No 1st amendment in Tenn, pubs bully gays

[koshergrl]

See, it CAN be done without school assistance!

 

[koshergrl]

Psst...you're being paged here: http://www.usmessageboard.com/introduce-yourself/278748-hi-i-m-boyman.html?

 

[Gadawg73]

You went to school before they started programming homos there.

I said when my 3 kids were in the public schools.
Mix a little more OJ with that Popov.
Do you really believe that schools could program or want to program kids to be gay?
You are one sick puppy.

 

[Seawytch]

See, it CAN be done without school assistance!

Oh look, the sarcastically challenged.

 

[Seawytch]

You went to school before they started programming homos there.

I said when my 3 kids were in the public schools.
Mix a little more OJ with that Popov.
Do you really believe that schools could program or want to program kids to be gay?
You are one sick puppy.

No Dawg, just really ignorant.

 

[Wicked Jester]

"other informational resources inconsistent with natural reproduction shall be classified as inappropriate for the intended student audience and therefore prohibited"

Uh, hello, that is speaking of homosexuals be it sex or not.

Where does the bill clarify what is their definition of "suspected sexual activity" and what is not?
Is kissing another student sexual? Where is the definition and who makes that.
Government?
As hard as you keep trying you can not polish a TURD.
But keep trying, you can put perfume on a hog but it is still a hog.

"other informational resources inconsistent with natural reproduction"

Obviously meaning blowjobs, handjobs and taking it up the ass, which both hetero's and homo's can engage in.

Christ.

Never seen any school informational resources like that when my 3 kids went to school.
But if that is what you learned in school WJ we will take your word for it.

Weak.

Now, are you or any of the other libprog/rinos going to actually show that this is some sort of "gay bill", that specifically shows it targets homo's?.......'cause all we've heard is nothing but a bunch of emotion based, paranoid hyperbole from all of you.

Still waiting.

 

[Seawytch]

‘Don’t Say Gay’ Is Back: 5 Things to Know About the Tennessee Bill

[...]

1. Last Time Around, It Died for a Good Reason

The “Don’t Say Gay” bill first cleared a Tennessee Senate panel in April 2011. Officially called S.B. 49, the bill was sponsored by Republican State Sen. Stacey Campfield—who had previously tried unsuccessfully to push the idea as a member of the state House for six years. Prohibiting the discussion of any sexuality except for heterosexuality in kindergarten through eighth grade, “even with students who may be gay or have gay family,” the measure quickly earned its now widespread nickname.

Even so, the bill passed the Senate, ultimately dying an expensive and embarrassing death in the House after two years of debate. “We found out there really is not sex education curriculum in K-8 right now,” GOP Rep. Bill Dunn said at the time, pointing out that sexuality isn’t discussed at all in Tennessee schools until ninth grade, rendering the bill useless.

It took two years to realize this.

But wait, there’s more. Campfield reintroduced the legislation Wednesday with a new caveat: not only would discussing homosexuality be banned, but teachers would have to tell parents when students are—or even just might be—gay.[...]

3. Even If a Kid ‘Might Be Gay,’ Teachers Have to Report It

The bill does not prohibit school officials from counseling students who are engaging in—or “who may be at risk of engaging in”—activity “inconsistent with natural human reproduction,” but it does require that they notify parents or legal guardians of the counseling. In other words, if students seek advice or counseling about being gay, question being gay, or are treated by peers in a way that indicates they are suspected of being gay, school officials must out them to their parents.

It goes a step further, requiring that school officials notify parents if they notice a student “whose circumstances present immediate and urgent safety issues involving human sexuality.” So if a teacher even suspects a child might be gay, he or she must out the student to parents. How can we be sure that Campfield thinks homosexuality is one of those “immediate and urgent safety issues”? He flat out said it: “The act of homosexuality is very dangerous to someone’s health and safety.”

Chris Sanders of the Tennessee Equality Project says that the provision “seems to force counselors to become tattletales.” Requiring that they inform parents about any counseling related to LGBT issues or questioning will “erode the trust between students and counselors and leave students without any confidential resource in a place where they might be enduring bullying or other issues related to their sexuality, gender, or other factors."
​

 

[Wicked Jester]

‘Don’t Say Gay’ Is Back: 5 Things to Know About the Tennessee Bill

[...]

1. Last Time Around, It Died for a Good Reason

The “Don’t Say Gay” bill first cleared a Tennessee Senate panel in April 2011. Officially called S.B. 49, the bill was sponsored by Republican State Sen. Stacey Campfield—who had previously tried unsuccessfully to push the idea as a member of the state House for six years. Prohibiting the discussion of any sexuality except for heterosexuality in kindergarten through eighth grade, “even with students who may be gay or have gay family,” the measure quickly earned its now widespread nickname.

Even so, the bill passed the Senate, ultimately dying an expensive and embarrassing death in the House after two years of debate. “We found out there really is not sex education curriculum in K-8 right now,” GOP Rep. Bill Dunn said at the time, pointing out that sexuality isn’t discussed at all in Tennessee schools until ninth grade, rendering the bill useless.

It took two years to realize this.

But wait, there’s more. Campfield reintroduced the legislation Wednesday with a new caveat: not only would discussing homosexuality be banned, but teachers would have to tell parents when students are—or even just might be—gay.[...]

3. Even If a Kid ‘Might Be Gay,’ Teachers Have to Report It

The bill does not prohibit school officials from counseling students who are engaging in—or “who may be at risk of engaging in”—activity “inconsistent with natural human reproduction,” but it does require that they notify parents or legal guardians of the counseling. In other words, if students seek advice or counseling about being gay, question being gay, or are treated by peers in a way that indicates they are suspected of being gay, school officials must out them to their parents.

It goes a step further, requiring that school officials notify parents if they notice a student “whose circumstances present immediate and urgent safety issues involving human sexuality.” So if a teacher even suspects a child might be gay, he or she must out the student to parents. How can we be sure that Campfield thinks homosexuality is one of those “immediate and urgent safety issues”? He flat out said it: “The act of homosexuality is very dangerous to someone’s health and safety.”

Chris Sanders of the Tennessee Equality Project says that the provision “seems to force counselors to become tattletales.” Requiring that they inform parents about any counseling related to LGBT issues or questioning will “erode the trust between students and counselors and leave students without any confidential resource in a place where they might be enduring bullying or other issues related to their sexuality, gender, or other factors."
​

All you are giving is the perception of the writer.....Christ, show us where it is specifically targeting gay students. Show where is it says it SPECIFICALLY in the bill.

Fact of the matter is, if a minor student is engaging in any kind of sexual activity, gay or straight, and any school officials know about it, the parent/s have every god damn right to be informed about it.....And anybody who thinks otherwise, is a fucking idiot, period!

 

[Seawytch]

‘Don’t Say Gay’ Is Back: 5 Things to Know About the Tennessee Bill

[...]

1. Last Time Around, It Died for a Good Reason

The “Don’t Say Gay” bill first cleared a Tennessee Senate panel in April 2011. Officially called S.B. 49, the bill was sponsored by Republican State Sen. Stacey Campfield—who had previously tried unsuccessfully to push the idea as a member of the state House for six years. Prohibiting the discussion of any sexuality except for heterosexuality in kindergarten through eighth grade, “even with students who may be gay or have gay family,” the measure quickly earned its now widespread nickname.

Even so, the bill passed the Senate, ultimately dying an expensive and embarrassing death in the House after two years of debate. “We found out there really is not sex education curriculum in K-8 right now,” GOP Rep. Bill Dunn said at the time, pointing out that sexuality isn’t discussed at all in Tennessee schools until ninth grade, rendering the bill useless.

It took two years to realize this.

But wait, there’s more. Campfield reintroduced the legislation Wednesday with a new caveat: not only would discussing homosexuality be banned, but teachers would have to tell parents when students are—or even just might be—gay.[...]

3. Even If a Kid ‘Might Be Gay,’ Teachers Have to Report It

The bill does not prohibit school officials from counseling students who are engaging in—or “who may be at risk of engaging in”—activity “inconsistent with natural human reproduction,” but it does require that they notify parents or legal guardians of the counseling. In other words, if students seek advice or counseling about being gay, question being gay, or are treated by peers in a way that indicates they are suspected of being gay, school officials must out them to their parents.

It goes a step further, requiring that school officials notify parents if they notice a student “whose circumstances present immediate and urgent safety issues involving human sexuality.” So if a teacher even suspects a child might be gay, he or she must out the student to parents. How can we be sure that Campfield thinks homosexuality is one of those “immediate and urgent safety issues”? He flat out said it: “The act of homosexuality is very dangerous to someone’s health and safety.”

Chris Sanders of the Tennessee Equality Project says that the provision “seems to force counselors to become tattletales.” Requiring that they inform parents about any counseling related to LGBT issues or questioning will “erode the trust between students and counselors and leave students without any confidential resource in a place where they might be enduring bullying or other issues related to their sexuality, gender, or other factors."
​

All you are giving is the perception of the writer.....Christ, show us where it is specifically targeting gay students. Show where is it says it SPECIFICALLY in the bill.

Fact of the matter is, if a minor student is engaging in any kind of sexual activity, gay or straight, and any school officials know about it, the parent/s have every god damn right to be informed about it.....And anybody who thinks otherwise, is a fucking idiot, period!

I think you're missing the fact that no sexual activity needs to have taken place. With or without this bill, sexual activity would be reported by ANY student regardless of orientation. This bill specifically targets gay kids, requiring teachers to rat them out if they ask a question deemed "too ghey".

Seriously, do you all think that keeping people from saying "gay" is going to keep them from being gay? Are ya'll that stupid?

 

[Wicked Jester]

‘Don’t Say Gay’ Is Back: 5 Things to Know About the Tennessee Bill

[...]

1. Last Time Around, It Died for a Good Reason

The “Don’t Say Gay” bill first cleared a Tennessee Senate panel in April 2011. Officially called S.B. 49, the bill was sponsored by Republican State Sen. Stacey Campfield—who had previously tried unsuccessfully to push the idea as a member of the state House for six years. Prohibiting the discussion of any sexuality except for heterosexuality in kindergarten through eighth grade, “even with students who may be gay or have gay family,” the measure quickly earned its now widespread nickname.

Even so, the bill passed the Senate, ultimately dying an expensive and embarrassing death in the House after two years of debate. “We found out there really is not sex education curriculum in K-8 right now,” GOP Rep. Bill Dunn said at the time, pointing out that sexuality isn’t discussed at all in Tennessee schools until ninth grade, rendering the bill useless.

It took two years to realize this.

But wait, there’s more. Campfield reintroduced the legislation Wednesday with a new caveat: not only would discussing homosexuality be banned, but teachers would have to tell parents when students are—or even just might be—gay.[...]

3. Even If a Kid ‘Might Be Gay,’ Teachers Have to Report It

The bill does not prohibit school officials from counseling students who are engaging in—or “who may be at risk of engaging in”—activity “inconsistent with natural human reproduction,” but it does require that they notify parents or legal guardians of the counseling. In other words, if students seek advice or counseling about being gay, question being gay, or are treated by peers in a way that indicates they are suspected of being gay, school officials must out them to their parents.

It goes a step further, requiring that school officials notify parents if they notice a student “whose circumstances present immediate and urgent safety issues involving human sexuality.” So if a teacher even suspects a child might be gay, he or she must out the student to parents. How can we be sure that Campfield thinks homosexuality is one of those “immediate and urgent safety issues”? He flat out said it: “The act of homosexuality is very dangerous to someone’s health and safety.”

Chris Sanders of the Tennessee Equality Project says that the provision “seems to force counselors to become tattletales.” Requiring that they inform parents about any counseling related to LGBT issues or questioning will “erode the trust between students and counselors and leave students without any confidential resource in a place where they might be enduring bullying or other issues related to their sexuality, gender, or other factors."
​

All you are giving is the perception of the writer.....Christ, show us where it is specifically targeting gay students. Show where is it says it SPECIFICALLY in the bill.

Fact of the matter is, if a minor student is engaging in any kind of sexual activity, gay or straight, and any school officials know about it, the parent/s have every god damn right to be informed about it.....And anybody who thinks otherwise, is a fucking idiot, period!

I think you're missing the fact that no sexual activity needs to have taken place. With or without this bill, sexual activity would be reported by ANY student regardless of orientation. This bill specifically targets gay kids, requiring teachers to rat them out if they ask a question deemed "too ghey".

Seriously, do you all think that keeping people from saying "gay" is going to keep them from being gay? Are ya'll that stupid?

And you still haven't shown where it states in the bill that Homo students are being specifically targeted.

Are ya' all so stupid as to think that clear thinking people are buying into your paranoid bullshit and hyperbole that you spew to try and justify the abjectly sick perversity you choose to engage in?

 

[Seawytch]

And you still haven't shown where it states in the bill that Homo students are being specifically targeted.

Ah, so you've not read it. I see. Well, at the very beginning of the bill it says: "inconsistent with natural human reproduction" and then talks about everything else. That is RW, hide the homophobia speak for "ghey".

Are ya' all so stupid as to think that clear thinking people are buying into your paranoid bullshit and hyperbole that you spew to try and justify the abjectly sick perversity you choose to engage in?

Why do you think it was dubbed the "don't say gay" bill? Do you truly believe that by not mentioning gays that kids won't be gay? Really?

When I was growing up and going to school, gays were not mentioned in any other aspect than derision and hatred and yet gay people still end up being gay. Funny that.

 

[koshergrl]

Good grief you people are nuts.

 

[Seawytch]

Good grief you people are nuts.

And there is the cogent and in depth response I expected. Thanks!

 

[koshergrl]

You have had in depth, cogent responses. They're wasted on loons with an agenda, who aren't interested in truth, or fact, or anything else except exploiting school kids to further that agenda.

 

[Seawytch]

You have had in depth, cogent responses. They're wasted on loons with an agenda, who aren't interested in truth, or fact, or anything else except exploiting school kids to further that agenda.

You did no such thing. You relied on "gays are icky so they should be ratted on" as your argument. Fail.

So tell me, since you think you know, what is the "agenda" you froth about? My only agenda is tolerance and equality. This bill doesn't do that, it singles out gays from the get go. Can't say gay and if you do, the teacher's gonna tell your parents.

What a responsible approach! Good thing this bill will FAIL...just like all the anti gay arguments.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Have they had a vote on this abortion of a bill yet, or are they even going to embarass themselves and bring it up for a vote?

 

[koshergrl]

^^Illogical, and dishonest.

When you stop spouting complete fabricated nonsense, maybe we'll converse. Until then, I'll just refer you to the many posts I've made throughout this thread, which include citations, references, and links.

 

[koshergrl]

PS...we have already established that the bill is not about ratting on gays. That's just what the gays are saying, because they want to eliminate any chance that teachers might let parents know when kids are giving blow jobs at school..

 

[Wicked Jester]

And you still haven't shown where it states in the bill that Homo students are being specifically targeted.

Ah, so you've not read it. I see. Well, at the very beginning of the bill it says: "inconsistent with natural human reproduction" and then talks about everything else. That is RW, hide the homophobia speak for "ghey".

Are ya' all so stupid as to think that clear thinking people are buying into your paranoid bullshit and hyperbole that you spew to try and justify the abjectly sick perversity you choose to engage in?

Why do you think it was dubbed the "don't say gay" bill? Do you truly believe that by not mentioning gays that kids won't be gay? Really?

When I was growing up and going to school, gays were not mentioned in any other aspect than derision and hatred and yet gay people still end up being gay. Funny that.

So, how can a so-called gay, "end up" being gay, if they were supposedly born that way?....I mean, if they were supposedly born that way, they wouldn't have to "end up" being gay, because they were born that way, and it would supposedly be something they wouldn't have to "end up" being. Funny that.

Now, "inconsistent with natural human reproduction" can most definitely be construed as certain sex acts, such as handjobs, blowjobs, taking it up the ass, or screwing a damn donkey, all of which are not natural with human reproduction, and can be practiced by both hetero's and homo's.....So, show us where it specifically states in the bill that homo's are being targeted exclusively.

And, how 'bout telling us if you were a parent, and your minor child was known by the school to be participating in activities that may be detrimental to their health and well being, how you would feel if the school withheld that information from you.

'cause any parent who wouldn't be pissed off, to the point of raising holy hell about it, after finding out the school concealed that information, is not worthy of EVER raising a child.

 

[Seawytch]

^^Illogical, and dishonest.

When you stop spouting complete fabricated nonsense, maybe we'll converse. Until then, I'll just refer you to the many posts I've made throughout this thread, which include citations, references, and links.

You do realize that if you don't quote the post you're responding to, you point to yourself. Maybe, subliminally, you do realize it.

Your links and citations had nothing to do with this bill. You think that this bill means that if anyone has sex, the teacher must inform the parents. That is the requirement without this bill. This bill, the "Don't Say Gay" bill would prohibit the word from being mentioned and if it is, by a student, the teacher can answer the question, but has to tell the parents it was asked.

What purpose does that serve? Do you really think you could stop a kid from being gay? Honestly, do you?