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Saw an interview with him. Impressed. You will never know who the ones beating down the innocent that night, as they are secret, because the attempted beat down was illegal. There will be no interviews of the secret shock troops. They will not and cannot be charged with their crime as they cannot be picked from a line up. Balaclava and velcro id pretty much rule that out. Again, no arrest of the innocent and no charges. Had there been I am sure the testimony of the former Naval Officer and the video would be powerful testimony. So, we are left with nobody is supposed to ask what is going on when witnessing secret Federal police action, right. Where did the constitution cover that? The Naval Officer to an oath to the constitution, one that he apparently still honors. The thugs that beat him may have taken one also, but did not follow it's intent.He approached them during a riot. He was a fucking idiot. In no country would anyone do that and not get beat down. He got off lightly.Wrong. He did nothing to them or anyone else. They were not trying to take him into custody, just beat the crap out of him. Police, Feds or anybody else that does that is wrong. Could understand if he got physical or was destructive or had a weapon, but no. What part of him not putting up any resistance and just making it easier for them to beat the shit out of him completely unnecessarily do you not get. They kept hitting him multiple times until they just got ashamed of beating a man that put up no resistance until the quit and he walked away. He was just a classy dude and the Feds were just out of control. He owned their sorry asses, without lifting a hand. Those idiot made themselves the poster boys for trump brutality. Why do you think the Chicago deployment has been scaled back and it's scope completely changed? It did not play well, and won't in the campaign ads or the minds of the public, except for the radical trump no matter what goofs.You still don't get it. The federal law enforcement officers aren't doing anything different from what they normally do, they are just acting in extraordinary circumstances. In normal times this guy would have respected the orders of federal law enforcement officers, but at this time he thought his Naval Academy sweat shirt would allow him to disregard them. What makes all this especially extraordinary is that the protesters have no specific concrete demands they are protesting about, so all of this is about nothing but defying the law.Help is a lot different than coming in and running their own game for political purposes. If you haven't read, not too many normal republican are cheering the demise of states rights, the squelching of freedom of assembly and freedom of protest. Although I think it funny that the Mayor of Portland got gassed (having experienced real CS gas), surely nobody is stupid enough to think or believe that the mayor was involved in a violent protest. The trump secret police got carried away, just like when they beat the fk out of that former Naval Academy Grad, former Naval Officer who still conducted himself as an Officer and a Gentleman, in the finest traditions of his branch, standing unfazed before his attackers as they went 2 or 3 on 1 with batons and chemical weapons. He made them look like a pack of little cur dogs. He was not participating in violence either. National Officers on duty and their troops have spoken to the peaceful nature of the protesters that trumps goons gassed in Washington, so he could go fourth for a photo Op at a church across from the White House. Trump is trying to help nobody but trump. It is apparent, and it is disgusting. Are you starting to see a pattern yet?In these cases when the state and local authorities abdicate their responsibilities to maintain law and order, it would be irresponsible for the federal government not to try to help. There have always been federal law enforcement officers, FBI, ATF, DEA, etcl, operating in these cities without without being accountable to local authorities and now that the local authorities are as guilty as the rioters of the destruction of these cities, the federal government has to step in to assure the proper functioning of these cities. It should be noted that federal law enforcement officers are not making arrests for violations of state or local laws but only for violations of federal law.In all honesty, I got to admit, I am not too impressed with their effort or non efforts and restoring order to their streets. Just not sure Federal take over unaccountable to local authority is the way to go. Might feel different if it wasn't 2000 miles away, hard to say.lol Do what? The problem in Portland and Seattle and other Democratic controlled cities is that their governments don't seem to have any idea what they are trying to do other than hold on to power.Yeah, that'll do it.The video is not disturbing to sane people. Federal officers enforcing federal law picked up someone they had reasonable suspicion of having broken federal law and took him to the federal courthouse for questioning. If Portland or Oregon object to the jurisdiction of federal officers enforcing federal law, perhaps they should notify Congress they wish to secede from the Union.The video was disturbing. They rolled up to an intersection without a federal building and less than a dozen citizens around in an unmarked suv, jumping out in full battle gear, face masked to hide identity with the only ID that could be see attached with velcro. Moved in to pick up a guy down the block while their driver waited with the engine running. The one filming yell "Who are you?" no answer. Yelled "What are you doing?" no answer. Asked "what did he do?" no answer. Where are you taking him? No answer. Finally they called to the man being abducted asking his name, so somebody would know who had been abducted and thrown in the unmarked car by the unmarked secret police. Upon the guy yelling his name back over his shoulder, they yelled the initials of some legal services would get him out. It was quick, efficient effective, and not how these things go down in a free society and looked like a secret police operation on the streets of a communist country. Innocent? Maybe. Justifiable? Who knows. Are they accountable to anyone? Nope, not without knowing who they are or the scope of their operations, but it is far more than protecting Federal buildings and were appearently not invited by the governor of Oregon or that idiot Portland mayor. Looked like something out of an old movie.., a bad old movie. Hope they don't come to my town. Probably won't. I live in a "red" state. with few protests and mostly just good old fashion black on black crime, the kind BLM ignores, mostly not on my side of town.That hardly means they are acting like "general police force for all crimes". They are simply enforcing federal law in Portland just as they have always done. Their actions stand out because of the near total breakdown of law enforcement in Portland. They are not arresting people for breaking state or local laws but only for breaking federal laws, just as they have always done.Since they gassed the mayor, and are all around the city.A stupid thing to say since there is no evidence federal officers are acting like "general police force for all crimes.”Stephen I. Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas at Austin, said it was not clear how federal agents could occupy the streets of a city that is 99 percent not federal property. “It’s of course the prerogative of the federal government to enforce federal law and protect federal property,” Mr. Vladeck said. “It is not the job of the federal government to be a general police force for all crimes.”When Federal property is being damaged, this is what you get. Your concern is misplaced. DumbNot at all thrilled with the way some of these cities have handled their problems since the Floyd murder. Just don't like the precident being set for uninvited federal intervention. Hope he isn't getting us used to federal secret police on the streets in time to call off the election due to a trumped up emergency to stay in office.Decent people can't enjoy their city in the evening. Way past time to remove the vermin.Would have no problem if that was all they were doing, but even you know it is a lie. You also know we don't send in troops is unmarked vehicles, dressed for combat, wearing balaclava to hide their identity and thwart photo records with little or no ID visible and only attached with velcro when visible at all to snatch people off the street.No one has imposed martial law snowflake...by federal statute the government has NO choice but to protect federal buildings and personel ...Nope. I just do not approve of federal martial law being imposed over state control. Not a good precedent.So you're okay with rioters and terrorizing citizens. Good luck.Nope. I just do not trust the good intentions of the Feds when trump has talked about sending to democrat controlled cities, making it sound like a political operation during an election years. Dangerous political stunt, in my opinion.Perhaps you're just confused. That's what it sounds like.Bright enough, just not trusting enough.It stops when the vermin are all picked up or they go away. You're not very bright, huh.And where does that stop, your front door? Bad precedent by a bad president.Nope. More like picking up the trash and taking them off the street so law abiding people can go about their lives in peace and safety. Idiot.That is pretty much what the states should be afraid of. Nothing like, Hi, were from the Federal government, we're here to help you, right?I don't give a damn what the Feds do to the vermin.Activity such as seen on the news of rolling up with no identification to snatch people off the street into an unmarked car and taking of to who knows where for whatever they choose to do with them or to them. You can an should respect law enforcement. That ain't law enforcement. Makes a pretty strong case for the gun nuts that think you may need fully automatic weapons and high capacity magazines available to the people, to protect against excess of the government using federal troops. Never thought they were anything but gun nuts until now. Never though I would see secret police right here in my country.Illegal activity? Funny.Not a matter of stopping trump. Just put two humvees to shadow movement of all Fed unmarked rolling units of the secret police and control their activity and make sure the personnel are identified before being allowed out of the GSA parking lot with order to arrest on illegal activity if necessary. 150 secret police is no match for an infantry battalion. It is expensive, but the state has to decide whether to give up state control of troops within their borders and make no mistake the secret police is troops not law enforcement.How are they gonna stop Trump?I'm glad to see real Americans standing up for the constitution, the law and our people.
De Blasio and other mayors have said they will take legal steps to stop trump.
I don't see how any court in this nation won't stop trump from doing this.
New York would sue if Trump sends federal troops: mayor
New York would go to court to stop President Donald Trump from sending federal troops to the city to quell rising crime, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Tuesday. After the Department of Homeland Security deployed scores of Border Patrol police and federal marshals -- many on combat fatigues -- to...news.yahoo.com
I think the mayors and governors where violent protestors are acting out, need to get control or influence to restore order, but it is not up to me or you or any other states to say it is OK for a Federal Secret Police action, unaccountable as they are nameless and faceless. We would not like or approve of a federal Secret Police strike force on our street, just as the framers of the constitution feared could happen and provided for states rights. This is just another outrageous play that trump will pay for in November.
I Witnessed a sherriff's deputy beat down in my front yard, years ago when we lived in the country and I was home on leave. Guy tried to hide by pulling into my driveway and turning off his car lights, which woke me up. Deputy recognized car, whipped into my driveway put spotlight on car. Got out gun drawn. Guickly got the jerk out of his car, put him against the squad car spread eagle, re-holstered his .357, pulled a small baton and started beating the non-resisting perp, neck head, face, arms, spine, kidneys, hands, you get the picture. I went out there on my porch to prevent him possibly killing the guy and yelled hey, what's going on. Deputy kept on, ordered me back into my house. I yelled "NO. I own this place and you ain't going to kill that guy in my driveway without a witness at your trial and my wife is watching from inside. He stopped turned, as he didn't need to worry about the quivering, bleeding, shivering mass on the ground, and explained he was just trying to subdue a burglary suspect he had followed in a high speed chase. I responded it was time to cuff him and put him in your car, cause I'm not helping load that asshole if you beat him unconscious or kill him in my driveway, but I will testify if you don't. That ended the beat down. The guy on the ground was a mess, but he would life. Sometime Americans of good conscience must stand to and observe and be ready to question violent acts, even if it is the government doing it. Like the modern day guy, I did not interfere, but my willingness to bear witness and be counted were effective.
