Most Palestinians see fresh peace talks as error

[P F Tinmore]

I forgot to mention, you also never backed up your statement that "Israel did not win the 1948 war"

I provided a link, and you provided a song and dance

Preamble

The Parties to the present Agreement, responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948 calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an Armistice; having decided to enter into negotiations under United Nations Chairmanship concerning the implementation of the Security Council resolutions of 4 and 16 November 1948; (2) and having appointed representatives empowered to negotiate and conclude an Armistice Agreement;

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. An armistice has no winners or losers.

In addition:

The borders for Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine remained unchanged from before the war. None of them lost any land.

So, what did Israel win. When the war ended Israel occupied 78% of Palestine.

When you say Palestine, are you talkingt about the Arab STATE PAlestine, during the time period we are discussing ?

Not a relevant question.

Article 2

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Pages/Language.aspx?LangID=eng

 

[toastman]

An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. An armistice has no winners or losers.

In addition:

The borders for Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine remained unchanged from before the war. None of them lost any land.

So, what did Israel win. When the war ended Israel occupied 78% of Palestine.

When you say Palestine, are you talkingt about the Arab STATE PAlestine, during the time period we are discussing ?

Not a relevant question.

Article 2

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Pages/Language.aspx?LangID=eng

Once again, you post something that is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing.

You have yet to back up any of the following claims:

1)Israel did not win the 1948 Arab - Israeli War
2) Israel has no land
3)Israel occupied 78% of Palestine after the war (I don't even know where to begin with that one)


Have you ever read an online article about the 1948 war?

 

[P F Tinmore]

When you say Palestine, are you talkingt about the Arab STATE PAlestine, during the time period we are discussing ?

Not a relevant question.

Article 2

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Pages/Language.aspx?LangID=eng

Once again, you post something that is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing.

You have yet to back up any of the following claims:

1)Israel did not win the 1948 Arab - Israeli War
2) Israel has no land
3)Israel occupied 78% of Palestine after the war (I don't even know where to begin with that one)


Have you ever read an online article about the 1948 war?

I have. It does not refute anything that I have posted.

 

[toastman]

Not a relevant question.

Once again, you post something that is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing.

You have yet to back up any of the following claims:

1)Israel did not win the 1948 Arab - Israeli War
2) Israel has no land
3)Israel occupied 78% of Palestine after the war (I don't even know where to begin with that one)


Have you ever read an online article about the 1948 war?

I have. It does not refute anything that I have posted.

No you havent . Stop lying .

Have you ever read an article or something about the 1948 war ??

 

[P F Tinmore]

Once again, you post something that is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing.

You have yet to back up any of the following claims:

1)Israel did not win the 1948 Arab - Israeli War
2) Israel has no land
3)Israel occupied 78% of Palestine after the war (I don't even know where to begin with that one)


Have you ever read an online article about the 1948 war?

I have. It does not refute anything that I have posted.

No you havent . Stop lying .

Have you ever read an article or something about the 1948 war ??

I have read a lot about the 1948 war.

Why don't you post some quotes from some documents to support your points?

 

[toastman]

I have. It does not refute anything that I have posted.

No you havent . Stop lying .

Have you ever read an article or something about the 1948 war ??

I have read a lot about the 1948 war.

Why don't you post some quotes from some documents to support your points?

Please show me the link you are reading about the 1948 war.

And what points of mine are you talking about ? You haven't even proved yous to begin with, and you know it.

 

[Billo_Really]

Don't they just say the most hilarious things when backed into a corner?

What's even funnier, is I can prove what I say, you can't!

The Six-Day War...also known as the June War, 1967 Arab-Israeli War, or Third Arab-Israeli War, was fought between June 5 and 10, 1967, by Israel and the neighboring states of Egypt (known at the time as the United Arab Republic), Jordan, and Syria. The war began on June 5 with Israel launching surprise bombing raids against Egyptian air-fields.

Now write that down for future reference. This about the 3rd time I've had to school you fuckers on this subject and I'm getting tired of repeating myself.

You need to grow a pair and accept the horror, you started this war. For once, why don't you break from Zionist tradition and take responsibility for something you did, instead of jumping through hoops to blame others for your actions.

 

[toastman]

Don't they just say the most hilarious things when backed into a corner?

What's even funnier, is I can prove what I say, you can't!

The Six-Day War...also known as the June War, 1967 Arab-Israeli War, or Third Arab-Israeli War, was fought between June 5 and 10, 1967, by Israel and the neighboring states of Egypt (known at the time as the United Arab Republic), Jordan, and Syria. The war began on June 5 with Israel launching surprise bombing raids against Egyptian air-fields.

Now write that down for future reference. This about the 3rd time I've had to school you fuckers on this subject and I'm getting tired of repeating myself.

You need to grow a pair and accept the horror, you started this war. For once, why don't you break from Zionist tradition and take responsibility for something you did, instead of jumping through hoops to blame others for your actions.

You're such a fool, you know that ? You schooled no one .

Please tell us, what led Israel to pre - emptively striking Egypt , a point you Arab supporters just love to leave out !
Did they just wake up one morning and say "Hey, lets go bomb Egypt for no reason"

 

[toastman]

BTW Loinboy, I'm still laughing at what you said: "School you fuckers" hahaha

I didn't know being wrong was considered schooling someone, but hey, I learn something new from you idiots every day here !

 

[P F Tinmore]

No you havent . Stop lying .

Have you ever read an article or something about the 1948 war ??

I have read a lot about the 1948 war.

Why don't you post some quotes from some documents to support your points?

Please show me the link you are reading about the 1948 war.

And what points of mine are you talking about ? You haven't even proved yous to begin with, and you know it.

 

[toastman]

 

[Billo_Really]

You're such a fool, you know that ? You schooled no one .

Please tell us, what led Israel to pre - emptively striking Egypt , a point you Arab supporters just love to leave out !
Did they just wake up one morning and say "Hey, lets go bomb Egypt for no reason"

The Bush Doctrine is illegal.

Israel pulled the trigger first.

Have some balls, snowback and stop blaming others for the things Israel does.

 

[toastman]

You're such a fool, you know that ? You schooled no one .

Please tell us, what led Israel to pre - emptively striking Egypt , a point you Arab supporters just love to leave out !
Did they just wake up one morning and say "Hey, lets go bomb Egypt for no reason"

The Bush Doctrine is illegal.

Israel pulled the trigger first.

Have some balls, snowback and stop blaming others for the things Israel does.

\what Israel does? What's wrong with what Israel did that day in 1967, please tell me ? What wrong with pre - emptively striking your enemies before they hit you?

Also, you didn't answer my question. So I'll ask it again.
Why did Israel pre - emptively strike Egypt ?

 

[Billo_Really]

\what Israel does? What's wrong with what Israel did that day in 1967, please tell me ? What wrong with pre - emptively striking your enemies before they hit you?

Also, you didn't answer my question. So I'll ask it again.
Why did Israel pre - emptively strike Egypt ?

You don't know how wrong it is, to hit someone that hadn't hit you first?

If you'd like to know how wrong it is, put your keyboard down, get up, walk out your front door, go up to the first person you see and punch them right in the mouth. Then come back and tell us what happened next. I guarantee, when you return, you will know how wrong that act was.

 

[toastman]

\what Israel does? What's wrong with what Israel did that day in 1967, please tell me ? What wrong with pre - emptively striking your enemies before they hit you?

Also, you didn't answer my question. So I'll ask it again.
Why did Israel pre - emptively strike Egypt ?

You don't know how wrong it is, to hit someone that hadn't hit you first?

If you'd like to know how wrong it is, put your keyboard down, get up, walk out your front door, go up to the first person you see and punch them right in the mouth. Then come back and tell us what happened next. I guarantee, when you return, you will know how wrong that act was.

What a terrible and weak argument/comparison

If 3 people (Arab states) mass along your borders with tanks, troops while threatening to eliminate you, do you stand still or attack first ? You know fell well the Arabs were on their way to attacking Israel.

Thank God Israel had the balls to pre - emptively strike Egypt before they could do any harm

And you STILL haven't answered my question

 

[theliq]

\what Israel does? What's wrong with what Israel did that day in 1967, please tell me ? What wrong with pre - emptively striking your enemies before they hit you?

Also, you didn't answer my question. So I'll ask it again.
Why did Israel pre - emptively strike Egypt ?

You don't know how wrong it is, to hit someone that hadn't hit you first?

If you'd like to know how wrong it is, put your keyboard down, get up, walk out your front door, go up to the first person you see and punch them right in the mouth. Then come back and tell us what happened next. I guarantee, when you return, you will know how wrong that act was.

What a terrible and weak argument/comparison

If 3 people (Arab states) mass along your borders with tanks, troops while threatening to eliminate you, do you stand still or attack first ? You know fell well the Arabs were on their way to attacking Israel.

Thank God Israel had the balls to pre - emptively strike Egypt before they could do any harm

And you STILL haven't answered my question

Don't be such an IDIOT, Israel have Nuclear Weaponary,and would use it. Such pro Israel IDIOTS like this CRETIN.....thinks everyone is stupidyou fool

 

[toastman]

You don't know how wrong it is, to hit someone that hadn't hit you first?

If you'd like to know how wrong it is, put your keyboard down, get up, walk out your front door, go up to the first person you see and punch them right in the mouth. Then come back and tell us what happened next. I guarantee, when you return, you will know how wrong that act was.

What a terrible and weak argument/comparison

If 3 people (Arab states) mass along your borders with tanks, troops while threatening to eliminate you, do you stand still or attack first ? You know fell well the Arabs were on their way to attacking Israel.

Thank God Israel had the balls to pre - emptively strike Egypt before they could do any harm

And you STILL haven't answered my question

Don't be such an IDIOT, Israel have Nuclear Weaponary,and would use it. Such pro Israel IDIOTS like this CRETIN.....thinks everyone is stupidyou fool

Nuclear Weapons ? Wtf does that have do with what we're discussing

And if they would use them, why haven't they yet ?

My goodness, it seems like the amount of idiotic and useless comments from pro - Palis is piling up the last few weeks

 

[theliq]

What a terrible and weak argument/comparison

If 3 people (Arab states) mass along your borders with tanks, troops while threatening to eliminate you, do you stand still or attack first ? You know fell well the Arabs were on their way to attacking Israel.

Thank God Israel had the balls to pre - emptively strike Egypt before they could do any harm

And you STILL haven't answered my question

Don't be such an IDIOT, Israel have Nuclear Weaponary,and would use it. Such pro Israel IDIOTS like this CRETIN.....thinks everyone is stupidyou fool

Nuclear Weapons ? Wtf does that have do with what we're discussing

And if they would use them, why haven't they yet ?

My goodness, it seems like the amount of idiotic and useless comments from pro - Palis is piling up the last few weeks

Good Toasty.....you have admitted that Israel have Nuclear......lets send in the NC Weapon Inspectors............but Israel scream they don't have them.....We know better but it's interesting dealing with compulsive LIARS,for LAIRS THEY ARE...COMPLETELY

 

[Kondor3]

Yes, Toastman, some of these Arab Lovers conveniently omit the fact that the Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians and Iraqis - backed by a lot of other Arab states - had amassed a quarter of a million men, including large-scale armored formations, air assets, etc., all along Israel's borders, poised to strike within a matter of days.

Israel's "starting it" consisted of brilliant, big-balls airstrikes against Arab air forces and newly-created and manned border-area ground positions before the Arabs could swarm-in and overwhelm the Israelis.

These Arab Lovers want the audience to believe that Israel's "preemptive strike" was against Arab war-assets that were in stand-down mode and parked well within Arab state interior bases and nowhere near the borders of Israel, in atypical fashion, poised to strike.

And they love trying to pitch it that way, for a new generation who haven't read-up on the war and can't be bothered to look it up on their own and who are gullible enough to believe them.

The Israeli "preemptive" strike of 1967 against Arab war-assets, which kicked off the 1967 Six-Day War, was NOT a 'Bush Doctrine' style preemptive assault against another country whose forces were in a stand-down mode; rather, the Israeli "preemptive" strike of 1967 was against massed Arab military formations that had just been moved along Israel's borders and which were poised to strike Israel within the next several days.

The Israelis merely took some of them out while already and atypically poised to strike Israel, before they could overwhelm the Israelis and slaughter them.

A brilliant strategic and tactical move that led to an overwhelming Israeli victory over long odds, which caused the Jordanians to lose the West Bank and Jerusalem.

Dumb Arabs 'dun' got their asses kicked good and proper, again, by itty-bitty Israel.

Continuing the Arab tradition of being the military laughing-stock of the non-Muslim world.

 

[Lipush]

You don't know how wrong it is, to hit someone that hadn't hit you first?

If you'd like to know how wrong it is, put your keyboard down, get up, walk out your front door, go up to the first person you see and punch them right in the mouth. Then come back and tell us what happened next. I guarantee, when you return, you will know how wrong that act was.

What a terrible and weak argument/comparison

If 3 people (Arab states) mass along your borders with tanks, troops while threatening to eliminate you, do you stand still or attack first ? You know fell well the Arabs were on their way to attacking Israel.

Thank God Israel had the balls to pre - emptively strike Egypt before they could do any harm

And you STILL haven't answered my question

Don't be such an IDIOT, Israel have Nuclear Weaponary,and would use it. Such pro Israel IDIOTS like this CRETIN.....thinks everyone is stupidyou fool

Yeah, but our Nuclear Weaponary only works on old ugly-bearded Persians.

But you won't tell on us, right?