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More importantly, it will keep killings from happening, but who cares about that, right?
So, in effect, the killing of a few is worth it.
It's racist to bring up the FACT that white people are generally less violent than other races?
You're the one who keeps comparing us to those other predominately white countries. In your warped mind, it has nothing to do with the kind of people committing violent crimes, it's because some guns are violent by nature.
More importantly, it will keep killings from happening, but who cares about that, right?
So, in effect, the killing of a few is worth it.
Again, you haven't made the case yet that SSRI cause killings. All you've proven is that people who are crazy enough to need SSRI's are crazy enough to kill people if you are stupid enough to call gun ownership a right and let any crazy person buy one.
And speaking of crazy.
It's racist to bring up the FACT that white people are generally less violent than other races?
You're the one who keeps comparing us to those other predominately white countries. In your warped mind, it has nothing to do with the kind of people committing violent crimes, it's because some guns are violent by nature.
Um, no, I'm the one who points out that countries that don't let any crazy asshole own a gun usually don't have this problem. Some of them aren't even inhabited by white people. (Namely Japan.)
Right.......the Japanese.
Right.......the Japanese.
Buddy, you are the one who equats skin tone with gun violence... even though most mass shooters are white dudes.
here's the thing.
IF YOU DON'T LET PEOPLE OWN GUNS, YOU DON'T HAVE MASS SHOOTINGS.
This is not fucking complicated.
You leftist really live in your own little bubble. You really think that it's pragmatic to violate our constitution and try to disarm 100% of the public in order stop the 1% that's causing harm.
Do you know why we call criminals criminals? BECAUSE THEY DON'T OBEY LAWS! So what kind of country would Joe like to see?
Um, yeah, because all those other countries have done it, and they are just fine.
Guy, not sure why you waste my time with a bunch of NRA links that 2TinyDick has already posted and were ignored then.
Our problem isn't that we have "Criminals" shooting things up. Our problem is that we have angsty high-school kids shooting things up. They usually weren't criminals before that day they flipped out, but a gun made it easy for them to do it.
More importantly, it will keep killings from happening, but who cares about that, right?
So, in effect, the killing of a few is worth it.
Again, you haven't made the case yet that SSRI cause killings. All you've proven is that people who are crazy enough to need SSRI's are crazy enough to kill people if you are stupid enough to call gun ownership a right and let any crazy person buy one.
And speaking of crazy.
It's racist to bring up the FACT that white people are generally less violent than other races?
You're the one who keeps comparing us to those other predominately white countries. In your warped mind, it has nothing to do with the kind of people committing violent crimes, it's because some guns are violent by nature.
Um, no, I'm the one who points out that countries that don't let any crazy asshole own a gun usually don't have this problem. Some of them aren't even inhabited by white people. (Namely Japan.)
Dimitrios Pagourtzis Identified As Sante Fe High School Shooter
“Governor Greg Abbott confirmed Pagourtzis used a shotgun and .38 revolver in the shooting that belonged to his father.”
Gun control does not work....
How about “law abiding gun owners” secure their guns instead of leaving them lying around for their psycho kid to grab?
Dad should be charged .
So much for the leftist theory that stronger background checks will solve the problem.
Actually our problem is both; school shootings and individual murders. So you stop a mass killing with a gun, and the kook goes out and rents a truck instead. What did you solve?
We’ve had crazy people from the beginning of time. We’ve had guns for several hundred years. We’ve had semi autos for over a century. We’ve had SSRI antidepressants for 30.
Hmmmmmm, what changed Joe?
I'm sure you think so. Instead of educating yourself by reading links people post, you put your hands against your ears and sign aloud. You criticize stories when you don't even know where they came from yet alone what they said, or the hyperlinks many of them provide for evidence.
Um, no, I'm the one who points out that countries that don't let any crazy asshole own a gun usually don't have this problem. Some of them aren't even inhabited by white people. (Namely Japan.)
Semi-automatics were easily obtainable by civilians (They were limited to military use) and the gun industry flooded our streets with them to increase sales.
That's what changed
Um, no, I'm the one who points out that countries that don't let any crazy asshole own a gun usually don't have this problem. Some of them aren't even inhabited by white people. (Namely Japan.)
Culture.
Japan also has a far higher rate of suicide. What do you suppose is the cause of that? Inability to buy guns?
Semi-automatics were easily obtainable by civilians (They were limited to military use) and the gun industry flooded our streets with them to increase sales.
That's what changed
Semi-automatics have always been available to civilians. ALL of these are semi-automatic weapons.
Since the proliferation of guns, crime has plummeted. Why is that a bad thing?
I'm sure you think so. Instead of educating yourself by reading links people post, you put your hands against your ears and sign aloud. You criticize stories when you don't even know where they came from yet alone what they said, or the hyperlinks many of them provide for evidence.
No, I just realize that when a racist hateful piece of shit loser posts something to rationalize his racism, it isn't worth my time.
We’ve had crazy people from the beginning of time. We’ve had guns for several hundred years. We’ve had semi autos for over a century. We’ve had SSRI antidepressants for 30.
Hmmmmmm, what changed Joe?
Semi-automatics were easily obtainable by civilians (They were limited to military use) and the gun industry flooded our streets with them to increase sales.
That's what changeded.
Um, no, I'm the one who points out that countries that don't let any crazy asshole own a gun usually don't have this problem. Some of them aren't even inhabited by white people. (Namely Japan.)
Culture.
Japan also has a far higher rate of suicide. What do you suppose is the cause of that? Inability to buy guns?
He knows that gun control isn't the reason they have low gun crime in Japan, he has been shown over and over it is Japanese Culture that keeps all crime low in Japan.
Also.....long prison sentences for gun criminals.....they actually lock up their gun criminals in Japan, unlike here where joe's democrats let repeat, violent gun offenders out of prison over and over again....
On Japan.....
Japan: Gun Control and People Control
Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.
Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder. Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4. Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.
The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.
Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.
Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.
Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.
For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.
In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.
The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.
The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.
15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."
The police box system contrasts sharply with the practice in America. Here, most departments adopt a policy of "stranger policing." To prevent corruption, police are frequently rotated from one neighborhood to another. But as federal judge Charles Silberman writes, "the cure is worse than the disease, for officers develop no sense of identification with their beats, hence no emotional stake in improving the quality of life there."
Thus, the U.S. citizenry does not develop a supportive relationship with the police. One poll showed that 60% of police officers believe "it is difficult to persuade people to give patrolmen the information they need."
The Japanese police do not spend all their time in the koban boxes. As the Japanese government puts it: "Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police boxes." Making annual visits to each home in their beat, officers keep track of who lives where, and which family member to contact in case of emergency. The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.
Gun banners might rejoice at a society where the police keep such a sharp eye on citizens' guns. But the price is that the police keep an eye on everything.
Policemen are apt to tell people reading sexually-oriented magazines to read something more worthwhile. Japan's major official year-end police report includes statistics like "Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct." In 1985, the police determined that 37.4% of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had had sex "voluntarily." For the volunteers, 19.6% acted "out of curiosity", while for 18.1%, the motive was "liked particular boy." The year-end police report also includes sections on labor demands, and on anti-nuclear or anti-military demonstrations.
Long prison sentences are the only way to stop criminals who use guns for crime...
Japan’s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols
Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.
“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”
The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.
Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.
Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.
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A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”
Um, no, I'm the one who points out that countries that don't let any crazy asshole own a gun usually don't have this problem. Some of them aren't even inhabited by white people. (Namely Japan.)
Culture.
Japan also has a far higher rate of suicide. What do you suppose is the cause of that? Inability to buy guns?
He knows that gun control isn't the reason they have low gun crime in Japan, he has been shown over and over it is Japanese Culture that keeps all crime low in Japan.
Also.....long prison sentences for gun criminals.....they actually lock up their gun criminals in Japan, unlike here where joe's democrats let repeat, violent gun offenders out of prison over and over again....
On Japan.....
Japan: Gun Control and People Control
Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.
Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder. Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4. Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.
The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.
Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.
Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.
Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.
For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.
In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.
The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.
The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.
15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."
The police box system contrasts sharply with the practice in America. Here, most departments adopt a policy of "stranger policing." To prevent corruption, police are frequently rotated from one neighborhood to another. But as federal judge Charles Silberman writes, "the cure is worse than the disease, for officers develop no sense of identification with their beats, hence no emotional stake in improving the quality of life there."
Thus, the U.S. citizenry does not develop a supportive relationship with the police. One poll showed that 60% of police officers believe "it is difficult to persuade people to give patrolmen the information they need."
The Japanese police do not spend all their time in the koban boxes. As the Japanese government puts it: "Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police boxes." Making annual visits to each home in their beat, officers keep track of who lives where, and which family member to contact in case of emergency. The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.
Gun banners might rejoice at a society where the police keep such a sharp eye on citizens' guns. But the price is that the police keep an eye on everything.
Policemen are apt to tell people reading sexually-oriented magazines to read something more worthwhile. Japan's major official year-end police report includes statistics like "Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct." In 1985, the police determined that 37.4% of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had had sex "voluntarily." For the volunteers, 19.6% acted "out of curiosity", while for 18.1%, the motive was "liked particular boy." The year-end police report also includes sections on labor demands, and on anti-nuclear or anti-military demonstrations.
Long prison sentences are the only way to stop criminals who use guns for crime...
Japan’s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols
Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.
“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”
The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.
Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.
Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.
---
A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”
And while our US prisoners are working out in weight rooms, playing pool in the pool room, or outside in the football field, here is the way their prisoners are treated:
Um, no, I'm the one who points out that countries that don't let any crazy asshole own a gun usually don't have this problem. Some of them aren't even inhabited by white people. (Namely Japan.)
Culture.
Japan also has a far higher rate of suicide. What do you suppose is the cause of that? Inability to buy guns?
He knows that gun control isn't the reason they have low gun crime in Japan, he has been shown over and over it is Japanese Culture that keeps all crime low in Japan.
Also.....long prison sentences for gun criminals.....they actually lock up their gun criminals in Japan, unlike here where joe's democrats let repeat, violent gun offenders out of prison over and over again....
On Japan.....
Japan: Gun Control and People Control
Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.
Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder. Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4. Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.
The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.
Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.
Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.
Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.
For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.
In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.
The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.
The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.
15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."
The police box system contrasts sharply with the practice in America. Here, most departments adopt a policy of "stranger policing." To prevent corruption, police are frequently rotated from one neighborhood to another. But as federal judge Charles Silberman writes, "the cure is worse than the disease, for officers develop no sense of identification with their beats, hence no emotional stake in improving the quality of life there."
Thus, the U.S. citizenry does not develop a supportive relationship with the police. One poll showed that 60% of police officers believe "it is difficult to persuade people to give patrolmen the information they need."
The Japanese police do not spend all their time in the koban boxes. As the Japanese government puts it: "Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police boxes." Making annual visits to each home in their beat, officers keep track of who lives where, and which family member to contact in case of emergency. The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.
Gun banners might rejoice at a society where the police keep such a sharp eye on citizens' guns. But the price is that the police keep an eye on everything.
Policemen are apt to tell people reading sexually-oriented magazines to read something more worthwhile. Japan's major official year-end police report includes statistics like "Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct." In 1985, the police determined that 37.4% of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had had sex "voluntarily." For the volunteers, 19.6% acted "out of curiosity", while for 18.1%, the motive was "liked particular boy." The year-end police report also includes sections on labor demands, and on anti-nuclear or anti-military demonstrations.
Long prison sentences are the only way to stop criminals who use guns for crime...
Japan’s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols
Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.
“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”
The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.
Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.
Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.
---
A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”
And while our US prisoners are working out in weight rooms, playing pool in the pool room, or outside in the football field, here is the way their prisoners are treated:
