Obama continues to follow Saul Alinsky's playbook

[Doubletap]

Saul David Alinsky, a writer, was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the Communist radical, socialist founder of the modern community organizing movement. He is most noted for his book Rules for Radicals.

Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S. ?
In case you hadn't noticed, all eight rules are currently in play.

How to create a Communist social state by Saul Alinsky:
There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare “Control healthcare and you control the people.”

2) Poverty “Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.”

3) Debt “Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.”

4) Gun Control “Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.”

5) Welfare “Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).”

6) Education “Take control of what people read and listen to. “Take control of what children learn in school.”

7) Religion “Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.”

8) Class Warfare “Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.”

Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States? It should! It is the method of operation of the Democrat Party and RINO's!

 

[blastoff]

It ain't just Barry. Hillary's a big Alinsky fan and lots more of them among the progressive scum.

 

[rightwinger]

Looks to me like more lies and propaganda from the right

Alinsky never said it

snopes.com: Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State

 

[rightwinger]

The above-quoted list of steps for "How to create a social state," circulated in January 2014, is another example of a political linking of the names of Saul Alinsky and Barack Obama. It's not something taken from the actual writings of Saul Alinsky, though, and to those familiar with his background it doesn't even sound like something he would have written (e.g., the line about "controlling health care" is anachronistic for his era, and the idea of "increasing the poverty level as high as possible" is the very antithesis of what Alinsky worked to achieve).
Read more at snopes.com: Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State

 

[Mojo2]

The above-quoted list of steps for "How to create a social state," circulated in January 2014, is another example of a political linking of the names of Saul Alinsky and Barack Obama. It's not something taken from the actual writings of Saul Alinsky, though, and to those familiar with his background it doesn't even sound like something he would have written (e.g., the line about "controlling health care" is anachronistic for his era, and the idea of "increasing the poverty level as high as possible" is the very antithesis of what Alinsky worked to achieve).
Read more at snopes.com: Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State

This is somewhat similar to quibbling over the spelling of the names on the seating plan in the Titanic's dining room.

It may strive for accuracy but is totally irrelevant compared to the crisis before us.

 

[ron4342]

Saul David Alinsky, a writer, was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the Communist radical, socialist founder of the modern community organizing movement. He is most noted for his book Rules for Radicals.

Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S. ?
In case you hadn't noticed, all eight rules are currently in play.

How to create a Communist social state by Saul Alinsky:
There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare “Control healthcare and you control the people.” Is that like when the health care companies refuse pre-existing conditions and set limits on amount of care. Isn't that controlling the people and deciding who lives or dies?

2) Poverty “Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.” Seems to me this would have something to do with refusing to raise the minimum wage. Raising the minimum wage would help move people out of poverty but who is fighting hardest NOT to raise the minimum wage. Yep, that's right. It is the conservatives.

3) Debt “Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.” Correct me if I am in error but isn't it possible to raise the debt level by cutting taxes, engaging in multiple wars, and borrowing money to pay for those wars. The truth is the debt sky rocketed during the bush years but has been coming down under Obama.

4) Gun Control “Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.” Once again you are falling victim to NRA propaganda. NO ONE IS TRYING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS. Let me repeat that, NO ONE IS TRYING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS. What is happening is that there are efforts being made to keep guns out of the hands of wacko's and to remove guns from the marketplace that are designed for one thing, and one thing only: KILLING AS MANY PEOPLE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. Oh, and about that police state, it seems to me most police departments are pretty much doing that at present.
5) Welfare “Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).” I assume by this statement that you are against welfare. That means that you have absolutely no problem with men, woman, and children being forced to go hungry and become malnourished, to live on the streets, and to have no income. Does it make one bit of sense for the wealthiest nation on earth to condemn its poorest citizens to poverty and early death. Is this the Christian way to run a country? Is this really what alinsky was for?
6) Education “Take control of what people read and listen to. “Take control of what children learn in school.” Seems to me it is the wealthy who have taken control of the media. I don't know about you but no one on my block owns a newspaper, radio, or TV station. In fact nobody I know even knows someone who owns one. Talk to the ruppert murdocks of the world on this one.
7) Religion “Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.” Pleeeeaaaaasssssseeeee, TAKE THIS UP WITH THE FOUNDING FATHERS. God/religion has no place in the government and in the public schools. It says that in the Constitution. You know the Constitution? It is that piece of paper you wave around but seldom bother to read or think about.
8) Class Warfare “Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.”
It seems the wealthy are all for dividing the people and for keeping themselves away from the unwashed Americans. Class warfare is alive and well in the US. Don't believe me? Go to fox news for an update on their latest attacks. There is a reason why fox news viewers are less informed than those who watch no media news at all.
Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States? It should! It is the method of operation of the Democrat Party and RINO's!

My three rules regarding alinsky:

1) alinsky was an asshole and so is anyone who believes him.

2) alinsky was a really big asshole and so is anyone who believes him.

3) go back and re-read #1 and #2.

vv

 

[rightwinger]

The above-quoted list of steps for "How to create a social state," circulated in January 2014, is another example of a political linking of the names of Saul Alinsky and Barack Obama. It's not something taken from the actual writings of Saul Alinsky, though, and to those familiar with his background it doesn't even sound like something he would have written (e.g., the line about "controlling health care" is anachronistic for his era, and the idea of "increasing the poverty level as high as possible" is the very antithesis of what Alinsky worked to achieve).
Read more at snopes.com: Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State

This is somewhat similar to quibbling over the spelling of the names on the seating plan in the Titanic's dining room.

It may strive for accuracy but is totally irrelevant compared to the crisis before us.

Once again it highlights the gullibility of the right as they quickly post anything that shows up in their inbox

It has been forwarded a dozen times...so it must be true

 

[jasonnfree]

Saul David Alinsky, a writer, was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the Communist radical, socialist founder of the modern community organizing movement. He is most noted for his book Rules for Radicals.

Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S. ?
In case you hadn't noticed, all eight rules are currently in play.

How to create a Communist social state by Saul Alinsky:
There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare “Control healthcare and you control the people.”

2) Poverty “Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.”

3) Debt “Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.”

4) Gun Control “Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.”

5) Welfare “Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).”

6) Education “Take control of what people read and listen to. “Take control of what children learn in school.”

7) Religion “Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.”

8) Class Warfare “Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.”

Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States? It should! It is the method of operation of the Democrat Party and RINO's!

This Alinsky stuff is half a decade old. Nobody cares.

 

[KNB]

If the private sector had done a better job of taking care of the People then the People wouldn't need so much government assistance.

While you mutts keep bitching about poor people, rich people are laughing their asses off at you.

95% of financial gains during the economic recovery since 2009 have gone to the richest 1%. At any other time in American history, the right-wing would be touting this as proof that free-market capitalism is the best economic system ever devised. But because a black Democrat is in office, right-wing troglodytes claim it as inexplicable proof that Liberals are Communists.

How many guns has Obama confiscated from law-abiding, freedom-loving, FOX-watching patriots? 30 million, or is it closer to zero?

The 1% controls what you see, hear, and read, and they have muppets running the FCC to allow them to get away with feeding America garbage through our public media.

And as for religion being taken out of the government, fuck you and your religion. Read the US Constitution. It says that. The first words. "Your religion will never run this country." Paraphrased, of course.

Do Republicans want to abolish the First Amendment, too? The PATRIOT Act comes close, and there are "free speech zones" to corral hippie protesters where they'll be most ineffective. Edward Snowden might have something to say about free speech and the US Constitution but no one will listen to him because the corporate 1% media have convinced right-wing talking monkeys to call him a traitor.

 

[rightwinger]

Saul David Alinsky, a writer, was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the Communist radical, socialist founder of the modern community organizing movement. He is most noted for his book Rules for Radicals.

Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S. ?
In case you hadn't noticed, all eight rules are currently in play.

How to create a Communist social state by Saul Alinsky:
There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare “Control healthcare and you control the people.”

2) Poverty “Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.”

3) Debt “Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.”

4) Gun Control “Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.”

5) Welfare “Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).”

6) Education “Take control of what people read and listen to. “Take control of what children learn in school.”

7) Religion “Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.”

8) Class Warfare “Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.”

Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States? It should! It is the method of operation of the Democrat Party and RINO's!

This Alinsky stuff is half a decade old. Nobody cares.

This was made up by a Conservative as "Well, maybe they will believe me if I put Alinskys name to it"

 

[guno]

Saul David Alinsky, a writer, was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the Communist radical, socialist founder of the modern community organizing movement. He is most noted for his book Rules for Radicals.

Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S. ?
In case you hadn't noticed, all eight rules are currently in play.

How to create a Communist social state by Saul Alinsky:
There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare “Control healthcare and you control the people.”

2) Poverty “Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.”

3) Debt “Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.”

4) Gun Control “Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.”

5) Welfare “Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).”

6) Education “Take control of what people read and listen to. “Take control of what children learn in school.”

7) Religion “Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.”

8) Class Warfare “Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.”

Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States? It should! It is the method of operation of the Democrat Party and RINO's!

Yes and he pals around with terrorists and his best friend is bill airs and he is a secret muslim communist an he is going to take you guns!! LOL You tin foiled hat pin heads have been whining and crying that crap since 2007 , guess what people laughed at you then an elected him twice ,so stop embarrassing your selves now

 

[Mojo2]

Alinsky is dead. But those who studied his teachings are alive and are implementing his philosophy today.

Barack Obama. Bill Ayers. Hillary Clinton.

Anyone wanting the truth about all things Alinsky should go here.

Saul Alinsky - Discover the Networks

 

[KNB]

Discover the networks?

Disney, Comcast, Time-Warner, Viacom, News Corporations, Bertelsmann, Sony, General Electric......

Do they all follow the immortal teachings of Saul Ayers and Barack Clinton?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Saul David Alinsky, a writer, was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the Communist radical, socialist founder of the modern community organizing movement. He is most noted for his book Rules for Radicals.

Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S. ?
In case you hadn't noticed, all eight rules are currently in play.

How to create a Communist social state by Saul Alinsky:
There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare “Control healthcare and you control the people.”

2) Poverty “Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.”

3) Debt “Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.”

4) Gun Control “Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.”

5) Welfare “Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).”

6) Education “Take control of what people read and listen to. “Take control of what children learn in school.”

7) Religion “Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.”

8) Class Warfare “Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.”

Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States? It should! It is the method of operation of the Democrat Party and RINO's!

I suppose if you posted evidence on each bullet point of the source - in the writings of Alinsky - and policies where you could establish a clear nexus between Obama's Administration, Democratic Policies and specific examples which you attribute to Alinsky, you might be more than a troll.

 

[Mojo2]

Discover the networks?

Disney, Comcast, Time-Warner, Viacom, News Corporations, Bertelsmann, Sony, General Electric......

Do they all follow the immortal teachings of Saul Ayers and Barack Clinton?

Alinsky’s revolution promised that by changing the structure of society’s institutions, it would rid the world of such vices as socio-pathology and criminality.

Arguing that these vices were caused not by personal character flaws but rather by external societal influences, Alinsky's worldview was thoroughly steeped in the socialist left’s collectivist, class-based doctrine of economic determinism.

“The radical’s affection for people is not lessened,” said Alinsky, “… when masses of them demonstrate a capacity for brutality, selfishness, hate, greed, avarice, and disloyalty. It is not the people who must be judged but the circumstances that made them that way.”[5]

Chief among these circumstances, he said, were “the larcenous pressures of a materialistic society.”[6]

Saul Alinsky - Discover the Networks

 

[rightwinger]

As Saul Alinsky said:

1) Conservatives will repeat anything they read on the internet

2) If you place a famous persons name on a quote, it will be more believable

3) Anything sent to your inbox must be true

4) Attributing 2014 issues to 1960s radicals will not be challenged

5) snopes is just a leftwing propaganda tool

 

[Mojo2]

Alinsky died in 1972, but his legacy lives on as a staple of leftist method, a veritable blueprint for revolution (which he and his disciples euphemistically refer to as “change”). Two of his most notable modern-day disciples are Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

In 1969 Hillary Clinton wrote her 92-page senior thesis on Alinsky's theories. A great admirer of Alinsky's blend of ruthless and stealth activist tactics, Hillary personally interviewed the famed author for her project. She concluded her thesis by stating:

"Alinsky is regarded by many as the proponent of a dangerous socio/political philosophy. As such, he has been feared -- just as Eugene Debs [the five-time Socialist Party candidate for U.S. President] or Walt Whitman or Martin Luther King has been feared, because each embraced the most radical of political faiths -- democracy."

Hillary would maintain her allegiance to Alinsky's teachings throughout her adult life. According to a March 2007 Washington Post report:

"As first lady, Clinton occasionally lent her name to projects endorsed by the Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF), the Alinsky group that had offered her a job in 1968. She raised money and attended two events organized by the Washington Interfaith Network, an IAF affiliate."

Ultimately, Hillary's investigation of Alinsky's methods and ideals led her to conclude that the Lyndon Johnson-era federal antipoverty programs did not go far enough in redistributing wealth among the American people, and did not give sufficient power to the poor.

When Hillary graduated from Wellesley in 1969, she was offered a job with Alinsky's new training institute in Chicago. She opted instead to enroll at Yale Law School.

Unlike Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama never personally met Saul Alinsky. By the time Alinsky died in 1972, Obama was only 11 years old. But as a young man, he became a master practitioner of Alinsky's methods. In 1985 a small group of 20-odd churches in Chicago offered Obama a job helping residents of poor, predominantly black, Far South Side neighborhoods. Accepting that opportunity, Obama became Director of the Developing Communities Project, where he worked for the next three years on initiatives that ranged from job training to school reform to hazardous waste cleanup. David Freddoso, author of the 2008 book The Case Against Barack Obama, summarizes Obama's community-organizing efforts as follows:
"He pursued manifestly worthy goals; protecting people from asbestos in government housing projects is obviously a good thing and a responsibility of the government that built them. But [in every case except one] the proposed solution to every problem on the South Side was a distribution of government funds ..."

Three of Obama's mentors in Chicago were trained at the Alinsky-founded Industrial Areas Foundation. (The Developing Communities Project itself was an affiliate of the Gamaliel Foundation, whose modus operandi for the creation of “a more just and democratic society” is rooted firmly in the Alinsky method.)

One of Obama's early mentors in the Alinsky method, Mike Kruglik, would later say the following about Obama:

"He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better."

For several years, Obama himself taught workshops on the Alinsky method. Also, beginning in the mid-1980s, Obama worked with ACORN, the Alinskyite grassroots political organization that grew out of George Wiley's National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO).

Saul Alinsky - Discover the Networks

 

[Mojo2]

As Saul Alinsky said:

1) Conservatives will repeat anything they read on the internet

2) If you place a famous persons name on a quote, it will be more believable

3) Anything sent to your inbox must be true

4) Attributing 2014 issues to 1960s radicals will not be challenged

5) snopes is just a leftwing propaganda tool

You are so fukked up you must believe Alinsky 'invented the internet' before he died in 1972!

When it was actually invented decades later, by Algore!!!

 

[Theowl32]

Are the left wingers in this thread denying Saul Alinsky was a socialist with socialist ideals and that Obama was (along with Hillary) a Saul Alinsky disciple and surrounded by socialists/communists his entire life?

I cannot tell or decipher their double talk.

He was right?

 

[KNB]

Are the left wingers in this thread denying Saul Alinsky was a socialist with socialist ideals and that Obama was (along with Hillary) a Saul Alinsky disciple and surrounded by socialists/communists his entire life?

I cannot tell or decipher their double talk.

He was right?

Are the right-wingers in this thread still saying that Obama is a Communist?

How does Communism work in your mind?

95% of financial gains since 2009 have gone to the richest 1%.

Please explain how this is Communism.