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No sorry, I have to admit I rarely go through and read Posts line by Line. If it came before my comment responding to the OP I probably did not read it.
No denying there are Racists on the Right, But not all of us. Like I said, I am for the Dream act, It makes sense, I just don't think the way Obama wants to achieve it is Frankly Legal. and no I do not believe the ends Justify the Means, Like I said next time it could be a right wing loon President deciding which laws to ignore. I am sure you would not like that.
If it came off like I thought or implied that all people on the right are Racists, my apologies. I certainly don't think that. My main point is that it's nothing more than a directive or Executive order and that it's not unconstitutional. I don't want a "monarchy" from ANY side of the aisle. I just don't like the hypocrisy that some people have been displaying here.
For example, why complain about Obama or the Democrats courting the "Latino vote", when the Republicans are doing the same thing themselves??? Previous Republican and Democrat Administrations have also made PLENTY of directives and Executive Orders.
It's not the Executive Order I find Unconstitutional. It's what the Order Implies. He suggests the Executive has the power to Simply not Enforce law. He does not. To me it's that simple, and clearly violates at the very Least the Spirit of the Constitution. Which in Now way Envisions or Creates an Executive with the Power to Interpret, or Selectively Enforce the Law.
As far as Peoples Hippocracy on Display. we have been seeing a lot of that from Both Sides lately. I mean Come on dude. If Bush had said he is no longer going to enforce a law that is on the books. Are you going to tell me you would have said that was ok?
Finally I have no problem with Either Side Pandering to Groups for Votes, That's the Nature of Politics. My Comment on that Subject was simply that I don't think it will be all that Effective for him, and in fact could be a Net negative in the Current Economy with so many people out of work, and wondering if they now have to Compete with An Extra Million people with new Work Permits for what Jobs there are.
It's all about Perception. I just don't see the majority Of American's Being Happy with this Move, Either because they are against the Idea itself or if they are like me, and have no Problem with the Dream Act, and simply see this as another Example of Obama abusing his Power, and ignoring the Law.
Blacks with no jobs and "American" hispanics with no jobs should be going ape shit today.
He is pretty much inviting illegals from across the border to come here to steal American jobs at low wages, so that Americans will have to sit at home on welfare benefits.
Blacks with no jobs and "American" hispanics with no jobs should be going ape shit today.
He is pretty much inviting illegals from across the border to come here to steal American jobs at low wages, so that Americans will have to sit at home on welfare benefits.
Blacks with no jobs and "American" hispanics with no jobs should be going ape shit today.
He is pretty much inviting illegals from across the border to come here to steal American jobs at low wages, so that Americans will have to sit at home on welfare benefits.
What about Whites with no jobs? What do you think that the people in question have been doing this whole time, sleeping and not working already?
Blacks with no jobs and "American" hispanics with no jobs should be going ape shit today.
He is pretty much inviting illegals from across the border to come here to steal American jobs at low wages, so that Americans will have to sit at home on welfare benefits.
His parameters are that children up to age 30, who have been here for ten years meaning they got here at 20, won't be deported. We aren't talking about infants carried in mommy's arms, but men and women who didn't come here with parents at all but sneaked in on their own.
This is the most arrogant flim flam that has ever been perpetrated on the American people. He needs to be punished by putting him and his gargantuan spouse out on the street come November.
Blacks with no jobs and "American" hispanics with no jobs should be going ape shit today.
He is pretty much inviting illegals from across the border to come here to steal American jobs at low wages, so that Americans will have to sit at home on welfare benefits.
His parameters are that children up to age 30, who have been here for ten years meaning they got here at 20, won't be deported. We aren't talking about infants carried in mommy's arms, but men and women who didn't come here with parents at all but sneaked in on their own.
This is the most arrogant flim flam that has ever been perpetrated on the American people. He needs to be punished by putting him and his gargantuan spouse out on the street come November.
How do you know? A guy could have come here at age twenty, gets busted at age twenty three, claims hes been here since he was fifteen, we don't know if he's lying or not. It's not like they register when they cross the border...
I have to agree with you on that. I think they should make the executive order a thing of the past. Doesn't matter which side uses it, I think it is wrong to bypass congress. Sorry for the name calling, I just get fired up.Have you been reading the last 7 or 8 pages?
No sorry, I have to admit I rarely go through and read Posts line by Line. If it came before my comment responding to the OP I probably did not read it.
No denying there are Racists on the Right, But not all of us. Like I said, I am for the Dream act, It makes sense, I just don't think the way Obama wants to achieve it is Frankly Legal. and no I do not believe the ends Justify the Means, Like I said next time it could be a right wing loon President deciding which laws to ignore. I am sure you would not like that.
If it came off like I thought or implied that all people on the right are Racists, my apologies. I certainly don't think that. My main point is that it's nothing more than a directive or Executive order and that it's not unconstitutional. I don't want a "monarchy" from ANY side of the aisle. I just don't like the hypocrisy that some people have been displaying here.
For example, why complain about Obama or the Democrats courting the "Latino vote", when the Republicans are doing the same thing themselves??? Previous Republican and Democrat Administrations have also made PLENTY of directives and Executive Orders.
Blacks with no jobs and "American" hispanics with no jobs should be going ape shit today.
He is pretty much inviting illegals from across the border to come here to steal American jobs at low wages, so that Americans will have to sit at home on welfare benefits.
What about Whites with no jobs? What do you think that the people in question have been doing this whole time, sleeping and not working already?
Blacks with no jobs and "American" hispanics with no jobs should be going ape shit today.
He is pretty much inviting illegals from across the border to come here to steal American jobs at low wages, so that Americans will have to sit at home on welfare benefits.
What about Whites with no jobs? What do you think that the people in question have been doing this whole time, sleeping and not working already?
Ha ha ha. ZING!
Well played. Well.fucking.played.
Intent is an important factor in our judicial system. Often if there is no intent there is no prosecution or the prosecution will be on a lesser charge. An intent to commit murder carries a far stiffer penalty, than unintentionally and unknowingly causing a death. Likewise, the punishment for unintentionally and unknowing breaking our immigration law should not be the same as a person who willfully breaks the law. It's not logical to hold a person responsible for the action of their parents.We're discussing those who were illegally brought to the United States as children who "lacked the intent to violate the law," and pose few national security risks. In our courts we make a distinction between those who chose to violate our laws and those who had no choice.Really? And so what do you say to all of those people from other countries who are still waiting in line to get in LEGALLY?
No, we don't necessarily. It is entirely possible to commit an unlawful act without intending to do so. And in the civil arena, intent is often totally irrelevant. Illegal status does not need to be intended. If someone overstays their visa due to an extended illness, do you think that should qualify them for a work visa?
Also, based on your irredeemably stupid if heartfelt basis for supporting this virtual amnesty, why the hell should a criminal history have anything to do with the decision? Your basis is that they did not intend to be brought here illegally, and so should stay. Why should a conviction for, say AggDUI change your position?
Dumbfuck....studies show blacks are harmed more by illegals stealing jobs than whites.
Now get back to fucking your cat.
Most whites didn't vote for him based on skin color like minorities did.
Any liberal that supports him is a dumbfuck.
He will throw blacks under the bus for the hispanic vote. Hell, he turned his back on blacks by openly supporting the gay agenda, something most blacks oppose.
He is the perfect example of a spineless politician trying a new tactic when he is losing in the polls. Sellout to the hispanic vote to see if they can save his ass.
Blacks with no jobs and "American" hispanics with no jobs should be going ape shit today.
He is pretty much inviting illegals from across the border to come here to steal American jobs at low wages, so that Americans will have to sit at home on welfare benefits.
What about Whites with no jobs? What do you think that the people in question have been doing this whole time, sleeping and not working already?
I have to agree with you on that. I think they should make the executive order a thing of the past. Doesn't matter which side uses it, I think it is wrong to bypass congress. Sorry for the name calling, I just get fired up.No sorry, I have to admit I rarely go through and read Posts line by Line. If it came before my comment responding to the OP I probably did not read it.
No denying there are Racists on the Right, But not all of us. Like I said, I am for the Dream act, It makes sense, I just don't think the way Obama wants to achieve it is Frankly Legal. and no I do not believe the ends Justify the Means, Like I said next time it could be a right wing loon President deciding which laws to ignore. I am sure you would not like that.
If it came off like I thought or implied that all people on the right are Racists, my apologies. I certainly don't think that. My main point is that it's nothing more than a directive or Executive order and that it's not unconstitutional. I don't want a "monarchy" from ANY side of the aisle. I just don't like the hypocrisy that some people have been displaying here.
For example, why complain about Obama or the Democrats courting the "Latino vote", when the Republicans are doing the same thing themselves??? Previous Republican and Democrat Administrations have also made PLENTY of directives and Executive Orders.
Blacks with no jobs and "American" hispanics with no jobs should be going ape shit today.
He is pretty much inviting illegals from across the border to come here to steal American jobs at low wages, so that Americans will have to sit at home on welfare benefits.
What about Whites with no jobs? What do you think that the people in question have been doing this whole time, sleeping and not working already?
Ha ha ha. ZING!
Well played. Well.fucking.played.
Most whites didn't vote for him based on skin color like minorities did.
Any liberal that supports him is a dumbfuck.
He will throw blacks under the bus for the hispanic vote. Hell, he turned his back on blacks by openly supporting the gay agenda, something most blacks oppose.
He is the perfect example of a spineless politician trying a new tactic when he is losing in the polls. Sellout to the hispanic vote to see if they can save his ass.
What about Whites with no jobs? What do you think that the people in question have been doing this whole time, sleeping and not working already?
Let's put one of your assertions in the garbage where it belongs. What percentage of Black people voted for Obama, Kerry, Gore, and Clinton? How many more percentage points did Obama get compared to the other Democrats?
He didn't turn his back on "the Blacks", that's just some stupid White right wing propaganda that WILL NOT WORK. "They" still know what they are all about.
How is this directive "inviting illegals from across the border to come here to steal American jobs at low wages."? Do you even know the terms of the directive?
I have to agree with you on that. I think they should make the executive order a thing of the past. Doesn't matter which side uses it, I think it is wrong to bypass congress. Sorry for the name calling, I just get fired up.If it came off like I thought or implied that all people on the right are Racists, my apologies. I certainly don't think that. My main point is that it's nothing more than a directive or Executive order and that it's not unconstitutional. I don't want a "monarchy" from ANY side of the aisle. I just don't like the hypocrisy that some people have been displaying here.
For example, why complain about Obama or the Democrats courting the "Latino vote", when the Republicans are doing the same thing themselves??? Previous Republican and Democrat Administrations have also made PLENTY of directives and Executive Orders.
My apologies to you too, it's all in good fun for me. I was laughing and showing my wife the posts while she looks at me like I'm crazy.
I will add that my normally sweet wife does get a little fired up when some folks call me names.
