Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...

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I don't believe you. But keep advertising that you have $1M buried in your yard if you truly want to be a victim.
You were the one 'advertising' about your advanced investment skills....I think you're just pissed because you bought some at 5 times that much. But if gold drops to 30 an ounce at least I'd have enough to live on for a year if the SHTF. ( if hyperinflation kicks in I might be worth $100 million)
 
I don't believe you. But keep advertising that you have $1M buried in your yard if you truly want to be a victim.
You were the one 'advertising' about your advanced investment skills....I think you're just pissed because you bought some at 5 times that much. But if gold drops to 30 an ounce at least I'd have enough to live on for a year if the SHTF. ( if hyperinflation kicks in I might be worth $100 million)


You can't even remember with whom you are engaged in your silly boasting.

Link to any post I have made bragging about my investments? Here's a clue: you won't find any. I have a policy against discussing my personal financial situation with strangers on the interwebs, or anyone else besides my husband and our advisors.
 
You can't even remember with whom you are engaged in your silly boasting.

Link to any post I have made bragging about my investments? Here's a clue: you won't find any. I have a policy against discussing my personal financial situation with strangers on the interwebs, or anyone else besides my husband and our advisors.
Oh I apologize for that.
This thread is moving so fast it's hard to keep up
when you don't know everyone - you know I just joined here like 6 weeks ago- I was referring to Andylusion .
 
Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
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To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”
Ignorant OP doesn’t know it was a WORLDWIDE depression impacting EVERY NATION.
 
Really? Just healthcare? What about food? Housing? Clothing? Internet access? Cell phones?
To qualify as socialist, that is the opinion of socialists around the world it appears. But we are one hell of a ripoff by the rich GOP greedy idiots.... Our benefits suck. That is basically what's socialism is benefits that we deserve as workers. Living wage Health Care daycare paid parental leav good vacations good infrastructure etc.

Quote for me the section in the Constitution that guarantees you the right to any of that please. . . .
when the right wing shows us the war on crime, drugs, and terror clause.
agreed
So you don't think the government has the right to pass laws and that those laws must pass Constitutional muster before being enacted?

IF that's what you think then you must want to dissolve the house and the senate because their main duty as outlined in the Constitution is to pass legislation
THEN the courts way in as to whether the laws are constitutional...
 
Violent reactive scumbags like franco don't have the stones to discuss the ambiguous trident, a symbology which reveals the pre-planned theatrics of American elections, though (even post-genocide) a Native American can perceive the trident correctly the first time.
∆∆∆typical GOP conspiracy Nut Job
 
Violent reactive scumbags like franco don't have the stones to discuss the ambiguous trident, a symbology which reveals the pre-planned theatrics of American elections, though (even post-genocide) a Native American can perceive the trident correctly the first time.
∆∆∆typical GOP conspiracy Nut Job
I know you don't have to vote GOP to be a GOP conspiracy Nut Job. Just don't vote democratic.
 
Ignorant OP doesn’t know it was a WORLDWIDE depression impacting EVERY NATION.
How do you know where this photograph in my OP was taken ?
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Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
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To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”
Ignorant OP doesn’t know it was a WORLDWIDE depression impacting EVERY NATION.
And you don't know that the GOP did it. Or conservatives. Which corrupt GOP or conservative meltdown are we talking about this time?
 
Here’s the reply you’ll get : “that’s not socialism “. As much as Cons talk about the democrats socialism, none of them can you an example of it .

You mean of course that NONE of them give you your version of it therefore they are all wrong.

Socialism has a specific definition. Show me where I’m ignoring an example that fits the definition.

LOL, no.....Socialism, Communism, Fascism are nothing but tools the same way a hammer is. You're trapped in a limited intellectual prism that will not allow you to see beyond your pre and misconceptions.
 
People who want socialism don't understand the scope of that either.

So I'll expand

Socialism means the government owns every single factory in the country , every single farm and every single store, every single hospital, every single plane train and truck used to distribute goods every single bank every single printing press, every single TV and radio station etc etc
That is communism, brainwashed Cold War dinosaur ignoramus GOP Super Dupe. LOL. As opposed to always Democratic socialism everywhere but GOP dupe world... Join the 21st century...

Another one who doesn't know the definition of socialism

socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Every Socialist Party in the modern world is democratic Fair capitalism. Marx was always wrong about everything but the plight of the proletariat, then the USSR turned out to be a scam too, neither Democratic in any way. The Cold War is over, it's time to let Socialists decide what socialists are and I don't mean communists!!!

Socialism by definition is the transition to communism.
Never happened without a violent revolution, super duper. Could you brainwashed functional morons possibly notice that the cold war is over and we don't have to demonize socialism... Only the GOP and its dupes have the moot definition of socialism as what Karl Marx went on a boat and was always wrong, or the USSR. Socialism has to have democracy involved, and it became obvious to tell marks in the USSR had nothing to do with democracy. Now everywhere but GOP dupe World socialism is always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net. In other words every successful modern country but us, the Chumps of the greedy idiot GOP.

The government owning all means of production, distribution and exchange will always be a disaster

And our safety net is just fine

Astonishing Numbers: America's Poor Still Live Better Than Most Of The Rest Of Humanity

read the article and study the graphs and you'll learn that the bottom 10% of the US live better than the bottom 10% of most of those European countries you want to emulate

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Owned or regulated, communism or socialism? Any Republican ever.

I have never voted for a Rep (or a Dem) in my life.

And you dodged the obvious:

So dictionary definitions are stupid? Really?

Is that ALL definitions? Or just the ones that don't say what you want them to say?

This is the definition of 'socialism' from one of the most, respected dictionaries in the world - the Oxford Dictionary:

'socialism

NOUN
mass noun
  • 1A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.'
socialism | Definition of socialism in English by Oxford Dictionaries

So are they 'stupid' as well?
Yes or No, please?

This is an obvious strategy by Democrats to undermine criticism of socialism by undermining the meaning of the word itself.
Democratic socialism then, brainwashed Cold War dinosaur functional moron.
That's an oxymoron

When the government owns all means of production and distribution there can be no democracy
You're damn straight, twice a day I suppose. That's why everyone in the real world calls that communism and it is a total failure and always totalitarian, while since the early 20th century socialism has been defined more and more as always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net.. people discovered the Karl Marx was fos and always wrong except for the plight of the proletariat at the time. Then people discovered that the USSR was a scam with no democracy. Wake up and smell the coffee for crying out loud, the Socialist parties in every modern country that has one is always my definition.Only You brainwashed functional morons of the GOP, and there are Democrats and conservatives in other countries that continue this scam definition of communism as socialism. Ask Bernie Sanders or AOC what socialism is dipstick. It is democratic socialism always democratic... Except for you Chumps who still believe every phony Scandal about Hillary Obama the FBI, still believe that the rich pay too much in taxes LOL. Change the channel and read something from actual journalists and law enforcement, brainwashed functional morons...

And yet the dictionary defines it as socialism

you know what you want

So who is correct you or the people who publish the OED?

I know who I'll put my money on
 
francohfw does not win confidence with a schizoid definition of socialism in post #546. F's attempted cleansing operation, this strive for pure form, 'scumbag,' is much akin to nazism let alone capitalism's intimate relationship to the schizophrenic process itself. F's fairy tale: 'our capitalism is not fair,' as if any other capitalism and its original theft is fair.

'every modern country in the world is socialist or Democratic Socialist if you insist on the Cold War definition....except us. why, because our capitalism is not fair and there is no safety net....we are the only successful rich country without health care daycare paid parental leav living wage cheap college and training, good vacations and infrastructure, an id card to end illegal immigration and taxing the rich their fair share. congratulations gop scumbag and silly chumps like you....that would be australia new zealand canada japan france germany scandinavia etc.'

It's worth taking the time to study and expose F's pathological perceptions which should yield more information about the use of the ambiguous trident mechanism in the last presidential election: a schizoid socialist definition serves this purpose well, because the dems thought the presidency was in the bag.
 
I have never voted for a Rep (or a Dem) in my life.

And you dodged the obvious:

So dictionary definitions are stupid? Really?

Is that ALL definitions? Or just the ones that don't say what you want them to say?

This is the definition of 'socialism' from one of the most, respected dictionaries in the world - the Oxford Dictionary:

'socialism

NOUN
mass noun
  • 1A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.'
socialism | Definition of socialism in English by Oxford Dictionaries

So are they 'stupid' as well?
Yes or No, please?

This is an obvious strategy by Democrats to undermine criticism of socialism by undermining the meaning of the word itself.
Democratic socialism then, brainwashed Cold War dinosaur functional moron.
That's an oxymoron

When the government owns all means of production and distribution there can be no democracy
Why should we take the right wing seriously?

If liberty and equality, as is thought by some, are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost.

Aristotle

Why should I take you seriously?
i was quoting Aristotle?
 
under capitalism, man oppresses man. under socialism, its the other way around my friends. its a whole different ballgame!
 
under capitalism, man oppresses man. under socialism, its the other way around my friends. its a whole different ballgame!
We are the only Rich developed country that is not socialist in the modern sense, so the Rich are screwing over everyone else... Congratulations to the GOP great job!

We are the only Rich developed country that is not socialist in the modern sense

Must be why we have the largest economy, eh comrade?
 
under capitalism, man oppresses man. under socialism, its the other way around my friends. its a whole different ballgame!
We are the only Rich developed country that is not socialist in the modern sense, so the Rich are screwing over everyone else... Congratulations to the GOP great job!

We are the only Rich developed country that is not socialist in the modern sense

Must be why we have the largest economy, eh comrade?
Well we have by far the best natural resources. Their economies are just as good as ours is, except after the corrupt scumbag GOP wrecks the world economy again. Having all those natural resources helps then.
 
under capitalism, man oppresses man. under socialism, its the other way around my friends. its a whole different ballgame!
We are the only Rich developed country that is not socialist in the modern sense, so the Rich are screwing over everyone else... Congratulations to the GOP great job!

We are the only Rich developed country that is not socialist in the modern sense

Must be why we have the largest economy, eh comrade?
Didn't China pass us?
 
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