NFL National Anthem Controversy Summed Up

[Hutch Starskey]

I like the way shits going.

Racial tension's always been here, its nothing new.

Police forces, if you have your ear to it....are addressing their tactics. Installing body cameras, prosecuting via internal affairs more than ever.

There's no racial "rules" to where you can live or what businesses you can patron.

We 're still allowed to be as disrespectful to our NON Royal Politicians... with no legal recourse, as ever.

Violent Crime rates are on the average, to below average scale for all of the 2000s.

We are still electing both "sides" to office on a fluctuating scale.

The internet has made a diversity of opinions way more widespread, and easier to find.

Youtube's given more a voice, and at least a place to vent.

Science, and the futurists working in the field, are doing AMAZING things which will shape the world in a COMPLETELY different way, if you at all keep up with the modern advances. Specifically, computers and the brain sciences are merging.


This is literally the best time probably ever to live in America.

What you posted is exactly what needs communicated and actually might make a difference. I think that is what most find so frustrating. Everything that has been done, everything that has been accomplished, and everything we have to look forward to isn't apparently good enough. They want more.

They want more.

I suppose a world where black folks don't fear the police is too big of an ask.

You mean a day when blacks don't sell drugs, go on high speed chases or kill other blacks, I hope so.

I like the way shits going.

Racial tension's always been here, its nothing new.

Police forces, if you have your ear to it....are addressing their tactics. Installing body cameras, prosecuting via internal affairs more than ever.

There's no racial "rules" to where you can live or what businesses you can patron.

We 're still allowed to be as disrespectful to our NON Royal Politicians... with no legal recourse, as ever.

Violent Crime rates are on the average, to below average scale for all of the 2000s.

We are still electing both "sides" to office on a fluctuating scale.

The internet has made a diversity of opinions way more widespread, and easier to find.

Youtube's given more a voice, and at least a place to vent.

Science, and the futurists working in the field, are doing AMAZING things which will shape the world in a COMPLETELY different way, if you at all keep up with the modern advances. Specifically, computers and the brain sciences are merging.


This is literally the best time probably ever to live in America.

What you posted is exactly what needs communicated and actually might make a difference. I think that is what most find so frustrating. Everything that has been done, everything that has been accomplished, and everything we have to look forward to isn't apparently good enough. They want more.

They want more.

I suppose a world where black folks don't fear the police is too big of an ask.

You mean a day when blacks don't sell drugs, go on high speed chases or kill other blacks, I hope so.

You mean a day when blacks don't sell drugs, go on high speed chases or kill other blacks, I hope so.

And...there it is. As if on cue.

 

[Tehon]

t's more than partisan bullshit, it's the Hobbes versus Locke debate playing out again right before our eyes and Hobbes is winning.

I'm genuinely curious about this comment. Can you elaborate on why you believe Hobbes is winning today? As I understand it, the debate is over the natural state of man and whether man has a right to overthrow government.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I suppose a world where black folks don't fear the police is too big of an ask.

Yep, in a world where black folks are constantly being told they should be afraid of police and police are constantly being told they should be afraid of black folks it is.

The inevitable result of constantly selling the masses on the idea that the exception is the rule is that the masses eventually buy it.

Or constantly experiencing it personally.

 

[Moonglow]

The NFL players are doing what they feel is right, protesting how police act towards the citizens...The cops have decided to ignore complaints and so we have national protest...It's nothing new...We have had to protest their actions before and they need to get the message that just because they are law enforcement they do not get to act in any manner they so please..

bullshit. a few bad cops does not make all cops bad.

You want social justice? then lets pass a law that says that all sports teams have to have a racial makeup the matches the country. That would be "fair" as you libs describe fair.

So lets make sports fair. Recruit more white, Asians, arabs, and native americans for the NBA, NFL, NHL, and all other sports. Gotta be FAIR, cant let ability or skill determine who plays, right?

That's not even close to what this is about..

 

[Mac1958]

Eight years of a half Black democrat president and the Country is in worse shape racially than it was before Obama. What the hell happened?

Did you stumble into the wrong thread?
.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I don't want to take away from the furious outrage that has once again gripped the country (this time over some guys in shoulder pads making a "statement"), but I'd just like to point out that this it's just another symptom of a much larger problem.

This country is fractured, it's in pieces, and it's a self-inflicted wound.

We can blame the "other guys" all we want, but our words and actions are our own. NO ONE is making us behave this way.

Those who want to see us divided are winning, big, and we're just being willing, obedient sheep in the whole thing.

We've become so controlled and paralyzed by our egos and our dogma and our rage that we've completely lost each other. And worse, we're willing participants. I wonder if we'll wake up before it's too late.
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This forum is a perfect example of how split the country is, partisan hacks coming on day in day out and talking complete nonsense. But where did this nonsense come from? Probably from the rich people who control politics. The Koch brothers are spending millions of making sure their message gets out there, and it's working.

There have been forums with politically vitriolic disagreements like this one since the internet came onto the scene man. Im an eye witness to it.


Its easier to accept this next phrase if you read it in a friendly Jamaican accent....


errr ting gown be arright, mun

The problem seems to be getting worse all the time though. The US is becoming more and more partisan, the rich, especially the Koch brothers have got more and more power over the political system, and more worrying over the brains of many people who don't use them much. The US is on the way down.

Hey, youre free to believe it however you see it. Im very much enjoying my life here.

Well that's fine for you. The big problem is that the last two presidents have got into power by basically saying "your life suck ass, I'll give you the hope you desire", and then don't give it.

 

[G.T.]

I like the way shits going.

Racial tension's always been here, its nothing new.

Police forces, if you have your ear to it....are addressing their tactics. Installing body cameras, prosecuting via internal affairs more than ever.

There's no racial "rules" to where you can live or what businesses you can patron.

We 're still allowed to be as disrespectful to our NON Royal Politicians... with no legal recourse, as ever.

Violent Crime rates are on the average, to below average scale for all of the 2000s.

We are still electing both "sides" to office on a fluctuating scale.

The internet has made a diversity of opinions way more widespread, and easier to find.

Youtube's given more a voice, and at least a place to vent.

Science, and the futurists working in the field, are doing AMAZING things which will shape the world in a COMPLETELY different way, if you at all keep up with the modern advances. Specifically, computers and the brain sciences are merging.


This is literally the best time probably ever to live in America.

What you posted is exactly what needs communicated and actually might make a difference. I think that is what most find so frustrating. Everything that has been done, everything that has been accomplished, and everything we have to look forward to isn't apparently good enough. They want more.

They want more.

I suppose a world where black folks don't fear the police is too big of an ask.

The Police are addressing it, its not all that widespread either it just some bad eggs caught on tape and viral, but its caused the conversation and the attempted fix. Its a good thing.

When weed is fully legal, there will also be a lot less bullshit to harrass people over, and the lopsided incarceration figures for black folks will hopefully begin to subside.

I totally agree. It's the outrage over black folks simply having an option that I'm addressing.

This whole Race shit is like a problem that will never resolve itself on a micro scale.

On the macro, I think its the best its probably been in our Country's history.

On the micro, we have huge issues in minorities' OWN communities which are so widespread, they overshadow the thinking of the fence sitters and lend credence to the actual racists.

Its cray, yo!

 

[G.T.]

I don't want to take away from the furious outrage that has once again gripped the country (this time over some guys in shoulder pads making a "statement"), but I'd just like to point out that this it's just another symptom of a much larger problem.

This country is fractured, it's in pieces, and it's a self-inflicted wound.

We can blame the "other guys" all we want, but our words and actions are our own. NO ONE is making us behave this way.

Those who want to see us divided are winning, big, and we're just being willing, obedient sheep in the whole thing.

We've become so controlled and paralyzed by our egos and our dogma and our rage that we've completely lost each other. And worse, we're willing participants. I wonder if we'll wake up before it's too late.
.

This forum is a perfect example of how split the country is, partisan hacks coming on day in day out and talking complete nonsense. But where did this nonsense come from? Probably from the rich people who control politics. The Koch brothers are spending millions of making sure their message gets out there, and it's working.

There have been forums with politically vitriolic disagreements like this one since the internet came onto the scene man. Im an eye witness to it.


Its easier to accept this next phrase if you read it in a friendly Jamaican accent....


errr ting gown be arright, mun

The problem seems to be getting worse all the time though. The US is becoming more and more partisan, the rich, especially the Koch brothers have got more and more power over the political system, and more worrying over the brains of many people who don't use them much. The US is on the way down.

Hey, youre free to believe it however you see it. Im very much enjoying my life here.

Well that's fine for you. The big problem is that the last two presidents have got into power by basically saying "your life suck ass, I'll give you the hope you desire", and then don't give it.

All of them say that shiznit!

lol come on.

Which one says....

"Yall are doing just perfect, I will just continue the status quo of my predecessor thank ya very much..."

 

[Hutch Starskey]

You know this country has turned a corner when a person who advocates for communication, listening, and cooperation is called divisive.

I get your point but your style doesn't always convey the neutrality you think it might.

I dunno. I'm definitely frustrated and concerned. The way stuff comes across online may not always be accurate.
.

That is true.
Lately I've tried to start on middle ground and work out from there but there is soon a tsunami of crap that overwhelms any point.

Yeah. It can certainly be like grade school around here, and this thread is certainly no exception.

It does seem to me, though, that this behavior is spreading through our culture pretty rapidly.
.

I agree. I blame technology. We all do this anonymously rather than get together in person. It's far more difficult to uncivil when face to face.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I like the way shits going.

Racial tension's always been here, its nothing new.

Police forces, if you have your ear to it....are addressing their tactics. Installing body cameras, prosecuting via internal affairs more than ever.

There's no racial "rules" to where you can live or what businesses you can patron.

We 're still allowed to be as disrespectful to our NON Royal Politicians... with no legal recourse, as ever.

Violent Crime rates are on the average, to below average scale for all of the 2000s.

We are still electing both "sides" to office on a fluctuating scale.

The internet has made a diversity of opinions way more widespread, and easier to find.

Youtube's given more a voice, and at least a place to vent.

Science, and the futurists working in the field, are doing AMAZING things which will shape the world in a COMPLETELY different way, if you at all keep up with the modern advances. Specifically, computers and the brain sciences are merging.


This is literally the best time probably ever to live in America.

What you posted is exactly what needs communicated and actually might make a difference. I think that is what most find so frustrating. Everything that has been done, everything that has been accomplished, and everything we have to look forward to isn't apparently good enough. They want more.

They want more.

I suppose a world where black folks don't fear the police is too big of an ask.

The only reason one fears the police is because you break the law.

In your experience I'm sure that's true.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Are you accepting responsibility here? Is that possible?

 

[JoeB131]

The question is, why does the US have such a high rate of police shootings? Why does the US have such a high rate of police officers being shot? And why does the US have such a high rate of people shooting people? And why does the US do NOTHING about it?

Because the dun-der founding fathers dun der gave us a right to guns.

And here's where i can be a bit sympathetic to the cops. You never know who might have a gun.

But the fact is, only 60 officers a year are killed by criminals, vs. 1200 americans by cops.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

By all means, provide us with the information on what white America has to do to make the problems for black Americans go away? Move back to Europe?

Nothing can be done. Beat the other side, that's your only option.
.

You are the one being all high and mighty. I don't have a solution nor control over the situation. What in the hell do those highly paid athletes, playing a game expect white America to do that has not already been done.

So get you magic 8 ball out and tell us what you want done by white America.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks this way. We're just not as angry and loud as you folks are.

What worries me is that you have to ask someone else what to do here. Since I already know that my answer - communicate, listen, understand, cooperate - is not your cup of tea, I don't have any other ideas for you.
.

Initially I was appalled at this story concerning the NFL ( and said so) but after seeing that poll last night and thinking about the house divided analogy and then reading your thread this morning, Mac, I can clearly see that the right course of action is not to play the game because there are no winners and it is only drawing us nearer to our own destruction. I appreciate your insightful thread, Mac. Thank you.

Much appreciated. A few here don't agree with you, that's for sure.


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I believe your thread serves as a timely warning to get out of the path of destruction and go to higher ground immediately. The problem is, Mac, many people do not recognize the danger that we're in. Neither did these people prior to a 3 wave Tsunami. This video serves as analogy / lesson of what happens when people refuse to believe those who sound the alarm warning of danger ahead (because they can't see it at the time). It's one of the most devastating videos I have ever seen and it reminds me somewhat of America (on a smaller scale) and the attitude of many I see here on this thread. They won't believe it until it is too late.
WARNING: Graphic destruction

 

[Mac1958]

You know this country has turned a corner when a person who advocates for communication, listening, and cooperation is called divisive.

I get your point but your style doesn't always convey the neutrality you think it might.

I dunno. I'm definitely frustrated and concerned. The way stuff comes across online may not always be accurate.
.

That is true.
Lately I've tried to start on middle ground and work out from there but there is soon a tsunami of crap that overwhelms any point.

Yeah. It can certainly be like grade school around here, and this thread is certainly no exception.

It does seem to me, though, that this behavior is spreading through our culture pretty rapidly.
.

I agree. I blame technology. We all do this anonymously rather than get together in person. It's far more difficult to uncivil when face to face.

Well, I've pretty much given up trying to have normal conversations online. It happens now and then, but I don't expect it.

I'm concerned that I'm seeing these behaviors more and more in real life. This is far more cultural now.
.

 

[rightwinger]

Millions are out of food and water? What happened to the trillions we've spent on the Democrat "War on Poverty"?

War on poverty fed and housed millions

War on Poverty created an unbreakable inter-generational cycle of ignorance, poverty and government dependency all of which are vital for the health of the Democrat Party

It provided food, shelter, education, healthcare to millions

The cycle of poverty has been perpetrated by capitalists who used up inner city resources and then abandoned them

 

[JoeB131]

Eight years of a half Black democrat president and the Country is in worse shape racially than it was before Obama. What the hell happened?

white people like you freaked out and elected a crazy Nazi most of us didn't want.

It was in all the papers.

 

[JoeB131]

Well, I've pretty much given up trying to have normal conversations online. It happens now and then, but I don't expect it.

I'm concerned that I'm seeing these behaviors more and more in real life. This is far more cultural now.

so people in your real life think you are pompous and full of shit.

Yeah, must be the rest of the world.

 

[rightwinger]

 

[Mac1958]

Nothing can be done. Beat the other side, that's your only option.
.

You are the one being all high and mighty. I don't have a solution nor control over the situation. What in the hell do those highly paid athletes, playing a game expect white America to do that has not already been done.

So get you magic 8 ball out and tell us what you want done by white America.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks this way. We're just not as angry and loud as you folks are.

What worries me is that you have to ask someone else what to do here. Since I already know that my answer - communicate, listen, understand, cooperate - is not your cup of tea, I don't have any other ideas for you.
.

Initially I was appalled at this story concerning the NFL ( and said so) but after seeing that poll last night and thinking about the house divided analogy and then reading your thread this morning, Mac, I can clearly see that the right course of action is not to play the game because there are no winners and it is only drawing us nearer to our own destruction. I appreciate your insightful thread, Mac. Thank you.

Much appreciated. A few here don't agree with you, that's for sure.


.

I believe your thread serves as a timely warning to get out of the path of destruction and go to higher ground immediately. The problem is, Mac, many people do not recognize the danger that we're in. Neither did these people prior to a 3 wave Tsunami. This video serves as analogy / lesson of what happens when people refuse to believe those who sound the alarm warning of danger ahead (because they can't see it at the time). It's one of the most devastating videos I have ever seen and it reminds me somewhat of America (on a smaller scale) and the attitude of many I see here on this thread. They won't believe it until it is too late.

I don't know if we don't see what we're doing to ourselves, or if we've just become so hateful and narcissistic that we somehow think our "side" can "win". Or maybe nihilism is seeping in, and we're all so angry that we just to see it all burn. If that's the case, I'd be curious to know what the root cause is.
.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I like the way shits going.

Racial tension's always been here, its nothing new.

Police forces, if you have your ear to it....are addressing their tactics. Installing body cameras, prosecuting via internal affairs more than ever.

There's no racial "rules" to where you can live or what businesses you can patron.

We 're still allowed to be as disrespectful to our NON Royal Politicians... with no legal recourse, as ever.

Violent Crime rates are on the average, to below average scale for all of the 2000s.

We are still electing both "sides" to office on a fluctuating scale.

The internet has made a diversity of opinions way more widespread, and easier to find.

Youtube's given more a voice, and at least a place to vent.

Science, and the futurists working in the field, are doing AMAZING things which will shape the world in a COMPLETELY different way, if you at all keep up with the modern advances. Specifically, computers and the brain sciences are merging.


This is literally the best time probably ever to live in America.

What you posted is exactly what needs communicated and actually might make a difference. I think that is what most find so frustrating. Everything that has been done, everything that has been accomplished, and everything we have to look forward to isn't apparently good enough. They want more.

They want more.

I suppose a world where black folks don't fear the police is too big of an ask.

The Police are addressing it, its not all that widespread either it just some bad eggs caught on tape and viral, but its caused the conversation and the attempted fix. Its a good thing.

When weed is fully legal, there will also be a lot less bullshit to harrass people over, and the lopsided incarceration figures for black folks will hopefully begin to subside.

I totally agree. It's the outrage over black folks simply having an option that I'm addressing.

This whole Race shit is like a problem that will never resolve itself on a micro scale.

On the macro, I think its the best its probably been in our Country's history.

On the micro, we have huge issues in minorities' OWN communities which are so widespread, they overshadow the thinking of the fence sitters and lend credence to the actual racists.

Its cray, yo!

The problems on the micro are varied, systemic and in part a legacy of the failures of social reform. Over policing and incarceration only exacerbates and perpetuates those problems. It's almost like it was by design.