Obama Announces Huge Tax Increases Are Only Solution

[mudwhistle]

....And, people are supposed to care....WHY?

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Shut the fuck up you fucken spammer.

STFU?

Even as much as I disagree with all of your opinions they are of some value. You might learn to accept the opinions of others too; many time those who offer their opinions, which differ from your own opinions, provide the best evidence that their perspective of reality is distorted (by bias/prejudice, self interest, ignorance or emotion).

Simply because the echo chamber applauded the OP is no indication of the truth or honesty of your opinion and conclusion. Any criticism of President Obama will generate postive feedback from the uber-conservatives who makeup the echo chamber, so don't get too excited by the responses.

Those who wish to continue to cut taxes and complain about the deficit cannot be taken seriously. Simply listening to those who want to represent the R Party as their candidate for POTUS have offered no solution to our current and continuing economic woes, they offer the same illogic expressed in the OP and that truly is sad.

Supply side theory, massive tax cuts created the mess we are in today and this outcome was not and is not an accident. Grover Norquist and his Wed. Night group planned to destroy government long before Obama came on the scene. It was and remains an effort by oligarchal forces to transform American Democracy into a Plutocracy.

This is no conspiracy theory nor an idea based on prejudice or emotion. It's obvious in the writings and actions of the New Right, in the 5-4 opinons of the Supreme Court and the continued influence of media darlings and moguls who benefit from and will benefit more as we slide further into plutocratic rule.

Those who give up liberty for a little wealth and power are todays real enemies. Nineteen criminials knocked down the symbol of American capitalism; the purveyors of hate and fear, false pathos and greed hope to bring down American Democracy.

Don't feed the Trolls. He wasn't making a valid point other then illuminating once again that he's an insufferable bore.

Btw, our debt is a result of over spending, nothing else.

Democrats have decided it's better to punish rather then reward. If you believe in forced charity rather then voluntary charity you're gonna remove incentives thus produce a bad economy. This not Europe. Americans don't like being told what to do.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

All the rabble who AREN'T going to get taxed are the ones making the most noise.

CLASSIC!!


lol

I'm one of those evil people who has a household income of 250K. Even though more than 25% of the so called income went back into my business for a new septic system, roof, parking lot and extensive heating and plumbing upgrades. But I can only write off a small portion of those expenses.

I paid 36,000 in federal taxes

Please tell me what loopholes I get that the 47% of people who pay no income tax or actually get back more than they paid don't get.

Seems to me they not me are getting the better deal. I can't even contribute to an IRA for a tax break anymore and I get whacked by the alternative minimum tax.

You were FORCED to become a business-owner, right???



Maybe you're just not-that-good-at-it?



What? You're ENTITLED to success??


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[Mr Liberty]

There is an easy answer don't make any money then they can't take it.

Reverse the trend. Take money from the government instead of giving it.

Apply for every government program there is, I bet we all qualify for something. Disability is simple to get. I'm feeling very disabled today.

I see this happening. I know people who are not looking for work and just living on unemployment. Hmm. The producers going on strike. It reminds me of Atlas shrugged. That would scare Washington. I think I like that idea. Let the socialist, that want this nanny state, pay for it by themselves.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I'm all for dropping the mortgage deduction, and charitable deductions as well. But lower the over-all tax rate after that.

The mortgage deduction is 3/4 of my itemized deduction.

Sorry about that, Muddy...

Without the mortgage deduction, I guess he envisions a robust recovery of the housing market, huh?

I guess our President doesn't see the connection between the mortgage crisis and the financial meltdown.

I'm guessin' MOST people do, by now.....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2iHksmF7m4]YouTube - American Casino: Greenspan's "flaw in the model"[/ame]​

 

[Gunny]

....And, people are supposed to care....WHY?

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Shut the fuck up you fucken spammer.

Nice response. Is that what they teach at the lefty school of redistributing from those that earn to those that don't?

No wonder you people vote for each other. Following that woolly, bleating thing in front of you is easier than looking around and thinking for yourself.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Malibu...sit down when I tell you this:

In Obamacare alone, we will be taxed $500 billion more over the next ten years. That would be $1700 for every man, woman and child on the country....so if you have a family of four, the stats are $680 per year in Obamacare taxes alone...

Did I do the math right?

Rename the boat "The IRS."

OMG! I just used the calculator...and this is too good. The actual figure is ...do you read the bible?
Here's a hint: the mark of the beast!

Must be a coincidence....

I see. $500 billion for health care for our citizens is so much more evil than $3 trillion for a war in Iraq based on lies.

The only lies here are that the war in Iraq cost $3T, and that said war was based on lies.

Yeah....DAMN that recorded-documentation!!!!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejph4LBdmmc]YouTube - WMD LIES - Bush Cheney Rumsfeld etc. - THE ULTIMATE CLIP[/ame]​

 

[Gunny]

I see. $500 billion for health care for our citizens is so much more evil than $3 trillion for a war in Iraq based on lies.

The only lies here are that the war in Iraq cost $3T, and that said war was based on lies.

Yeah....DAMN that recorded-documentation!!!!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejph4LBdmmc]YouTube - WMD LIES - Bush Cheney Rumsfeld etc. - THE ULTIMATE CLIP[/ame]​

Gee, yet ANOTHER mindless pic/vid from you. I've got it half in mind to change your userID to Mr Shameful.

 

[Ava]

Once again Obama has shown his plan all along. Raise taxes.

He wants to remove home interest payments as a deduction.

Trust me, this will include everyone, not just those who make over $200k.

Also, he says he wants to remove charitable contributions as well.

Folks, this isn't all he plans to do. He's just telling us the part he thinks we want to hear.

I guess you can drop all the rhetoric over how he's cut taxes now. It was all smoke and mirrors anyway.

Obama, yesterday, stated essentially that America won't be a great nation until we become a socialistic one. A nanny state. As he said, in part::


-------"and so we contribute to programs like Medicare and Social Security, which guarantee us health care and a measure of basic income after a lifetime of hard work; unemployment insurance, which protects us against unexpected job loss; and Medicaid, which provides care for millions of seniors in nursing homes, poor children, and those with disabilities,” Obama said. “We are a better country because of these commitments. I’ll go further – we would not be a great country without those commitments.”

http://www.dakotavoice.com/2011/04/...utm_campaign=Feed:+DakotaVoice+(Dakota+Voice)

 

[drsmith1072]

Bullshit! I pay enough freaking taxes. The government is so f'd up nobody is ever going to fix it. I already am doing more with less. The government and the people with hand outs to the government should do the SAME! It is disgusting.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you don't earn over $250,000 a year, so I'd calm down if I were you.

But feel free to tell me why the middle class should continue to fund the Bush tax cuts.

The Middle Class are primary beneficiaries of the Bush Tax Cuts.

Look at what Obama said. He's getting rid of mortgage interest deductions on a home.

Who will be the most effected by this?

He's getting rid of charitable deductions.

Who will be the most effected by this?

Answer: The Middle Class

Already they admit it will be $200k for single filing separately. Pretty soon you'll discover that you fall in the category that gets the shaft. I already do. Heritage says that the tax increases Obama has proposed will only raise $1.8 trillion more over 10 years. This will barely pay for next year's deficit, so pretty soon he'll be proposing lowering the increase to another level, perhaps $100k or lower.

So which is it?? one of you is arguing that middle class won't be affected because most don't itemize and the other is saying that the middle class will be most affected by those items.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Today was his first campaign speech for the 2012 run, those terrible people who have succeeded, no mention of his GE buddy....

Obama, the grand manipulator, divide and conquer....

For someone who is supposed to be so smart, you would think he could come up with a new angle....

God help us if he does win re-election.....

you cant divide the already divided. He was never going to get your or the OP's vote anyways.
He doesnt care about your opinion

I disagree, my contempt for Obama and the ones who support this entitlement mentality becomes wider and wider, sad to know it will be harder to heal, but an angry person filled with hate would have a harder time understanding this....

You folks don't seem to be having much trouble, hating, so far!!!!​

April 10, 2011​

"Ayn Rand, of course, was a kind of politicized L. Ron Hubbard—a novelist-philosopher who inspired a cult of acolytes who deem her the greatest human being who ever lived. The enduring heart of Rand’s totalistic philosophy was Marxism flipped upside down. Rand viewed the capitalists, not the workers, as the producers of all wealth, and the workers, not the capitalists....

....as useless parasites."​

We've seen all this, before.​

 

[NYcarbineer]

Setting aside whether it should be or shouldn't be...

...what's the rationale behind the mortgage deduction? What principle justifies giving that tax break to one set of individuals and in the process shifting the overall tax burden elsewhere?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Setting aside whether it should be or shouldn't be...

...what' the rationale behind the mortgage deduction? What principle justifies giving that tax break to one set of individuals and in the process shifting the overall tax burden elsewhere?

You mean like allowing 47% of people to pay no federal income tax while shifting the burden to the other 53% who do?

 

[Jarhead]

Setting aside whether it should be or shouldn't be...

...what's the rationale behind the mortgage deduction? What principle justifies giving that tax break to one set of individuals and in the process shifting the overall tax burden elsewhere?

lol.....you MUST be kidding me.

It is an INCENTIVE for EVERYONE to consider buying a home.

It is not for one set of individuals....it is there for all to capitalize on and work towards.

You seem to feel it is for an excluysive group...I guess you are right...it is for the group of people that set out to ahceive something and work hard AND SAVE so they can acheive it.

 

[Gunny]

Once again Obama has shown his plan all along. Raise taxes.

He wants to remove home interest payments as a deduction.

Trust me, this will include everyone, not just those who make over $200k.

Also, he says he wants to remove charitable contributions as well.

Folks, this isn't all he plans to do. He's just telling us the part he thinks we want to hear.

I guess you can drop all the rhetoric over how he's cut taxes now. It was all smoke and mirrors anyway.

Obama, yesterday, stated essentially that America won't be a great nation until we become a socialistic one. A nanny state. As he said, in part::


-------"and so we contribute to programs like Medicare and Social Security, which guarantee us health care and a measure of basic income after a lifetime of hard work; unemployment insurance, which protects us against unexpected job loss; and Medicaid, which provides care for millions of seniors in nursing homes, poor children, and those with disabilities,” Obama said. “We are a better country because of these commitments. I’ll go further – we would not be a great country without those commitments.”

http://www.dakotavoice.com/2011/04/...utm_campaign=Feed:+DakotaVoice+(Dakota+Voice)

Just about covers it, huh ...

 

[Mr. Shaman]

This statement operates on a false assumption.

It assumes that what you earn doesn't belong to you, it belongs to the government. They're just doin you a favor by letting you keep some of it.

That's absurd.

Having to pay taxes is based on the assumption that if your elected representatives are going to vote for government spending, then they also have the obligation and the right to raise the revenue to pay for it.

For about 28 of the last 30 years, for example, your representatives have been spending without taxing to pay for it.

Someone should have been taxed to pay for that spending. That 14 trillion is money the PEOPLE owe. It's our debt, period.

Exactly.

They spent it......we owe it.

I'm for grabbing the spenders by the throat and squeezing them till they're dry first.

 

[Gunny]

you cant divide the already divided. He was never going to get your or the OP's vote anyways.
He doesnt care about your opinion

I disagree, my contempt for Obama and the ones who support this entitlement mentality becomes wider and wider, sad to know it will be harder to heal, but an angry person filled with hate would have a harder time understanding this....

You folks don't seem to be having much trouble, hating, so far!!!!​

April 10, 2011​

"Ayn Rand, of course, was a kind of politicized L. Ron Hubbard—a novelist-philosopher who inspired a cult of acolytes who deem her the greatest human being who ever lived. The enduring heart of Rand’s totalistic philosophy was Marxism flipped upside down. Rand viewed the capitalists, not the workers, as the producers of all wealth, and the workers, not the capitalists....

....as useless parasites."​

We've seen all this, before.​

I'd say "useless parasite" just about covers all your socialist, lefty programs.

 

[Spoonman]

Social agenda's - destroying great nations globally.

 

[Gunny]

Setting aside whether it should be or shouldn't be...

...what's the rationale behind the mortgage deduction? What principle justifies giving that tax break to one set of individuals and in the process shifting the overall tax burden elsewhere?

lol.....you MUST be kidding me.

It is an INCENTIVE for EVERYONE to consider buying a home.

It is not for one set of individuals....it is there for all to capitalize on and work towards.

You seem to feel it is for an excluysive group...I guess you are right...it is for the group of people that set out to ahceive something and work hard AND SAVE so they can acheive it.

You're going a bit far. Owning a home is an achievement only to those that wish to own a home.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Horseshit. That argument is leftwing abracadabra. We don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem.

David Stockman disagrees with you.

David Stockman is a RINO moron.

Why would anyone care what he says?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......EXPERIENCE???????

(....The bane of Teabaggers, natiowide!!)​

 

[Jarhead]

Setting aside whether it should be or shouldn't be...

...what's the rationale behind the mortgage deduction? What principle justifies giving that tax break to one set of individuals and in the process shifting the overall tax burden elsewhere?

lol.....you MUST be kidding me.

It is an INCENTIVE for EVERYONE to consider buying a home.

It is not for one set of individuals....it is there for all to capitalize on and work towards.

You seem to feel it is for an excluysive group...I guess you are right...it is for the group of people that set out to ahceive something and work hard AND SAVE so they can acheive it.

You're going a bit far. Owning a home is an achievement only to those that wish to own a home.

Fair enough.

And on the same note, many government programs are there for only those that choose to use them....some prefer not to, but pay for it with their taxes anyway.

Just as some choose to not want to own a home and lose out on the deduction if they did.