New Audio Evidence of Trump & Giuliani Corruption and Official Misconduct

[Faun]

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

LOL

You just can't stop lying, huh? Again, Rudy asked Ukraine to conduct an investigation.

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

You're lying about that too. Again, Hillary, who has nothing to do with this btw, hired an American firm.

when steele delivered his report

Looks like you're lying about this too. Post the date she got it or you're lying.

That you can't stop lying reveals just how fragile your position is.

Hillary has everything to do with it. She paid for it. How is that not having something to do with it?

You're lying again. You really should stop because you only hurt your own position. Of course Giuliani asked Ukraine to investigate Biden...

"And all we need… all we need from the President is to say: I'm gonna put an honest prosecutor in charge, he's gonna investigate and dig up the evidence, that presently exists and is there any other evidence about involvement of the 2016 election."​

And Hillary has nothing to do with Rudy. You're obviously deflecting to mitigate damage to Rudy.

And dates showing Hillary gained possession of the dossier, as it appears you lied about that too.

No one said Hillary had anything to do with Rudy. She had to do with hiring Christopher Steel. The guy was on her payroll. Hillary gained possession when Fusion GPS hired Christopher Steel.

Who are you trying to fool?

Nope, he was on Fusion GPS payroll. Sweet, huh?

Fusion GPS was on her payroll.

No one is fooled.

Correct and Fusion GPS is an American firm.

That put a foreigner on its payroll while in the employ of Hillary Clinton.

Yeah, so?

They broke our election laws, moron.

LOLOL

You failed to prove that, fucking moron. Again, you have to show she was involved with hiring Steele. Just saying, she had to have been only proves you're a fucking moron.

No you don't, NAZI. Both she and Fusion GPS knew the law. They also knew that Christopher Steel was a foreigner.

Case closed.

Have you ever heard of Paul Singer. He's a Jewish Billionaire Republican who hated Trump.

Trump dossier triggered by website funded by Jewish GOP mega-donor

Washington Free Beacon, supported by pro-Israel philanthropist Paul Singer, says it retained firm to do opposition research, but denies knowledge of file with damning allegations

www.timesofisrael.com

What does that matter? HIllary paid him. Case closed.

No she didn't.. You don't have any shame.. That's why you voted for Trump... Neither does he.. NO lie is too vile for Trump.

The fact that she paid him is indisputable.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. Nor does it matter how many times you repeat it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Burning the flag is a pretty clear indication you don't exactly hold the USA in high regard

Burning the flag is a form of protected speech critical of government policies and consistent with the right to petition the government for redress of grievances.

Such political protest and speech critical of government is the highest form of patriotism and love of country.

 

[Mustang]

Giuliani is some very serious legal trouble here. When this is combined with all the other likely upcoming charges against Rudy, he'd better get himself the best lawyer he can find because he's sure going to need help staying out of prison.

And in case anyone misses the point, any criminal conspiracy to commit a crime which is planned and executed by a lawyer and his client effectively negates any protections of a lawyer/client privileged and confidential communication.

I certainly hope that Giuliani is fully prepared for when Trump disavows any knowledge of what his lawyer was doing because that's been Trump's MO for decades.

Exclusive: New audio of 2019 phone call reveals how Giuliani pressured Ukraine to investigate baseless Biden conspiracies

Never-before-heard audio, obtained exclusively by CNN, shows how former President Donald Trump's longtime adviser Rudy Giuliani relentlessly pressured and coaxed the Ukrainian government in 2019 to investigate baseless conspiracies about then-candidate Joe Biden.

www.cnn.com

What a read. They sure are a dirty bunch.

Telling the Ukraines to hire a non corrupt prosecutor is a crime to you?

That's not, but trying to get a foreign national to eliminate a political rival is.

Lock him up!

what's the code section?

The only people I know that have actually hired a foreign national to "eliminate" a political rival is the DNC and Clinton when they hired Steele....don't you remember that?

No, I don't remember that. My recollection is that Hillary hired Fusion GPS, an American based firm.

GPS Fusion, who then hired a foreigner. The fact that the process is one step remove doesn't get her off the hook. If it did, then candidates could pour unlimited amounts into foreign firms with the simple expedient of having their law firm spend the money.

Of course it does, unless you can show she was involved in the hiring of Christopher Steele. Just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean Hillary broke it.

what law are you referring to?

the principal-agent relationship and the law makes her responsible for her agents actions

I see nothing in the law that makes her responsible for the who Fusion GPS hired unless she was involved with who they hired.

And the law of which I speak is...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals​

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(a) Prohibition​

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It shall be unlawful for-​

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(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-​

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(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;​

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(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or​

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(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

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(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

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oh it wasn’t a donation...she didn’t violate that law. She paid the foreign national

As a benefit to Trump's campaign, it qualified as a contribution or other thing of value.

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

LOL

Uh, no, not even an American like Rudy is permitted by law to solicit campaign aid from a foreign national. I showed you the law... I don't see any exemptions in there for Rudy.

he’s certainly alllowe to ask for informasrik. the same the clinton campaign did with their agent Steele.

He wasn't simply asking for information. Why do you feel the need to lie like that? He asked the president of another country to find dirt on one of Trump's political rivals. And he asked for it to be public, so that it would politically damage Biden.

sure he was

just like steele did...and made it public

Nope, you're lying. He asked a foreign national to launch an investigation into Biden.

And why am I still waiting for you to show when Hillary took possession of the dossier?

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

when steele delivered his report

Rudy conducted an investigation? That's a laugh!

Rudy had no official gov't office from which to launch an investigation. He's a private citizen. He has no power to compel testimony under penalty of indictment or perjury.

But you can bet that he dropped President Trump's name at every opportunity as both a potential financial carrot of financial aid and a potential stick of a public rhetorical payback to anyone who decided to willingly climb aboard the Trump bandwagon of an anti-Biden campaign of disinformation.

private citizens can conduct investigations

they do it all the time

Giuliani is some very serious legal trouble here. When this is combined with all the other likely upcoming charges against Rudy, he'd better get himself the best lawyer he can find because he's sure going to need help staying out of prison.

And in case anyone misses the point, any criminal conspiracy to commit a crime which is planned and executed by a lawyer and his client effectively negates any protections of a lawyer/client privileged and confidential communication.

I certainly hope that Giuliani is fully prepared for when Trump disavows any knowledge of what his lawyer was doing because that's been Trump's MO for decades.

Exclusive: New audio of 2019 phone call reveals how Giuliani pressured Ukraine to investigate baseless Biden conspiracies

Never-before-heard audio, obtained exclusively by CNN, shows how former President Donald Trump's longtime adviser Rudy Giuliani relentlessly pressured and coaxed the Ukrainian government in 2019 to investigate baseless conspiracies about then-candidate Joe Biden.

www.cnn.com

What a read. They sure are a dirty bunch.

Telling the Ukraines to hire a non corrupt prosecutor is a crime to you?

That's not, but trying to get a foreign national to eliminate a political rival is.

Lock him up!

what's the code section?

The only people I know that have actually hired a foreign national to "eliminate" a political rival is the DNC and Clinton when they hired Steele....don't you remember that?

No, I don't remember that. My recollection is that Hillary hired Fusion GPS, an American based firm.

GPS Fusion, who then hired a foreigner. The fact that the process is one step remove doesn't get her off the hook. If it did, then candidates could pour unlimited amounts into foreign firms with the simple expedient of having their law firm spend the money.

Of course it does, unless you can show she was involved in the hiring of Christopher Steele. Just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean Hillary broke it.

what law are you referring to?

the principal-agent relationship and the law makes her responsible for her agents actions

I see nothing in the law that makes her responsible for the who Fusion GPS hired unless she was involved with who they hired.

And the law of which I speak is...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals​

​

(a) Prohibition​

​

It shall be unlawful for-​

​

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-​

​

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;​

​

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or​

​

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

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​

oh it wasn’t a donation...she didn’t violate that law. She paid the foreign national

As a benefit to Trump's campaign, it qualified as a contribution or other thing of value.

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

LOL

Uh, no, not even an American like Rudy is permitted by law to solicit campaign aid from a foreign national. I showed you the law... I don't see any exemptions in there for Rudy.

he’s certainly alllowe to ask for informasrik. the same the clinton campaign did with their agent Steele.

He wasn't simply asking for information. Why do you feel the need to lie like that? He asked the president of another country to find dirt on one of Trump's political rivals. And he asked for it to be public, so that it would politically damage Biden.

sure he was

just like steele did...and made it public

Nope, you're lying. He asked a foreign national to launch an investigation into Biden.

And why am I still waiting for you to show when Hillary took possession of the dossier?

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

when steele delivered his report

Rudy conducted an investigation? That's a laugh!

Rudy had no official gov't office from which to launch an investigation. He's a private citizen. He has no power to compel testimony under penalty of indictment or perjury.

But you can bet that he dropped President Trump's name at every opportunity as both a potential financial carrot of financial aid and a potential stick of a public rhetorical payback to anyone who decided to willingly climb aboard the Trump bandwagon of an anti-Biden campaign of disinformation.

what makes you think the Govt has a monopoly on the investigation business?

private citizens can and do conduct investigations all the time

You mean like a woman hiring a PI because she believes her husband is having an affair?

Other than that, a person who 'thinks' he's investigating someone just might find himself arrested for stalking.

There was always something suspicious about Trump using Giuliani and sending him to Ukraine.

You see, as president, Trump had the full weight of the US gov't at his disposal. That includes ambassadors and state dept. officials. But Trump was not only trying to circumvent proper channels, he wanted to keep what he was doing a secret. In fact, Giuliani actually undermined the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch. Why did that happen? Why was a private citizen who was working as the personal lawyer to the President, flying half way around the world to undermine a US ambassador in the minds of Us and Ukrainian officials? That's VERY suspicious!

or someone hiring a lawyer...lawyers investigate

or a campaign hiring a foreign spy to gather OP Research

You can investigate something without stalking someone...geez

There is absolutely nothing illegal about Rudy asking Ukraine officials to make public their probe of the Bidens activities with a corrupt gas company

What are you or a lawyer you hire going to be able to investigate? I guess you could get your hands on public records like a marriage certificate or real estate holdings, and court records. But you're not going to be able to get a hold of phone records, bank records, employment records, or driving records unless you break the law to do it. And if you follow someone around, that's still considered stalking.

As far as Rudy is concerned, he wasn't asking the Ukrainians to make any probe of the Bidens public because there's no evidence that there was any investigation, and even if there WAS an investigation of the Bidens, Rudy had no standing and no right to receive official Ukrainian records because he is a foreigner. But that wasn't what Rudy was doing. He was telling President Zelensky what Trump wanted him to say in a public statement in an effort to give the appearance of some kind of corruption which there is no known documentation to support. That's what's known as a smear campaign.

 

[WEATHER53]

Burning the flag is a pretty clear indication you don't exactly hold the USA in high regard

Burning the flag is a form of protected speech critical of government policies and consistent with the right to petition the government for redress of grievances.

Such political protest and speech critical of government is the highest form of patriotism and love of country.

Burning the flag is not speech. It’s a physical act.

 

[Mustang]

Biden voters are pathetic.

AND most importantly,hate America

Nope. Biden voters are patriots and for the most part have better manners than Trump hardliners.. That's why only 35% of the Republicans still back Trump..

90% of Republicans back Trump, you lying moron.

Here are some example of the manners of Biden voters:

Best evidence I've seen so far of a real insurrection, masked thugs attacking federal buildings with circular saws, mototov cocktails, and burned American flags.

Burning the flag is a pretty clear indication you don't exactly hold the USA in high regard and should make you considered an enemy of the state and put on an FBI watch list.

Burning the flag is legal.

Just don't burn the Confederate Flag, or you'll really piss them off.

 

[struth]

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

LOL

You just can't stop lying, huh? Again, Rudy asked Ukraine to conduct an investigation.

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

You're lying about that too. Again, Hillary, who has nothing to do with this btw, hired an American firm.

when steele delivered his report

Looks like you're lying about this too. Post the date she got it or you're lying.

That you can't stop lying reveals just how fragile your position is.

Hillary has everything to do with it. She paid for it. How is that not having something to do with it?

You're lying again. You really should stop because you only hurt your own position. Of course Giuliani asked Ukraine to investigate Biden...

"And all we need… all we need from the President is to say: I'm gonna put an honest prosecutor in charge, he's gonna investigate and dig up the evidence, that presently exists and is there any other evidence about involvement of the 2016 election."​

And Hillary has nothing to do with Rudy. You're obviously deflecting to mitigate damage to Rudy.

And dates showing Hillary gained possession of the dossier, as it appears you lied about that too.

No one said Hillary had anything to do with Rudy. She had to do with hiring Christopher Steel. The guy was on her payroll. Hillary gained possession when Fusion GPS hired Christopher Steel.

Who are you trying to fool?

Nope, he was on Fusion GPS payroll. Sweet, huh?

Fusion GPS was on her payroll.

No one is fooled.

Correct and Fusion GPS is an American firm.

That put a foreigner on its payroll while in the employ of Hillary Clinton.

It doesn’t make any difference how compelling, documented, and objective the evidence of rightwing crimes and incompetence – dishonest conservatives will still ignore, deflect, and lie.

but all your evidence of so called crimes is what the dnc and clinton did as well...well minus the fact Rudy is a US citizen and who they hired was a foreign spy

Nope, not the same.

Hillary solicited campaign aid from an American firm. Rudy, an American, solicited campaign aid from a foreign national.

so the american firm clinton hired is “guilty” of what rudy’s firm did?

and trump is as “guilty” as clinton for hiring rudy and she is for hiring the american. firm

They might be. As far as Trump, he too is guilty and should be charged by the DoJ since he to solicited campaign aid from a foreign national.

Wrong, shit for brains. Investigating corrupt politicians is not "soliciting campaign aid," no matter how much you want it to be.

well to be fair it certainly would

Giuliani is some very serious legal trouble here. When this is combined with all the other likely upcoming charges against Rudy, he'd better get himself the best lawyer he can find because he's sure going to need help staying out of prison.

And in case anyone misses the point, any criminal conspiracy to commit a crime which is planned and executed by a lawyer and his client effectively negates any protections of a lawyer/client privileged and confidential communication.

I certainly hope that Giuliani is fully prepared for when Trump disavows any knowledge of what his lawyer was doing because that's been Trump's MO for decades.

Exclusive: New audio of 2019 phone call reveals how Giuliani pressured Ukraine to investigate baseless Biden conspiracies

Never-before-heard audio, obtained exclusively by CNN, shows how former President Donald Trump's longtime adviser Rudy Giuliani relentlessly pressured and coaxed the Ukrainian government in 2019 to investigate baseless conspiracies about then-candidate Joe Biden.

www.cnn.com

What a read. They sure are a dirty bunch.

Telling the Ukraines to hire a non corrupt prosecutor is a crime to you?

That's not, but trying to get a foreign national to eliminate a political rival is.

Lock him up!

what's the code section?

The only people I know that have actually hired a foreign national to "eliminate" a political rival is the DNC and Clinton when they hired Steele....don't you remember that?

No, I don't remember that. My recollection is that Hillary hired Fusion GPS, an American based firm.

GPS Fusion, who then hired a foreigner. The fact that the process is one step remove doesn't get her off the hook. If it did, then candidates could pour unlimited amounts into foreign firms with the simple expedient of having their law firm spend the money.

Of course it does, unless you can show she was involved in the hiring of Christopher Steele. Just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean Hillary broke it.

what law are you referring to?

the principal-agent relationship and the law makes her responsible for her agents actions

I see nothing in the law that makes her responsible for the who Fusion GPS hired unless she was involved with who they hired.

And the law of which I speak is...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals​

​

(a) Prohibition​

​

It shall be unlawful for-​

​

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-​

​

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;​

​

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or​

​

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

​

​

oh it wasn’t a donation...she didn’t violate that law. She paid the foreign national

As a benefit to Trump's campaign, it qualified as a contribution or other thing of value.

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

LOL

Uh, no, not even an American like Rudy is permitted by law to solicit campaign aid from a foreign national. I showed you the law... I don't see any exemptions in there for Rudy.

he’s certainly alllowe to ask for informasrik. the same the clinton campaign did with their agent Steele.

He wasn't simply asking for information. Why do you feel the need to lie like that? He asked the president of another country to find dirt on one of Trump's political rivals. And he asked for it to be public, so that it would politically damage Biden.

sure he was

just like steele did...and made it public

Nope, you're lying. He asked a foreign national to launch an investigation into Biden.

And why am I still waiting for you to show when Hillary took possession of the dossier?

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

when steele delivered his report

Rudy conducted an investigation? That's a laugh!

Rudy had no official gov't office from which to launch an investigation. He's a private citizen. He has no power to compel testimony under penalty of indictment or perjury.

But you can bet that he dropped President Trump's name at every opportunity as both a potential financial carrot of financial aid and a potential stick of a public rhetorical payback to anyone who decided to willingly climb aboard the Trump bandwagon of an anti-Biden campaign of disinformation.

private citizens can conduct investigations

they do it all the time

Giuliani is some very serious legal trouble here. When this is combined with all the other likely upcoming charges against Rudy, he'd better get himself the best lawyer he can find because he's sure going to need help staying out of prison.

And in case anyone misses the point, any criminal conspiracy to commit a crime which is planned and executed by a lawyer and his client effectively negates any protections of a lawyer/client privileged and confidential communication.

I certainly hope that Giuliani is fully prepared for when Trump disavows any knowledge of what his lawyer was doing because that's been Trump's MO for decades.

Exclusive: New audio of 2019 phone call reveals how Giuliani pressured Ukraine to investigate baseless Biden conspiracies

Never-before-heard audio, obtained exclusively by CNN, shows how former President Donald Trump's longtime adviser Rudy Giuliani relentlessly pressured and coaxed the Ukrainian government in 2019 to investigate baseless conspiracies about then-candidate Joe Biden.

www.cnn.com

What a read. They sure are a dirty bunch.

Telling the Ukraines to hire a non corrupt prosecutor is a crime to you?

That's not, but trying to get a foreign national to eliminate a political rival is.

Lock him up!

what's the code section?

The only people I know that have actually hired a foreign national to "eliminate" a political rival is the DNC and Clinton when they hired Steele....don't you remember that?

No, I don't remember that. My recollection is that Hillary hired Fusion GPS, an American based firm.

GPS Fusion, who then hired a foreigner. The fact that the process is one step remove doesn't get her off the hook. If it did, then candidates could pour unlimited amounts into foreign firms with the simple expedient of having their law firm spend the money.

Of course it does, unless you can show she was involved in the hiring of Christopher Steele. Just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean Hillary broke it.

what law are you referring to?

the principal-agent relationship and the law makes her responsible for her agents actions

I see nothing in the law that makes her responsible for the who Fusion GPS hired unless she was involved with who they hired.

And the law of which I speak is...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals​

​

(a) Prohibition​

​

It shall be unlawful for-​

​

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-​

​

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;​

​

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or​

​

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

​

​

oh it wasn’t a donation...she didn’t violate that law. She paid the foreign national

As a benefit to Trump's campaign, it qualified as a contribution or other thing of value.

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

LOL

Uh, no, not even an American like Rudy is permitted by law to solicit campaign aid from a foreign national. I showed you the law... I don't see any exemptions in there for Rudy.

he’s certainly alllowe to ask for informasrik. the same the clinton campaign did with their agent Steele.

He wasn't simply asking for information. Why do you feel the need to lie like that? He asked the president of another country to find dirt on one of Trump's political rivals. And he asked for it to be public, so that it would politically damage Biden.

sure he was

just like steele did...and made it public

Nope, you're lying. He asked a foreign national to launch an investigation into Biden.

And why am I still waiting for you to show when Hillary took possession of the dossier?

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

when steele delivered his report

Rudy conducted an investigation? That's a laugh!

Rudy had no official gov't office from which to launch an investigation. He's a private citizen. He has no power to compel testimony under penalty of indictment or perjury.

But you can bet that he dropped President Trump's name at every opportunity as both a potential financial carrot of financial aid and a potential stick of a public rhetorical payback to anyone who decided to willingly climb aboard the Trump bandwagon of an anti-Biden campaign of disinformation.

what makes you think the Govt has a monopoly on the investigation business?

private citizens can and do conduct investigations all the time

You mean like a woman hiring a PI because she believes her husband is having an affair?

Other than that, a person who 'thinks' he's investigating someone just might find himself arrested for stalking.

There was always something suspicious about Trump using Giuliani and sending him to Ukraine.

You see, as president, Trump had the full weight of the US gov't at his disposal. That includes ambassadors and state dept. officials. But Trump was not only trying to circumvent proper channels, he wanted to keep what he was doing a secret. In fact, Giuliani actually undermined the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch. Why did that happen? Why was a private citizen who was working as the personal lawyer to the President, flying half way around the world to undermine a US ambassador in the minds of Us and Ukrainian officials? That's VERY suspicious!

or someone hiring a lawyer...lawyers investigate

or a campaign hiring a foreign spy to gather OP Research

You can investigate something without stalking someone...geez

There is absolutely nothing illegal about Rudy asking Ukraine officials to make public their probe of the Bidens activities with a corrupt gas company

What are you or a lawyer you hire going to be able to investigate? I guess you could get your hands on public records like a marriage certificate or real estate holdings, and court records. But you're not going to be able to get a hold of phone records, bank records, employment records, or driving records unless you break the law to do it. And if you follow someone around, that's still considered stalking.

As far as Rudy is concerned, he wasn't asking the Ukrainians to make any probe of the Bidens public because there's no evidence that there was any investigation, and even if there WAS an investigation of the Bidens, Rudy had no standing and no right to receive official Ukrainian records because he is a foreigner. But that wasn't what Rudy was doing. He was telling President Zelensky what Trump wanted him to say in a public statement in an effort to give the appearance of some kind of corruption which there is no known documentation to support. That's what's known as a smear campaign.

a lawyer has subpoena power, but can also simply go ask questions of people

no i agree he wasn’t asking them to do anything they weren’t doing..he just wanted them to acknowledge what was happening.

 

[struth]

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

LOL

You just can't stop lying, huh? Again, Rudy asked Ukraine to conduct an investigation.

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

You're lying about that too. Again, Hillary, who has nothing to do with this btw, hired an American firm.

when steele delivered his report

Looks like you're lying about this too. Post the date she got it or you're lying.

That you can't stop lying reveals just how fragile your position is.

Hillary has everything to do with it. She paid for it. How is that not having something to do with it?

You're lying again. You really should stop because you only hurt your own position. Of course Giuliani asked Ukraine to investigate Biden...

"And all we need… all we need from the President is to say: I'm gonna put an honest prosecutor in charge, he's gonna investigate and dig up the evidence, that presently exists and is there any other evidence about involvement of the 2016 election."​

And Hillary has nothing to do with Rudy. You're obviously deflecting to mitigate damage to Rudy.

And dates showing Hillary gained possession of the dossier, as it appears you lied about that too.

No one said Hillary had anything to do with Rudy. She had to do with hiring Christopher Steel. The guy was on her payroll. Hillary gained possession when Fusion GPS hired Christopher Steel.

Who are you trying to fool?

Nope, he was on Fusion GPS payroll. Sweet, huh?

Fusion GPS was on her payroll.

No one is fooled.

Correct and Fusion GPS is an American firm.

That put a foreigner on its payroll while in the employ of Hillary Clinton.

Yeah, so?

They broke our election laws, moron.

LOLOL

You failed to prove that, fucking moron. Again, you have to show she was involved with hiring Steele. Just saying, she had to have been only proves you're a fucking moron.

No you don't, NAZI. Both she and Fusion GPS knew the law. They also knew that Christopher Steel was a foreigner.

Case closed.

Have you ever heard of Paul Singer. He's a Jewish Billionaire Republican who hated Trump.

Trump dossier triggered by website funded by Jewish GOP mega-donor

Washington Free Beacon, supported by pro-Israel philanthropist Paul Singer, says it retained firm to do opposition research, but denies knowledge of file with damning allegations

www.timesofisrael.com

What does that matter? HIllary paid him. Case closed.

No she didn't.. You don't have any shame.. That's why you voted for Trump... Neither does he.. NO lie is too vile for Trump.

The fact that she paid him is indisputable.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. Nor does it matter how many times you repeat it.

what’s the lie? she did

 

[colfax_m]

Burning the flag is not speech. It’s a physical act.

Speaking is a physical act too.

Expression takes many forms.

 

[struth]

Giuliani is some very serious legal trouble here. When this is combined with all the other likely upcoming charges against Rudy, he'd better get himself the best lawyer he can find because he's sure going to need help staying out of prison.

And in case anyone misses the point, any criminal conspiracy to commit a crime which is planned and executed by a lawyer and his client effectively negates any protections of a lawyer/client privileged and confidential communication.

I certainly hope that Giuliani is fully prepared for when Trump disavows any knowledge of what his lawyer was doing because that's been Trump's MO for decades.

Exclusive: New audio of 2019 phone call reveals how Giuliani pressured Ukraine to investigate baseless Biden conspiracies

Never-before-heard audio, obtained exclusively by CNN, shows how former President Donald Trump's longtime adviser Rudy Giuliani relentlessly pressured and coaxed the Ukrainian government in 2019 to investigate baseless conspiracies about then-candidate Joe Biden.

www.cnn.com

What a read. They sure are a dirty bunch.

Telling the Ukraines to hire a non corrupt prosecutor is a crime to you?

That's not, but trying to get a foreign national to eliminate a political rival is.

Lock him up!

what's the code section?

The only people I know that have actually hired a foreign national to "eliminate" a political rival is the DNC and Clinton when they hired Steele....don't you remember that?

No, I don't remember that. My recollection is that Hillary hired Fusion GPS, an American based firm.

GPS Fusion, who then hired a foreigner. The fact that the process is one step remove doesn't get her off the hook. If it did, then candidates could pour unlimited amounts into foreign firms with the simple expedient of having their law firm spend the money.

Of course it does, unless you can show she was involved in the hiring of Christopher Steele. Just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean Hillary broke it.

what law are you referring to?

the principal-agent relationship and the law makes her responsible for her agents actions

I see nothing in the law that makes her responsible for the who Fusion GPS hired unless she was involved with who they hired.

And the law of which I speak is...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals​

​

(a) Prohibition​

​

It shall be unlawful for-​

​

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-​

​

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;​

​

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or​

​

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

​

​

oh it wasn’t a donation...she didn’t violate that law. She paid the foreign national

As a benefit to Trump's campaign, it qualified as a contribution or other thing of value.

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

LOL

Uh, no, not even an American like Rudy is permitted by law to solicit campaign aid from a foreign national. I showed you the law... I don't see any exemptions in there for Rudy.

he’s certainly alllowe to ask for informasrik. the same the clinton campaign did with their agent Steele.

He wasn't simply asking for information. Why do you feel the need to lie like that? He asked the president of another country to find dirt on one of Trump's political rivals. And he asked for it to be public, so that it would politically damage Biden.

sure he was

just like steele did...and made it public

Nope, you're lying. He asked a foreign national to launch an investigation into Biden.

And why am I still waiting for you to show when Hillary took possession of the dossier?

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

when steele delivered his report

Rudy conducted an investigation? That's a laugh!

Rudy had no official gov't office from which to launch an investigation. He's a private citizen. He has no power to compel testimony under penalty of indictment or perjury.

But you can bet that he dropped President Trump's name at every opportunity as both a potential financial carrot of financial aid and a potential stick of a public rhetorical payback to anyone who decided to willingly climb aboard the Trump bandwagon of an anti-Biden campaign of disinformation.

private citizens can conduct investigations

they do it all the time

Giuliani is some very serious legal trouble here. When this is combined with all the other likely upcoming charges against Rudy, he'd better get himself the best lawyer he can find because he's sure going to need help staying out of prison.

And in case anyone misses the point, any criminal conspiracy to commit a crime which is planned and executed by a lawyer and his client effectively negates any protections of a lawyer/client privileged and confidential communication.

I certainly hope that Giuliani is fully prepared for when Trump disavows any knowledge of what his lawyer was doing because that's been Trump's MO for decades.

Exclusive: New audio of 2019 phone call reveals how Giuliani pressured Ukraine to investigate baseless Biden conspiracies

Never-before-heard audio, obtained exclusively by CNN, shows how former President Donald Trump's longtime adviser Rudy Giuliani relentlessly pressured and coaxed the Ukrainian government in 2019 to investigate baseless conspiracies about then-candidate Joe Biden.

www.cnn.com

What a read. They sure are a dirty bunch.

Telling the Ukraines to hire a non corrupt prosecutor is a crime to you?

That's not, but trying to get a foreign national to eliminate a political rival is.

Lock him up!

what's the code section?

The only people I know that have actually hired a foreign national to "eliminate" a political rival is the DNC and Clinton when they hired Steele....don't you remember that?

No, I don't remember that. My recollection is that Hillary hired Fusion GPS, an American based firm.

GPS Fusion, who then hired a foreigner. The fact that the process is one step remove doesn't get her off the hook. If it did, then candidates could pour unlimited amounts into foreign firms with the simple expedient of having their law firm spend the money.

Of course it does, unless you can show she was involved in the hiring of Christopher Steele. Just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean Hillary broke it.

what law are you referring to?

the principal-agent relationship and the law makes her responsible for her agents actions

I see nothing in the law that makes her responsible for the who Fusion GPS hired unless she was involved with who they hired.

And the law of which I speak is...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals​

​

(a) Prohibition​

​

It shall be unlawful for-​

​

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-​

​

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;​

​

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or​

​

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

​

​

oh it wasn’t a donation...she didn’t violate that law. She paid the foreign national

As a benefit to Trump's campaign, it qualified as a contribution or other thing of value.

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

LOL

Uh, no, not even an American like Rudy is permitted by law to solicit campaign aid from a foreign national. I showed you the law... I don't see any exemptions in there for Rudy.

he’s certainly alllowe to ask for informasrik. the same the clinton campaign did with their agent Steele.

He wasn't simply asking for information. Why do you feel the need to lie like that? He asked the president of another country to find dirt on one of Trump's political rivals. And he asked for it to be public, so that it would politically damage Biden.

sure he was

just like steele did...and made it public

Nope, you're lying. He asked a foreign national to launch an investigation into Biden.

And why am I still waiting for you to show when Hillary took possession of the dossier?

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

when steele delivered his report

Rudy conducted an investigation? That's a laugh!

Rudy had no official gov't office from which to launch an investigation. He's a private citizen. He has no power to compel testimony under penalty of indictment or perjury.

But you can bet that he dropped President Trump's name at every opportunity as both a potential financial carrot of financial aid and a potential stick of a public rhetorical payback to anyone who decided to willingly climb aboard the Trump bandwagon of an anti-Biden campaign of disinformation.

what makes you think the Govt has a monopoly on the investigation business?

private citizens can and do conduct investigations all the time

You mean like a woman hiring a PI because she believes her husband is having an affair?

Other than that, a person who 'thinks' he's investigating someone just might find himself arrested for stalking.

There was always something suspicious about Trump using Giuliani and sending him to Ukraine.

You see, as president, Trump had the full weight of the US gov't at his disposal. That includes ambassadors and state dept. officials. But Trump was not only trying to circumvent proper channels, he wanted to keep what he was doing a secret. In fact, Giuliani actually undermined the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch. Why did that happen? Why was a private citizen who was working as the personal lawyer to the President, flying half way around the world to undermine a US ambassador in the minds of Us and Ukrainian officials? That's VERY suspicious!

or someone hiring a lawyer...lawyers investigate

or a campaign hiring a foreign spy to gather OP Research

You can investigate something without stalking someone...geez

There is absolutely nothing illegal about Rudy asking Ukraine officials to make public their probe of the Bidens activities with a corrupt gas company

Then why did Trump & Giuliani try to get them to publicly open an investigation? What did he hope to gain?

they didn’t. ruby just wanted them to acknowledge what they were already doin

 

[struth]

Burning the flag is a pretty clear indication you don't exactly hold the USA in high regard

Burning the flag is a form of protected speech critical of government policies and consistent with the right to petition the government for redress of grievances.

Such political protest and speech critical of government is the highest form of patriotism and love of country.

Burning the flag is not speech. It’s a physical act.

um no it’s speech

 

[DrLove]

Burning the flag is a pretty clear indication you don't exactly hold the USA in high regard

Burning the flag is a form of protected speech critical of government policies and consistent with the right to petition the government for redress of grievances.

Such political protest and speech critical of government is the highest form of patriotism and love of country.

Burning the flag is not speech. It’s a physical act.

What about pummeling a Capitol Cop
into near death with a Rump or USA flagpole - Protected speech in your world also??

 

[Mustang]

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

LOL

You just can't stop lying, huh? Again, Rudy asked Ukraine to conduct an investigation.

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

You're lying about that too. Again, Hillary, who has nothing to do with this btw, hired an American firm.

when steele delivered his report

Looks like you're lying about this too. Post the date she got it or you're lying.

That you can't stop lying reveals just how fragile your position is.

Hillary has everything to do with it. She paid for it. How is that not having something to do with it?

You're lying again. You really should stop because you only hurt your own position. Of course Giuliani asked Ukraine to investigate Biden...

"And all we need… all we need from the President is to say: I'm gonna put an honest prosecutor in charge, he's gonna investigate and dig up the evidence, that presently exists and is there any other evidence about involvement of the 2016 election."​

And Hillary has nothing to do with Rudy. You're obviously deflecting to mitigate damage to Rudy.

And dates showing Hillary gained possession of the dossier, as it appears you lied about that too.

No one said Hillary had anything to do with Rudy. She had to do with hiring Christopher Steel. The guy was on her payroll. Hillary gained possession when Fusion GPS hired Christopher Steel.

Who are you trying to fool?

Nope, he was on Fusion GPS payroll. Sweet, huh?

Fusion GPS was on her payroll.

No one is fooled.

Correct and Fusion GPS is an American firm.

That put a foreigner on its payroll while in the employ of Hillary Clinton.

It doesn’t make any difference how compelling, documented, and objective the evidence of rightwing crimes and incompetence – dishonest conservatives will still ignore, deflect, and lie.

but all your evidence of so called crimes is what the dnc and clinton did as well...well minus the fact Rudy is a US citizen and who they hired was a foreign spy

Nope, not the same.

Hillary solicited campaign aid from an American firm. Rudy, an American, solicited campaign aid from a foreign national.

so the american firm clinton hired is “guilty” of what rudy’s firm did?

and trump is as “guilty” as clinton for hiring rudy and she is for hiring the american. firm

They might be. As far as Trump, he too is guilty and should be charged by the DoJ since he to solicited campaign aid from a foreign national.

Wrong, shit for brains. Investigating corrupt politicians is not "soliciting campaign aid," no matter how much you want it to be.

well to be fair it certainly would

Giuliani is some very serious legal trouble here. When this is combined with all the other likely upcoming charges against Rudy, he'd better get himself the best lawyer he can find because he's sure going to need help staying out of prison.

And in case anyone misses the point, any criminal conspiracy to commit a crime which is planned and executed by a lawyer and his client effectively negates any protections of a lawyer/client privileged and confidential communication.

I certainly hope that Giuliani is fully prepared for when Trump disavows any knowledge of what his lawyer was doing because that's been Trump's MO for decades.

Exclusive: New audio of 2019 phone call reveals how Giuliani pressured Ukraine to investigate baseless Biden conspiracies

Never-before-heard audio, obtained exclusively by CNN, shows how former President Donald Trump's longtime adviser Rudy Giuliani relentlessly pressured and coaxed the Ukrainian government in 2019 to investigate baseless conspiracies about then-candidate Joe Biden.

www.cnn.com

What a read. They sure are a dirty bunch.

Telling the Ukraines to hire a non corrupt prosecutor is a crime to you?

That's not, but trying to get a foreign national to eliminate a political rival is.

Lock him up!

what's the code section?

The only people I know that have actually hired a foreign national to "eliminate" a political rival is the DNC and Clinton when they hired Steele....don't you remember that?

No, I don't remember that. My recollection is that Hillary hired Fusion GPS, an American based firm.

GPS Fusion, who then hired a foreigner. The fact that the process is one step remove doesn't get her off the hook. If it did, then candidates could pour unlimited amounts into foreign firms with the simple expedient of having their law firm spend the money.

Of course it does, unless you can show she was involved in the hiring of Christopher Steele. Just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean Hillary broke it.

what law are you referring to?

the principal-agent relationship and the law makes her responsible for her agents actions

I see nothing in the law that makes her responsible for the who Fusion GPS hired unless she was involved with who they hired.

And the law of which I speak is...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals​

​

(a) Prohibition​

​

It shall be unlawful for-​

​

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-​

​

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;​

​

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or​

​

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

​

​

oh it wasn’t a donation...she didn’t violate that law. She paid the foreign national

As a benefit to Trump's campaign, it qualified as a contribution or other thing of value.

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

LOL

Uh, no, not even an American like Rudy is permitted by law to solicit campaign aid from a foreign national. I showed you the law... I don't see any exemptions in there for Rudy.

he’s certainly alllowe to ask for informasrik. the same the clinton campaign did with their agent Steele.

He wasn't simply asking for information. Why do you feel the need to lie like that? He asked the president of another country to find dirt on one of Trump's political rivals. And he asked for it to be public, so that it would politically damage Biden.

sure he was

just like steele did...and made it public

Nope, you're lying. He asked a foreign national to launch an investigation into Biden.

And why am I still waiting for you to show when Hillary took possession of the dossier?

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

when steele delivered his report

Rudy conducted an investigation? That's a laugh!

Rudy had no official gov't office from which to launch an investigation. He's a private citizen. He has no power to compel testimony under penalty of indictment or perjury.

But you can bet that he dropped President Trump's name at every opportunity as both a potential financial carrot of financial aid and a potential stick of a public rhetorical payback to anyone who decided to willingly climb aboard the Trump bandwagon of an anti-Biden campaign of disinformation.

private citizens can conduct investigations

they do it all the time

Giuliani is some very serious legal trouble here. When this is combined with all the other likely upcoming charges against Rudy, he'd better get himself the best lawyer he can find because he's sure going to need help staying out of prison.

And in case anyone misses the point, any criminal conspiracy to commit a crime which is planned and executed by a lawyer and his client effectively negates any protections of a lawyer/client privileged and confidential communication.

I certainly hope that Giuliani is fully prepared for when Trump disavows any knowledge of what his lawyer was doing because that's been Trump's MO for decades.

Exclusive: New audio of 2019 phone call reveals how Giuliani pressured Ukraine to investigate baseless Biden conspiracies

Never-before-heard audio, obtained exclusively by CNN, shows how former President Donald Trump's longtime adviser Rudy Giuliani relentlessly pressured and coaxed the Ukrainian government in 2019 to investigate baseless conspiracies about then-candidate Joe Biden.

www.cnn.com

What a read. They sure are a dirty bunch.

Telling the Ukraines to hire a non corrupt prosecutor is a crime to you?

That's not, but trying to get a foreign national to eliminate a political rival is.

Lock him up!

what's the code section?

The only people I know that have actually hired a foreign national to "eliminate" a political rival is the DNC and Clinton when they hired Steele....don't you remember that?

No, I don't remember that. My recollection is that Hillary hired Fusion GPS, an American based firm.

GPS Fusion, who then hired a foreigner. The fact that the process is one step remove doesn't get her off the hook. If it did, then candidates could pour unlimited amounts into foreign firms with the simple expedient of having their law firm spend the money.

Of course it does, unless you can show she was involved in the hiring of Christopher Steele. Just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean Hillary broke it.

what law are you referring to?

the principal-agent relationship and the law makes her responsible for her agents actions

I see nothing in the law that makes her responsible for the who Fusion GPS hired unless she was involved with who they hired.

And the law of which I speak is...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals​

​

(a) Prohibition​

​

It shall be unlawful for-​

​

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-​

​

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;​

​

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or​

​

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

​

​

oh it wasn’t a donation...she didn’t violate that law. She paid the foreign national

As a benefit to Trump's campaign, it qualified as a contribution or other thing of value.

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

LOL

Uh, no, not even an American like Rudy is permitted by law to solicit campaign aid from a foreign national. I showed you the law... I don't see any exemptions in there for Rudy.

he’s certainly alllowe to ask for informasrik. the same the clinton campaign did with their agent Steele.

He wasn't simply asking for information. Why do you feel the need to lie like that? He asked the president of another country to find dirt on one of Trump's political rivals. And he asked for it to be public, so that it would politically damage Biden.

sure he was

just like steele did...and made it public

Nope, you're lying. He asked a foreign national to launch an investigation into Biden.

And why am I still waiting for you to show when Hillary took possession of the dossier?

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

when steele delivered his report

Rudy conducted an investigation? That's a laugh!

Rudy had no official gov't office from which to launch an investigation. He's a private citizen. He has no power to compel testimony under penalty of indictment or perjury.

But you can bet that he dropped President Trump's name at every opportunity as both a potential financial carrot of financial aid and a potential stick of a public rhetorical payback to anyone who decided to willingly climb aboard the Trump bandwagon of an anti-Biden campaign of disinformation.

what makes you think the Govt has a monopoly on the investigation business?

private citizens can and do conduct investigations all the time

You mean like a woman hiring a PI because she believes her husband is having an affair?

Other than that, a person who 'thinks' he's investigating someone just might find himself arrested for stalking.

There was always something suspicious about Trump using Giuliani and sending him to Ukraine.

You see, as president, Trump had the full weight of the US gov't at his disposal. That includes ambassadors and state dept. officials. But Trump was not only trying to circumvent proper channels, he wanted to keep what he was doing a secret. In fact, Giuliani actually undermined the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch. Why did that happen? Why was a private citizen who was working as the personal lawyer to the President, flying half way around the world to undermine a US ambassador in the minds of Us and Ukrainian officials? That's VERY suspicious!

or someone hiring a lawyer...lawyers investigate

or a campaign hiring a foreign spy to gather OP Research

You can investigate something without stalking someone...geez

There is absolutely nothing illegal about Rudy asking Ukraine officials to make public their probe of the Bidens activities with a corrupt gas company

What are you or a lawyer you hire going to be able to investigate? I guess you could get your hands on public records like a marriage certificate or real estate holdings, and court records. But you're not going to be able to get a hold of phone records, bank records, employment records, or driving records unless you break the law to do it. And if you follow someone around, that's still considered stalking.

As far as Rudy is concerned, he wasn't asking the Ukrainians to make any probe of the Bidens public because there's no evidence that there was any investigation, and even if there WAS an investigation of the Bidens, Rudy had no standing and no right to receive official Ukrainian records because he is a foreigner. But that wasn't what Rudy was doing. He was telling President Zelensky what Trump wanted him to say in a public statement in an effort to give the appearance of some kind of corruption which there is no known documentation to support. That's what's known as a smear campaign.

a lawyer has subpoena power, but can also simply go ask questions of people

no i agree he wasn’t asking them to do anything they weren’t doing..he just wanted them to acknowledge what was happening.

You're on very weak ground.

A lawyer may have subpoena power but only in the context of a pending criminal case or a civil lawsuit which means the court system is already involved in a legal proceeding. Without the courts being involved (because the state sanctions the subpoena), no lawyer can issue subpoenas to access your confidential records anymore than they could issue a search warrant in order to search your home. Any attempt to give that impression would lead to criminal charges, misconduct charges, and likely disbarment.

 

[Mustang]

Giuliani is some very serious legal trouble here. When this is combined with all the other likely upcoming charges against Rudy, he'd better get himself the best lawyer he can find because he's sure going to need help staying out of prison.

And in case anyone misses the point, any criminal conspiracy to commit a crime which is planned and executed by a lawyer and his client effectively negates any protections of a lawyer/client privileged and confidential communication.

I certainly hope that Giuliani is fully prepared for when Trump disavows any knowledge of what his lawyer was doing because that's been Trump's MO for decades.

Exclusive: New audio of 2019 phone call reveals how Giuliani pressured Ukraine to investigate baseless Biden conspiracies

Never-before-heard audio, obtained exclusively by CNN, shows how former President Donald Trump's longtime adviser Rudy Giuliani relentlessly pressured and coaxed the Ukrainian government in 2019 to investigate baseless conspiracies about then-candidate Joe Biden.

www.cnn.com

What a read. They sure are a dirty bunch.

Telling the Ukraines to hire a non corrupt prosecutor is a crime to you?

That's not, but trying to get a foreign national to eliminate a political rival is.

Lock him up!

what's the code section?

The only people I know that have actually hired a foreign national to "eliminate" a political rival is the DNC and Clinton when they hired Steele....don't you remember that?

No, I don't remember that. My recollection is that Hillary hired Fusion GPS, an American based firm.

GPS Fusion, who then hired a foreigner. The fact that the process is one step remove doesn't get her off the hook. If it did, then candidates could pour unlimited amounts into foreign firms with the simple expedient of having their law firm spend the money.

Of course it does, unless you can show she was involved in the hiring of Christopher Steele. Just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean Hillary broke it.

what law are you referring to?

the principal-agent relationship and the law makes her responsible for her agents actions

I see nothing in the law that makes her responsible for the who Fusion GPS hired unless she was involved with who they hired.

And the law of which I speak is...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals​

​

(a) Prohibition​

​

It shall be unlawful for-​

​

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-​

​

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;​

​

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or​

​

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

​

​

oh it wasn’t a donation...she didn’t violate that law. She paid the foreign national

As a benefit to Trump's campaign, it qualified as a contribution or other thing of value.

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

LOL

Uh, no, not even an American like Rudy is permitted by law to solicit campaign aid from a foreign national. I showed you the law... I don't see any exemptions in there for Rudy.

he’s certainly alllowe to ask for informasrik. the same the clinton campaign did with their agent Steele.

He wasn't simply asking for information. Why do you feel the need to lie like that? He asked the president of another country to find dirt on one of Trump's political rivals. And he asked for it to be public, so that it would politically damage Biden.

sure he was

just like steele did...and made it public

Nope, you're lying. He asked a foreign national to launch an investigation into Biden.

And why am I still waiting for you to show when Hillary took possession of the dossier?

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

when steele delivered his report

Rudy conducted an investigation? That's a laugh!

Rudy had no official gov't office from which to launch an investigation. He's a private citizen. He has no power to compel testimony under penalty of indictment or perjury.

But you can bet that he dropped President Trump's name at every opportunity as both a potential financial carrot of financial aid and a potential stick of a public rhetorical payback to anyone who decided to willingly climb aboard the Trump bandwagon of an anti-Biden campaign of disinformation.

private citizens can conduct investigations

they do it all the time

Giuliani is some very serious legal trouble here. When this is combined with all the other likely upcoming charges against Rudy, he'd better get himself the best lawyer he can find because he's sure going to need help staying out of prison.

And in case anyone misses the point, any criminal conspiracy to commit a crime which is planned and executed by a lawyer and his client effectively negates any protections of a lawyer/client privileged and confidential communication.

I certainly hope that Giuliani is fully prepared for when Trump disavows any knowledge of what his lawyer was doing because that's been Trump's MO for decades.

Exclusive: New audio of 2019 phone call reveals how Giuliani pressured Ukraine to investigate baseless Biden conspiracies

Never-before-heard audio, obtained exclusively by CNN, shows how former President Donald Trump's longtime adviser Rudy Giuliani relentlessly pressured and coaxed the Ukrainian government in 2019 to investigate baseless conspiracies about then-candidate Joe Biden.

www.cnn.com

What a read. They sure are a dirty bunch.

Telling the Ukraines to hire a non corrupt prosecutor is a crime to you?

That's not, but trying to get a foreign national to eliminate a political rival is.

Lock him up!

what's the code section?

The only people I know that have actually hired a foreign national to "eliminate" a political rival is the DNC and Clinton when they hired Steele....don't you remember that?

No, I don't remember that. My recollection is that Hillary hired Fusion GPS, an American based firm.

GPS Fusion, who then hired a foreigner. The fact that the process is one step remove doesn't get her off the hook. If it did, then candidates could pour unlimited amounts into foreign firms with the simple expedient of having their law firm spend the money.

Of course it does, unless you can show she was involved in the hiring of Christopher Steele. Just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean Hillary broke it.

what law are you referring to?

the principal-agent relationship and the law makes her responsible for her agents actions

I see nothing in the law that makes her responsible for the who Fusion GPS hired unless she was involved with who they hired.

And the law of which I speak is...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals​

​

(a) Prohibition​

​

It shall be unlawful for-​

​

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-​

​

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;​

​

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or​

​

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

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(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

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oh it wasn’t a donation...she didn’t violate that law. She paid the foreign national

As a benefit to Trump's campaign, it qualified as a contribution or other thing of value.

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

LOL

Uh, no, not even an American like Rudy is permitted by law to solicit campaign aid from a foreign national. I showed you the law... I don't see any exemptions in there for Rudy.

he’s certainly alllowe to ask for informasrik. the same the clinton campaign did with their agent Steele.

He wasn't simply asking for information. Why do you feel the need to lie like that? He asked the president of another country to find dirt on one of Trump's political rivals. And he asked for it to be public, so that it would politically damage Biden.

sure he was

just like steele did...and made it public

Nope, you're lying. He asked a foreign national to launch an investigation into Biden.

And why am I still waiting for you to show when Hillary took possession of the dossier?

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

when steele delivered his report

Rudy conducted an investigation? That's a laugh!

Rudy had no official gov't office from which to launch an investigation. He's a private citizen. He has no power to compel testimony under penalty of indictment or perjury.

But you can bet that he dropped President Trump's name at every opportunity as both a potential financial carrot of financial aid and a potential stick of a public rhetorical payback to anyone who decided to willingly climb aboard the Trump bandwagon of an anti-Biden campaign of disinformation.

what makes you think the Govt has a monopoly on the investigation business?

private citizens can and do conduct investigations all the time

You mean like a woman hiring a PI because she believes her husband is having an affair?

Other than that, a person who 'thinks' he's investigating someone just might find himself arrested for stalking.

There was always something suspicious about Trump using Giuliani and sending him to Ukraine.

You see, as president, Trump had the full weight of the US gov't at his disposal. That includes ambassadors and state dept. officials. But Trump was not only trying to circumvent proper channels, he wanted to keep what he was doing a secret. In fact, Giuliani actually undermined the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch. Why did that happen? Why was a private citizen who was working as the personal lawyer to the President, flying half way around the world to undermine a US ambassador in the minds of Us and Ukrainian officials? That's VERY suspicious!

or someone hiring a lawyer...lawyers investigate

or a campaign hiring a foreign spy to gather OP Research

You can investigate something without stalking someone...geez

There is absolutely nothing illegal about Rudy asking Ukraine officials to make public their probe of the Bidens activities with a corrupt gas company

Then why did Trump & Giuliani try to get them to publicly open an investigation? What did he hope to gain?

they didn’t. ruby just wanted them to acknowledge what they were already doin

How did Rudy supposedly know what the Ukrainians were doing when no public statement had been released to indicate that it was happening?

 

[Faun]

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

LOL

You just can't stop lying, huh? Again, Rudy asked Ukraine to conduct an investigation.

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

You're lying about that too. Again, Hillary, who has nothing to do with this btw, hired an American firm.

when steele delivered his report

Looks like you're lying about this too. Post the date she got it or you're lying.

That you can't stop lying reveals just how fragile your position is.

Hillary has everything to do with it. She paid for it. How is that not having something to do with it?

You're lying again. You really should stop because you only hurt your own position. Of course Giuliani asked Ukraine to investigate Biden...

"And all we need… all we need from the President is to say: I'm gonna put an honest prosecutor in charge, he's gonna investigate and dig up the evidence, that presently exists and is there any other evidence about involvement of the 2016 election."​

And Hillary has nothing to do with Rudy. You're obviously deflecting to mitigate damage to Rudy.

And dates showing Hillary gained possession of the dossier, as it appears you lied about that too.

No one said Hillary had anything to do with Rudy. She had to do with hiring Christopher Steel. The guy was on her payroll. Hillary gained possession when Fusion GPS hired Christopher Steel.

Who are you trying to fool?

Nope, he was on Fusion GPS payroll. Sweet, huh?

Fusion GPS was on her payroll.

No one is fooled.

Correct and Fusion GPS is an American firm.

That put a foreigner on its payroll while in the employ of Hillary Clinton.

Yeah, so?

They broke our election laws, moron.

LOLOL

You failed to prove that, fucking moron. Again, you have to show she was involved with hiring Steele. Just saying, she had to have been only proves you're a fucking moron.

No you don't, NAZI. Both she and Fusion GPS knew the law. They also knew that Christopher Steel was a foreigner.

Case closed.

Have you ever heard of Paul Singer. He's a Jewish Billionaire Republican who hated Trump.

Trump dossier triggered by website funded by Jewish GOP mega-donor

Washington Free Beacon, supported by pro-Israel philanthropist Paul Singer, says it retained firm to do opposition research, but denies knowledge of file with damning allegations

www.timesofisrael.com

What does that matter? HIllary paid him. Case closed.

No she didn't.. You don't have any shame.. That's why you voted for Trump... Neither does he.. NO lie is too vile for Trump.

The fact that she paid him is indisputable.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. Nor does it matter how many times you repeat it.

what’s the lie? she did

That's the lie. She didn't. Fusion GPS did.

 

[WEATHER53]

Burning the flag is not speech. It’s a physical act.

Speaking is a physical act too.

Expression takes many forms.

Incorrect. Speech is audible. Handling and igniting a flag is a physical act.

 

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rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

LOL

You just can't stop lying, huh? Again, Rudy asked Ukraine to conduct an investigation.

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

You're lying about that too. Again, Hillary, who has nothing to do with this btw, hired an American firm.

when steele delivered his report

Looks like you're lying about this too. Post the date she got it or you're lying.

That you can't stop lying reveals just how fragile your position is.

Hillary has everything to do with it. She paid for it. How is that not having something to do with it?

You're lying again. You really should stop because you only hurt your own position. Of course Giuliani asked Ukraine to investigate Biden...

"And all we need… all we need from the President is to say: I'm gonna put an honest prosecutor in charge, he's gonna investigate and dig up the evidence, that presently exists and is there any other evidence about involvement of the 2016 election."​

And Hillary has nothing to do with Rudy. You're obviously deflecting to mitigate damage to Rudy.

And dates showing Hillary gained possession of the dossier, as it appears you lied about that too.

No one said Hillary had anything to do with Rudy. She had to do with hiring Christopher Steel. The guy was on her payroll. Hillary gained possession when Fusion GPS hired Christopher Steel.

Who are you trying to fool?

Nope, he was on Fusion GPS payroll. Sweet, huh?

Fusion GPS was on her payroll.

No one is fooled.

Correct and Fusion GPS is an American firm.

That put a foreigner on its payroll while in the employ of Hillary Clinton.

It doesn’t make any difference how compelling, documented, and objective the evidence of rightwing crimes and incompetence – dishonest conservatives will still ignore, deflect, and lie.

but all your evidence of so called crimes is what the dnc and clinton did as well...well minus the fact Rudy is a US citizen and who they hired was a foreign spy

Nope, not the same.

Hillary solicited campaign aid from an American firm. Rudy, an American, solicited campaign aid from a foreign national.

so the american firm clinton hired is “guilty” of what rudy’s firm did?

and trump is as “guilty” as clinton for hiring rudy and she is for hiring the american. firm

They might be. As far as Trump, he too is guilty and should be charged by the DoJ since he to solicited campaign aid from a foreign national.

Wrong, shit for brains. Investigating corrupt politicians is not "soliciting campaign aid," no matter how much you want it to be.

well to be fair it certainly would

Giuliani is some very serious legal trouble here. When this is combined with all the other likely upcoming charges against Rudy, he'd better get himself the best lawyer he can find because he's sure going to need help staying out of prison.

And in case anyone misses the point, any criminal conspiracy to commit a crime which is planned and executed by a lawyer and his client effectively negates any protections of a lawyer/client privileged and confidential communication.

I certainly hope that Giuliani is fully prepared for when Trump disavows any knowledge of what his lawyer was doing because that's been Trump's MO for decades.

Exclusive: New audio of 2019 phone call reveals how Giuliani pressured Ukraine to investigate baseless Biden conspiracies

Never-before-heard audio, obtained exclusively by CNN, shows how former President Donald Trump's longtime adviser Rudy Giuliani relentlessly pressured and coaxed the Ukrainian government in 2019 to investigate baseless conspiracies about then-candidate Joe Biden.

www.cnn.com

What a read. They sure are a dirty bunch.

Telling the Ukraines to hire a non corrupt prosecutor is a crime to you?

That's not, but trying to get a foreign national to eliminate a political rival is.

Lock him up!

what's the code section?

The only people I know that have actually hired a foreign national to "eliminate" a political rival is the DNC and Clinton when they hired Steele....don't you remember that?

No, I don't remember that. My recollection is that Hillary hired Fusion GPS, an American based firm.

GPS Fusion, who then hired a foreigner. The fact that the process is one step remove doesn't get her off the hook. If it did, then candidates could pour unlimited amounts into foreign firms with the simple expedient of having their law firm spend the money.

Of course it does, unless you can show she was involved in the hiring of Christopher Steele. Just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean Hillary broke it.

what law are you referring to?

the principal-agent relationship and the law makes her responsible for her agents actions

I see nothing in the law that makes her responsible for the who Fusion GPS hired unless she was involved with who they hired.

And the law of which I speak is...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals​

​

(a) Prohibition​

​

It shall be unlawful for-​

​

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-​

​

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;​

​

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or​

​

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

​

​

oh it wasn’t a donation...she didn’t violate that law. She paid the foreign national

As a benefit to Trump's campaign, it qualified as a contribution or other thing of value.

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

LOL

Uh, no, not even an American like Rudy is permitted by law to solicit campaign aid from a foreign national. I showed you the law... I don't see any exemptions in there for Rudy.

he’s certainly alllowe to ask for informasrik. the same the clinton campaign did with their agent Steele.

He wasn't simply asking for information. Why do you feel the need to lie like that? He asked the president of another country to find dirt on one of Trump's political rivals. And he asked for it to be public, so that it would politically damage Biden.

sure he was

just like steele did...and made it public

Nope, you're lying. He asked a foreign national to launch an investigation into Biden.

And why am I still waiting for you to show when Hillary took possession of the dossier?

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

when steele delivered his report

Rudy conducted an investigation? That's a laugh!

Rudy had no official gov't office from which to launch an investigation. He's a private citizen. He has no power to compel testimony under penalty of indictment or perjury.

But you can bet that he dropped President Trump's name at every opportunity as both a potential financial carrot of financial aid and a potential stick of a public rhetorical payback to anyone who decided to willingly climb aboard the Trump bandwagon of an anti-Biden campaign of disinformation.

private citizens can conduct investigations

they do it all the time

Giuliani is some very serious legal trouble here. When this is combined with all the other likely upcoming charges against Rudy, he'd better get himself the best lawyer he can find because he's sure going to need help staying out of prison.

And in case anyone misses the point, any criminal conspiracy to commit a crime which is planned and executed by a lawyer and his client effectively negates any protections of a lawyer/client privileged and confidential communication.

I certainly hope that Giuliani is fully prepared for when Trump disavows any knowledge of what his lawyer was doing because that's been Trump's MO for decades.

Exclusive: New audio of 2019 phone call reveals how Giuliani pressured Ukraine to investigate baseless Biden conspiracies

Never-before-heard audio, obtained exclusively by CNN, shows how former President Donald Trump's longtime adviser Rudy Giuliani relentlessly pressured and coaxed the Ukrainian government in 2019 to investigate baseless conspiracies about then-candidate Joe Biden.

www.cnn.com

What a read. They sure are a dirty bunch.

Telling the Ukraines to hire a non corrupt prosecutor is a crime to you?

That's not, but trying to get a foreign national to eliminate a political rival is.

Lock him up!

what's the code section?

The only people I know that have actually hired a foreign national to "eliminate" a political rival is the DNC and Clinton when they hired Steele....don't you remember that?

No, I don't remember that. My recollection is that Hillary hired Fusion GPS, an American based firm.

GPS Fusion, who then hired a foreigner. The fact that the process is one step remove doesn't get her off the hook. If it did, then candidates could pour unlimited amounts into foreign firms with the simple expedient of having their law firm spend the money.

Of course it does, unless you can show she was involved in the hiring of Christopher Steele. Just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean Hillary broke it.

what law are you referring to?

the principal-agent relationship and the law makes her responsible for her agents actions

I see nothing in the law that makes her responsible for the who Fusion GPS hired unless she was involved with who they hired.

And the law of which I speak is...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals​

​

(a) Prohibition​

​

It shall be unlawful for-​

​

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-​

​

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;​

​

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or​

​

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

​

​

oh it wasn’t a donation...she didn’t violate that law. She paid the foreign national

As a benefit to Trump's campaign, it qualified as a contribution or other thing of value.

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

LOL

Uh, no, not even an American like Rudy is permitted by law to solicit campaign aid from a foreign national. I showed you the law... I don't see any exemptions in there for Rudy.

he’s certainly alllowe to ask for informasrik. the same the clinton campaign did with their agent Steele.

He wasn't simply asking for information. Why do you feel the need to lie like that? He asked the president of another country to find dirt on one of Trump's political rivals. And he asked for it to be public, so that it would politically damage Biden.

sure he was

just like steele did...and made it public

Nope, you're lying. He asked a foreign national to launch an investigation into Biden.

And why am I still waiting for you to show when Hillary took possession of the dossier?

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

when steele delivered his report

Rudy conducted an investigation? That's a laugh!

Rudy had no official gov't office from which to launch an investigation. He's a private citizen. He has no power to compel testimony under penalty of indictment or perjury.

But you can bet that he dropped President Trump's name at every opportunity as both a potential financial carrot of financial aid and a potential stick of a public rhetorical payback to anyone who decided to willingly climb aboard the Trump bandwagon of an anti-Biden campaign of disinformation.

what makes you think the Govt has a monopoly on the investigation business?

private citizens can and do conduct investigations all the time

You mean like a woman hiring a PI because she believes her husband is having an affair?

Other than that, a person who 'thinks' he's investigating someone just might find himself arrested for stalking.

There was always something suspicious about Trump using Giuliani and sending him to Ukraine.

You see, as president, Trump had the full weight of the US gov't at his disposal. That includes ambassadors and state dept. officials. But Trump was not only trying to circumvent proper channels, he wanted to keep what he was doing a secret. In fact, Giuliani actually undermined the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch. Why did that happen? Why was a private citizen who was working as the personal lawyer to the President, flying half way around the world to undermine a US ambassador in the minds of Us and Ukrainian officials? That's VERY suspicious!

or someone hiring a lawyer...lawyers investigate

or a campaign hiring a foreign spy to gather OP Research

You can investigate something without stalking someone...geez

There is absolutely nothing illegal about Rudy asking Ukraine officials to make public their probe of the Bidens activities with a corrupt gas company

What are you or a lawyer you hire going to be able to investigate? I guess you could get your hands on public records like a marriage certificate or real estate holdings, and court records. But you're not going to be able to get a hold of phone records, bank records, employment records, or driving records unless you break the law to do it. And if you follow someone around, that's still considered stalking.

As far as Rudy is concerned, he wasn't asking the Ukrainians to make any probe of the Bidens public because there's no evidence that there was any investigation, and even if there WAS an investigation of the Bidens, Rudy had no standing and no right to receive official Ukrainian records because he is a foreigner. But that wasn't what Rudy was doing. He was telling President Zelensky what Trump wanted him to say in a public statement in an effort to give the appearance of some kind of corruption which there is no known documentation to support. That's what's known as a smear campaign.

a lawyer has subpoena power, but can also simply go ask questions of people

no i agree he wasn’t asking them to do anything they weren’t doing..he just wanted them to acknowledge what was happening.

You're on very weak ground.

A lawyer may have subpoena power but only in the context of a pending criminal case or a civil lawsuit which means the court system is already involved in a legal proceeding. Without the courts being involved (because the state sanctions the subpoena), no lawyer can issue subpoenas to access your confidential records anymore than they could issue a search warrant in order to search your home. Any attempt to give that impression would lead to criminal charges, misconduct charges, and likely disbarment.

you asked, i was giving an example.

obviously to get a subpena a lawyer would have to go through the court

but this idea your proposed that rudy or anyone has to go through the DOJ to investigate something is false

 

[struth]

Giuliani is some very serious legal trouble here. When this is combined with all the other likely upcoming charges against Rudy, he'd better get himself the best lawyer he can find because he's sure going to need help staying out of prison.

And in case anyone misses the point, any criminal conspiracy to commit a crime which is planned and executed by a lawyer and his client effectively negates any protections of a lawyer/client privileged and confidential communication.

I certainly hope that Giuliani is fully prepared for when Trump disavows any knowledge of what his lawyer was doing because that's been Trump's MO for decades.

Exclusive: New audio of 2019 phone call reveals how Giuliani pressured Ukraine to investigate baseless Biden conspiracies

Never-before-heard audio, obtained exclusively by CNN, shows how former President Donald Trump's longtime adviser Rudy Giuliani relentlessly pressured and coaxed the Ukrainian government in 2019 to investigate baseless conspiracies about then-candidate Joe Biden.

www.cnn.com

What a read. They sure are a dirty bunch.

Telling the Ukraines to hire a non corrupt prosecutor is a crime to you?

That's not, but trying to get a foreign national to eliminate a political rival is.

Lock him up!

what's the code section?

The only people I know that have actually hired a foreign national to "eliminate" a political rival is the DNC and Clinton when they hired Steele....don't you remember that?

No, I don't remember that. My recollection is that Hillary hired Fusion GPS, an American based firm.

GPS Fusion, who then hired a foreigner. The fact that the process is one step remove doesn't get her off the hook. If it did, then candidates could pour unlimited amounts into foreign firms with the simple expedient of having their law firm spend the money.

Of course it does, unless you can show she was involved in the hiring of Christopher Steele. Just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean Hillary broke it.

what law are you referring to?

the principal-agent relationship and the law makes her responsible for her agents actions

I see nothing in the law that makes her responsible for the who Fusion GPS hired unless she was involved with who they hired.

And the law of which I speak is...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals​

​

(a) Prohibition​

​

It shall be unlawful for-​

​

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-​

​

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;​

​

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or​

​

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

​

​

oh it wasn’t a donation...she didn’t violate that law. She paid the foreign national

As a benefit to Trump's campaign, it qualified as a contribution or other thing of value.

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

LOL

Uh, no, not even an American like Rudy is permitted by law to solicit campaign aid from a foreign national. I showed you the law... I don't see any exemptions in there for Rudy.

he’s certainly alllowe to ask for informasrik. the same the clinton campaign did with their agent Steele.

He wasn't simply asking for information. Why do you feel the need to lie like that? He asked the president of another country to find dirt on one of Trump's political rivals. And he asked for it to be public, so that it would politically damage Biden.

sure he was

just like steele did...and made it public

Nope, you're lying. He asked a foreign national to launch an investigation into Biden.

And why am I still waiting for you to show when Hillary took possession of the dossier?

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

when steele delivered his report

Rudy conducted an investigation? That's a laugh!

Rudy had no official gov't office from which to launch an investigation. He's a private citizen. He has no power to compel testimony under penalty of indictment or perjury.

But you can bet that he dropped President Trump's name at every opportunity as both a potential financial carrot of financial aid and a potential stick of a public rhetorical payback to anyone who decided to willingly climb aboard the Trump bandwagon of an anti-Biden campaign of disinformation.

private citizens can conduct investigations

they do it all the time

Giuliani is some very serious legal trouble here. When this is combined with all the other likely upcoming charges against Rudy, he'd better get himself the best lawyer he can find because he's sure going to need help staying out of prison.

And in case anyone misses the point, any criminal conspiracy to commit a crime which is planned and executed by a lawyer and his client effectively negates any protections of a lawyer/client privileged and confidential communication.

I certainly hope that Giuliani is fully prepared for when Trump disavows any knowledge of what his lawyer was doing because that's been Trump's MO for decades.

Exclusive: New audio of 2019 phone call reveals how Giuliani pressured Ukraine to investigate baseless Biden conspiracies

Never-before-heard audio, obtained exclusively by CNN, shows how former President Donald Trump's longtime adviser Rudy Giuliani relentlessly pressured and coaxed the Ukrainian government in 2019 to investigate baseless conspiracies about then-candidate Joe Biden.

www.cnn.com

What a read. They sure are a dirty bunch.

Telling the Ukraines to hire a non corrupt prosecutor is a crime to you?

That's not, but trying to get a foreign national to eliminate a political rival is.

Lock him up!

what's the code section?

The only people I know that have actually hired a foreign national to "eliminate" a political rival is the DNC and Clinton when they hired Steele....don't you remember that?

No, I don't remember that. My recollection is that Hillary hired Fusion GPS, an American based firm.

GPS Fusion, who then hired a foreigner. The fact that the process is one step remove doesn't get her off the hook. If it did, then candidates could pour unlimited amounts into foreign firms with the simple expedient of having their law firm spend the money.

Of course it does, unless you can show she was involved in the hiring of Christopher Steele. Just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean Hillary broke it.

what law are you referring to?

the principal-agent relationship and the law makes her responsible for her agents actions

I see nothing in the law that makes her responsible for the who Fusion GPS hired unless she was involved with who they hired.

And the law of which I speak is...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals​

​

(a) Prohibition​

​

It shall be unlawful for-​

​

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-​

​

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;​

​

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or​

​

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

​

​

oh it wasn’t a donation...she didn’t violate that law. She paid the foreign national

As a benefit to Trump's campaign, it qualified as a contribution or other thing of value.

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

LOL

Uh, no, not even an American like Rudy is permitted by law to solicit campaign aid from a foreign national. I showed you the law... I don't see any exemptions in there for Rudy.

he’s certainly alllowe to ask for informasrik. the same the clinton campaign did with their agent Steele.

He wasn't simply asking for information. Why do you feel the need to lie like that? He asked the president of another country to find dirt on one of Trump's political rivals. And he asked for it to be public, so that it would politically damage Biden.

sure he was

just like steele did...and made it public

Nope, you're lying. He asked a foreign national to launch an investigation into Biden.

And why am I still waiting for you to show when Hillary took possession of the dossier?

rudy conducted one, and ukraine conducted one

and the clinton campaign hired a foreigner to conduct one

when steele delivered his report

Rudy conducted an investigation? That's a laugh!

Rudy had no official gov't office from which to launch an investigation. He's a private citizen. He has no power to compel testimony under penalty of indictment or perjury.

But you can bet that he dropped President Trump's name at every opportunity as both a potential financial carrot of financial aid and a potential stick of a public rhetorical payback to anyone who decided to willingly climb aboard the Trump bandwagon of an anti-Biden campaign of disinformation.

what makes you think the Govt has a monopoly on the investigation business?

private citizens can and do conduct investigations all the time

You mean like a woman hiring a PI because she believes her husband is having an affair?

Other than that, a person who 'thinks' he's investigating someone just might find himself arrested for stalking.

There was always something suspicious about Trump using Giuliani and sending him to Ukraine.

You see, as president, Trump had the full weight of the US gov't at his disposal. That includes ambassadors and state dept. officials. But Trump was not only trying to circumvent proper channels, he wanted to keep what he was doing a secret. In fact, Giuliani actually undermined the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch. Why did that happen? Why was a private citizen who was working as the personal lawyer to the President, flying half way around the world to undermine a US ambassador in the minds of Us and Ukrainian officials? That's VERY suspicious!

or someone hiring a lawyer...lawyers investigate

or a campaign hiring a foreign spy to gather OP Research

You can investigate something without stalking someone...geez

There is absolutely nothing illegal about Rudy asking Ukraine officials to make public their probe of the Bidens activities with a corrupt gas company

Then why did Trump & Giuliani try to get them to publicly open an investigation? What did he hope to gain?

they didn’t. ruby just wanted them to acknowledge what they were already doin

How did Rudy supposedly know what the Ukrainians were doing when no public statement had been released to indicate that it was happening?

because he investigated

 

[WEATHER53]

Burning the flag is a pretty clear indication you don't exactly hold the USA in high regard

Burning the flag is a form of protected speech critical of government policies and consistent with the right to petition the government for redress of grievances.

Such political protest and speech critical of government is the highest form of patriotism and love of country.

Burning the flag is not speech. It’s a physical act.

What about pummeling a Capitol Cop
into near death with a Rump or USA flagpole - Protected speech in your world also??

Well we’ve seen the fakery involved with the policeman who died from other causes and the emotional “pummeling to near death” is you emotionally distressing fakery.
In Fact, an unarmed woman was stalked and murdered

 

[colfax_m]

Burning the flag is not speech. It’s a physical act.

Speaking is a physical act too.

Expression takes many forms.

Incorrect. Speech is audible. Handling and igniting a flag is a physical act.

How is that audible sound produced?

An act.

Writing is speech too. It’s not audible.

 

[Faun]

Then why did Trump & Giuliani try to get them to publicly open an investigation? What did he hope to gain?

they didn’t. ruby just wanted them to acknowledge what they were already doin

You're lying again. It's a shame you can't stop lying.

Ukraine was not investigating Joe Biden. Had they been, Giuliani wouldn't have asked them to start one...

"And all we need… all we need from the President is to say: I'm gonna put an honest prosecutor in charge..."​

If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like ya do.

So again I ask, since you lied to avoid answering the first time -- why did Trump & Giuliani try to get them to publicly open an investigation? What did he hope to gain?