disagrees with.

 

[Rustic]

People kill people not firearms… Firearms have nothing to do with violence

A tool with no other purpose but to kill

Firearms have no control over people

Guns don’t kill people
People kill people

What's wrong. Again: In Germany die about 50 people a year because of firearms. In the USA it are more than 30,000 every year. That's 15,000% more (calculated on the same level of population): 15,000%!!! 150 times more often!!!

They just prefer to use guns

I'm by the way very impressed from the two policemen who had arrrested this damned bloody asshole. They did a great job. And the best: They got him alive. That's very good. This will help lots of psychologist and forensic experts to find out what's really going on in the life and brain of such a ruthless mass-murderer, who kills people who never had done him on his own something bad in his life, but murders only on reason of totally perverted ideas and stupid political propaganda, which others dissiminate. We have to understand how someone is able to lose totally the control about the own essential life and acts like an empty minded killer machine.

Most deaths due to firearms in America are due to Suicide, not homicide. If people intent on offing themselves don't have guns, they just jump off of tall buildings or immolate themselves instead. What the hell difference does it make?

Suicide is the most cowardly act anyone can do… And it does take care of itself. Lol