New Poll Shows GOP Shifting In Fascinating Direction...

[kaz]

Well, imo, libertarians are at the fringe of the party (no insult intended btw)

None taken. Thanks to the educational octopus we are at the fringe of the party.


Every politically controlled educational system will inculcate the doctrine of state supremacy sooner or later. . . . Once that doctrine has been accepted, it becomes an almost superhuman task to break the stranglehold of the political power over the life of the citizen. It has had his body, property and mind in its clutches from infancy. An octopus would sooner release its prey. A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state.

–Isabel Paterson, The God of the Machine (1943)

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Government provided education is also a plank of the Communist manifesto. They are pro-government indoctrination camps.

 

[thanatos144]

Well, imo, libertarians are at the fringe of the party (no insult intended btw)

None taken. Thanks to the educational octopus we are at the fringe of the party.


Every politically controlled educational system will inculcate the doctrine of state supremacy sooner or later. . . . Once that doctrine has been accepted, it becomes an almost superhuman task to break the stranglehold of the political power over the life of the citizen. It has had his body, property and mind in its clutches from infancy. An octopus would sooner release its prey. A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state.

–Isabel Paterson, The God of the Machine (1943)

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Because it is so much better to have a population of illiterate fools ?

 

[kaz]

Well, imo, libertarians are at the fringe of the party (no insult intended btw)

None taken. Thanks to the educational octopus we are at the fringe of the party.


Every politically controlled educational system will inculcate the doctrine of state supremacy sooner or later. . . . Once that doctrine has been accepted, it becomes an almost superhuman task to break the stranglehold of the political power over the life of the citizen. It has had his body, property and mind in its clutches from infancy. An octopus would sooner release its prey. A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state.

–Isabel Paterson, The God of the Machine (1943)

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Because it is so much better to have a population of illiterate fools ?

You haven't been keeping up with what we're getting from our educational system, have you?

 

[Avorysuds]

Well, imo, libertarians are at the fringe of the party (no insult intended btw)

None taken. Thanks to the educational octopus we are at the fringe of the party.


Every politically controlled educational system will inculcate the doctrine of state supremacy sooner or later. . . . Once that doctrine has been accepted, it becomes an almost superhuman task to break the stranglehold of the political power over the life of the citizen. It has had his body, property and mind in its clutches from infancy. An octopus would sooner release its prey. A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state.

–Isabel Paterson, The God of the Machine (1943)

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Because it is so much better to have a population of illiterate fools ?

As the nation has become more dependent on Government education, the literacy rate has declined greatly.

You fail, again. Unless of course you wish to debate that more people are graduating high school at a higher educated level than years passed.... That would be, special of you.

 

[aaronleland]

I havent had a beer in three day so?

And we can tell by the way you type that you are already getting the shakes.

actually I dont drink much at all... Comes with having a father that died from being a drunk I am very mindful of how much I consume.

How many family members did you lose to weed?

 

[kaz]

And we can tell by the way you type that you are already getting the shakes.

actually I dont drink much at all... Comes with having a father that died from being a drunk I am very mindful of how much I consume.

How many family members did you lose to weed?

There was that horrible tractor accident on my uncle's farm....

 

[Avorysuds]

actually I dont drink much at all... Comes with having a father that died from being a drunk I am very mindful of how much I consume.

How many family members did you lose to weed?

There was that horrible tractor accident on my uncle's farm....

lolz.

 

[thanatos144]

So did say this: "Boil down modern libertarianism to this.... Legal hooker, Drugs and abortion on demand..."

libertarians certainly would support those things being legal, the issue with your statement are the words "boil down." Boiling down libertarianism would be that we support minimizing government in our wallets, in our bedrooms and in other country's business (military). Those are just some transactional positions, not a boiling down of our views.

You say that yet you support social issues that are counter productive to it...Point in fact. Libertarians can not support the declaration of independence and yet support a woman liberty to kill her unborn. Why? Because your saying the child doesnt have a right to live.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

Thats just one hypocrisy of your movement.

 

[thanatos144]

And we can tell by the way you type that you are already getting the shakes.

actually I dont drink much at all... Comes with having a father that died from being a drunk I am very mindful of how much I consume.

How many family members did you lose to weed?

Quite a few actually. Freinds as well.

 

[Contumacious]

What the hell is the libertarian platform these days besides legalized drugs?

Legalized drugs and isolationism. That's pretty well it. The Soviets actually had that plan for the U.S. as well.

Interesting SWITZERLAND which is NEUTRAL and practices NON-INTERVENTIONISM has the strongest ECONOMY and CURRENCY in the world.

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[thanatos144]

None taken. Thanks to the educational octopus we are at the fringe of the party.


Every politically controlled educational system will inculcate the doctrine of state supremacy sooner or later. . . . Once that doctrine has been accepted, it becomes an almost superhuman task to break the stranglehold of the political power over the life of the citizen. It has had his body, property and mind in its clutches from infancy. An octopus would sooner release its prey. A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state.

–Isabel Paterson, The God of the Machine (1943)

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Because it is so much better to have a population of illiterate fools ?

As the nation has become more dependent on Government education, the literacy rate has declined greatly.

You fail, again. Unless of course you wish to debate that more people are graduating high school at a higher educated level than years passed.... That would be, special of you.

all true yet that is a separate issue then not having education at all isnt it?

 

[kaz]

So did say this: "Boil down modern libertarianism to this.... Legal hooker, Drugs and abortion on demand..."

libertarians certainly would support those things being legal, the issue with your statement are the words "boil down." Boiling down libertarianism would be that we support minimizing government in our wallets, in our bedrooms and in other country's business (military). Those are just some transactional positions, not a boiling down of our views.

You say that yet you support social issues that are counter productive to it...Point in fact. Libertarians can not support the declaration of independence and yet support a woman liberty to kill her unborn. Why? Because your saying the child doesnt have a right to live.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

Thats just one hypocrisy of your movement.

No, "why" is because the baby doesn't have a right to the mother's body. When you use the word we think something "because..." you have to say why "we" think it.

As for other issues, you have to be more specific than "just one."

 

[jgarden]

Libertarian Legacy? Ron Paul's Campaign Manager, 49, Dies Uninsured, Of Pneumonia, Leaving family $400,000 Debt
July 6, 2008

What a testament to the Libertarian creed, which abhors the idea of universal health care. This loyal, passionate man who died too young left his family a debt of $400,000 in medical bills. And who knows whether he put off getting treatment for the pneumonia that killed him because he was uninsured.

Kent Snyder did some amazing work on the Ron Paul Campaign and as remembered as a "libertarian giant"- by Lew Rockwell, on libertarian site, Lew Rockwell.com.

The Wall Street journal reports that Kent, more than anyone else, persuaded Ron Paul to run for president. And Kent, according the the WSJ said, "ultimately became a $35 million operation with 250 employees that helped deliver more than one million votes for the Texas congressman's bid in the Republican nominating contest."

..... Sadly, the Libertarian heart apparently does not include health care. The poor guy raised tens of millions of dollars and couldn't afford the $300-$600 a month that COBRA medical insurance would have cost.

Paul has some good ideas -- get out of Iraq, get the US out of a lot of other countries. But his opposition to government, to universal health care-- these ideas just don't work and his campaign manager's death makes a tragic example of it.

A website has been created to help raise the $400,000 to pay the medical bills.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-kall/libertarian-legacy-ron-pa_b_111079.html

New Poll Shows GOP Shifting In Fascinating Direction...

Five years after Snyder's death less than $40 000 has been raised to retire his medical debts.

If the campaign manager of one of the nation's most famous libertarians can't rely on private donations from "friends, neighbors and churches" to retire his healthcare costs, what hope is there for the ret of us?

 

[thanatos144]

What the hell is the libertarian platform these days besides legalized drugs?

Legalized drugs and isolationism. That's pretty well it. The Soviets actually had that plan for the U.S. as well.

Interesting SWITZERLAND which is NEUTRAL and practices NON-INTERVENTIONISM has the strongest ECONOMY and CURRENCY in the world.

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You young guys and you ignorance of the world....We have treaties in this world that deals with us coming to the defense of allies in certain circumstances and these treaties are wrapped up in our trade with them... Tell me how our trade isn't affected when you dont honor our word and tell the world and our allies we are lying fucks that cant be trusted?

 

[The Rabbi]

What the hell is the libertarian platform these days besides legalized drugs?

Legalized drugs and isolationism. That's pretty well it. The Soviets actually had that plan for the U.S. as well.

Interesting SWITZERLAND which is NEUTRAL and practices NON-INTERVENTIONISM has the strongest ECONOMY and CURRENCY in the world.

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They also have a high cheese consumption. Which is about as relevant.

 

[kaz]

Libertarian Legacy? Ron Paul's Campaign Manager, 49, Dies Uninsured, Of Pneumonia, Leaving family $400,000 Debt
July 6, 2008

What a testament to the Libertarian creed, which abhors the idea of universal health care. This loyal, passionate man who died too young left his family a debt of $400,000 in medical bills. And who knows whether he put off getting treatment for the pneumonia that killed him because he was uninsured.

Kent Snyder did some amazing work on the Ron Paul Campaign and as remembered as a "libertarian giant"- by Lew Rockwell, on libertarian site, Lew Rockwell.com.

The Wall Street journal reports that Kent, more than anyone else, persuaded Ron Paul to run for president. And Kent, according the the WSJ said, "ultimately became a $35 million operation with 250 employees that helped deliver more than one million votes for the Texas congressman's bid in the Republican nominating contest."

..... Sadly, the Libertarian heart apparently does not include health care. The poor guy raised tens of millions of dollars and couldn't afford the $300-$600 a month that COBRA medical insurance would have cost.

Paul has some good ideas -- get out of Iraq, get the US out of a lot of other countries. But his opposition to government, to universal health care-- these ideas just don't work and his campaign manager's death makes a tragic example of it.

A website has been created to help raise the $400,000 to pay the medical bills.

Rob Kall: Libertarian Legacy? Ron Paul's Campaign Manager, 49, Dies Uninsured, Of Pneumonia, Leaving family $400,000 Debt

New Poll Shows GOP Shifting In Fascinating Direction...

Five years after Snyder's death less than $40 000 has been raised to retire his medical debts.

If the campaign manager of one of the nation's most famous libertarians can't rely on private donations from "friends, neighbors and churches" to retire his healthcare costs, what hope is there for the ret of us?

How is his family on the hook for that?

 

[thanatos144]

So did say this: "Boil down modern libertarianism to this.... Legal hooker, Drugs and abortion on demand..."

libertarians certainly would support those things being legal, the issue with your statement are the words "boil down." Boiling down libertarianism would be that we support minimizing government in our wallets, in our bedrooms and in other country's business (military). Those are just some transactional positions, not a boiling down of our views.

You say that yet you support social issues that are counter productive to it...Point in fact. Libertarians can not support the declaration of independence and yet support a woman liberty to kill her unborn. Why? Because your saying the child doesnt have a right to live.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

Thats just one hypocrisy of your movement.

No, "why" is because the baby doesn't have a right to the mother's body. When you use the word we think something "because..." you have to say why "we" think it.

As for other issues, you have to be more specific than "just one."

So like a liberal you dont think we have a right to life???? So in truth you dont believe in the ideals of our founders at all do you?

 

[The Rabbi]

Eight pages and the narco-libertarians remain focused on dope and cowardice. I guess that really is all they have to offer.

 

[Contumacious]

Well, imo, libertarians are at the fringe of the party (no insult intended btw)

None taken. Thanks to the educational octopus we are at the fringe of the party.


Every politically controlled educational system will inculcate the doctrine of state supremacy sooner or later. . . . Once that doctrine has been accepted, it becomes an almost superhuman task to break the stranglehold of the political power over the life of the citizen. It has had his body, property and mind in its clutches from infancy. An octopus would sooner release its prey. A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state.

–Isabel Paterson, The God of the Machine (1943)

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Because it is so much better to have a population of illiterate fools ?

The welfare/warfare state has spent gazillions of dollars "educating' the populace , the end result: Thanatos a warmonger, government supremacist who believes that only government bureaucrats should be in control.

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[kaz]

No, "why" is because the baby doesn't have a right to the mother's body. When you use the word we think something "because..." you have to say why "we" think it.

As for other issues, you have to be more specific than "just one."

So like a liberal you dont think we have a right to life???? So in truth you dont believe in the ideals of our founders at all do you?

The Constitution doesn't address abortion, it leaves it to the States, which is my position regarding the founding fathers, so you're zip there.

If you're referring to their private views against abortion, I haven't come across those, can you provide some links that they thought the Federal government should prohibit them?