CDZ Nationalized Healthcare

[anotherlife]

If you convert anything into a right, then you do nothing but just shake it down on successful people. A form of robbery. This is why anything national, especially healthcare is unethical.

Capitalism is public policy. Who's fault is it, it can't solve simple poverty.

Capitalism may be a public policy in today's centralized nation states. But it is nobody's fault that poverty is not solved, because poverty is never solvable. Malthus and others have successfully proven this even mathematically. Any political pressure group that claims to solve poverty is a socialist con to empty your pocket only.

The problem is social. The right wing insists on the socialism of a work ethic in modern capital times.

Only capital has to work under capitalism.

The ready reserve labor force, should not.

This sounds quite impossible. It is only by working that any individual can keep his foothold in the world. Okay that or by killing his neighbor, but murder has been outlawed for some time now.

capital has to work not people. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment for people.

This has already been achieved. The capital is computers and they have replaced people.

 

[anotherlife]

Okay my socialist friends, I have invented an idea for the world unemployment, underemployment, and poverty problem. Quite unrealistic, but as good as socialism.

Here it is. Begin nationally to recognize religious prayer as work. Muslim countries do this as well as medieval Europe used to and collected tide. Then, business entities and corporations, including multinationals would start paying tides. Not taxes which is a financial and moral failure, but tide instead of taxes. From the tide then, a universal income can be distributed to everybody who prays devoutly daily. And all of this only on a day by day basis, no accumulation of monies. Quite unrealistic, but would work better than socialism.

Would work better than socialism, because human instinct and biology includes both conning and faith, so it is better to provide for the masses of folks through faith than through con.

we already have unemployment compensation that should be used more effectually.

No because unemployment compensation comes from working wages, which don't exist for those who haven't worked for a year.

 

[danielpalos]

Capitalism is public policy. Who's fault is it, it can't solve simple poverty.

Capitalism may be a public policy in today's centralized nation states. But it is nobody's fault that poverty is not solved, because poverty is never solvable. Malthus and others have successfully proven this even mathematically. Any political pressure group that claims to solve poverty is a socialist con to empty your pocket only.

The problem is social. The right wing insists on the socialism of a work ethic in modern capital times.

Only capital has to work under capitalism.

The ready reserve labor force, should not.

This sounds quite impossible. It is only by working that any individual can keep his foothold in the world. Okay that or by killing his neighbor, but murder has been outlawed for some time now.

capital has to work not people. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment for people.

This has already been achieved. The capital is computers and they have replaced people.

Unfilled jobs cost the U.S. economy $160 billion a year

 

[danielpalos]

Okay my socialist friends, I have invented an idea for the world unemployment, underemployment, and poverty problem. Quite unrealistic, but as good as socialism.

Here it is. Begin nationally to recognize religious prayer as work. Muslim countries do this as well as medieval Europe used to and collected tide. Then, business entities and corporations, including multinationals would start paying tides. Not taxes which is a financial and moral failure, but tide instead of taxes. From the tide then, a universal income can be distributed to everybody who prays devoutly daily. And all of this only on a day by day basis, no accumulation of monies. Quite unrealistic, but would work better than socialism.

Would work better than socialism, because human instinct and biology includes both conning and faith, so it is better to provide for the masses of folks through faith than through con.

we already have unemployment compensation that should be used more effectually.

No because unemployment compensation comes from working wages, which don't exist for those who haven't worked for a year.

sounds like a right winger, invented that policy.

 

[anotherlife]

Capitalism may be a public policy in today's centralized nation states. But it is nobody's fault that poverty is not solved, because poverty is never solvable. Malthus and others have successfully proven this even mathematically. Any political pressure group that claims to solve poverty is a socialist con to empty your pocket only.

The problem is social. The right wing insists on the socialism of a work ethic in modern capital times.

Only capital has to work under capitalism.

The ready reserve labor force, should not.

This sounds quite impossible. It is only by working that any individual can keep his foothold in the world. Okay that or by killing his neighbor, but murder has been outlawed for some time now.

capital has to work not people. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment for people.

This has already been achieved. The capital is computers and they have replaced people.

Unfilled jobs cost the U.S. economy $160 billion a year

False propaganda.

 

[anotherlife]

Okay my socialist friends, I have invented an idea for the world unemployment, underemployment, and poverty problem. Quite unrealistic, but as good as socialism.

Here it is. Begin nationally to recognize religious prayer as work. Muslim countries do this as well as medieval Europe used to and collected tide. Then, business entities and corporations, including multinationals would start paying tides. Not taxes which is a financial and moral failure, but tide instead of taxes. From the tide then, a universal income can be distributed to everybody who prays devoutly daily. And all of this only on a day by day basis, no accumulation of monies. Quite unrealistic, but would work better than socialism.

Would work better than socialism, because human instinct and biology includes both conning and faith, so it is better to provide for the masses of folks through faith than through con.

we already have unemployment compensation that should be used more effectually.

No because unemployment compensation comes from working wages, which don't exist for those who haven't worked for a year.

sounds like a right winger, invented that policy.

It is an insurance scheme. So it can work in short term accidental unemployment, like business cycles. But when you are replaced by a machine then you are different, then you are structurally unemployed. And then nothing helps. My solution above would though, although that would require to break the taboo.

 

[danielpalos]

The problem is social. The right wing insists on the socialism of a work ethic in modern capital times.

Only capital has to work under capitalism.

The ready reserve labor force, should not.

This sounds quite impossible. It is only by working that any individual can keep his foothold in the world. Okay that or by killing his neighbor, but murder has been outlawed for some time now.

capital has to work not people. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment for people.

This has already been achieved. The capital is computers and they have replaced people.

Unfilled jobs cost the U.S. economy $160 billion a year

False propaganda.

low wage jobs are costing us money as well. we cannot afford to subsidize capitalists with cheap labor in a First World economy.

 

[danielpalos]

Okay my socialist friends, I have invented an idea for the world unemployment, underemployment, and poverty problem. Quite unrealistic, but as good as socialism.

Here it is. Begin nationally to recognize religious prayer as work. Muslim countries do this as well as medieval Europe used to and collected tide. Then, business entities and corporations, including multinationals would start paying tides. Not taxes which is a financial and moral failure, but tide instead of taxes. From the tide then, a universal income can be distributed to everybody who prays devoutly daily. And all of this only on a day by day basis, no accumulation of monies. Quite unrealistic, but would work better than socialism.

Would work better than socialism, because human instinct and biology includes both conning and faith, so it is better to provide for the masses of folks through faith than through con.

we already have unemployment compensation that should be used more effectually.

No because unemployment compensation comes from working wages, which don't exist for those who haven't worked for a year.

sounds like a right winger, invented that policy.

It is an insurance scheme. So it can work in short term accidental unemployment, like business cycles. But when you are replaced by a machine then you are different, then you are structurally unemployed. And then nothing helps. My solution above would though, although that would require to break the taboo.

With unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed, a Person could be market friendly and provide those market based metrics.

 

[anotherlife]

This sounds quite impossible. It is only by working that any individual can keep his foothold in the world. Okay that or by killing his neighbor, but murder has been outlawed for some time now.

capital has to work not people. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment for people.

This has already been achieved. The capital is computers and they have replaced people.

Unfilled jobs cost the U.S. economy $160 billion a year

False propaganda.

low wage jobs are costing us money as well. we cannot afford to subsidize capitalists with cheap labor in a First World economy.

The capitalists control the world economy far enough that if you are not cheap enough like free, then they will simply import a million Latinos to do your job.

 

[anotherlife]

Okay my socialist friends, I have invented an idea for the world unemployment, underemployment, and poverty problem. Quite unrealistic, but as good as socialism.

Here it is. Begin nationally to recognize religious prayer as work. Muslim countries do this as well as medieval Europe used to and collected tide. Then, business entities and corporations, including multinationals would start paying tides. Not taxes which is a financial and moral failure, but tide instead of taxes. From the tide then, a universal income can be distributed to everybody who prays devoutly daily. And all of this only on a day by day basis, no accumulation of monies. Quite unrealistic, but would work better than socialism.

Would work better than socialism, because human instinct and biology includes both conning and faith, so it is better to provide for the masses of folks through faith than through con.

we already have unemployment compensation that should be used more effectually.

No because unemployment compensation comes from working wages, which don't exist for those who haven't worked for a year.

sounds like a right winger, invented that policy.

It is an insurance scheme. So it can work in short term accidental unemployment, like business cycles. But when you are replaced by a machine then you are different, then you are structurally unemployed. And then nothing helps. My solution above would though, although that would require to break the taboo.

With unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed, a Person could be market friendly and provide those market based metrics.

No because that way the whole unemployment insurance idea collapses into a pyramid scheme. The problem is that the actual unemployment benefit cash flow is not supported by your labor, and if you labor then you are not unemployed. A contradiction.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Is not feasible. Would proponents please explain:

1. Why it is necessary
2. How would we pay for it

Thank you

False premise.

Nobody is calling for nationalized health care.

 

[dblack]

Nobody is calling for nationalized health care.

Those calling for single payer are. If the government is the 'payer' (aka employer) of doctors, it controls health care. You can bicker with the terminology, but not the actual power dynamics of what is proposed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nobody is calling for nationalized health care.

Those calling for single payer are. If the government is the 'payer' (aka employer) of doctors, it controls health care. You can bicker with the terminology, but not the actual power dynamics of what is proposed.

Are doctors employees of insurance companies?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Is not feasible. Would proponents please explain:

1. Why it is necessary
2. How would we pay for it

Thank you

False premise.

Nobody is calling for nationalized health care.

You just called Alexandria Ocasio Cortez a nobody. Oh and Israel = good guys and Palestine = terrorists

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Nobody is calling for nationalized health care.

Those calling for single payer are. If the government is the 'payer' (aka employer) of doctors, it controls health care. You can bicker with the terminology, but not the actual power dynamics of what is proposed.

Are doctors employees of insurance companies?

Laser eye surgery is covered by insurance? Since when?

 

[dblack]

Nobody is calling for nationalized health care.

Those calling for single payer are. If the government is the 'payer' (aka employer) of doctors, it controls health care. You can bicker with the terminology, but not the actual power dynamics of what is proposed.

Are doctors employees of insurance companies?

If a doctor were paid exclusively by one insurance company it would be fair to describe them that way, yes. But that's not usually how it works.

 

[danielpalos]

capital has to work not people. capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment for people.

This has already been achieved. The capital is computers and they have replaced people.

Unfilled jobs cost the U.S. economy $160 billion a year

False propaganda.

low wage jobs are costing us money as well. we cannot afford to subsidize capitalists with cheap labor in a First World economy.

The capitalists control the world economy far enough that if you are not cheap enough like free, then they will simply import a million Latinos to do your job.

with a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage?

 

[danielpalos]

we already have unemployment compensation that should be used more effectually.

No because unemployment compensation comes from working wages, which don't exist for those who haven't worked for a year.

sounds like a right winger, invented that policy.

It is an insurance scheme. So it can work in short term accidental unemployment, like business cycles. But when you are replaced by a machine then you are different, then you are structurally unemployed. And then nothing helps. My solution above would though, although that would require to break the taboo.

With unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed, a Person could be market friendly and provide those market based metrics.

No because that way the whole unemployment insurance idea collapses into a pyramid scheme. The problem is that the actual unemployment benefit cash flow is not supported by your labor, and if you labor then you are not unemployed. A contradiction.

did you know, nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics?

unemployment compensation produces a positive multiplier effect on our economy.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nobody is calling for nationalized health care.

Those calling for single payer are. If the government is the 'payer' (aka employer) of doctors, it controls health care. You can bicker with the terminology, but not the actual power dynamics of what is proposed.

Are doctors employees of insurance companies?

If a doctor were paid exclusively by one insurance company it would be fair to describe them that way, yes. But that's not usually how it works.

This brings up an issue. Doctors have to hire people to research different policies from different insurance companies.
What is not covered, what is covered, how much is the coverage, etc.. This adds to the cost of health care.

Plus, the administration cost of single payer is about 3%. For private insurance it is more like 25% to 30%. And there are many other costs to private insurance.

People ask "how are you going to pay for it?" Well, it will be less than we are paying now.

 

[dblack]

Nobody is calling for nationalized health care.

Those calling for single payer are. If the government is the 'payer' (aka employer) of doctors, it controls health care. You can bicker with the terminology, but not the actual power dynamics of what is proposed.

Are doctors employees of insurance companies?

If a doctor were paid exclusively by one insurance company it would be fair to describe them that way, yes. But that's not usually how it works.

This brings up an issue. Doctors have to hire people to research different policies from different insurance companies.
What is not covered, what is covered, how much is the coverage, etc.. This adds to the cost of health care.

Yep. The way we're using insurance undermines the market and introduce lots of inefficiency. When I was a kid, doctors didn't even deal with the insurance company - patients did that, after the fact. But that was before employer provided "group" insurance became the norm, which isn't really insurance at all, but a kind of employer provided health care.

Plus, the administration cost of single payer is about 3%. For private insurance it is more like 25% to 30%. And there are many other costs to private insurance.

There are always efficiencies that can be realized with authoritarian control. The question is whether the efficiencies are worth the loss of liberty entailed.

People ask "how are you going to pay for it?" Well, it will be less than we are paying now.

That's actually a good point, and I won't argue that a free market will always be more efficient than a command economy. I'm not arguing that the single payer would be bad because we can't afford it. It would be bad because it would concentrate control over everyone's health care under a single authority.