Obama Ditches Thatcher Funeral

[nodoginnafight]

Yeah, that would be incomprehensible . . . if that's what they had actually proposed.



Who is insisting that they continue?

That is exactly what they proposed - by refusing to fund FEMA flood insurance claims.

If you want to get out of the flood insurance business, then get the votes you need to bail on it and stop accepting premium payments. It's that simple.

Your are such a fount of mental diarrhea.


The GOP refused to support a pork laden rushed bill that funded Sandy for more than was spent on Katrina over a period of multiple years.

The FEMA funding was in a separate bill - not attached to the bigger relief package proposal.

 

[bripat9643]

When the House Republicans tried to block paying out FEMA flood insurance claims after accepting the premium payments, they lost me.

Yeah, that would be incomprehensible . . . if that's what they had actually proposed.

If you don't think the federal government should be in the flood insurance business, fine. Stop accepting the premium payments.

Who is insisting that they continue?

That is exactly what they proposed - by refusing to fund FEMA flood insurance claims.

They didn't refuse to fund FEMA flood insurance claims. They refused to approve $50 billion in emergency aid for Hurricane Sandy that had nothing to do with "flood insurance."

If you want to get out of the flood insurance business, then get the votes you need to bail on it and stop accepting premium payments. It's that simple.

If you knew what the fuck you were talking about you might even be worth responding to. No one ever proposed not paying off flood insurance claims, moron.

It's that simple.

 

[Harry Dresden]

and yet if he would have went.....i bet there would be threads about him going while this attack thing was happening.....just sayin....

Of course there would be threads, and you would pop in with something equally childish.

hey that's kinda like what Dean would have said.....is he starting to rub off on you?.....

 

[Meathead]

The leadership vacuum is strongest in the House. They can't pass gas.

If the point is obstructing legislation that the House leadership deems dangerous, then not "passing gas" is probably the point. Obama failed to secure the House in 2012 and very obviously does not have the leadership skills nor the mandate to realize his agenda. What the hell did you expect?!

Expect? I'd say taking a trillion in more cuts for 600 billion in taxes on corporate loopholes and the 1% sending money offshore like Mitt, woudl be easy .... in a sane world.

At some point it may become clear to you that the nation did not elect a competent leader. The first time he was elected was a case of affirmative action, the second was simply a thoroughly misguided attempt at justifying the first.

At what point do we admit that we elected an under-qualified politician because he was half black?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Yep. And who cares, really? It's not as if Thatcher accomplished anything important. Just another blow hard rightwing nutter.

No, it's not like she was a staunch supporter, and friend and ally of the United States. You Liberal loons are despicable, and now you can add tacky and adolescent to your questionable moral standings.

And, no matter what, the right wingers are ALWAYS against their own country. I've been reading some of the threads here this morning and its the SSDD - rw's despise their country.

You need to read up on Thatcher.

here we go again.....if Dudly doesn't agree with you.....you are anti-American....

 

[bripat9643]

That is exactly what they proposed - by refusing to fund FEMA flood insurance claims.

If you want to get out of the flood insurance business, then get the votes you need to bail on it and stop accepting premium payments. It's that simple.

Your are such a fount of mental diarrhea.


The GOP refused to support a pork laden rushed bill that funded Sandy for more than was spent on Katrina over a period of multiple years.

The FEMA funding was in a separate bill - not attached to the bigger relief package proposal.

No one has ever proposed not paying existing flood insurance claims, moron.

 

[boedicca]

That is exactly what they proposed - by refusing to fund FEMA flood insurance claims.

If you want to get out of the flood insurance business, then get the votes you need to bail on it and stop accepting premium payments. It's that simple.

Your are such a fount of mental diarrhea.


The GOP refused to support a pork laden rushed bill that funded Sandy for more than was spent on Katrina over a period of multiple years.

The FEMA funding was in a separate bill - not attached to the bigger relief package proposal.

Oh really?

President Obama's proposed $60.4 billion federal aid for victims of Hurricane Sandy has been revealed stuffed with millions in spending for museums and NASA with portions sent as far from the Northeast’s destruction as Alaska.

Now dubbed the 'Sandy scam' by its critics, only a portion of the federal funding goes directly to states and victims hardest hit by superstorm Sandy in New Jersey, New York and Connecticut.

Instead $150 million is slated to benefit Alaskan fisheries, $8 million to homeland security and the justice departments for new cars, office equipment, furniture and 'mobile X-Ray machines,' and $41 million for eight military bases including Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, the New York Post reports.

A whopping $13 billion will go to preventing future storm damage, including soil erosion and tree planting said to 'help reduce flood effects, protect water sources, decrease soil erosion and improve wildlife habitat.'

Other slices of the pie will provide $4 million to Florida's Kennedy Space Center and $2 million to Washington D.C.'s Smithsonian Institution for museum roof repairs - damaged reported prior to the late-October storm.

Other beneficiaries include $207 million for the VA Manhattan Medical Center, $3.3 million for the Plum Island Animal Disease Center in New York, and $1.1 million for national cemeteries.

In all, $47.4 billion is said to go directly to Sandy victims and their rebuilding efforts, reports Fox News.

Released on the heels of the looming ‘Fiscal Cliff,’ the extravagant spending has been described as nothing but pork by many critics as politicians continue to grapple to reduce an exceeding $16 trillion national debt.

'The funding here should be focused on helping the community and the people, not replacing federal assets or federal items,' Matt Mayer of the conservative Heritage Foundation reacted to the Post over the hurricane aid.

Others have criticized the package’s number as unnecessarily rushed, with FEMA currently stocked with $5 billion in disaster relief funds set to last until March.

(snip)


SOME OF THE AID'S BENEFICIARIES:

Preparation against future storms:
$13 billion to 'mitigation' projects that prepare for future storms

VA Manhattan Medical Center
$207 million

Alaskan fisheries through NOAA:
$150 million

Military bases: Eight along the storm’s path, including Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
$41 million

Homeland Security and Justice departments for vehicles and equipment:
$8 million

Kennedy Space Center, Florida:
$4 million to repair sand berms and dunes

Plum Island Animal Disease Center, New York:
$3.3 million

Smithsonian Institution, Washington, D.C.:
$2 million to repair museum roofs

National cemeteries:
$1.1 million for repairs...

Obama's $60.4billion Hurricane Sandy aid bill found stuffed with pork for NASA, museums, Alaska fisheries | Mail Online

 

[nodoginnafight]

Yeah, that would be incomprehensible . . . if that's what they had actually proposed.



Who is insisting that they continue?

That is exactly what they proposed - by refusing to fund FEMA flood insurance claims.

They didn't refuse to fund FEMA flood insurance claims. They refused to approve $50 billion in emergency aid for Hurricane Sandy that had nothing to do with "flood insurance."

If you want to get out of the flood insurance business, then get the votes you need to bail on it and stop accepting premium payments. It's that simple.

If you knew what the fuck you were talking about you might even be worth responding to. No one ever proposed not paying off flood insurance claims, moron.

It's that simple.

Yes, they did. I'm sorry that vote went by with out your being aware of it. It doesn't change the fact that the House GOP voted against funding the FEMA claims separate from the larger relief proposal.

They came to their senses and passed it later. But the fact that they would vote to ignore their obligations to the premium payers even once was enough for me.

I'm aware of what the original bill included. I am also aware (which you obviously are not) that a separate bill was presented that included a bare-bones funding of FEMA flood insurance claims. The House Republicans rejected it - the first time.

 

[Harry Dresden]

What did she accomplish?

it doesn't matter what we think Ravi.....look at how many people here still think Bush was a great President.....i am willing to bet thousands will line the streets at her funeral....

I know it doesn't matter, I'd just like to know as I have no idea if she was an effective leader or not. Look at Reagan, hailed as some kind of awesome hero when he was merely in the right place at the right time and still managed to spend a gazillion dollars as a "small government conservative."

well Clinton was in the right place at the right time too with the so called Dot Com Boom......all that helped make him look pretty good too....if Colin or Swagger was here they might be able to give you an answer about Thatcher from someone who lived under her reign.....

 

[boedicca]

it doesn't matter what we think Ravi.....look at how many people here still think Bush was a great President.....i am willing to bet thousands will line the streets at her funeral....

I know it doesn't matter, I'd just like to know as I have no idea if she was an effective leader or not. Look at Reagan, hailed as some kind of awesome hero when he was merely in the right place at the right time and still managed to spend a gazillion dollars as a "small government conservative."

well Clinton was in the right place at the right time too with the so called Dot Com Boom......all that helped make him look pretty good too....if Colin or Swagger was here they might be able to give you an answer about Thatcher from someone who lived under her reign.....

It was more than just the dot com boom. He benefited from the Y2K IT spending binge...the peace dividend...and welfare reform put in place by the GOP Congress.

 

[Bfgrn]

Yet another tacky, unstatesmanlike performance from The Won. Neither he nor any active member of his administration will attend Thatcher's funeral. It's a state occasion, given that the Queen is participating. So much for our "special relationship".

Maybe he'll send the family an ipod with some of his speeches as a consolation prize.

I'll also note that the terrorist attack in Benghazi didn't prevent Obama from flying off to Las Vegas for a fundraiser the next day.


Friends and allies of Baroness Thatcher expressed 'surprise and disappointment' last night as it emerged President Obama is not planning to send any serving member of his administration to her funeral.

Whitehall sources have revealed that the US delegation at tomorrow's service in St Paul's Cathedral will be led by two Reagan era secretaries of state: James Baker and George Shultz.

Though President Obama himself had not been expected to attend, there had been speculation that he would be represented either by Vice President Joe Biden or wife Michelle. However, the Obama administration had said it would not be attending Thatcher's funeral before the Boston bombings

Other world leaders, including Canada's Stephen Harper, Mario Monti of Italy and Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, are attending the service in person.

President Obama paid tribute to Lady Thatcher's towering achievements when her death was announced last week.

But a US embassy spokesman confirmed that no serving member of his administration would be present to pay their last respects, citing a busy week in US domestic politics.

Former US vice president Dick Cheney and ex-secretary of state Henry Kissinger will attend the funeral, Downing Street said today...


Margaret Thatcher funeral: President Obama won't send envoy - and leaves it to her old allies from Reagan era | Mail Online

And why wouldn't he?
USA is the world?s biggest tax haven?which the GOP should remember while it honors Thatcher ? MSNBC
He compared what Americans pay to what British pay in light of Republicans “worshipping at the feet of Margaret Thatcher” after the former prime minister’s death this week.

“The Commander-in-Chief of the anti-tax party, Grover Norquist, leads every Republican in the constant chant that the United States is just drowning in taxation–that we can’t possibly be competitive in the world with such a harsh tax burden weighing down on this country,” said O’Donnell. These are the same people who have been praising Thatcher’s leadership, “many of them say she was even stronger and tougher than their much mythologized Ronald Reagan.”

O’Donnell reminded viewers Thatcher was a fiscal conservative by British standards, but she also “stood far to the left of any American president and any American politician” for her record on taxes. She kept a top income tax rate of 60% for 10 of her 11 years in office (20 points higher than the top income tax rate under President Clinton and President Obama); she raised taxes on lower incomes and doubled the national sales tax, which hits low income people the hardest; “she pushed her country’s tax regime in a progressive direction, but she maintained an extremely high overall tax burden on the United Kingdom.”

The Last Word said all these taxes helped pay for “an awful lot of expensive socialism…which she had no intention of eliminating”: universal health care.

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

 

[Political Junky]

Did Maggie attend Reagan's funeral?

 

[Harry Dresden]

I know it doesn't matter, I'd just like to know as I have no idea if she was an effective leader or not. Look at Reagan, hailed as some kind of awesome hero when he was merely in the right place at the right time and still managed to spend a gazillion dollars as a "small government conservative."

well Clinton was in the right place at the right time too with the so called Dot Com Boom......all that helped make him look pretty good too....if Colin or Swagger was here they might be able to give you an answer about Thatcher from someone who lived under her reign.....

It was more than just the dot com boom. He benefited from the Y2K IT spending binge...the peace dividend...and welfare reform put in place by the GOP Congress.

there is that too....

 

[boedicca]

Did Maggie attend Reagan's funeral?

She prepared a video taped tribute. She was too frail to travel.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9eQIWKBR-s]Thatcher's Eulogy for Reagan[/ame]

 

[bendog]

If the point is obstructing legislation that the House leadership deems dangerous, then not "passing gas" is probably the point. Obama failed to secure the House in 2012 and very obviously does not have the leadership skills nor the mandate to realize his agenda. What the hell did you expect?!

Expect? I'd say taking a trillion in more cuts for 600 billion in taxes on corporate loopholes and the 1% sending money offshore like Mitt, woudl be easy .... in a sane world.

When the House Republicans tried to block paying out FEMA flood insurance claims after accepting the premium payments, they lost me.

If you don't think the federal government should be in the flood insurance business, fine. Stop accepting the premium payments.

The gop congressman from Miss Katrina's landfall, where yall built us a new city of Bay St. Lous voted against Sandy. Y'all literally remade the coast. We have all new pipes and sewers, roads and bridges. y'all even moved a railway. the gop is a party of clowns. Christie's the only one with stones, and he can't win a primary.

As for Thatcher, I don't see why Obama didn't send someone. Michelle and Obama had some Queen gaffes, but he'd hardly be the first. The Queen's old, but I don't see her as overtly racist. No doubt she's got the baggage of class, but ... it's Britian for Godsake. Cameron and Obama have policy differences, but so did Slick and Major. Obama didn't side for Britian with the Maldives, so that might be a dust up. Someone over there had a Churchill bust up his butt for Obama, and Obama will play retribution, but that has nothint to do with Thatcher.

We need Christopher Hitchens

 

[nodoginnafight]

That is exactly what they proposed - by refusing to fund FEMA flood insurance claims.

They didn't refuse to fund FEMA flood insurance claims. They refused to approve $50 billion in emergency aid for Hurricane Sandy that had nothing to do with "flood insurance."

If you want to get out of the flood insurance business, then get the votes you need to bail on it and stop accepting premium payments. It's that simple.

If you knew what the fuck you were talking about you might even be worth responding to. No one ever proposed not paying off flood insurance claims, moron.

It's that simple.

Yes, they did. I'm sorry that vote went by with out your being aware of it. It doesn't change the fact that the House GOP voted against funding the FEMA claims separate from the larger relief proposal.

They came to their senses and passed it later. But the fact that they would vote to ignore their obligations to the premium payers even once was enough for me.

I'm aware of what the original bill included. I am also aware (which you obviously are not) that a separate bill was presented that included a bare-bones funding of FEMA flood insurance claims. The House Republicans rejected it - the first time.

I was 100% wrong and I apologize. Props to all those who caught my error and called me on it. The scaled-down bill DID pass the Senate the first time over the objection of 31 GOP senators.

I apologize. You all were right and I was wrong. Positive rep coming to all those who caught my error and called me on it.

I apologize and I will do my best to look harder before I leap next time.

 

[bripat9643]

That is exactly what they proposed - by refusing to fund FEMA flood insurance claims.

They didn't refuse to fund FEMA flood insurance claims. They refused to approve $50 billion in emergency aid for Hurricane Sandy that had nothing to do with "flood insurance."

If you want to get out of the flood insurance business, then get the votes you need to bail on it and stop accepting premium payments. It's that simple.

If you knew what the fuck you were talking about you might even be worth responding to. No one ever proposed not paying off flood insurance claims, moron.

It's that simple.

Yes, they did. I'm sorry that vote went by with out your being aware of it. It doesn't change the fact that the House GOP voted against funding the FEMA claims separate from the larger relief proposal.

They came to their senses and passed it later. But the fact that they would vote to ignore their obligations to the premium payers even once was enough for me.

I'm aware of what the original bill included. I am also aware (which you obviously are not) that a separate bill was presented that included a bare-bones funding of FEMA flood insurance claims. The House Republicans rejected it - the first time.

Now you're talking about two separate things: funding flood insurance claims, and separating the funding for those claims into a separate bill. None of the news articles I've read about the $50 billion relief bill for Hurricane Sandy mentioned a thing about funding flood insurance claims. If such a thing actually happened, then you should be able to supply a link to it.

 

[nodoginnafight]

They didn't refuse to fund FEMA flood insurance claims. They refused to approve $50 billion in emergency aid for Hurricane Sandy that had nothing to do with "flood insurance."



If you knew what the fuck you were talking about you might even be worth responding to. No one ever proposed not paying off flood insurance claims, moron.

It's that simple.

Yes, they did. I'm sorry that vote went by with out your being aware of it. It doesn't change the fact that the House GOP voted against funding the FEMA claims separate from the larger relief proposal.

They came to their senses and passed it later. But the fact that they would vote to ignore their obligations to the premium payers even once was enough for me.

I'm aware of what the original bill included. I am also aware (which you obviously are not) that a separate bill was presented that included a bare-bones funding of FEMA flood insurance claims. The House Republicans rejected it - the first time.

Now you're talking about two separate things: funding flood insurance claims, and separating the funding for those claims into a separate bill. None of the news articles I've read about the $50 billion relief bill for Hurricane Sandy mentioned a thing about funding flood insurance claims. If such a thing actually happened, then you should be able to supply a link to it.

Please see my previous post. You are right and I was wrong. I apologize.

 

[Bfgrn]

I'd rather Obama send a delegation to Clarence "Lumpy" Rutherford's funeral.

 

[Meathead]

Yes, they did. I'm sorry that vote went by with out your being aware of it. It doesn't change the fact that the House GOP voted against funding the FEMA claims separate from the larger relief proposal.

They came to their senses and passed it later. But the fact that they would vote to ignore their obligations to the premium payers even once was enough for me.

I'm aware of what the original bill included. I am also aware (which you obviously are not) that a separate bill was presented that included a bare-bones funding of FEMA flood insurance claims. The House Republicans rejected it - the first time.

Now you're talking about two separate things: funding flood insurance claims, and separating the funding for those claims into a separate bill. None of the news articles I've read about the $50 billion relief bill for Hurricane Sandy mentioned a thing about funding flood insurance claims. If such a thing actually happened, then you should be able to supply a link to it.

Please see my previous post. You are right and I was wrong. I apologize.

Noble of you. If I were ever wrong, I would apologize too.