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Sadly, racism is a form of protected free speech, yes.
Is free speech racism? Not what I said at all.
That is exactly what you claimed. I support the 1st amendment, ergo you label me a racist. I mean, you already did since I don't support Obama, but I guess bitterly clinging to the constitution makes me a worse racist, right?
Sadly, racism is a form of protected free speech, yes.
Is free speech racism? Not what I said at all.
That is exactly what you claimed. I support the 1st amendment, ergo you label me a racist.
.....Racist....
Which part of the Constitution says Illinois can't make its own laws?Myles Burton, Elmhurst College Student-Athlete, Faces Hate Crime Charges moron
btw, you idiots are whining over a guy getting PROBATION
Student who scratched
why is it the right spends so much time defending bigots?
I don't care what he gets, this judge just shit all over the constitution and crushed the bill of rights.
I have a feeling had he scratched anything other than KKK, say Asshole, he would not be charged with a Felony, so Uncensored kinda has a point here, and all the Libs arguing the dude really only got in trouble for Vandalism are not being honest either.
I don't believe in 'hate' crime laws, but 2 years probation and time served seems like a reasonable punishment for the crime. On the other hand, having a felony on his record for life over this seems unreasonable to me.
But what the fuck ya gonna do, right?
I am defending a principle, not a bigot. Look it up.
What principle is that?
The principle that the People of Illinois aren't allowed to pass there own damn laws?
The principle that offending people is not a crime.
Now it's a FELONY to write KKK on a window ledge!!!
Another attack on free speech in america. Why wasn't Chris Matthews charged with a felony hate crime when he called white people crackers on national tv?
July 10, 2012 12:48PM
Student who scratched
A former Elmhurst College student who scratched KKK and a racial slur on a window ledge outside the room of an African-American dorm supervisor was sentenced Tuesday to two years of probation.
Myles Burton, 21, had faced up to five years in prison after being convicted in May of a felony hate crime for the November 2011 vandalism at the colleges Stanger Hall.
DuPage County Judge George Bakalis also ordered Burton to serve 90 days in jail, though he already had served that sentence while awaiting trial.
Prosecutors argued the Libertyville man had been drinking and was angry at a faculty member when he used a rock to scratch the initials and a slur into the window ledge of the 28-year-old dorm supervisors room.
Burton, who is appealing his felony conviction, has been expelled from the college
But it's fine for the Black Panther's to stand outside a polling place with billy clubs on election day intimidating white voters. Gotcha! Just wanted to be clear.
in a ward where 118 white people were eligible to voteBullshit called, no response.
I win.
You are a legend in your own mind, PooperDupe...
http://www.usccr.gov/NBPH/USCCR_NBPP_report.pdf
It won't let me copy from a .pdf so you'll have to actually click the link, but here is what is said in the 2nd paragraph...ETA: This report is quite damning to the DoJ, I encourage everyone to click the link and see for themselves how Holder's DoJ works AGAINST equal justice under the law.Pursuant to it's investigation, the commission has held 4 public hearings, taken several depositions and attempted several others.
Does the pdf state merely that depositions were taken - which isn't in dispute - or does it back your claim that depositions of voters who claimed they were intimidated were taken? There has to be an actual victim for the crime of voter intimidation to have occurred. The report you gave doesn't say that anyone who voted or was trying to vote at that precint claimed to have been intimidated, does it?
in a ward where 118 white people were eligible to voteYou are a legend in your own mind, PooperDupe...
http://www.usccr.gov/NBPH/USCCR_NBPP_report.pdf
It won't let me copy from a .pdf so you'll have to actually click the link, but here is what is said in the 2nd paragraph...ETA: This report is quite damning to the DoJ, I encourage everyone to click the link and see for themselves how Holder's DoJ works AGAINST equal justice under the law.
Does the pdf state merely that depositions were taken - which isn't in dispute - or does it back your claim that depositions of voters who claimed they were intimidated were taken? There has to be an actual victim for the crime of voter intimidation to have occurred. The report you gave doesn't say that anyone who voted or was trying to vote at that precint claimed to have been intimidated, does it?
Another attack on free speech in america. Why wasn't Chris Matthews charged with a felony hate crime when he called white people crackers on national tv?
July 10, 2012 12:48PM
Student who scratched
A former Elmhurst College student who scratched KKK and a racial slur on a window ledge outside the room of an African-American dorm supervisor was sentenced Tuesday to two years of probation.
Myles Burton, 21, had faced up to five years in prison after being convicted in May of a felony hate crime for the November 2011 vandalism at the colleges Stanger Hall.
DuPage County Judge George Bakalis also ordered Burton to serve 90 days in jail, though he already had served that sentence while awaiting trial.
Prosecutors argued the Libertyville man had been drinking and was angry at a faculty member when he used a rock to scratch the initials and a slur into the window ledge of the 28-year-old dorm supervisors room.
Burton, who is appealing his felony conviction, has been expelled from the college
But it's fine for the Black Panther's to stand outside a polling place with billy clubs on election day intimidating white voters. Gotcha! Just wanted to be clear.
yes.in a ward where 118 white people were eligible to voteDoes the pdf state merely that depositions were taken - which isn't in dispute - or does it back your claim that depositions of voters who claimed they were intimidated were taken? There has to be an actual victim for the crime of voter intimidation to have occurred. The report you gave doesn't say that anyone who voted or was trying to vote at that precint claimed to have been intimidated, does it?
Do you have a complete sentence to offer?
Sadly, racism is a form of protected free speech.
The felony charge in this case would suggest you are incorrect.
[ But, the 1st amendment doesn't give anyone the right to deface someone else's property in order to get the point across.
Sadly, racism is a form of protected free speech.
The felony charge in this case would suggest you are incorrect.
The felony charge actually proves the point that you are entitled to SAY what you want to say without fear of government interference. But, the 1st amendment doesn't give anyone the right to deface someone else's property in order to get the point across.
You defenders of justice would be righteously pissed off if I spray painted "Obama 2012" on your front doors in international orange. Would you still defend my right of free speech in that case? I'm banking on the fact that you wouldn't - even if you agreed with my point of view and choice of color.
So what makes scratching something equally offensive on someone else's property an act that ought to be protected? We have a law - true, it's not a guaranteed right, but a law nonetheless - that enhances vandalistic crimes when the motivation is purely racial. There is no constitutional protection from the law of the land.
The idiot listed in the OP's link got, arguably, less than he deserved - but deserved what he got no less.
The felony charge in this case would suggest you are incorrect.
The felony charge actually proves the point that you are entitled to SAY what you want to say without fear of government interference. But, the 1st amendment doesn't give anyone the right to deface someone else's property in order to get the point across.
You defenders of justice would be righteously pissed off if I spray painted "Obama 2012" on your front doors in international orange. Would you still defend my right of free speech in that case? I'm banking on the fact that you wouldn't - even if you agreed with my point of view and choice of color.
So what makes scratching something equally offensive on someone else's property an act that ought to be protected? We have a law - true, it's not a guaranteed right, but a law nonetheless - that enhances vandalistic crimes when the motivation is purely racial. There is no constitutional protection from the law of the land.
The idiot listed in the OP's link got, arguably, less than he deserved - but deserved what he got no less.
My argument is not about his guilt, that's a given, it's with the hate crimes legislation itself. A crime is a crime is a crime. Prison, or any other sentence, is punishment for a crime. What hate crimes laws do is criminalize THOUGHT, by punishing MOTIVE. That's not the kind of 'slippery slope' that I feel comfortable on.
And really, a FELONY? Y'all have lost your minds!
[ But, the 1st amendment doesn't give anyone the right to deface someone else's property in order to get the point across.
No one said it did. EVeryone agrees this guy broke the law but he did not deserve a felony and 90 days in jail. A $50 fine would have been right.
What is it with inbred rednecks? Still trying to stir fear in the hearts of blacks with pathetic messages that bring back the memories of lynchings? Fuck these kids. It was a crime, and a crime based on racial hatred (motive). What a bunch of douche bags who want to frame this a a free speech issue. I tend to doubt you scum would give the same break to someone who screamed "Die for Allah" in one of those megachurches.
The good news is the racists are dying out. They're now a rarity which disgust almost everyone.
[ But, the 1st amendment doesn't give anyone the right to deface someone else's property in order to get the point across.
No one said it did. EVeryone agrees this guy broke the law but he did not deserve a felony and 90 days in jail. A $50 fine would have been right.
[ But, the 1st amendment doesn't give anyone the right to deface someone else's property in order to get the point across.
No one said it did. EVeryone agrees this guy broke the law but he did not deserve a felony and 90 days in jail. A $50 fine would have been right.
The person who went to law school and who became an actual judge disagree's with your legal stance.
(I seriously doubt if you get what I am saying.)
