no tax return, no place on ballot

[daveman]

Do you think he pays trillions in taxes? No?

Then he's forcing other people to pay for his promises. At least try not to be stupid.

He is paying for his promises unlike Trump. Yes, that is true.

He hasn't paid for shit. He's never had to meet a payroll. He's been living on taxpayer money all his life. He's completely disconnected from the working class...yet thinks he can tell us how to live.

And you want to let him.

Most people can live their lives without being told what to do, without being taken care of.

Liberals project their own fear of freedom and responsibility on everyone else and insist the government should take care of everyone.

Liberals have no self-respect.

He isn't telling anyone how to live. He's trying to see that we catch up to the rest of the first world countries and see that everyone can afford health care.

Oh, so saying "You have to pay to take care of other people" isn't telling anyone else how they have to live?

It's going to happen. Just a matter of time. You can pretend it's still the 19th century if you wish.

And you can pretend unicorns will fart healthcare. What you want is a failure.

I can tell you've never been treated by the VA.

 

[NotYourBody]

The effective rate would still apply today. Nobody would pay up to 70%. Hell right now 2/3 of corporations don’t pay any federal taxes effectively.

If they aren't going to pay 70%, then his plan can't get funded now can it?

Currently Medicare costs us about 750 billion dollars per year, and only 15% of our population is on it. That means it would cost us over six times that amount every year for everybody to be covered. And as Congressman Delaney pointed out, many of the hospitals would close and many doctors would leave the industry.

What you don't understand is that the government only pays for part of the cost for care of their patients. My experience is about 80%. They make up the loss through private pay and insurance payments. This is why when you see facilities close up, it's usually in poorer neighborhoods where most of the patients are government clients. There is no way for them to recoup those government losses.

So with Bernie's plan for starters, it would cost us 4.5 trillion a year which is more than what we spend on everything now, and we're adding to the debt because of it. To keep those hospitals and doctors we currently have, it would cost us an extra 20%. That puts us well over 5 trillion a year, and we still need to fund all our other social programs and defense of this country.

Now tell me that's going to work.

It can get funded because he would close loopholes and deductions to make it work. Either way, the effective tax rate is the 50’s was higher and the world didn’t collapse did it?

Why would the doctors quit? Why would the hospitals close? Based on what? You also forget that we pay per capita more than any nation in the world on earth on healthcare. A socialized system would save us money.

Look, I know you're a socialist, and therefore completely disconnected from reality -- the only people further afield are Communists and anarcho-Communists -- but do you really want the government deciding whose healthcare is too expensive to pay for?

Proponents of socialized medicine claim it's only doctors who make those decisions. That, of course, is utter nonsense. The bean counters rule. And if the deem your treatment is too expensive, you will die. If you're lucky, maybe they'll give you painkillers to make your death less agonizing.

Agreed. So let's say they are able to give us government healthcare. Now there are no longer any private insurance companies to compete against them. The government will have you by the balls.

We all know there are good doctors and bad ones. We all know there are good hospitals and clinics and not so good ones. So if we all end up on government healthcare, we would all want the best doctors and surgeons, would't we?

So who and how do we decide who gets what? After all, the good doctors and facilities can't take care of the entire country!

As usual, Democrats would make politics out of it. For the most part, the people in lower income areas might be getting our doctors we working people have. The middle-class and upper middle-class where most of the Republicans are would end up with the metro places and crappy doctors.

If there is anything Democrats have made obvious, it's that they make politics out of anything, and they can't be trusted with anything yet alone our healthcare.

Hey, liberals -- remember the VA healthcare disaster?

Imagine that on a nationwide scale.

If socialized medicine still appeals to you, you're a moron.

You mean like Medicare?

 

[NotYourBody]

It can get funded because he would close loopholes and deductions to make it work. Either way, the effective tax rate is the 50’s was higher and the world didn’t collapse did it?

Why would the doctors quit? Why would the hospitals close? Based on what? You also forget that we pay per capita more than any nation in the world on earth on healthcare. A socialized system would save us money.

Look, I know you're a socialist, and therefore completely disconnected from reality -- the only people further afield are Communists and anarcho-Communists -- but do you really want the government deciding whose healthcare is too expensive to pay for?

Proponents of socialized medicine claim it's only doctors who make those decisions. That, of course, is utter nonsense. The bean counters rule. And if the deem your treatment is too expensive, you will die. If you're lucky, maybe they'll give you painkillers to make your death less agonizing.

Agreed. So let's say they are able to give us government healthcare. Now there are no longer any private insurance companies to compete against them. The government will have you by the balls.

We all know there are good doctors and bad ones. We all know there are good hospitals and clinics and not so good ones. So if we all end up on government healthcare, we would all want the best doctors and surgeons, would't we?

So who and how do we decide who gets what? After all, the good doctors and facilities can't take care of the entire country!

As usual, Democrats would make politics out of it. For the most part, the people in lower income areas might be getting our doctors we working people have. The middle-class and upper middle-class where most of the Republicans are would end up with the metro places and crappy doctors.

If there is anything Democrats have made obvious, it's that they make politics out of anything, and they can't be trusted with anything yet alone our healthcare.

Hey, liberals -- remember the VA healthcare disaster?

Imagine that on a nationwide scale.

If socialized medicine still appeals to you, you're a moron.

Try and take Medicare away.

Oh, you mean the Medicare that people are forced to pay for?

Did you have a point?

A piddling amount you are forced to pay. Not near enough to pay the medical bills for the shitload of entitled selfish boomers.

 

[Rustic]

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Nice special affect. But are you aware things look larger than they really are under water? Have a Democrat with an education explain that to you.

 

[pknopp]

Agreed. So let's say they are able to give us government healthcare. Now there are no longer any private insurance companies to compete against them. The government will have you by the balls.

We all know there are good doctors and bad ones. We all know there are good hospitals and clinics and not so good ones. So if we all end up on government healthcare, we would all want the best doctors and surgeons, would't we?

So who and how do we decide who gets what? After all, the good doctors and facilities can't take care of the entire country!

As usual, Democrats would make politics out of it. For the most part, the people in lower income areas might be getting our doctors we working people have. The middle-class and upper middle-class where most of the Republicans are would end up with the metro places and crappy doctors.

If there is anything Democrats have made obvious, it's that they make politics out of anything, and they can't be trusted with anything yet alone our healthcare.

Hey, liberals -- remember the VA healthcare disaster?

Imagine that on a nationwide scale.

If socialized medicine still appeals to you, you're a moron.

Try and take Medicare away.

Oh, you mean the Medicare that people are forced to pay for?

Did you have a point?

I made it. Bernie is simply expanding on that.

At gunpoint. Right, Comrade?

Gets old. You live here and you do pay your taxes. Internet bravado is a waste of time.

 

[pknopp]

He is paying for his promises unlike Trump. Yes, that is true.

He hasn't paid for shit. He's never had to meet a payroll. He's been living on taxpayer money all his life. He's completely disconnected from the working class...yet thinks he can tell us how to live.

And you want to let him.

Most people can live their lives without being told what to do, without being taken care of.

Liberals project their own fear of freedom and responsibility on everyone else and insist the government should take care of everyone.

Liberals have no self-respect.

He isn't telling anyone how to live. He's trying to see that we catch up to the rest of the first world countries and see that everyone can afford health care.

Oh, so saying "You have to pay to take care of other people" isn't telling anyone else how they have to live?

It's going to happen. Just a matter of time. You can pretend it's still the 19th century if you wish.

And you can pretend unicorns will fart healthcare. What you want is a failure.

I can tell you've never been treated by the VA.

There are occasions an airplane falls from the sky. That does not mean airflight is a failure. We need to hold those who run the VA to a different standard than what we do. I will not argue otherwise but then again, there should be far fewer being treated.

 

[jc456]

Yes, the idea that they are "free" is a lie. Bernie has a program to pay for everything he proposed.

Bernie ain't paying for shit. He has a program to force other people to pay for everything he proposed.

As far as I know he pays taxes also.

Do you think he pays trillions in taxes? No?

Then he's forcing other people to pay for his promises. At least try not to be stupid.

He is paying for his promises unlike Trump. Yes, that is true.

He hasn't paid for shit. He's never had to meet a payroll. He's been living on taxpayer money all his life. He's completely disconnected from the working class...yet thinks he can tell us how to live.

And you want to let him.

Most people can live their lives without being told what to do, without being taken care of.

Liberals project their own fear of freedom and responsibility on everyone else and insist the government should take care of everyone.

Liberals have no self-respect.

It’s obvious this cat isn’t independent enough, and needs people like Bernie for free shit and shit on us, fk him and all like him. I’m done with people who think my money is theirs. I spit at them spft

 

[Flopper]

I think a country has a right to know about any conflicts of interests.

I think a candidate should simply be open and honest here though.

That's why they do financial statements.

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Trump is a known liar. I want to see what he sent to the IRS.

Want in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up the fastest. Federal law says tax returns are confidential and release without the taxpayers consent is a felony. Neither you or CA has the authority to force a taxpayer to release their returns.

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California is not forcing Trump to release his tax return. It's his choice.

And so if every state is allowed to add their own requirements of the Constitution, then the Republican can't run in those states and he's not deprived of the constitutional right to run for President?

California did not change the constitutional requirements for being president nor did they add any candidate requirements for listing on the ballot of the presidential general election.

They added requirements for all presidential and state gubernatorial candidates seeking to be listed on state primary ballots. The state does nothing with presidential primary results accept publish them. It is up to the political parties to use those as they sees fit.

What happens in California is not going have any effect on the outcome of the presidential race. Trump people have written off California just as they did in 2016.

 

[Rustic]

Nice special affect. But are you aware things look larger than they really are under water? Have a Democrat with an education explain that to you.

Lol
Progressives have no common sense… you prove it every day

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's why they do financial statements.

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Trump is a known liar. I want to see what he sent to the IRS.

Want in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up the fastest. Federal law says tax returns are confidential and release without the taxpayers consent is a felony. Neither you or CA has the authority to force a taxpayer to release their returns.

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California is not forcing Trump to release his tax return. It's his choice.

And so if every state is allowed to add their own requirements of the Constitution, then the Republican can't run in those states and he's not deprived of the constitutional right to run for President?

California did not change the constitutional requirements for being president nor did they add any candidate requirements for listing on the ballot of the presidential general election.

They added requirements for all presidential and state gubernatorial candidates seeking to be listed on state primary ballots. The state does nothing with presidential primary results accept publish them. It is up to the political parties to use those as they sees fit.

What happens in California is not going have any effect on the outcome of the presidential race. Trump people have written off California just as they did in 2016.

That is not the point. The point is what they are doing is totally unconstitutional. If Trump allows them to get away with this because it's meaningless, then what's next?

What's next is that if CA gets away with it, some commie in a swing state might do the same. You have to stop anti-Americans in their track at the first sign of trouble, or like any other child, they will advance to the next step.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Because it puts another requirement above and beyond those listed in the Constitution. 35 years or older, Natural Born Citizen,

That's it.

A primary is a state election, not a federal election. There is no constitution violation. States can put whatever requirements they choose on candidates as long it applies to all candidates.

Do you have any precedent for that?

Most restrictions are based on making sure the ballots are not 500 pages long, with signature requirements.

None have ever been based on disclosure of information beyond the federal requirements.

You would lose in court.

The state of California is not altering requirements for the presidency. They are altering the requirements to appear on the ballot of a state primary. Political parties can nominate whoever they choose for president by whatever method they choose.

"The Supreme Court has said that states have broad latitude over who is going to be on the ballot so long as they aren’t discriminating based on wealth and ideology."

Since the law requires tax returns be filled by the end of the year and there will be multiple cases filled in federal court, it seems unlikely that this will be resolved in the courts before the end of the year. Some federal judge will issue an injunction against the state which will effectively save the royal ass of the president once again.

Where did you get your quote from? Afraid of letting us know the source you dime store hack?

Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the University of California at Berkeley School of Law. He is an expert in constitutional law, federal practice, civil rights and civil liberties, and appellate litigation.
Op-Ed: California's new law requiring presidential candidates to disclose tax returns is constitutional

Too bad for you leftists he's not a judge. It's a good illustration why no leftist should be judges.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Except for the fact nobody ever paid 90%. Why would you earn a million dollars if you had to give it all to the government? If the tax rate was 70%, and your local taxes are another 20%, it makes no sense to create income. Only Communists and Socialists would approve something that stupid.

The effective rate would still apply today. Nobody would pay up to 70%. Hell right now 2/3 of corporations don’t pay any federal taxes effectively.

If they aren't going to pay 70%, then his plan can't get funded now can it?

Currently Medicare costs us about 750 billion dollars per year, and only 15% of our population is on it. That means it would cost us over six times that amount every year for everybody to be covered. And as Congressman Delaney pointed out, many of the hospitals would close and many doctors would leave the industry.

What you don't understand is that the government only pays for part of the cost for care of their patients. My experience is about 80%. They make up the loss through private pay and insurance payments. This is why when you see facilities close up, it's usually in poorer neighborhoods where most of the patients are government clients. There is no way for them to recoup those government losses.

So with Bernie's plan for starters, it would cost us 4.5 trillion a year which is more than what we spend on everything now, and we're adding to the debt because of it. To keep those hospitals and doctors we currently have, it would cost us an extra 20%. That puts us well over 5 trillion a year, and we still need to fund all our other social programs and defense of this country.

Now tell me that's going to work.

It can get funded because he would close loopholes and deductions to make it work. Either way, the effective tax rate is the 50’s was higher and the world didn’t collapse did it?

Why would the doctors quit? Why would the hospitals close? Based on what? You also forget that we pay per capita more than any nation in the world on earth on healthcare. A socialized system would save us money.

I just explained why hospitals would close and doctors would quit. No business can operate at a loss or even break even for that matter. Do you think an American wants to spend 8 years of their life racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans to become a physician only to work until 50 years old before it's paid off?

There is only one way to approach the healthcare problem, and that is analyze why it's so expensive in the first place. I guarantee you government is mostly responsible for that. After we greatly reduce the cost for healthcare, then let's figure out a way to pay for it. But this approach of paying for something that's out of control cost-wise is pure stupidity. That's why Commie Care is such a failure.

Now as to the tax rate. Yes, people paid higher taxes, but there were not many places left to go. Overseas travel was dangerous and expensive. Communications were antiquated and long distance was expensive, unreliable and the sound quality was miserable.

Today a business owner can pack up and move out of the country with no problem. He can keep track of his investments up to the minute on his or her cell phone. He can have corporate meetings on Skype or other means of virtual gatherings. With radar and satellites, overseas travel has never been safer.

See, what you don’t get is, 1st world countries in Europe have great socialist healthcare systems and there’s no critical shortage of doctors. You act as though our system is the best and when really it is the worst among developed nations. And I’ll tell you why it is worst and the most expensive: it’s a ridiculous for-profit system. People pay for prescription drugs at sky rocket rates. The same drugs in other countries cost a fraction of the same price. That shit is deliberate. Lobbyists made it illegal for Medicare to negotiate lower drug prices.

I don’t understand what point you’re making here. Regardless of the limitations at the time, rich people paid more in effective taxes and the middle class thrived.

I was not alive in the 50's, I was born in 1960, and let me tell you, nobody was thriving back then.

There is no critical shortage of doctors in socialized healthcare? Why don't you visit one country north where people wait forever to have serious medical issues addressed?

Being a truck driver in Cleveland, I often rub elbows with Canadian drivers. While waiting to get loaded or unloaded, we often talk.

I try to bring up the healthcare situation here and there. The younger drivers tell me they love their system. The older drivers tell me to keep what we have, or we will be sorry if in any way duplicate their system.

Show me one country where you think the healthcare system is perfect, and I'll provide several articles saying it's not so, because every country in the world has healthcare issues including the US. Ours may be different in the way of problems, but don't kid yourself thinking they don't have problems as well.

So you want government to control prescription prices? Great idea.

Hillary's Vaccine Shortage

 

[SmokeALib]

sounds good to me -

Trump’s tax returns required under new California election law

Fuck California. Trump wins anyway.

 

[MaryL]

Trump needs to put out up his tax records, yes indeed I agree. So in the same spirit of clarity and optics and transparency : Umm... why haven't we the people been able to vote on say, something as simples as sanctuary cities? In that same sprit open mindedness and clarity. Trumps tax returns may yield a lot of questions, but why is my home town a sanctuary to illegals that was never on a ballot? Or inform us ahead of time or anything? Why haven't our leaders bother to ask US what We want? Instead they silently forbade laws enforcement following immigration law and forbade witto bittiy stuff that we didn't ask for or need. Democratically . But it really helps all those wealthy contractors with deep pockets , They outweigh the will of the plebeians.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The effective rate would still apply today. Nobody would pay up to 70%. Hell right now 2/3 of corporations don’t pay any federal taxes effectively.

If they aren't going to pay 70%, then his plan can't get funded now can it?

Currently Medicare costs us about 750 billion dollars per year, and only 15% of our population is on it. That means it would cost us over six times that amount every year for everybody to be covered. And as Congressman Delaney pointed out, many of the hospitals would close and many doctors would leave the industry.

What you don't understand is that the government only pays for part of the cost for care of their patients. My experience is about 80%. They make up the loss through private pay and insurance payments. This is why when you see facilities close up, it's usually in poorer neighborhoods where most of the patients are government clients. There is no way for them to recoup those government losses.

So with Bernie's plan for starters, it would cost us 4.5 trillion a year which is more than what we spend on everything now, and we're adding to the debt because of it. To keep those hospitals and doctors we currently have, it would cost us an extra 20%. That puts us well over 5 trillion a year, and we still need to fund all our other social programs and defense of this country.

Now tell me that's going to work.

It can get funded because he would close loopholes and deductions to make it work. Either way, the effective tax rate is the 50’s was higher and the world didn’t collapse did it?

Why would the doctors quit? Why would the hospitals close? Based on what? You also forget that we pay per capita more than any nation in the world on earth on healthcare. A socialized system would save us money.

I just explained why hospitals would close and doctors would quit. No business can operate at a loss or even break even for that matter. Do you think an American wants to spend 8 years of their life racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans to become a physician only to work until 50 years old before it's paid off?

There is only one way to approach the healthcare problem, and that is analyze why it's so expensive in the first place. I guarantee you government is mostly responsible for that. After we greatly reduce the cost for healthcare, then let's figure out a way to pay for it. But this approach of paying for something that's out of control cost-wise is pure stupidity. That's why Commie Care is such a failure.

Now as to the tax rate. Yes, people paid higher taxes, but there were not many places left to go. Overseas travel was dangerous and expensive. Communications were antiquated and long distance was expensive, unreliable and the sound quality was miserable.

Today a business owner can pack up and move out of the country with no problem. He can keep track of his investments up to the minute on his or her cell phone. He can have corporate meetings on Skype or other means of virtual gatherings. With radar and satellites, overseas travel has never been safer.

See, what you don’t get is, 1st world countries in Europe have great socialist healthcare systems and there’s no critical shortage of doctors. You act as though our system is the best and when really it is the worst among developed nations. And I’ll tell you why it is worst and the most expensive: it’s a ridiculous for-profit system. People pay for prescription drugs at sky rocket rates. The same drugs in other countries cost a fraction of the same price. That shit is deliberate. Lobbyists made it illegal for Medicare to negotiate lower drug prices.

I don’t understand what point you’re making here. Regardless of the limitations at the time, rich people paid more in effective taxes and the middle class thrived.

I was not alive in the 50's, I was born in 1960, and let me tell you, nobody was thriving back then.

There is no critical shortage of doctors in socialized healthcare? Why don't you visit one country north where people wait forever to have serious medical issues addressed?

Being a truck driver in Cleveland, I often rub elbows with Canadian drivers. While waiting to get loaded or unloaded, we often talk.

I try to bring up the healthcare situation here and there. The younger drivers tell me they love their system. The older drivers tell me to keep what we have, or we will be sorry if in any way duplicate their system.

Show me one country where you think the healthcare system is perfect, and I'll provide several articles saying it's not so, because every country in the world has healthcare issues including the US. Ours may be different in the way of problems, but don't kid yourself thinking they don't have problems as well.

So you want government to control prescription prices? Great idea.

Hillary's Vaccine Shortage

Price controls are proven to be a really bad idea. We have a long history of price control policies going back to the 1930s. Every one of them ended in disaster. The fact that people still propose price controls demonstrates a horrible failure of our education system and a general ignorance of basic economics.

Only competition and efforts to increase the supply can control prices. Government regulation is a big log jam on supply.

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[flacaltenn]

sounds good to me -

Trump’s tax returns required under new California election law

Oh COOL... Ought to be enough to put Feinstein and her hubby away for the short rest of their lives.....

GOOD MOVE...

As far as Trump goes -- his returns fill about 4 eighteen wheelers.. So no one is gonna figure anything out til about 2025....

 

[yidnar]

sounds good to me -

Trump’s tax returns required under new California election law

like California will ever vote for a real American that is not a commy fagg !!!

 

[MaryL]

Trump needs to put out up his tax records, yes indeed I agree. So in the same spirit of clarity and optics and transparency : Umm... why haven't we the people been able to vote on say, something as simple as sanctuary cities? In that same spirit open mindedness and clarity. Trumps tax returns may yield a lot of questions, but why is my home town a sanctuary to illegals, why was that never on a ballot? Or inform us ahead of time or anything? Why haven't our leaders bothered to ask US what We want? Instead they silently forbade law enforcement following immigration law and forbade witto bittiy stuff that we didn't ask for or need. Democratically . But it really helps all those wealthy contractors with deep pockets , They outweigh the will of the plebeians. Meanwhile back at the ranch, we have all these homeless poor that have no jobs and are homeless. So how is allowing illegals humanitarian? But it isn't exploitive and cynical? And then not being able to vote on it in a democracy? I feel the deep hand of George Soros deep dark manipulation's. Humanitarianism is a cheap selling point to that Magyar soulless creep.

 

[flacaltenn]

sounds good to me -

Trump’s tax returns required under new California election law

It's also toothless... California CAN NOT require that for the general election..Only for the primaries where the STATES make the rules... Bet you didn't know that right? Because this is being done to BOOST your sagging ill informed spirits and no other reason..

So Trump can just SKIP the Cal ballot or drum up a HUGE "write-in" campaign that will get him the Republican delegates he needs anyways...

You Dems have moved from derangement to delusion and all these juvenile hissy fits are just back-firing on you.. It's comical -- but sad to watch...

Trump could WIN the Cal Primary with about 200,000 votes.. And he'd LOVE to be a write-in candidate and fight that in court for accurate counting...

You looking pretty dumb as a governing party.. And trying to look even dumber.....