No Wonder Libs Are Upset - The Surge Is Working

[red states rule]

you really can't do it, can you?

wow.

what a moron.

The good news is being ignored while the liberal media show their bias

This is only one of the things that bugs MM

 

[maineman]

RSR...rather than cut and paste some article from somewhere...why not take each of these paragraphs and address their content in your own words?


Quote:
Originally Posted by maineman
he has made some rather outlandish allegations. He has suggested that American casualties are down by 60% because of the surge....yet he posts a website showing DoD casualty figures which clearly show that the rate of Americans dying in Iraq has remained unchanged throughout the "surge" and is, in fact, over the past 6 months, 37% higher than the previous 6 months.

He continues to avoid that simple fact which disproves the very essence of this thread. He NEVER writes anything himself of ANY substance beyond a sentence or two...He NEVER answers questions posed to him.

He continues to post the same tired old press release from a british media centre in baghdad which shows that casualties in the baghdad area are down by 60% and IGNORES the fact that American casualties throughout the country remain at the same rate they have been for several months. He completely refuses to accept the logical conclusion of those two pieces of information: that while the deaths in baghdad proper are down, they are UP in other areas showing that the insurgents have just moved their carnage to where we do not have heavy troop concentrations.

AND he insults my service continually. I have only started pointing out that his membership in the fabled 101st Fighting Keyboardist's Brigade is really not SERVICE per se...and that his pompom waving for this war while braver Americans die in it repulses me

 

[actsnoblemartin]

My understanding, without getting into politics is...

There are four provences that are giving us problems, out of a total of 18. Now, how long has this surge been going on?, how long should we give the surge before a fair, and non-biased assesment can be made of whether it is working or not, what adjustments can be made, etc.

Secondly, how does everybody see the surge so far, the numbers of one provence (baghdad), civilian deaths caused by americans, insurgent terrorists vs the total number of deaths in the four provences vs the total number of peaceful provences (14)

Now let me make clear, I dont mind if im proven to be wrong here, I just want some peaceful discussion (not angry debate) for a change.

Also, while i dont want our soldiers being used for target practice, and i understand, we cant just blow up iraq, I dont think we can hand iran, an oil rich country, that could help them take over the middle east.

Your opinions, your thoughts, your feelings

Where am i RIGHT, where am i WRONG?

Love y'all

so please be nice, when you rebuke me, or critique this.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

Maineman, where did you find this website. It seems very reliable, may i ask if you know who created it , im curious.

By the way, when did the surge start?

and i know this next question is stupid, but basically, how do we accurately, honestly, and un-biasedly, judge if the surge is working?

Can you tell us about your first hand knowledge about the military?

I'd like to know what you think

OH and before i forgot, if based on what ive heard, and i could be wrong, that 4 provences are giving us trouble, shouldnt we have a surge of troops in all 4 provences.

Why do you believe a surge, would or would NOT work?

If you were president of the u.s.a. what would you do?

do you still keep in touch with former military buddies?

are you privey to certain intelligence, that you can or can NOT share with us.

Thank you again for you service, if you dont mind me saying, god bless you, and thank you so much for your service.

Any veteran, regardless of politics deserve a thank you, and our respect.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

Maineman, I do not believe the u.s. media is fairly reporting the war. The only part they report is the negative. Ironically, their reports whether they mean to or not, fuel, the far left, who in my judgment want america to lose the war the war on terrorism, the war with iraq, the war with afghanistan, and israel to be destroyed by the palestinians, yes, I have been to an anti war protest, with those far left lunatics, and their were communists socialists, and those chanting for the destruction of israel. I think the far left makes up between 5-20% of the democrats in america, but sadly, I think the far left runs the democratic party.


Redstate: I agree with this statement.

RSR...rather than cut and paste some article from somewhere...why not take each of these paragraphs and address their content in your own words?

 

[actsnoblemartin]

I think two things have to happen to improves relations between red states, and mainemen.

Red state: must answer questions like this: directly, honestly, civlilly

mainemen: stop retaliating

Red state, I hate to say this, but you are the instegator here. Every time you are asked a question, you're answer is: liberals are "fill in blank"

that is not how to answer a question

and mainemen, everytime, you respond in a negative way, i.e. calling him a moron, you are giving him what he wants. He is trying to piss you off, he gets joy off it.

I think relations can be re-built

if

red state: drop your ego, god is not gonna come down from the sky, and take you to hell if your wrong, or people dont agree with you

mainemen: Dont worry so much about being right, and proving him in wrong, cause in the end, you can only convince yourself what is right and you cant control other people

Im trying to be an honest broker here, but in-evitably, one or both of you will think im being un-fair.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

I think adding news articles that agree with your point of view, can be a good tool, and using news articles to counter someones point of view can also be a good tool

But using it all the time is a bad idea, because people tire of trying to read long articles. They want to know what you think. On the other hand though, short articles, or links, provide the reader the option, not forcement of reading the article.

Its a give and take.

Shouldnt use articles all the time about 10-30% of time is fine, but shouldnt be forced to not use them, because others dont like them.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

actsnoblemartin.... wouldn't you agree that red states rule has, in fact, "answered" your question by not answering it?

I havent read all the posts yet, so i cant comment, but if you want to give me any evidence. As i hope i have proven, I will do my absolute best to be fair to you, as i consider both you and red state a friend.

I will continue reading posts, and get back to you

is that alright?

what do you think of this website, i havent read it yet, but im watching cnn, and their talking about missile defense, and who better to talk to about missle defense then a 25 year veteran of the navy.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/

 

[actsnoblemartin]

red state, are you stop using an article everytime you speak. You cant let others speak for you 100% of the time, as i said 10-30% of the time, news articles are a good tool, but your over doing it. People want to know what YOU think and feel, and you have no chance of convincing anyone of anything with these long, tedious news articles, while you have a much greater chance, if you just speak from your heart OR atleast use the articles in conjunction with summerizing your thoughts and feeling with them so we dont feel lectured too.

Mainemen, do you see the questions i left for you ?

 

[maineman]

Maineman, where did you find this website. It seems very reliable, may i ask if you know who created it , im curious.

By the way, when did the surge start?

and i know this next question is stupid, but basically, how do we accurately, honestly, and un-biasedly, judge if the surge is working?

Can you tell us about your first hand knowledge about the military?

I'd like to know what you think

OH and before i forgot, if based on what ive heard, and i could be wrong, that 4 provences are giving us trouble, shouldnt we have a surge of troops in all 4 provences.

Why do you believe a surge, would or would NOT work?

If you were president of the u.s.a. what would you do?

do you still keep in touch with former military buddies?

are you privey to certain intelligence, that you can or can NOT share with us.

Thank you again for you service, if you dont mind me saying, god bless you, and thank you so much for your service.

Any veteran, regardless of politics deserve a thank you, and our respect.

In order:

1. the surge began in mid February
2. we would judge the effectiveness of the "surge by a decrease in OVERALL violence and carnage
3. I was a surface line officer with areas of specialization in anti-submarine warfare and steam propulsion. Of note to the subject at hand, however, was my tour of duty as a United nations Military Observer and Crisis Mediator in Lebanon where I worked closely with members of the Iraqi ba'ath party, AMAL, the PLO, the Lebanese National movement, the Druze, the Christian Phalange, and a host of minor arab militias as well as the Israeli Defense Force. I gained an appreciation and an understanding of the middle east and of the incredibly intricate and fluid dynamic between those various sunni- shiite-druze-christian-jewish groups.
4.I believe that we should NOT be in Iraq. period. But if we are going to be there, we should have enough troops to be everywhere there is violence simultaneously.... but alas...that is not possible.
5. If I were President, I would tell Maliki that he has some extremely finite period of time (months as opposed to years) to either get his security in order or reconvene the constitutional convention and consider ways of partitioning Iraq into three separate autonomous nation states because we are THROUGH dying from both sides of a civil war that, in the final analysis, ought not to be any of our business.
6. Yes. I keep in touch with them. I see them. I email them. I go to their weddings. I go to their funerals.
7. I can't say. I doubt that anything I was once privy to is still classified, but I do not know for certain that it is not.
8. You're welcome. It was always my joy and my privilege.

 

[maineman]

any chance of you doing something other than running away from this, rsr?

RSR...rather than cut and paste some article from somewhere...why not take each of these paragraphs and address their content in your own words?


Quote:
Originally Posted by maineman
he has made some rather outlandish allegations. He has suggested that American casualties are down by 60% because of the surge....yet he posts a website showing DoD casualty figures which clearly show that the rate of Americans dying in Iraq has remained unchanged throughout the "surge" and is, in fact, over the past 6 months, 37% higher than the previous 6 months.

He continues to avoid that simple fact which disproves the very essence of this thread. He NEVER writes anything himself of ANY substance beyond a sentence or two...He NEVER answers questions posed to him.

He continues to post the same tired old press release from a british media centre in baghdad which shows that casualties in the baghdad area are down by 60% and IGNORES the fact that American casualties throughout the country remain at the same rate they have been for several months. He completely refuses to accept the logical conclusion of those two pieces of information: that while the deaths in baghdad proper are down, they are UP in other areas showing that the insurgents have just moved their carnage to where we do not have heavy troop concentrations.

AND he insults my service continually. I have only started pointing out that his membership in the fabled 101st Fighting Keyboardist's Brigade is really not SERVICE per se...and that his pompom waving for this war while braver Americans die in it repulses me

 

[maineman]

come ON RSR.... prove to the board that you are not some poorly programmed newsbot... take each of the paragraphs below and try to respond to it with intellectual honesty

RSR...rather than cut and paste some article from somewhere...why not take each of these paragraphs and address their content in your own words?


Quote:
Originally Posted by maineman
he has made some rather outlandish allegations. He has suggested that American casualties are down by 60% because of the surge....yet he posts a website showing DoD casualty figures which clearly show that the rate of Americans dying in Iraq has remained unchanged throughout the "surge" and is, in fact, over the past 6 months, 37% higher than the previous 6 months.

He continues to avoid that simple fact which disproves the very essence of this thread. He NEVER writes anything himself of ANY substance beyond a sentence or two...He NEVER answers questions posed to him.

He continues to post the same tired old press release from a british media centre in baghdad which shows that casualties in the baghdad area are down by 60% and IGNORES the fact that American casualties throughout the country remain at the same rate they have been for several months. He completely refuses to accept the logical conclusion of those two pieces of information: that while the deaths in baghdad proper are down, they are UP in other areas showing that the insurgents have just moved their carnage to where we do not have heavy troop concentrations.

AND he insults my service continually. I have only started pointing out that his membership in the fabled 101st Fighting Keyboardist's Brigade is really not SERVICE per se...and that his pompom waving for this war while braver Americans die in it repulses me

 

[maineman]

RSR....really...no cutting ...no pasting...just YOU...addressing each of these paragraphs below...can you do it or can't you?

RSR...rather than cut and paste some article from somewhere...why not take each of these paragraphs and address their content in your own words?


Quote:
Originally Posted by maineman
he has made some rather outlandish allegations. He has suggested that American casualties are down by 60% because of the surge....yet he posts a website showing DoD casualty figures which clearly show that the rate of Americans dying in Iraq has remained unchanged throughout the "surge" and is, in fact, over the past 6 months, 37% higher than the previous 6 months.

He continues to avoid that simple fact which disproves the very essence of this thread. He NEVER writes anything himself of ANY substance beyond a sentence or two...He NEVER answers questions posed to him.

He continues to post the same tired old press release from a british media centre in baghdad which shows that casualties in the baghdad area are down by 60% and IGNORES the fact that American casualties throughout the country remain at the same rate they have been for several months. He completely refuses to accept the logical conclusion of those two pieces of information: that while the deaths in baghdad proper are down, they are UP in other areas showing that the insurgents have just moved their carnage to where we do not have heavy troop concentrations.

AND he insults my service continually. I have only started pointing out that his membership in the fabled 101st Fighting Keyboardist's Brigade is really not SERVICE per se...and that his pompom waving for this war while braver Americans die in it repulses me

 

[maineman]

this shouldn't be rocket science, RSR... just read the paragraphs below and respond to them

RSR...rather than cut and paste some article from somewhere...why not take each of these paragraphs and address their content in your own words?


Quote:
Originally Posted by maineman
he has made some rather outlandish allegations. He has suggested that American casualties are down by 60% because of the surge....yet he posts a website showing DoD casualty figures which clearly show that the rate of Americans dying in Iraq has remained unchanged throughout the "surge" and is, in fact, over the past 6 months, 37% higher than the previous 6 months.

He continues to avoid that simple fact which disproves the very essence of this thread. He NEVER writes anything himself of ANY substance beyond a sentence or two...He NEVER answers questions posed to him.

He continues to post the same tired old press release from a british media centre in baghdad which shows that casualties in the baghdad area are down by 60% and IGNORES the fact that American casualties throughout the country remain at the same rate they have been for several months. He completely refuses to accept the logical conclusion of those two pieces of information: that while the deaths in baghdad proper are down, they are UP in other areas showing that the insurgents have just moved their carnage to where we do not have heavy troop concentrations.

AND he insults my service continually. I have only started pointing out that his membership in the fabled 101st Fighting Keyboardist's Brigade is really not SERVICE per se...and that his pompom waving for this war while braver Americans die in it repulses me

 

[maineman]

hey! RSR...here kitty kitty

 

[maineman]

bump

 

[maineman]

come ON RSR.... this is your thread...don't run away like a PUSSY!

 

[maineman]

and answer THIS one while you are at it!

 

[maineman]

why are you so afraid of actually carrying on a CONVERSATION? WHy must you ALWAYS rely on the editorial writing of others to serve as your replies to every situation? WHy can't you just go above.... look at my post...and address the points that I have made, point by point?

 

[maineman]

RSR...you ever gonna get back to this thread?

ever gonna explain how the surge is working so well that we are losing Americans in April at the highest rate of any month in the war?

23 dead already this month and it's only a week old.

Wow...that surge sure is something!

Imagine how shitty it would be if the surge WEREN'T "working"????