Muslims would NEVER burn the Bible

[logical4u]

Read what I wrote! I don't bash Christianity or Islam. I agree they both have had real problems with terrorism in the name of religion. That is the truth, logical4u, not bashing. The deceitful one is you, along with your buds. I have asked for quantification, which none of you podjos can do.

You are deceitful when you won't admit that you want to kick Muslim citizens out of America. Along with any American Muslims we can deport, can we also deport Klansman who claim to be Christian?

Your real agenda is hate, logical4u.

List "one" hateful thing that I posted (not a disagreement).

 

[logical4u]

Hey. I didn't avoid your challenge. Read the links. Sheesh.

didn't list the terrorist organizations side by side, ditto for the charitiable
looks like you didn't want to post the results, so you selectively presented information to make it look like there are more terrorists that are Christian and more charities that are muslim. I find that deceitful and cowardly. We get it, to much reality for you.

You are resorting to the fallacy of mindreading. My intention was not to make it look like there are more terrorists that are Christian and more charities that are Muslim. As I stated previously, I am not going to get into a “bean counting” game with you. For the sake of argument, I concede that, per capita, I think that there are more terrorists that are Muslim than there are terrorists that are Christian. I think that there are more Christian charities than there are Muslim charities. My intention was to simply point out that there is Christian terrorism and that there are Muslim charities. Having stated that, are you willing to concede that there are at least a few terroristic Christians and that there are a few Muslin charities?

I am not being deceitful and cowardly. I’m pointing out some things that you seem to be unwilling to acknowledge.

I have NO KNOWLEDGE of a Christian screeching "This is for my G*d" or "This is for Jesus Christ" as they committed a crime. Do you know of that situation?

 

[mattskramer]

You either lie or you don't understand what you read. Don't play games with me notlogical4u, because you will lose every time.

I said religious terrorism is wrong, whether Christian or Muslim. It is an opinion as a response to an opinion.

I have made no statement "against" Christians or Christianity, other than to say that for more than 1000 years Christianity was engaged in religious terrorism. That is not false.

I have made no statement "for" or "against" Islam.

Christians in Spain and Hungary and elsewhere murdered Communists in the 1920s and 1930s.

What I have said is this: American Christian and American Muslim terrorism is wrong.

This is where you totally got lost. You said Christians in Spain and Hungary and "elsewhere" murdered Communists in the 1920s and 1930s. Where the heck have you been learning your history? Communists declared the dictatorship of the proletariat in Hungary in 1919 and went on a horror show of crimes against humanity in that country that lasted decades! Which is why earlier this year the Hungarian government passed legislation that outlawed revising Hungarian history by the left trying to hide and cover up this horror show that was committed by communists. According to the legislation, those denying, casting doubts on, or depreciating the crimes committed by the Communist regime will be facing from one to three years behind bars. That is hardly supportive of your claim it was "Christians" who went on a murder spree in that country when Hungarians themselves believe it was communists who committed a slew of crimes against THEMSELVES and communists who committed crimes against humanity going back to the 20s! No such comparable legislation outlawing denials that Christians did such things in the name of Christianity -because THAT never happened!

But leaving their history aside, let me address a point you clearly don't get at all. There is a difference between people who commit crimes or violent acts who HAPPEN to be Christians and Christians who commit those same acts in the NAME of their religion. If I oppose communism and happen to be a Christian, that doesn't suddenly turn my political opposition to communism into a religious war! And you are doing nothing but being deceitful by trying to co-mingle them as if someone who happens to be a Christian commits a violent act -say murders his wife -is the same kind of act as a Muslim who blows up a busload of children in the name of Islam!! That is beyond intellectually dishonest and a deliberate act of deceit. All societies have criminals who commit crimes for all sorts of reasons. But not all societies have groups who do it in the name of a religion! A criminal who HAPPENS to be a Christian doesn't suddenly turn him into a "Christian extremist". There is only one group in this day and age that declares and wages religious war and in fact have done so around the world -you would be hard pressed to find even three conflicts taking place right now where Muslim extremism isn't the root cause of the conflict. For Muslim extremists all these different conflicts are just different battlefields in THEIR larger religious war.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "CHRISTIAN EXTREMISTS" and those who claim there is are LIARS. There are NO comparable groups within Christianity to Muslims extremists -and the reason there is no such thing is because Christians themselves REJECT such acts in the name of their religion. Ever heard of the Reformation which PERMANENTLY rejects aggression and violence and murder and forced conversions in the name of Christianity forever and is accepted by every single branch and denomination of Christianity? And any church or group who claim otherwise are IMMEDIATELY rejected as being Christian by all the others. THAT is how the Reformation works and continues to work to this day. Christians will NEVER accept such acts carried out the name of their religion as being anything other than evil! And insist that any who would commit them -whether in the name of Christianity or not -are not only NOT Christian, but belong in prison!

Which is why anyone who ever said they blew up a school bus of children in the name of Christianity would be denounced by the billions of the world's Christians as an evil-doer who belonged in prison -because Christianity itself REJECTS such an act in the name of their religion. Not just among some Christians -but ALL Christians because anyone who believed that was an acceptable act done in the name of Christianity -would never be considered to be Christians either any more than the person who committed that atrocity. While if a Muslim blows up a school bus of children -even Muslim ones such as happened in Iraq -and says he did it in the name of Islam, the world's Muslims react to that act with dead silence. Such acts ARE accepted among Muslims as being "good" as long as the criminal who committed it said he did it for Islam. The acts are not only considered acceptable in the name of their religion, the criminal who committed the mass murders is considered to be a "hero" and often called "martyr" if he committed suicide at the same time. Which means Muslims aren't even capable of understanding that the real martyrs in such acts were those slaughtered by the butcher and NOT the butcher himself! Which means extremism is an ACCEPTED part of the religion by other Muslims where that same act committed by someone saying he did for Christianity would be denounced and rejected by the world's Christians. Pretending there is an equivalent "extremist" segment among Christianity is a LIE because there is no such thing -Christians themselves not only reject it they reject as being Christian anyone who would even claim to have done such an act in the name of Christianity. They are NOT embraced and called "hero" by the world's Christians even if such an act had been done in the name of their religion -which it NEVER is because all Christians understand that can NEVER be anything but an evil act of mass murder. But even if someone were stupid and evil enough to claim to have done such a thing in the name of Christianity, that person would NEVER be called "hero" or "martyr" -only called a "mass murdering thug who belongs behind bars" just like they should be.

Just because one group has political differences with another and the source of the differences for that other group is their religion and their religious beliefs -does NOT suddenly mean that MY differences are suddenly based in MY religious beliefs as well! If I come after you because I'm hoping to claim your land after I kill you and you defend yourself from my attacks and go on the offensive to permanently remove my threat to your existence -doesn't mean that YOU are fighting to try and claim MY land! The motive of one side for waging war does not EVER mean it is also the same motive by those defending themselves from the attackers! It is a religious war for them but a war of self defense for us that we would be engaged in just the same regardless of the motive for the attack by those who attacked us. Their MOTIVE doesn't become OUR motive just because we defend ourselves though.

Your example was flawed and phony because no matter what the revisionist history you subscribe to at the moment, NONE of your examples of "Christian terrorism" are examples of Christian terrorism at all -because none were ever committed in the name of "glorifying" Christianity or the NAME of Christianity. It was NOT Communists vs. Christians in those countries as you would have people believe - but communists vs. non-communists and many who were involved HAPPENED to be Christian. On BOTH SIDES. But that was a political conflict, not a religious one -in addition to which it was actually the non-communists who were overwhelmingly the victims of communist criminal acts rather than the perpetrators of such acts against communists anyway. Just as was true about communists and communism elsewhere in the world. Communists are NOT tolerant of political dissent and would rather kill their opponents than debate them -and all too often did just that.

We are comparing apples to apples. There are segments in Christianity that advocate or engage in terrorism. There are segments in Christianity that oppose such acts. There are segments in Islam that advocate or engage in terrorism. There are segments in the Muslim communities that oppose such acts. Even as Logical4U seems to have acknowledged, there is good and bad exemplified in both religions. The only practical difference is in the numbers (bean counting).

Check out http://www.islamdenouncesterrorism.com/

 

[logical4u]

Islamic Evil:

Islamic terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islamic Good:

Islamic Charities - Islamic Charitable Organizations

Christian Evil:

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Christian Good:

CCUSA Members

Now, do I need to make it any more clear for you?

Here, I will make it clear for you.

Christian terrorism

Contents [hide]
1 History
2 Organizations and acts by country
2.1 Canada
2.2 India
2.3 Northern Ireland
2.4 Romania
2.5 Russia
2.6 Uganda
2.7 United States
3 Motivation, ideology and theology
4 See also
5 References
6 Bibliography


Islamic terrorism

Contents [hide]
1 Debate over terminology
2 Motivations and Islamic terrorism
2.1 Profiles
2.2 Ideology
3 Views of Jihad of different Muslim groups
3.1 Sunni view
3.2 Sufic view
3.3 Ahmadiyya view
3.4 Interpretations of the Qur'an and Hadith
3.5 Criticism of Islamic terrorist ideology
4 Identity-based Frameworks for Analyzing Islamist-based terrorism
4.1 Social Identity Theory Analysis of Islamist-based terrorism
4.2 Social Categorization Theory
5 Organizations and acts
5.1 Transnational
5.2 South Asia
5.2.1 Lashkar-e-Toiba
5.2.2 Jaish-e-Mohammed
5.2.3 Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen
5.3 Afghanistan
5.4 United States
5.4.1 Al-Qaeda
5.5 Europe
5.5.1 Russia
5.5.2 Turkey
5.5.2.1 Turkish Hezbollah
5.6 Middle East / Southwest Asia
5.6.1 Iraq
5.6.2 Lebanon
5.6.2.1 Hezbollah
5.6.2.2 Fatah al-Islam
5.6.3 Israel and the Palestinian territories
5.6.3.1 Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades
5.6.3.2 Hamas
5.6.3.3 Islamic Jihad
5.6.4 Yemen
5.7 North Africa
5.7.1 Armed Islamic Group
5.8 Southeast Asia
5.8.1 Abu Sayyaf Group
6 Tactics
6.1 Bombings
6.2 Hijackings
6.3 Kidnappings and executions
6.4 Internet recruiting
7 Muslim attitudes toward terrorism
7.1 View of Muslim Clerics
7.2 2001 Surveys
7.3 2004 Survey
7.4 2005 Survey
7.5 2008 & 2009 Surveys and Polls
8 Examples of attacks
9 U.S. State Department list
10 See also
11 Notes
12 Further reading


Christian Charities USA


Abba Children's Fund
Advancing Native Missions
Africa Faith and Justice Network
African American Self-Help Foundation
Aid for African Catholic Missions
All Nations Bible Society
American Bible Society
Amor Ministries
Angel Flight Samaritans
Baptist Charities of America
Baptist Children's Home Ministries
Bethany Christian Services Inc.
Bible Believers Fellowship, Inc.
Bright Hope International
Casas por Cristo
Catholic Campus Ministry Association
Catholic Relief Services - USCCB
Catholic Religious Educators Association
Catholics For The Poor and Needy Worldwide
Child Rescue International
Children of Zion, Inc.
Children's Christian Lifeline Hunger and Medical Relief
Children's Christian Relief Mission
Children's Emergency Relief Teams
Children's Hunger Fund Foundation
Children's Survival Fund
Children's Worldwide Hunger & Health Relief
Christ For the City International
Christ-Centered Education/Redwood Christian Schools
Christian Adoption and Orphan Care
Christian Aid Mission
Christian Bowhunters of America
Christian Charities USA
Christian Children's Health & Hope Mission
Christian Freedom International
Christian Media and Arts for Positive Values, Creative Paradox
Christian Medical & Dental Associations
Christian Mission Teams International, Compassion and Gospel Outreach
Christian Relief Services
Christian World Relief
CityTeam Ministries
Colorado Christian University
COMIX35
Compassion and Mercy Associates
Crosslink International
CSI Ministries, Inc.
Deaf Video Communications of America, Inc.
EarthCare Fund
Farmers & Hunters Feeding the Hungry
Feeding Hungry Children
Filipino American Rural Mission
Five Talents-USA, Inc.
Forward Edge International
Global Opportunities for Christ
God's Kids Organization
Gospel for Asia, Inc.
Great Dads
Harvest Time International
Himalayan International Outreach
Holy Land Christian Ecumenical Foundation, Inc.
Hope Builders International
Hope's Promise
IMA World Health
IN Network
Institute for Creation Research
Jesuit Volunteer Corps
Jews and Gentiles Joined in Messiah
Kids Hope USA
Legacy World Missions, Inc.
Life Teen, Inc.
Lion of Judah Ministries, Inc.
Literacy & Evangelism International
Living Water International
Lost and Found, Inc.
Love A Child
Lutheran Hour Ministries
Lutheran Volunteer Corps
Maranatha Baptist Bible College, Inc.
Matthew 25: Ministries
Medical Ministry International
Medical Teams International
Mercy Housing, Inc.
Methodist Mission Home
Mission Aviation Adventure Camps
Mission Safety International, Inc.
Missionaries of Jesus, Inc.
Missionary Care Services International
National Association of Pastoral Musicians
Native American Children's Fund
Network Education Program
New Horizons Ministries
Nightlight Christian Adoptions
Olive Branch International
One Way Out of Pornography
Open Doors with Brother Andrew, Inc.
Operation Compassion
Orphanos Foundation
Outreach International
Pax Christi USA
Persecuted Christians Care Fund
Plant With Purpose
Presbyterian Council for Chaplains and Military Personnel
Russian Orphan Opportunity Fund
Russian-American Institute US, Inc.
Scripture Union
Society of St. Vincent de Paul USA
Southeast Asia Christian Humanitarian Aid Program
Sports Outreach Institute, Inc.
Suicide Prevention Care Fund
TechMission Inc.
Teen Mania Ministries, Inc.
Thomas More Law Center
United Marriage Encounter
United States Catholic Mission Association
Village Ministries International
Water Missions International
Watoto Child Care Ministries
World Evangelical Alliance
World Impact
World Orphans
Worldwide Christian Medical Missions
Youth for Christ USA, Inc.


Top 7 Islamic Charitable Organizations

1. Islamic Relief
Islamic Relief is an international relief and development organization with permanent offices in 35 countries. Islamic Relief's USA office has been given a 4-star rating by Charity Navigator. Islamic Relief works in partnership with other international aid organizations, church groups, and local relief agencies in the areas they serve.

2. Life for Relief and Development (LIFE)
A non-governmental organization founded by Iraqi-American professionals in 1992, now providing humanitarian assistance to people in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Palestinian Territories, Jordan, Pakistan, and Sierra Leone. Charity Navigator rates LIFE as a 4-star charity, their top ranking. The LIFE website provides copies of their credentials with the US government and the United Nations, and registration documents for the countries in which they work.
3. Muslim Aid
Muslim Aid aims to provide emergency, long-term assistance and other charitable work to alleviate the pain of those suffering and in need of relief. Their focus is on sustainable development programs which tackle the root causes of poverty.
More Info
4. International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (This includes non-muslim charities also)There are 186 National Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies around the world, forming a network of volunteers and staff who have provided humanitarian services worldwide since 1919. The Red Crescent is used in place of the Red Cross in many Islamic countries, and all societies provide assistance without discrimination as to nationality, race, religious beliefs, class, or political opinions. Each national society is independent and supports the public authorities in their own country, with local knowledge and expertise, infrastructure, and access.
5. ICNA Relief
A program of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), ICNA Relief is a humanitarian relief and development organization which responds to emergency and disaster situations at home and abroad. ICNA Relief runs special programs to help the needy in poor neighborhoods within North America.
More Info
6. Mercy-USA for Aid and Development
Founded in 1986, Mercy-USA is a non-profit relief and development organization. Their projects focus on improving health and promoting economic and educational growth around the world. Mercy-USA has received a 2-star rating by Charity Navigator.
More Info
7. U.S. Treasury Dept. - List of Banned Organizations
As the "war on terrorism" continues, some Islamic charitable organizations have been targeted and shut down by the U.S. government under accusations of terrorist ties. The U.S. Treasury Dept. is responsible for administering sanctions against terrorists and other criminals. To ensure that your contribution reaches its intended recipients, steer clear of questionable groups and contribute through reputable, international organizations.


IMHO those two comparisons are worth a lifetime of words.

Okay. So you acknowledge Islamic charities and Christian terrorism. The numbers don’t matter to me. You seem to make a big deal out of it. That’s all.

is that like saying "you made a million dollars last year, but I made five thousand, that means we are the same"?

 

[logical4u]

This is where you totally got lost. You said Christians in Spain and Hungary and "elsewhere" murdered Communists in the 1920s and 1930s. Where the heck have you been learning your history? Communists declared the dictatorship of the proletariat in Hungary in 1919 and went on a horror show of crimes against humanity in that country that lasted decades! Which is why earlier this year the Hungarian government passed legislation that outlawed revising Hungarian history by the left trying to hide and cover up this horror show that was committed by communists. According to the legislation, those denying, casting doubts on, or depreciating the crimes committed by the Communist regime will be facing from one to three years behind bars. That is hardly supportive of your claim it was "Christians" who went on a murder spree in that country when Hungarians themselves believe it was communists who committed a slew of crimes against THEMSELVES and communists who committed crimes against humanity going back to the 20s! No such comparable legislation outlawing denials that Christians did such things in the name of Christianity -because THAT never happened!

But leaving their history aside, let me address a point you clearly don't get at all. There is a difference between people who commit crimes or violent acts who HAPPEN to be Christians and Christians who commit those same acts in the NAME of their religion. If I oppose communism and happen to be a Christian, that doesn't suddenly turn my political opposition to communism into a religious war! And you are doing nothing but being deceitful by trying to co-mingle them as if someone who happens to be a Christian commits a violent act -say murders his wife -is the same kind of act as a Muslim who blows up a busload of children in the name of Islam!! That is beyond intellectually dishonest and a deliberate act of deceit. All societies have criminals who commit crimes for all sorts of reasons. But not all societies have groups who do it in the name of a religion! A criminal who HAPPENS to be a Christian doesn't suddenly turn him into a "Christian extremist". There is only one group in this day and age that declares and wages religious war and in fact have done so around the world -you would be hard pressed to find even three conflicts taking place right now where Muslim extremism isn't the root cause of the conflict. For Muslim extremists all these different conflicts are just different battlefields in THEIR larger religious war.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "CHRISTIAN EXTREMISTS" and those who claim there is are LIARS. There are NO comparable groups within Christianity to Muslims extremists -and the reason there is no such thing is because Christians themselves REJECT such acts in the name of their religion. Ever heard of the Reformation which PERMANENTLY rejects aggression and violence and murder and forced conversions in the name of Christianity forever and is accepted by every single branch and denomination of Christianity? And any church or group who claim otherwise are IMMEDIATELY rejected as being Christian by all the others. THAT is how the Reformation works and continues to work to this day. Christians will NEVER accept such acts carried out the name of their religion as being anything other than evil! And insist that any who would commit them -whether in the name of Christianity or not -are not only NOT Christian, but belong in prison!

Which is why anyone who ever said they blew up a school bus of children in the name of Christianity would be denounced by the billions of the world's Christians as an evil-doer who belonged in prison -because Christianity itself REJECTS such an act in the name of their religion. Not just among some Christians -but ALL Christians because anyone who believed that was an acceptable act done in the name of Christianity -would never be considered to be Christians either any more than the person who committed that atrocity. While if a Muslim blows up a school bus of children -even Muslim ones such as happened in Iraq -and says he did it in the name of Islam, the world's Muslims react to that act with dead silence. Such acts ARE accepted among Muslims as being "good" as long as the criminal who committed it said he did it for Islam. The acts are not only considered acceptable in the name of their religion, the criminal who committed the mass murders is considered to be a "hero" and often called "martyr" if he committed suicide at the same time. Which means Muslims aren't even capable of understanding that the real martyrs in such acts were those slaughtered by the butcher and NOT the butcher himself! Which means extremism is an ACCEPTED part of the religion by other Muslims where that same act committed by someone saying he did for Christianity would be denounced and rejected by the world's Christians. Pretending there is an equivalent "extremist" segment among Christianity is a LIE because there is no such thing -Christians themselves not only reject it they reject as being Christian anyone who would even claim to have done such an act in the name of Christianity. They are NOT embraced and called "hero" by the world's Christians even if such an act had been done in the name of their religion -which it NEVER is because all Christians understand that can NEVER be anything but an evil act of mass murder. But even if someone were stupid and evil enough to claim to have done such a thing in the name of Christianity, that person would NEVER be called "hero" or "martyr" -only called a "mass murdering thug who belongs behind bars" just like they should be.

Just because one group has political differences with another and the source of the differences for that other group is their religion and their religious beliefs -does NOT suddenly mean that MY differences are suddenly based in MY religious beliefs as well! If I come after you because I'm hoping to claim your land after I kill you and you defend yourself from my attacks and go on the offensive to permanently remove my threat to your existence -doesn't mean that YOU are fighting to try and claim MY land! The motive of one side for waging war does not EVER mean it is also the same motive by those defending themselves from the attackers! It is a religious war for them but a war of self defense for us that we would be engaged in just the same regardless of the motive for the attack by those who attacked us. Their MOTIVE doesn't become OUR motive just because we defend ourselves though.

Your example was flawed and phony because no matter what the revisionist history you subscribe to at the moment, NONE of your examples of "Christian terrorism" are examples of Christian terrorism at all -because none were ever committed in the name of "glorifying" Christianity or the NAME of Christianity. It was NOT Communists vs. Christians in those countries as you would have people believe - but communists vs. non-communists and many who were involved HAPPENED to be Christian. On BOTH SIDES. But that was a political conflict, not a religious one -in addition to which it was actually the non-communists who were overwhelmingly the victims of communist criminal acts rather than the perpetrators of such acts against communists anyway. Just as was true about communists and communism elsewhere in the world. Communists are NOT tolerant of political dissent and would rather kill their opponents than debate them -and all too often did just that.

We are comparing apples to apples. There are segments in Christianity that advocate or engage in terrorism. There are segments in Christianity that oppose such acts. There are segments in Islam that advocate or engage in terrorism. There are segments in the Muslim communities that oppose such acts. Even as Logical4U seems to have acknowledged, there is good and bad exemplified in both religions. The only practical difference is in the numbers (bean counting).

Check out Islam Denounces Terrorism

Where are the "segments in Christianity" that "advocate" terrorism? You might be able to name some wackos that have "Christ" in their name, but they belong to no "segment" of Christianity.

 

[mattskramer]

didn't list the terrorist organizations side by side, ditto for the charitiable
looks like you didn't want to post the results, so you selectively presented information to make it look like there are more terrorists that are Christian and more charities that are muslim. I find that deceitful and cowardly. We get it, to much reality for you.

You are resorting to the fallacy of mindreading. My intention was not to make it look like there are more terrorists that are Christian and more charities that are Muslim. As I stated previously, I am not going to get into a “bean counting” game with you. For the sake of argument, I concede that, per capita, I think that there are more terrorists that are Muslim than there are terrorists that are Christian. I think that there are more Christian charities than there are Muslim charities. My intention was to simply point out that there is Christian terrorism and that there are Muslim charities. Having stated that, are you willing to concede that there are at least a few terroristic Christians and that there are a few Muslin charities?

I am not being deceitful and cowardly. I’m pointing out some things that you seem to be unwilling to acknowledge.

I have NO KNOWLEDGE of a Christian screeching "This is for my G*d" or "This is for Jesus Christ" as they committed a crime. Do you know of that situation?

I am not going to go on a scavenger hunt for other examples but the following one is pretty darn close to your criteria.

BBC NEWS | Health | Anti-abortion and violence in the US

"According to data gathered by the National Abortion Federation, a pro-choice group, there had been at least eight killings in anti-abortion protests, 17 attempted murders and 400 death threats.

Bombings and arson attempts of abortion facilities also happen on a regular basis with cases often reaching double figures every year.

The most famous was probably the Christmas Day bombings which targeted three clinics in 1984 with the perpetrators dubbing them a 'birthday gift for Jesus'."

 

[DiveCon]

You are resorting to the fallacy of mindreading. My intention was not to make it look like there are more terrorists that are Christian and more charities that are Muslim. As I stated previously, I am not going to get into a “bean counting” game with you. For the sake of argument, I concede that, per capita, I think that there are more terrorists that are Muslim than there are terrorists that are Christian. I think that there are more Christian charities than there are Muslim charities. My intention was to simply point out that there is Christian terrorism and that there are Muslim charities. Having stated that, are you willing to concede that there are at least a few terroristic Christians and that there are a few Muslin charities?

I am not being deceitful and cowardly. I’m pointing out some things that you seem to be unwilling to acknowledge.

I have NO KNOWLEDGE of a Christian screeching "This is for my G*d" or "This is for Jesus Christ" as they committed a crime. Do you know of that situation?

I am not going to go on a scavenger hunt for other examples but the following one is pretty darn close to your criteria.

BBC NEWS | Health | Anti-abortion and violence in the US

"According to data gathered by the National Abortion Federation, a pro-choice group, there had been at least eight killings in anti-abortion protests, 17 attempted murders and 400 death threats.

Bombings and arson attempts of abortion facilities also happen on a regular basis with cases often reaching double figures every year.

The most famous was probably the Christmas Day bombings which targeted three clinics in 1984 with the perpetrators dubbing them a 'birthday gift for Jesus'."

yes, because Jesus told his followers to kill those that do differently from them

 

[Kat]

I have NO KNOWLEDGE of a Christian screeching "This is for my G*d" or "This is for Jesus Christ" as they committed a crime. Do you know of that situation?

I am not going to go on a scavenger hunt for other examples but the following one is pretty darn close to your criteria.

BBC NEWS | Health | Anti-abortion and violence in the US

"According to data gathered by the National Abortion Federation, a pro-choice group, there had been at least eight killings in anti-abortion protests, 17 attempted murders and 400 death threats.

Bombings and arson attempts of abortion facilities also happen on a regular basis with cases often reaching double figures every year.

The most famous was probably the Christmas Day bombings which targeted three clinics in 1984 with the perpetrators dubbing them a 'birthday gift for Jesus'."

yes, because Jesus told his followers to kill those that do differently from them

haha exactly!

 

[mattskramer]

I have NO KNOWLEDGE of a Christian screeching "This is for my G*d" or "This is for Jesus Christ" as they committed a crime. Do you know of that situation?

I am not going to go on a scavenger hunt for other examples but the following one is pretty darn close to your criteria.

BBC NEWS | Health | Anti-abortion and violence in the US

"According to data gathered by the National Abortion Federation, a pro-choice group, there had been at least eight killings in anti-abortion protests, 17 attempted murders and 400 death threats.

Bombings and arson attempts of abortion facilities also happen on a regular basis with cases often reaching double figures every year.

The most famous was probably the Christmas Day bombings which targeted three clinics in 1984 with the perpetrators dubbing them a 'birthday gift for Jesus'."

yes, because Jesus told his followers to kill those that do differently from them

Okay. Now you are moving from people who do evil in the name of their religions to interpreting what their religions’ books say. We can move into another type of “bean counting” game. There are sentences in the Bible that can be translated and interpreted to advocate violence. There are sentences in the Bible that can be translated and interpreted to advocate peace. There are sentences in the Koran that can be translated and interpreted to advocate violence. There are sentences in the Koran that can be translated and interpreted to advocate peace.

 

[Kalam]

Remember - when a Christian does something reprehensible, he isn't a "real Christian." When a Muslim does something reprehensible, it's because he's a devout follower of Islam who is following the evil instructions in the Qur'an! No exceptions.

 

[mattskramer]

Remember - when a Christian does something reprehensible, he isn't a "real Christian." When a Muslim does something reprehensible, it's because he's a devout follower of Islam who is following the evil instructions in the Qur'an! No exceptions.

You are being sarcastic, right?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Certain so-called "Christians" here are nothing more than violent extremists. They need to be more than ignored, they need their hatred and antiAmericanism unmasked.

 

[DiveCon]

Certain so-called "Christians" here are nothing more than violent extremists. They need to be more than ignored, they need their hatred and antiAmericanism unmasked.

care to name them?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

logical4u, you are losing this discussion. Move along.

You are my hero ,like a magical shitweasel from outerspace. Never change.

 

[logical4u]

Certain so-called "Christians" here are nothing more than violent extremists. They need to be more than ignored, they need their hatred and antiAmericanism unmasked.

Still making statements without evidence/links/documentation Jake? You must be a lib, if someone disagrees with Obama, you call them a racists, so you don't have to consider their opinion/stance/evidence.

You have nothing, so you start with the tears and pouting. Once you are over eighteen, it isn't cute.

 

[Kalam]

Remember - when a Christian does something reprehensible, he isn't a "real Christian." When a Muslim does something reprehensible, it's because he's a devout follower of Islam who is following the evil instructions in the Qur'an! No exceptions.

You are being sarcastic, right?

Me? Yes. The countless others who say things like that? No.

 

[DiveCon]

Remember - when a Christian does something reprehensible, he isn't a "real Christian." When a Muslim does something reprehensible, it's because he's a devout follower of Islam who is following the evil instructions in the Qur'an! No exceptions.

You are being sarcastic, right?

Me? Yes. The countless others who say things like that? No.

because neither you nor he, know what a real christian is

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Remember - when a Christian does something reprehensible, he isn't a "real Christian." When a Muslim does something reprehensible, it's because he's a devout follower of Islam who is following the evil instructions in the Qur'an! No exceptions.

Well it is foolish to overlook the scriptural justification muslims often leave behind or make upon apprehension .
They point to the Quran and traditions.
Christians... ahh not so much.
But dont let the facts mess up your hair.

 

[Kalam]

You are being sarcastic, right?

Me? Yes. The countless others who say things like that? No.

because neither you nor he, know what a real christian is

A person who believes in the message of John 3:16 and accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. You've made it clear than anybody whose understanding of Christianity differs from yours is not a "real Christian." Seems a bit arrogant to me.

 

[Kalam]

Remember - when a Christian does something reprehensible, he isn't a "real Christian." When a Muslim does something reprehensible, it's because he's a devout follower of Islam who is following the evil instructions in the Qur'an! No exceptions.

Well it is foolish to overlook the scriptural justification muslims often leave behind or make upon apprehension .
They point to the Quran and traditions.
Christians... ahh not so much.
But dont let the facts mess up your hair.

Yes, thank you for proving my point. This is an example of someone who isn't being sarcastic, mattskramer.