My Apologies to the Liberals Here; You Were Right.....

[Uncensored2008]

There has just been an intellectual detachment between reality and fantasy, and it probably won't stop any time soon. It's one of the many areas in which the two ends of the spectrum are similar - emotion and frustration take over for reason and equilibrium.
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We are in a civil war. The fascist democrats are determined to end the United States Constitution. Those of us who continue to advocate for liberty will either stand up to the democrats or face letting happen here what happened in Germany in the 1920's. I will not.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Republicans are incapable of governing

They know how to win elections but have no idea of what to do once they are elected

Whereas America knows exactly what you Nazis will do if elected, hence will not elect you.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The problem with obama care is that in order to give some freebies and subsidies the givers are now faced with high premiums, high co pays and very high deductibles. Now the givers cannot afford health care and the takers are riding free! Check yourself!

The politicians have no idea how the people suffer under Obamacare. A woman today said her premiums went from $300 a month to $1600! People can't afford to get sick.

Trump is right. If congress can't do its job, they need to just let it fail.

Before the ACA that woman may not have been able to get insurance if she had a pre-existing condition. Or she might not have been able to afford insurance before.

Obamacare repeal is flailing because Obamacare is working

But focusing on the problems obscures the overwhelming reality: The Affordable Care is popular, it is working, and on every dimension that voters care about, it outperforms the Republican alternatives. And that makes it damn hard to replace.

Poll after poll shows more people now favor the Affordable Care Act than oppose it. It has higher approval ratings than Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, or the Republican Party. It far outperforms the Republican replacement plans: A new Washington Post/ABC News poll found voters prefer Obamacare to the Republican health bill by a 2-to-1 margin — 50 to 24 percent. You rarely see numbers like that in American politics.

These numbers are strange if you listen to Republicans describe the Affordable Care Act. In their telling, it is always “imploding,” “failing,” “dying,” “disastrous.” How can a law in such crisis command such healthy public support? The answer is that the law is, for the most part, not in crisis. There are areas of the country where the exchanges have struggled to attract insurers, and there are markets in which premiums have increased rapidly. These problems are real and, if the party in power were interested in improving the law, solvable.

But even without improvements, the reality is that for most people, in most places, the Affordable Care Act is working. The bulk of its coverage expansion has been through Medicaid, which is immune to the problems of the insurance marketplaces. Surveys find that Medicaid enrollees really like their coverage; they’re just as satisfied as people who get health insurance at work. Indeed, the Medicaid expansion has proven so popular, and so effective, that Senate Republicans from Medicaid-expanding states like Ohio and Nevada have been fighting to preserve it.

Nor are the exchanges in anything close to a state of collapse. More than 10 million people are buying insurance off Obamacare’s exchanges, and surveys show most of them are happy with their plans. While there are some counties at risk of beginning 2018 without participating insurers, the total number is quite small — 38 out of 3,143 counties, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Nor has the Affordable Care Act seen exploding costs either in the program or in the health care system more broadly; the ACA has cost less than the Congressional Budget Office expected, and spending growth in the health system overall has been at historic lows (an achievement for which Obamacare deserves some, though not all, of the credit). Cost control in the health system has been so unexpectedly effective that the government is now projected to spend less on health care with Obamacare than we were projected to spend without Obamacare.

This is the reality that Republicans are flinging their repeal effort against — and it is a reality that their plans mostly worsen. According to the Congressional Budget Office, over the next 10 years, 23 million fewer people would have insurance if the House health bill passed, 22 million fewer people would have insurance if the Senate health bill passed, and 32 million fewer people would have insurance if the 2015 repeal bill — which McConnell now wants to bring to a vote — passed.

Obamacare’s biggest problem is the high cost sharing that frustrates those who buy coverage on the marketplaces. But all of the Republican bills would lead to higher deductibles, higher copays, sparer insurance, and, on an apples-to-apples basis, higher premiums. The reasons for this are simple: The GOP bills cancel the individual mandate, which pushes young and healthy people to buy health insurance, and then take hundreds of billions of dollars Obamacare is currently spending to make insurance more affordable and spend it instead on tax cuts and deficit reduction.

If the Affordable Care Act were truly as bad as Republicans say it is, it would be easier to replace. Hell, if it were as bad as they say it is, straight repeal would be an improvement — but even conservative Republicans don’t dare discuss repeal without some kind of vague, wonderful replacement.

Anyone claiming Obama'a fascist care is "working" is a fucking retard.

LOL- yeah- you snowflake Trumpsters do get really pissy when the facts are pointed out to you.

Tell us again about how Trump is going to replace the ACA with a fantastic new health insurance plan that will leave no one out and lower premiums and not take Medicaid away from anyone.

What Trump does or does not do, Obama's fascist care is a fucking disaster.

 

[Dragonlady]

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You're misinformed. Our health care goes far beyond "basic" and I'd much rather go to Sunnybrook Hospital in Toronto or McMaster Health Sciences Centre to have it done, if I needed it. Why would I fly to a foreign country and pay out of my own pocket when excellent care is available within an hour's drive from my home at no cost to me?

What Heart Valve Operations Are Covered

A family friend had a heart attack while in the US, and asked that he be stabilized, so he could go home to be treated by his Regular cardiologist at Sunnybrook.

My tubal reconstructive surgery was performed by the OB/GYN who pioneered the surgery, and taught Americans how to do it.

You have wonderful care for those who can afford it, but crap care for those who can't. Canadians live longer and healthier lives than Americans.

I seriously doubt anyone who was ill would be turned away from a Canadian hospital. It's not in our nature. It's also in our Constitution that we are required to help others. Students from outside Canada are issued OHIP cards with their visas.

First off, Canada does not provide care to illegals.

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In 1999, community health workers informed us that large numbers of immigrants and refugees lived and often worked in our Scarborough, Ont, community while being denied access to publicly funded health care.

Our inquiries uncovered empirical evidence that Scarborough’s uninsured experienced health care access inequities, health disparities, financial hardships, and delayed acculturation. Scarborough’s only community health centre (CHC) reported a waiting list of 3000 uninsured newcomers seeking access to health care.}

Health care for Canada’s medically uninsured immigrants and refugees: Whose problem is it?

As far as quality of care;

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To be sure, Canada's publicly funded system provides individuals with preventative care and medical treatment from primary-care physicians along with access to hospitals and other important medical services. Universal health care is a source of collective pride in Canada, which boasts one of the highest life expectancies and lowest infant mortality rates in the world.


However, the Canadian health-care system is far from perfect, and its shortcomings are a hot-button topic north of the 49th parallel.

Contrary to popular belief among Americans, health care is not entirely free for Canadians. Dental, ambulance and many other services as well as prescription medications must be paid for out of pocket or they're covered through a combination of public programs and private health insurance. About two-thirds of Canadians have such insurance.


The Commonwealth Fund, a U.S. think tank, released a report two years ago ranking Canada 10th out of 11 wealthy nations in terms of health care. Only the United States fared worse. The report, based largely on satisfaction surveys by patients and health-care providers, placed Canada last in timeliness of care. The United Kingdom was ranked No. 1

Few Canadians would be surprised by that finding. A visitor spending an afternoon in a coffee shop anywhere between Vancouver and St. John's would likely come across at least one person complaining about waiting months for an MRI on his knee or an appointment with an ears, nose and throat specialist.

Canadians seek treatment abroad

The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.
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https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

The Fraser Institutes reports are highly inaccurate. They are based on physician surveys which ask what percentage of their patients sought care abroad. The multiple choice answer did not allow for an answer of zero, merely less than 1%. From that survey they extrapolated that 50,000+ Canadians sought treatment abroad.

It should also be noted that the Fraser Instititute is a hard right think tank with a goal of abolishing publically funded health care and education and that alone makes their figures suspect.

I have seen reports that said 13,000 Canadians sought care in the US but that most were people who became ill while in the US while on vacation or business.

I personally know one person who went to the US for treatment of lung cancer. Another friend looked at an experimental treatment program for a rare form of non-Hodgkin lymphoma for their daughter but only 6 patients had had the treatment and 3 had died. Both families were wealthy.

I agree that our health care system isn't perfect. No system is, but it is a long way from the administration heavy, debacle that is currently US healthcare.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Whereas America knows exactly what you Nazis will do if elected, hence will not elect you.

If the public thinks that the only two choices is to vote Republican and starve vrs voting for Demofascists and at least have the basics in life, what the hell do you think that they will choose?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Whereas America knows exactly what you Nazis will do if elected, hence will not elect you.

If the public thinks that the only two choices is to vote Republican and starve vrs voting for Demofascists and at least have the basics in life, what the hell do you think that they will choose?

Who is starving?

In fact when there is a totalitarian state such as the one the democrats are working to create, then you see starvation, not in a market economy,

 

[JimBowie1958]

Whereas America knows exactly what you Nazis will do if elected, hence will not elect you.

If the public thinks that the only two choices is to vote Republican and starve vrs voting for Demofascists and at least have the basics in life, what the hell do you think that they will choose?

Who is starving?

In fact when there is a totalitarian state such as the one the democrats are working to create, then you see starvation, not in a market economy,

People living in a state of constant hunger is a hallmark of unfettered capitalism, dont deny it, dude.

 

[Uncensored2008]

People living in a state of constant hunger is a hallmark of unfettered capitalism, dont deny it, dude.

Why would I not state that utter nonsense is just that?

The rise of the market is what ended starvation and allowed men to grow food beyond that which barely kept them from starvation. It is the ability to gain that created a world with abundant food. Where there is the market, no one starves. Where there is Marx, all but the elite teeter on the brink of starvation.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Why would I not state that utter nonsense is just that?

lol

You have not heard of Social Darwinism and the deliberate starvation of Amerindians and the poor in order to purify Americas ethnic heritage?

The class warfare of the Peasants Revolt, or the inefficiency of the market when unregulated?

Dude, I dont have that much time.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Why would I not state that utter nonsense is just that?

lol

You have not heard of Social Darwinism and the deliberate starvation of Amerindians and the poor in order to purify Americas ethnic heritage?

The class warfare of the Peasants Revolt, or the inefficiency of the market when unregulated?

Dude, I dont have that much time.

What complete absurdity.

Let's start with the social darwanism idiocy from your own link;

{The term "social Darwinism" has rarely been used by advocates of the supposed ideologies or ideas; instead it has almost always been used pejoratively by its opponents.}

{Herbert Spencer's ideas, like those of evolutionary progressivism, stemmed from his reading of Thomas Malthus, and his later theories were influenced by those of Darwin. However, Spencer's major work, Progress: Its Law and Cause(1857), was released two years before the publication of Darwin's On the Origin of Species, and First Principles was printed in 1860.}

So, rather than being a attribute of CAPITALISM as you fibbed, it's a feature of the progressives.

As for your nonsense from the Creation Research morons, I'm not going to dignify it with a response.