No Wonder Libs Are Upset - The Surge Is Working

[Bullypulpit]

Kinda sounds like the same thing we would have had to tell the mothers of the dead union soldiers after the civil war if the south had won that one. You would have voted for not trying to fight that war to I presume.

Freedom is NOT FOR PUSSIES.

By the way, over 31,000 dead and wounded from ONE battle (Gettysburg) in the civil war, kinda puts two thousand deaths over 4 years or so, into perspective.

Besides, bottom line is: The soldiers want to be there, the Iraqis want them there, so who are you to fucking say otherwise.

And thanks once again for playing "Really Bad Analogies"! (Game-show music swells in background)

Just what the hell does the Civil War have to do with the current situation? N...O...T...H...I...N...G.

But you are right, freedom is not for "pussies". It requires vigilance, perseverance, foresight and courage to protect and nurture freedom. Unfortunately, these are qualities sadly lacking Bush administration. Although some would consider Bush's rigid intransigence and unrealistic views to be an adequate substitute. Sorry, but they're not.

This poll in "<a href=http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=34538&archive=true>Stars and Stripes</a>" flatly contradicts your assertion that "...the soldiers want to be there", and I quote:

<blockquote>WASHINGTON &#8212; Seventy-two percent of troops on the ground in Iraq think U.S. military forces should get out of the country within a year, according to a Zogby poll released Tuesday. (March, 2006)</blockquote>

And a <a href=http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/165.php?nid=&id=&pnt=165&lb=hmpg1>poll of Iraqi citizens</a>, released on 1/31/06 shows that a majority of Iraqis want US forces to be withdrawn within six months to two years.

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But don't let a few facts stand in the way of your delusions.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

RSR, "No Wonder Libs Are Upset - The Surge Is Working"

As Photo OP McCain visits a Baghdad market right outside the Green Zone wearing body armor and accompanied By 100 Soldiers, 3 Blackhawks, and 2 Apache Gunships.

Yet Saddam Huussein could walk about the streets of Baghdad with just a few bodyguards.

Yes, and Im sure the relatives of the mother who was dug up from a mass grave cradling her 6 month old baby who in turn was holding his little teddy bear, the posistion they were in when saddam gassed tens of thousands of innocent people.

OH hell YEA! After all, he was soooo beloved, he even received 100% of the vote in the last "election" he ran in.

Oh, and dont bother with more of that 3rd grade michael moore mentality of "well, who supplied him with the lethal gas he used on his own people"

Funny how libs never want to put blame on the users of lethal weapons, but only blame the suppliers or the weapons themselves, i.e. "gun control"

DAMN, I could go on forever with examples of imbacilic liberal logic (ouch, liberal logic, yet another oxymoron)

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Any 'progress' attributed to "The Surge" is fleeting and transitory at best. Case in point was Sen. John McCain's recent visit to an open air market in Baghdad. He went there, surrounded by some 100 combat troops and their fire support vehicles along with three Blackhawk and two Apache choppers orbiting overhead.

After all this fire-power and frightfulness packed up and left, this very same market was the target of a car bomb that killed a number of people. And that's how it has gone in Baghdad and elsewhere in Iraq.

AHHHH yes, DEFEATIST mentality at its best.

When losing, its proof we will lose.

When winning, its "fleeting and transitory at best" and we will lose anyways.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

And thanks once again for playing "Really Bad Analogies"! (Game-show music swells in background)

Just what the hell does the Civil War have to do with the current situation? N...O...T...H...I...N...G..

HAHAHHAHHA, Yea, from the kings of bad analogies , those who dare to compare the civil rights battle of blacks to todays attempts of special rights for homos.

But you are right, freedom is not for "pussies". It requires vigilance, perseverance, foresight and courage to protect and nurture freedom. Unfortunately, these are qualities sadly lacking Bush administration. Although some would consider Bush's rigid intransigence and unrealistic views to be an adequate substitute. Sorry, but they're not..

HAHHAHAHHAHAH, I see, typical liberal hypocracy. You say it requires perserverence, try going and reading what the definition of that term is. Pssssst, HINT: It DOESNT include "cut and run"

This poll in "<a href=http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=34538&archive=true>Stars and Stripes</a>" flatly contradicts your assertion that "...the soldiers want to be there", and I quote:

<blockquote>WASHINGTON — Seventy-two percent of troops on the ground in Iraq think U.S. military forces should get out of the country within a year, according to a Zogby poll released Tuesday.</blockquote>

And a <a href=http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/165.php?nid=&id=&pnt=165&lb=hmpg1>poll of Iraqi citizens</a>, released on 1/31/06 shows that a majority of Iraqis want US forces to be withdrawn within six months to two years.

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But don't let a few facts stand in the way of your delusions.

You are a LIAR.

 

[maineman]

Yes, and Im sure the relatives of the mother who was dug up from a mass grave cradling her 6 month old baby who in turn was holding his little teddy bear, the posistion they were in when saddam gassed tens of thousands of innocent people.

OH hell YEA! After all, he was soooo beloved, he even received 100% of the vote in the last "election" he ran in.

Oh, and dont bother with more of that 3rd grade michael moore mentality of "well, who supplied him with the lethal gas he used on his own people"

Funny how libs never want to put blame on the users of lethal weapons, but only blame the suppliers or the weapons themselves, i.e. "gun control"

DAMN, I could go on forever with examples of imbacilic liberal logic (ouch, liberal logic, yet another oxymoron)

no one ever said he was "beloved". Saddam did three things well: he kept sunnis and shiites from slaughtering one another. he kept islamic extremists out of his country, and he kept the regional hegemonic aspirations of Iran. The world is full of assholes, but we don't commit troops and treasure to get rid of all of them.... if we had left this guy in place, he would have continued to do those three things well... and, right now, we would LOVE for somebody to do them well, because we are doing shitty at all three and the entire effort is counterproductive to our war against the folks who attacked us.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Yes, and Im sure the relatives of the mother who was dug up from a mass grave cradling her 6 month old baby who in turn was holding his little teddy bear, the posistion they were in when saddam gassed tens of thousands of innocent people.

OH hell YEA! After all, he was soooo beloved, he even received 100% of the vote in the last "election" he ran in.

Oh, and dont bother with more of that 3rd grade michael moore mentality of "well, who supplied him with the lethal gas he used on his own people"

Funny how libs never want to put blame on the users of lethal weapons, but only blame the suppliers or the weapons themselves, i.e. "gun control"

DAMN, I could go on forever with examples of imbacilic liberal logic (ouch, liberal logic, yet another oxymoron)

It WAS the Reagan that helped supply Saddam with the chemical weapons precursors in the guise of Donald Rumsfeld.

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Or would you just rather not be bothered with that inconvenient truth as you stated?

But the gassing of Kurds, was not why This Bush administration invaded Iraq now, was it? It was the, now proven non-existent, NBC weapons programs that Saddam was supposedly reconstituting.

As for your gun/WMD analogy...doesn't so much work. Saddam received those chemical weapons precursors with full knowledge that they would likely be used...against Iranian troops. Given his personality, it was no stretch for him to turn them against his own people. You can be held responsible as an accessory for the consequences of giving a crazy person a hand-gun, or an AK-47 with full auto and a loaded 30 round clip.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

no one ever said he was "beloved". Saddam did three things well: he kept sunnis and shiites from slaughtering one another. he kept islamic extremists out of his country, and he kept the regional hegemonic aspirations of Iran. The world is full of assholes, but we don't commit troops and treasure to get rid of all of them.... if we had left this guy in place, he would have continued to do those three things well... and, right now, we would LOVE for somebody to do them well, because we are doing shitty at all three and the entire effort is counterproductive to our war against the folks who attacked us.

Nor did I ever say anyone said he was beloved.

So, are you willing to trade YOUR freedom for security and safety?

The rest of your post is the usual blah, blah, blah, that has been refuted over and over and over. Its obvious that you libs just keep repeating the lies, ala Goebbels circa 1937

 

[LuvRPgrl]

It WAS the Reagan that helped supply Saddam with the chemical weapons precursors in the guise of Donald Rumsfeld..

HAHHAHAH, BWAHHAHAHHA, THAT WAS SOOOOO PREDICTABLE.

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Or would you just rather not be bothered with that inconvenient truth as you stated?.

I see, following the footsteps of another LIAR.

But the gassing of Kurds, was not why This Bush administration invaded Iraq now, was it?
It was the, now proven non-existent, NBC weapons programs that Saddam was supposedly reconstituting.

As for your gun/WMD analogy...doesn't so much work. Saddam received those chemical weapons precursors with full knowledge that they would likely be used...against Iranian troops. Given his personality, it was no stretch for him to turn them against his own people. You can be held responsible as an accessory for the consequences of giving a crazy person a hand-gun, or an AK-47 with full auto and a loaded 30 round clip.

and if the crazy guys starts shooting innocents, you simply ignore it because after all, "he got the gun from you" WHAT A FUCKING MORON YOU ARE, hahahhahahhahahah

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Christians and Jews both believe in a resurrection from death during the final judgement. Many believe it is the duty of men to bring about worldly conditions that will precipitate the end times scenario, namely the reconsitution of israel, and the reconstruction of the temple at jerusalem. This is a priority for the Bush Regime and their Zionist controllers, and it's the only benchmark that matters, for them. So, it's funny you mentioned resurrection. Get it?

Your PROOF LIAR?

 

[maineman]

Nor did I ever say anyone said he was beloved.
OH hell YEA! After all, he was soooo beloved, he even received 100&#37; of the vote in the last "election" he ran in.


So, are you willing to trade YOUR freedom for security and safety?

what does MY freedom have to do with our invading Iraq?

The rest of your post is the usual blah, blah, blah, that has been refuted over and over and over. Its obvious that you libs just keep repeating the lies, ala Goebbels circa 1937

what has been refuted? That Saddam kept sunnis and shiites from slaughtering one another? that Iran has seen its stock rise since our invasion? that AQ is now in Iraq and wasn't before? none of that has EVER been refuted.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Who would Jesus torture?

THE MONEY CHANGERS???

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit attrocities." - Voltaire

FROM WIKPEDIA: "When his father found him out, he again sent Voltaire to study law, this time in the provinces. Nevertheless, he continued to write, producing essays and historical studies not always noted for their accuracY.
The 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica comments that "If the English visit may be regarded as having finished Voltaire's education, the Cirey residence was the first stage of his literary manhood." Having learned from his previous brushes with the authorities, Voltaire began his future habit of keeping out of personal harm's way, and denying any awkward responsibility"
VOLTAIRE, A LIAR AND A COWARD, NO WONDER HE IS YOUR HERO HAHHAHA

"The Rapture is not an exit strategy." - Unknown

TYPICAL LIBS, FOCUSED ON EXITING AND NOT ON WINNING (SOMETHING THEY HAVE COME QUITE ACCUSTOMED TO, EXITING AND NOT WINNING) HAHAHHAHA

No protracted war can fail to endanger the freedom of a democratic country. - Alexis De Tocqueville

"ENDANGER" YES, SOMETHING YOU LIBS RUN FROM AT ALL COSTS.

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. - Sinclair Lewis
SOUNDS LIKE THE ACLU TO ME ))

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. - Mohandas Gandhi
LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE (SO, GHANDI WALKED ON WATER?)

 

[LuvRPgrl]

You're still not making yourself clear.

Do you disagree that Congress has the power of oversight?.

YES

Do you disagree that until Dems took Control of Congress the legislative branch was little more than an echo chamber that rubber stamped every bone-headed idea that this administration came up with?.

YES

If you do disagree with these statements how about some intelligent RATIONALE for your opinions?.

MAYBE AS SOON as you stop using useless criticisms first.

Just because you say that something is "bullshit" doesn't make it so. You need to defend your positions!.[/QUOTE]my posistion is that your editiorializing is bullshit. You stick to the facts, I will respond in kind. You make personal attacks and accusations without basis in fact, then I will not respond with facts.

See, this is what I'm talking about.

Show where Dems have been whining..

You already forgot what you posted? Go back and read what I quoted from you.

If you want an example of real whining check this out.

"Now, some of them believe that by delaying funding for our troops, they can force me to accept restrictions on our commanders that I believe would make withdrawal and defeat more likely ... That's not going to happen. If Congress fails to pass a bill to fund our troops on the front lines, the American people will know who to hold responsible ... We stand united in saying loud and clear that when we've got a troop in harm's way, we expect that troop to be fully funded."

That's your president whining because he's just realized that he's got to work with Congress to get what he wants. Some people might call it a tantrum from a spoiled brat. The first time in his life he's not handed exactly what he wants on a silver platter and predictably his reaction is ......

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!





Why don't you look up the historical "facts" on presidents who'se administrations have been wracked with numerous scandals and who have led our nation through long, protracted, losing wars.

That will give you a clearer picture on what's in store for Republicans.

"numerous scandals", protraced, losing wars,,subjective concepts at best. Try again whiner.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Was there ever any doubt that cons were going to hype this "surge" as much as they can for as long as they can??

Ahhh, bringing doom and gloom, retreat and defeat, cut and run to its highest glory.

Already declaring the failure of an American war plan before it got started.

ANTI AMERICAN, TREASONOUS, COWARDLY LIAR.

 

[maineman]

you seemed to have avoided this one....

Nor did I ever say anyone said he was beloved.
ummmm as shown above...you certainly DID. You said, "OH hell YEA! After all, he was soooo beloved, he even received 100% of the vote in the last "election" he ran in."


So, are you willing to trade YOUR freedom for security and safety?

again...what does MY freedom have to do with our fucked up invasion of Iraq?

The rest of your post is the usual blah, blah, blah, that has been refuted over and over and over. Its obvious that you libs just keep repeating the lies, ala Goebbels circa 1937

and again:what has been refuted? That Saddam kept sunnis and shiites from slaughtering one another? that Iran has seen its stock rise since our invasion? that AQ is now in Iraq and wasn't before? none of that has EVER been refuted.

 

[maineman]

RSR... you seem to be avoiding this. Any reason why?

because when I go to YOUR website, I think about the fact that the surge started in February.... so maybe February's American casualty rate would show it?

January '07 had 83 dead Americans in 31 days
February '07 had 80 dead Americans in only 28 days... no 60% reduction there!
March '07 had 81 dead Americans in 31 days... no 60% reduction there!

and we've already lost 10 in only three days in April... not looking like April is gonna be any better....

could you explain to me how those numbers indicate we've seen a 60% reduction in American casualties? I think your calculations are.... how shall I say this? .... flawed?

Please explain why you gave us that link if it DISPROVES your point.

 

[maineman]

come on RSR...this is YOUR thread...it was YOUR link.... don't run away from it like a pussy!

 

[Bullypulpit]

HAHHAHAH, BWAHHAHAHHA, THAT WAS SOOOOO PREDICTABLE.

The truth usually is.

I see, following the footsteps of another LIAR.

Care to name names?

and if the crazy guys starts shooting innocents, you simply ignore it because after all, "he got the gun from you" WHAT A FUCKING MORON YOU ARE, hahahhahahhahahah

Uhhh...Not so much. I wouldn't be giving the nut-case a gun to begin with. Personally, I'd bust a cap in his ass as soon as he started shooting.

But that's neither here nor there. You can't address the issues so you, like several others here and most of the right-wing noise machine, resort to baseless ad hominem attacks, puerile name-calling, and trying to change the subject. Your efforts in these arenas simply highlight your moral and intellectual bankruptcy. dismissed...

 

[Paul Revere]

come on RSR...this is YOUR thread...it was YOUR link.... don't run away from it like a pussy!

He has ran away from threads on other forums.
Normal people would see that they were wrong and adjust their toughts to correct. Not RSR, he just pretends he did't see the truth and hides.

 

[maineman]

well...I fully intend to keep this thread on the first page until he answers me.

 

[mattskramer]

Can someone give an objective numeric clarification about when we will no longer be needed? What is defeat and what is victory for us? Is it when 2 months pass with no assault? Is that when we can declare victory? If so, what happens if an attack occurs on day 50.? Sean Hanity and other Bush apologists say that we need to stay there until we receive victory. I don&#8217;t recall any of them defining victory in specific and objective terms. Please explain in specific and clear detail, what must happen before we can leave Iraq.