Murder Up 20% in NYC in 2015

[rightwinger]

Do they take out 9/11 when they calculate the NYC murder rate under Giuliani?

Looked like murder to me

 

[Correll]

Another lib who doesn't believe in math. Or demographics.

If blacks kill 5000 people and whites kill 5000 people annually , then why is black crime the more urgent problem?

First of all, because the whites don't kill 50%. You neglected to consider ALL other ethnic groups, such as Hispanics, which while often counted as racial white for FBI crime stats, are a different ethnic and cultural group.

Second of all, blacks, because their murder rates are so high as to seen inflated by something, thus effort there should be able to get faster results than lowering the already low white murder rate.

Oh, so it's the dirty Mexicans doing the murdering and not the whites. I see.
Bullshit. Show me the "already low white murder rate". The murder rate for blacks and whites is nearly the same. Only a point or two difference. Those murdered by whites are just as dead as those murdered by blacks. There is no reason for blaming blacks for rising crime rates other than the perception that blacks are more criminal than whites. That simply isn't true. Whites commit more of every crime than any other race.

FBI Table 43

1. Murder rates? NO, the table you connect to shows absolute numbers NOT adjusted for population sizes. This is you not understanding math. Black are 12% fo the population and kill more people that whites at 63% of the population. That is huge.

2. Hispanic murders are lumped in with whites. As they are 17% of the population, and tend to have far higher rates of gang and criminal activity, they are certainly pumping up the "white murder numbers".

Forget population size THEY KILL THE SAME NUMBERS!!!!!
Six of one or half a dozen. It's all in how you see it.
Your bias is allowing you to discount white crime by putting it on minorities.
Look at the stats for every other crime. Whites far outpace the other races. Is that all Mexicans too?
Just given the overall number of crimes committed by whites, we should stop and frisky every white guy.

Um, no. lets not forget population size.

Population size is very important to the topic.

The reason you want to forget it, is to hide the truth, ie that there is a big problem with black crime.

You are the one that wants to discount some crime, black crime.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Bullshit. Show me the "already low white murder rate". The murder rate for blacks and whites is nearly the same. Only a point or two difference.

All that data shows is that whites and blacks commit roughly the same number of homicides. Per capita, blacks commit homicide at a much higher rate than whites.

Hutch and Delta refuse to think about the importance of comparing Murder RATES, and like to compare absolute numbers so they can deny there is a big problem with black crime.

They are very serious about this, and will refuse to hear your words when it comes to the math of rates per percentage of population.

It's important that you are clear on the difference between murder and crime rates. The murder rate is the same. Crime rates are higher for whites.

Moron. If backs and whites commit an equal amount of murders a year then why is black murder a bigger issue just because a higher number of blacks commit the murders?
It is an equal problem for society.

Now speak to all of the other crimes on the link.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

If blacks kill 5000 people and whites kill 5000 people annually , then why is black crime the more urgent problem?

First of all, because the whites don't kill 50%. You neglected to consider ALL other ethnic groups, such as Hispanics, which while often counted as racial white for FBI crime stats, are a different ethnic and cultural group.

Second of all, blacks, because their murder rates are so high as to seen inflated by something, thus effort there should be able to get faster results than lowering the already low white murder rate.

Oh, so it's the dirty Mexicans doing the murdering and not the whites. I see.
Bullshit. Show me the "already low white murder rate". The murder rate for blacks and whites is nearly the same. Only a point or two difference. Those murdered by whites are just as dead as those murdered by blacks. There is no reason for blaming blacks for rising crime rates other than the perception that blacks are more criminal than whites. That simply isn't true. Whites commit more of every crime than any other race.

FBI Table 43

1. Murder rates? NO, the table you connect to shows absolute numbers NOT adjusted for population sizes. This is you not understanding math. Black are 12% fo the population and kill more people that whites at 63% of the population. That is huge.

2. Hispanic murders are lumped in with whites. As they are 17% of the population, and tend to have far higher rates of gang and criminal activity, they are certainly pumping up the "white murder numbers".

Forget population size THEY KILL THE SAME NUMBERS!!!!!
Six of one or half a dozen. It's all in how you see it.
Your bias is allowing you to discount white crime by putting it on minorities.
Look at the stats for every other crime. Whites far outpace the other races. Is that all Mexicans too?
Just given the overall number of crimes committed by whites, we should stop and frisky every white guy.

Um, no. lets not forget population size.

Population size is very important to the topic.

The reason you want to forget it, is to hide the truth, ie that there is a big problem with black crime.

You are the one that wants to discount some crime, black crime.

You are dense. Whites filled just as many graves but we need to focus on blacks?
Biased logic at best.

 

[Meathead]

Bullshit. Show me the "already low white murder rate". The murder rate for blacks and whites is nearly the same. Only a point or two difference.

All that data shows is that whites and blacks commit roughly the same number of homicides. Per capita, blacks commit homicide at a much higher rate than whites.

Yes but 5000 killed by blacks and 5000 killed by whites is an equal problem with murder for society.
Look at all of the other crimes on the link.
Whites commit twice as many rapes as blacks. We don't label whites as rapists.

Good read for those who care
White People Commit the Most Heinous Crimes So Why Is America Terrified of Black Men Alternet

Sorry, you and your dingbat site don't hold up against something definitive:

FBI Table 43

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Bullshit. Show me the "already low white murder rate". The murder rate for blacks and whites is nearly the same. Only a point or two difference.

All that data shows is that whites and blacks commit roughly the same number of homicides. Per capita, blacks commit homicide at a much higher rate than whites.

Yes but 5000 killed by blacks and 5000 killed by whites is an equal problem with murder for society.
Look at all of the other crimes on the link.
Whites commit twice as many rapes as blacks. We don't label whites as rapists.

Good read for those who care
White People Commit the Most Heinous Crimes So Why Is America Terrified of Black Men Alternet

Sorry, you and your dingbat site don't hold up against something definitive:

FBI Table 43

You mean my link moron?
I posted that table now speak to it.

 

[Meathead]

It's like saying that whites support Obama more than blacks because more whites voted for him.

This is silly, much like your Alternet link. Blacks are far more dangerous, especially to each other. About 13% of the population are responsible for about half of the violent crime. That much is undeniable.

 

[Correll]

Bullshit. Show me the "already low white murder rate". The murder rate for blacks and whites is nearly the same. Only a point or two difference.

All that data shows is that whites and blacks commit roughly the same number of homicides. Per capita, blacks commit homicide at a much higher rate than whites.

Hutch and Delta refuse to think about the importance of comparing Murder RATES, and like to compare absolute numbers so they can deny there is a big problem with black crime.

They are very serious about this, and will refuse to hear your words when it comes to the math of rates per percentage of population.

It's important that you are clear on the difference between murder and crime rates. The murder rate is the same. Crime rates are higher for whites.

Moron. If backs and whites commit an equal amount of murders a year then why is black murder a bigger issue just because a higher number of blacks commit the murders?
It is an equal problem for society.

Now speak to all of the other crimes on the link.

If you have the same size problem in a smaller community, that problem is a bigger problem for that community.

And the much higher rates of black crime do spill out onto the rest of us also, of course.

Other crimes? Same thing. YOu keep wanting to "forget about population size".

But you can't and still be talking about anything connected to the real world.

 

[Correll]

It's like saying that whites support Obama more than blacks because more whites voted for him.

This is silly, much like your Alternet link. Blacks are far more dangerous, especially to each other. About 13% of the population are responsible for about half of the violent crime. That much is undeniable.

oooh, good one.

 

[Claudette]

Do they take out 9/11 when they calculate the NYC murder rate under Giuliani?

You're an idiot.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Bullshit. Show me the "already low white murder rate". The murder rate for blacks and whites is nearly the same. Only a point or two difference.

All that data shows is that whites and blacks commit roughly the same number of homicides. Per capita, blacks commit homicide at a much higher rate than whites.

Hutch and Delta refuse to think about the importance of comparing Murder RATES, and like to compare absolute numbers so they can deny there is a big problem with black crime.

They are very serious about this, and will refuse to hear your words when it comes to the math of rates per percentage of population.

It's important that you are clear on the difference between murder and crime rates. The murder rate is the same. Crime rates are higher for whites.

Moron. If backs and whites commit an equal amount of murders a year then why is black murder a bigger issue just because a higher number of blacks commit the murders?
It is an equal problem for society.

Now speak to all of the other crimes on the link.

If you have the same size problem in a smaller community, that problem is a bigger problem for that community.

And the much higher rates of black crime do spill out onto the rest of us also, of course.

Other crimes? Same thing. YOu keep wanting to "forget about population size".

But you can't and still be talking about anything connected to the real world.

Crime rates vary by location, sure. It doesn't change the over all rates of crime.
Whites commit rape more than twice as often as blacks and most other crimes at a higher rate and you want to talk about " black crime" and population size.
White crime is obviously a larger problem in America.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It's like saying that whites support Obama more than blacks because more whites voted for him.

This is silly, much like your Alternet link. Blacks are far more dangerous, especially to each other. About 13% of the population are responsible for about half of the violent crime. That much is undeniable.

oooh, good one.

Good one if you omit the other 50%.
You addressed only half of the problem.

 

[AceRothstein]

Bullshit. Show me the "already low white murder rate". The murder rate for blacks and whites is nearly the same. Only a point or two difference.

All that data shows is that whites and blacks commit roughly the same number of homicides. Per capita, blacks commit homicide at a much higher rate than whites.

Yes but 5000 killed by blacks and 5000 killed by whites is an equal problem with murder for society.
Look at all of the other crimes on the link.
Whites commit twice as many rapes as blacks. We don't label whites as rapists.

Good read for those who care
White People Commit the Most Heinous Crimes So Why Is America Terrified of Black Men Alternet

Again, your numbers mean nothing. You have to look at these things per capita.

 

[Correll]

Bullshit. Show me the "already low white murder rate". The murder rate for blacks and whites is nearly the same. Only a point or two difference.

All that data shows is that whites and blacks commit roughly the same number of homicides. Per capita, blacks commit homicide at a much higher rate than whites.

Hutch and Delta refuse to think about the importance of comparing Murder RATES, and like to compare absolute numbers so they can deny there is a big problem with black crime.

They are very serious about this, and will refuse to hear your words when it comes to the math of rates per percentage of population.

It's important that you are clear on the difference between murder and crime rates. The murder rate is the same. Crime rates are higher for whites.

Moron. If backs and whites commit an equal amount of murders a year then why is black murder a bigger issue just because a higher number of blacks commit the murders?
It is an equal problem for society.

Now speak to all of the other crimes on the link.

If you have the same size problem in a smaller community, that problem is a bigger problem for that community.

And the much higher rates of black crime do spill out onto the rest of us also, of course.

Other crimes? Same thing. YOu keep wanting to "forget about population size".

But you can't and still be talking about anything connected to the real world.

Crime rates vary by location, sure. It doesn't change the over all rates of crime.
Whites commit rape more than twice as often as blacks and most other crimes at a higher rate and you want to talk about " black crime" and population size.
White crime is obviously a larger problem in America.

Why do you think blacks commit crime at such a higher proportional rate than whites?

 

[Correll]

It's like saying that whites support Obama more than blacks because more whites voted for him.

This is silly, much like your Alternet link. Blacks are far more dangerous, especially to each other. About 13% of the population are responsible for about half of the violent crime. That much is undeniable.

oooh, good one.

Good one if you omit the other 50%.
You addressed only half of the problem.

Tell me, why do blacks not support Obama as much as whites?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Bullshit. Show me the "already low white murder rate". The murder rate for blacks and whites is nearly the same. Only a point or two difference.

All that data shows is that whites and blacks commit roughly the same number of homicides. Per capita, blacks commit homicide at a much higher rate than whites.

Yes but 5000 killed by blacks and 5000 killed by whites is an equal problem with murder for society.
Look at all of the other crimes on the link.
Whites commit twice as many rapes as blacks. We don't label whites as rapists.

Good read for those who care
White People Commit the Most Heinous Crimes So Why Is America Terrified of Black Men Alternet

Again, your numbers mean nothing. You have to look at these things per capita.

Why? It only allows you to say that blacks commit crimes in larger numbers than whites. It doesn't say the truth which is that whites commit more crimes.

None of you will address that outside of the per capita angle.
Talk about the rape epidemic among whites.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

All that data shows is that whites and blacks commit roughly the same number of homicides. Per capita, blacks commit homicide at a much higher rate than whites.

Hutch and Delta refuse to think about the importance of comparing Murder RATES, and like to compare absolute numbers so they can deny there is a big problem with black crime.

They are very serious about this, and will refuse to hear your words when it comes to the math of rates per percentage of population.

It's important that you are clear on the difference between murder and crime rates. The murder rate is the same. Crime rates are higher for whites.

Moron. If backs and whites commit an equal amount of murders a year then why is black murder a bigger issue just because a higher number of blacks commit the murders?
It is an equal problem for society.

Now speak to all of the other crimes on the link.

If you have the same size problem in a smaller community, that problem is a bigger problem for that community.

And the much higher rates of black crime do spill out onto the rest of us also, of course.

Other crimes? Same thing. YOu keep wanting to "forget about population size".

But you can't and still be talking about anything connected to the real world.

Crime rates vary by location, sure. It doesn't change the over all rates of crime.
Whites commit rape more than twice as often as blacks and most other crimes at a higher rate and you want to talk about " black crime" and population size.
White crime is obviously a larger problem in America.

Why do you think blacks commit crime at such a higher proportional rate than whites?

A variety of reasons. Why do you think America has a problem with black crime when whites commit more crimes overall?

 

[Meathead]

Bullshit. Show me the "already low white murder rate". The murder rate for blacks and whites is nearly the same. Only a point or two difference.

All that data shows is that whites and blacks commit roughly the same number of homicides. Per capita, blacks commit homicide at a much higher rate than whites.

Yes but 5000 killed by blacks and 5000 killed by whites is an equal problem with murder for society.
Look at all of the other crimes on the link.
Whites commit twice as many rapes as blacks. We don't label whites as rapists.

Good read for those who care
White People Commit the Most Heinous Crimes So Why Is America Terrified of Black Men Alternet

Again, your numbers mean nothing. You have to look at these things per capita.

Why? It only allows you to say that blacks commit crimes in larger numbers than whites. It doesn't say the truth which is that whites commit more crimes.

None of you will address that outside of the per capita angle.
Talk about the rape epidemic among whites.

WTF would anyone iignore per capita? Blacks rape at over 2.5 times more than their share of the the population ( 33% of rapes). I think white collar are the only crimes where they only commit their proportional share.

Sorry, your argument as patently hollow as it is stupid.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It's like saying that whites support Obama more than blacks because more whites voted for him.

This is silly, much like your Alternet link. Blacks are far more dangerous, especially to each other. About 13% of the population are responsible for about half of the violent crime. That much is undeniable.

38% moron. Whites commit 58%
Look at your own link dumbass.

Somehow black crime is worse for America then white crime. Go figure.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Bullshit. Show me the "already low white murder rate". The murder rate for blacks and whites is nearly the same. Only a point or two difference.

All that data shows is that whites and blacks commit roughly the same number of homicides. Per capita, blacks commit homicide at a much higher rate than whites.

Yes but 5000 killed by blacks and 5000 killed by whites is an equal problem with murder for society.
Look at all of the other crimes on the link.
Whites commit twice as many rapes as blacks. We don't label whites as rapists.

Good read for those who care
White People Commit the Most Heinous Crimes So Why Is America Terrified of Black Men Alternet

Again, your numbers mean nothing. You have to look at these things per capita.

Why? It only allows you to say that blacks commit crimes in larger numbers than whites. It doesn't say the truth which is that whites commit more crimes.

None of you will address that outside of the per capita angle.
Talk about the rape epidemic among whites.

WTF would anyone iignore per capita? Blacks rape at over 2.5 times more than their share of the the population ( 33% of rapes). I think white collar are the only crimes where they only commit their proportional share.

Sorry, your argument as patently hollow as it is stupid.

Nice way to spin it moron. Whites rape twice as many as blacks.
Look at your own link moron.