Obama has an epiphany. Finally admits we are at war.

[It is NOT that President Obama had NEVER acknowledged that we are at war. .

Ok, so we for once agree on something, i.e., that the OP is BULLSHIT.

Ah. You like semantics. Yes. The President did invoke the term "war" on more than one occasion. Not many, but yes he HAD used the term. :clap2:

If you think that invalidates the point made in the OP, then you are not being honest and there's no real purpose served in having a further chat with you on this topic.
 
[It is NOT that President Obama had NEVER acknowledged that we are at war. .

Ok, so we for once agree on something, i.e., that the OP is BULLSHIT.

Ah. You like semantics. Yes. The President did invoke the term "war" on more than one occasion. Not many, but yes he HAD used the term. :clap2:

If you think that invalidates the point made in the OP, then you are not being honest and there's no real purpose served in having a further chat with you on this topic.


Do you ever stop whining?
 
He's escalated the Afghan war and increased targeted attacks on suspected Al Qaeda. What more do you want?

Not only is he trying to clean up Bush's mess in Iraq, he's now fighting terrorists affiliated with people BUSH released from Gitmo.

How did he escalate the Afghan war? How did he increase targeted attacks on suspected Al Qaida?

I want some proof that he did so? Because he didn't.


Well let's look at Bush's last year for afghanistan:



"Documents show more than a 30 percent increase in attacks on Afghan roads

In 2008, Taliban and al Qaeda attacks increased 31 percent

There was also a 60 percent rise in civilian deaths in 2008"
Documents give insight into increased violence in Afghanistan - CNN.com


After 7 years the Bush admin really royally still had it all fucked up.

Obama was in office for less than a month before he escalated the war.
Obama approves Afghanistan troop increase - CNN.com


Try using current articles.

From your first link

The documents, based on NATO statistics, show more than a 30 percent increase in such attacks on Afghan roads around the country from January to December 2008.

Also, the commander in Afghanistan shouldn't have to beg Obama for more troops and resources. Obama should make sure they were provided for, before it got to this sad state.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/21/world/asia/21afghan.html

General Calls for More U.S. Troops to Avoid Afghan Failure
September 20, 2009

WASHINGTON — The top military commander in Afghanistan warns in a confidential assessment of the war there that he needs additional troops within the next year or else the conflict “will likely result in failure.”
The grim assessment is contained in a 66-page report that the commander, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, submitted to Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates on Aug. 30, and which is now under review by President Obama and his top national security advisers.

The disclosure of details in the assessment, reported Sunday night by The Washington Post, coincided with new skepticism expressed by President Obama about sending any more troops into Afghanistan until he was certain that the strategy was clear.

His remarks came as opposition to the eight-year-old war within his own party is growing.

General McChrystal’s view offered a stark contrast, and the language he used was striking.

“Failure to gain the initiative and reverse insurgent momentum in the near term (next 12 months) — while Afghan security capacity matures — risks an outcome where defeating the insurgency is no longer possible,” General McChrystal writes.

A copy of the assessment, with some operational details removed at the Pentagon’s request to avoid compromising future operations, was posted on The Post’s Web site.

In his five-page commander’s summary, General McChrystal ends on a cautiously optimistic note: “While the situation is serious, success is still achievable.”

But throughout the document, General McChrystal warns that unless he is provided more forces and a robust counterinsurgency strategy, the war in Afghanistan is most likely lost.


...Mr. Obama and his advisers have said they need time to absorb the assessment of the Afghanistan security situation that General McChrystal submitted three weeks ago — a separate report from the general’s expected request for forces — as well as the uncertainties created by the fraud-tainted Afghan elections.
 
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Ok, so we for once agree on something, i.e., that the OP is BULLSHIT.

Ah. You like semantics. Yes. The President did invoke the term "war" on more than one occasion. Not many, but yes he HAD used the term. :clap2:

If you think that invalidates the point made in the OP, then you are not being honest and there's no real purpose served in having a further chat with you on this topic.


Do you ever stop whining?

"Do you ever stop whining?" whined bent tight, the dishonest flea fart, making one of his typically dishonest comment.

Responding to the previous idiot's stupidity is not "whining," you blithering dishonest imbecile.
 
obama inherited 'bare bones' and is building it back up.

It's been a whole year. The I inherited it nonsense doesn't work any more.

The commander of Afghanistan has been pleading for more troops and resources for many months, and new toops and resources still hasn't come despite, Obama finally making an announcement to send troops.

In any case, Afghanistan is one front, Iraq, is another front, and Yemen is still another.

Seven years of neo-con mismanagement and you expect it taken care of in one year?
 
How did he escalate the Afghan war? How did he increase targeted attacks on suspected Al Qaida?

I want some proof that he did so? Because he didn't.


Well let's look at Bush's last year for afghanistan:



"Documents show more than a 30 percent increase in attacks on Afghan roads

In 2008, Taliban and al Qaeda attacks increased 31 percent

There was also a 60 percent rise in civilian deaths in 2008"
Documents give insight into increased violence in Afghanistan - CNN.com


After 7 years the Bush admin really royally still had it all fucked up.

Obama was in office for less than a month before he escalated the war.
Obama approves Afghanistan troop increase - CNN.com


Try using current articles.

From your first link

The documents, based on NATO statistics, show more than a 30 percent increase in such attacks on Afghan roads around the country from January to December 2008

Also, the commander in Afghanistan shouldn't have to beg Obama for more troops and resources. Obama should make sure they were provided for, before it got to this sad state.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/21/world/asia/21afghan.html

General Calls for More U.S. Troops to Avoid Afghan Failure
September 20, 2009

WASHINGTON — The top military commander in Afghanistan warns in a confidential assessment of the war there that he needs additional troops within the next year or else the conflict “will likely result in failure.”
The grim assessment is contained in a 66-page report that the commander, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, submitted to Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates on Aug. 30, and which is now under review by President Obama and his top national security advisers.

The disclosure of details in the assessment, reported Sunday night by The Washington Post, coincided with new skepticism expressed by President Obama about sending any more troops into Afghanistan until he was certain that the strategy was clear.

His remarks came as opposition to the eight-year-old war within his own party is growing.

General McChrystal’s view offered a stark contrast, and the language he used was striking.

“Failure to gain the initiative and reverse insurgent momentum in the near term (next 12 months) — while Afghan security capacity matures — risks an outcome where defeating the insurgency is no longer possible,” General McChrystal writes.

A copy of the assessment, with some operational details removed at the Pentagon’s request to avoid compromising future operations, was posted on The Post’s Web site.

In his five-page commander’s summary, General McChrystal ends on a cautiously optimistic note: “While the situation is serious, success is still achievable.”

But throughout the document, General McChrystal warns that unless he is provided more forces and a robust counterinsurgency strategy, the war in Afghanistan is most likely lost.[/COLOR]

...Mr. Obama and his advisers have said they need time to absorb the assessment of the Afghanistan security situation that General McChrystal submitted three weeks ago — a separate report from the general’s expected request for forces — as well as the uncertainties created by the fraud-tainted Afghan elections.

You are admitting seven years of neo-con mismanagement took at least one year of BHO's term to figure out how to fix it and get going. Thank you.
 
Guess under whose administration these Al Qaida leaders were killed or captured?

If it was a democrat administration during this time period none of these Al Qaida leaders would be killed or captured.

That democrat president would probably send missiles at empty tents again like Clinton did.

This occurred despite democrats

FACTBOX: Major al Qaeda leaders killed or captured | Reuters

Reuters) - U.S. war planes killed Aden Hashi Ayro, an Islamist commander thought to be al Qaeda's top man in Somalia, on Thursday. Below is a list of major al Qaeda figures killed or captured since 2001:

World

AFGHANISTAN:

* Mohammed Atef, one of the top leaders of Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network, was killed in a U.S. air strike in Afghanistan in November 2001.

* Abu Laith al-Libi, one of Osama bin Laden's top lieutenants who commanded militant forces in Afghanistan, was killed in February 2008 in a suspected U.S. missile strike that also killed up to 13 foreign militants.

ALGERIA:

* Hareg Zoheir, the deputy chief of al Qaeda's North Africa wing, was killed along with two other rebels in a gun battle with Algerian troops in October 2007.

IRAQ:

* Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, al Qaeda's leader in Iraq, was killed in a U.S. air raid in June 2006.

* U.S. forces killed Muhammed Abdullah Abbas al-Issawi, described as a security emir for al Qaeda in Iraq, in April 2007.

* The U.S. military killed Muharib Abdul Latif al-Jubouri, an al-Qaeda figure accused of involvement in the kidnapping of American journalist Jill Carroll, in May 2007.

* Police killed Mohammed Yahya al-Rahmani, known as Abu Mussab, and three foreign militants near Samarra in Feb 2008.

* In April 2008 Iraqi authorities captured Nazal Sabar al-Jughaify, also known as Abu al-Jarrah, a senior lieutenant to al Qaeda's leader in Iraq, Abu Ayyub al-Masri.

PAKISTAN:

* Saudi-born Palestinian Abu Zubaydah was arrested after a shootout in the central Pakistani city of Faisalabad in March 2002. Zubaydah was operations director for al Qaeda and the first high-ranking member to be arrested.

* Ramzi Binalshibh, a Yemeni national and one-time roommate of Mohamed Atta, suspected ringleader of the September 11 hijackers, was captured in Karachi in September 2002.

* Security forces arrested Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, al Qaeda's number three and alleged mastermind of the September 11 attacks, in a raid in Rawalpindi, near Islamabad, in March 2003.

* Musaad Aruchi, a nephew of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed with a $1 million bounty on his head, was arrested in Karachi in June 2004.

* Tanzanian Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani was arrested in the city of Gujrat in July 2004.

* Pakistani intelligence agencies and security forces arrested Abu Faraj Farj al-Liby, mastermind of two failed attempts on President Pervez Musharraf's life, in May 2005.

* Abu Hamza Rabia, an al Qaeda commander ranked the third most senior leader in the network, was killed in a tribal region of Pakistan bordering Afghanistan in December 2005.

* Muhsin Musa Matwalli Atwah (also known as Abdul Rehman), an Egyptian al Qaeda member wanted for involvement in the 1998 bombing of the U.S. embassy in Kenya, was killed by Pakistani forces close to the Afghan border in April 2006.

SAUDI ARABIA:

* Youssef al-Eiery, the leading al Qaeda militant in Saudi Arabia who was believed to be behind the May 2003 suicide bombings in Riyadh which killed at least 35 people, was shot dead by Saudi police shortly after the attacks.

Several of Eiery's successors, including Khaled Ali Haj, Abdulaziz al-Muqrin and Saleh al-Awfi, were killed by Saudi security forces over the next two years.

SOMALIA:

* A U.S. air strike on Thursday killed Aden Hashi Ayro, who led al Shabaab militants blamed for attacks on government troops and their Ethiopian allies.

YEMEN:

* Yemeni security forces shot dead Yasser al-Homeiqani, an al Qaeda fugitive, in southern Yemen in January 2007.
 
Ah. You like semantics. Yes. The President did invoke the term "war" on more than one occasion. Not many, but yes he HAD used the term. :clap2:

If you think that invalidates the point made in the OP, then you are not being honest and there's no real purpose served in having a further chat with you on this topic.


Do you ever stop whining?

"Do you ever stop whining?" whined bent tight, the dishonest flea fart, making one of his typically dishonest comment.

Responding to the previous idiot's stupidity is not "whining," you blithering dishonest imbecile.


Wow. You really never quit whining.
 
A bit more

Al-Qaeda: the list of those captured, dead and still at large - Times Online

Al-Qaeda: the list of those captured, dead and still at large

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is regarded as one of the most senior operatives in al-Qaeda. He was captured in Pakistan in 2003 and sent to Guantánamo Bay in 2006

Ramzi Binalshibh, a senior al-Qaeda member, was captured in Pakistan in September 2002. He faces charges over the 9/11 attacks and, at a pre-trial hearing in January to determine whether he was mentally competent to represent himself, he told the court that he was “proud” of the attacks

Mustafa Ahmad al-Hasawi is a Saudi, believed to be one of two key financial figures to have arranged funding for the 9/11 attacks. He was captured in Pakistan in 2003

Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali is accused of serving as a key lieutenant to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, his uncle, during the 9/11 operation. His mentor was his cousin, Ramzi Yousef, jailed in the US for masterminding the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Centre

Walid bin Attash is thought to have helped two of the hijackers, Nawaf al-Hamzi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, to check out US flights in Asia. He was allegedly picked as one of the hijackers himself but was prevented from taking part when he was briefly arrested in Yemen. He is said to have served as bin Laden’s bodyguard

Baitullah Mehsud was the head of the Pakistan Taleban and commanded about 20,000 militants. He was killed in a US missile strike on August 5 2009. He had a $5 million (£3 million) reward on his head

Usama al-Kini was the head of al-Qaeda in Pakistan and on the FBI’s list of most wanted terrorist suspects. He died in a missile attack in South Waziristan in January 2009

Abu Jihad al-Masri Khakaina was an Egyptian al-Qaeda operative described by the US as the group’s propaganda chief. He died in a Predator strike on North Waziristan in November 2008

Abu Suleiman al-Jazari was an Algerian weapons expert and key al-Qaeda figure thought to have been the director of external operations. He died in a Predator strike in May 2008
 
Well let's look at Bush's last year for afghanistan:



"Documents show more than a 30 percent increase in attacks on Afghan roads

In 2008, Taliban and al Qaeda attacks increased 31 percent

There was also a 60 percent rise in civilian deaths in 2008"
Documents give insight into increased violence in Afghanistan - CNN.com


After 7 years the Bush admin really royally still had it all fucked up.

Obama was in office for less than a month before he escalated the war.
Obama approves Afghanistan troop increase - CNN.com


Try using current articles.

From your first link

The documents, based on NATO statistics, show more than a 30 percent increase in such attacks on Afghan roads around the country from January to December 2008

Also, the commander in Afghanistan shouldn't have to beg Obama for more troops and resources. Obama should make sure they were provided for, before it got to this sad state.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/21/world/asia/21afghan.html

General Calls for More U.S. Troops to Avoid Afghan Failure
September 20, 2009

WASHINGTON — The top military commander in Afghanistan warns in a confidential assessment of the war there that he needs additional troops within the next year or else the conflict “will likely result in failure.”
The grim assessment is contained in a 66-page report that the commander, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, submitted to Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates on Aug. 30, and which is now under review by President Obama and his top national security advisers.

The disclosure of details in the assessment, reported Sunday night by The Washington Post, coincided with new skepticism expressed by President Obama about sending any more troops into Afghanistan until he was certain that the strategy was clear.

His remarks came as opposition to the eight-year-old war within his own party is growing.

General McChrystal’s view offered a stark contrast, and the language he used was striking.

“Failure to gain the initiative and reverse insurgent momentum in the near term (next 12 months) — while Afghan security capacity matures — risks an outcome where defeating the insurgency is no longer possible,” General McChrystal writes.

A copy of the assessment, with some operational details removed at the Pentagon’s request to avoid compromising future operations, was posted on The Post’s Web site.

In his five-page commander’s summary, General McChrystal ends on a cautiously optimistic note: “While the situation is serious, success is still achievable.”

But throughout the document, General McChrystal warns that unless he is provided more forces and a robust counterinsurgency strategy, the war in Afghanistan is most likely lost.[/COLOR]

...Mr. Obama and his advisers have said they need time to absorb the assessment of the Afghanistan security situation that General McChrystal submitted three weeks ago — a separate report from the general’s expected request for forces — as well as the uncertainties created by the fraud-tainted Afghan elections.

You are admitting seven years of neo-con mismanagement took at least one year of BHO's term to figure out how to fix it and get going. Thank you.

No, I am talking about the past year.

Where does it talk about 7 years? :cuckoo:
 
None of that, cmike, excused the neo-con mismanagement of both Afghanistan and Iraq, a massive chore that the BHO admin has to clean up.
 
Do you ever stop whining?

"Do you ever stop whining?" whined bent tight, the dishonest flea fart, making one of his typically dishonest comment.

Responding to the previous idiot's stupidity is not "whining," you blithering dishonest imbecile.


Wow. You really never quit whining.

"Wow. You really never quit whining," whined the insufferably stupid-ass nitwit loser, bent tight, not yet grasping how retarded his foolish commentary confirms him to be.

:lol:
 
No, I am talking about the past year.

Then why are you complaining if the neo-cons did a good job. You are in a dilemma, between a rock and a hard space. You have lost either way you go.
 
How did he escalate the Afghan war? How did he increase targeted attacks on suspected Al Qaida?

I want some proof that he did so? Because he didn't.


Well let's look at Bush's last year for afghanistan:



"Documents show more than a 30 percent increase in attacks on Afghan roads

In 2008, Taliban and al Qaeda attacks increased 31 percent

There was also a 60 percent rise in civilian deaths in 2008"
Documents give insight into increased violence in Afghanistan - CNN.com


After 7 years the Bush admin really royally still had it all fucked up.

Obama was in office for less than a month before he escalated the war.
Obama approves Afghanistan troop increase - CNN.com


Try using current articles.

From your first link

The documents, based on NATO statistics, show more than a 30 percent increase in such attacks on Afghan roads around the country from January to December 2008.

Also, the commander in Afghanistan shouldn't have to beg Obama for more troops and resources. Obama should make sure they were provided for, before it got to this sad state.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/21/world/asia/21afghan.html

General Calls for More U.S. Troops to Avoid Afghan Failure
September 20, 2009

WASHINGTON — The top military commander in Afghanistan warns in a confidential assessment of the war there that he needs additional troops within the next year or else the conflict “will likely result in failure.”
The grim assessment is contained in a 66-page report that the commander, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, submitted to Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates on Aug. 30, and which is now under review by President Obama and his top national security advisers.

The disclosure of details in the assessment, reported Sunday night by The Washington Post, coincided with new skepticism expressed by President Obama about sending any more troops into Afghanistan until he was certain that the strategy was clear.

His remarks came as opposition to the eight-year-old war within his own party is growing.

General McChrystal’s view offered a stark contrast, and the language he used was striking.

“Failure to gain the initiative and reverse insurgent momentum in the near term (next 12 months) — while Afghan security capacity matures — risks an outcome where defeating the insurgency is no longer possible,” General McChrystal writes.

A copy of the assessment, with some operational details removed at the Pentagon’s request to avoid compromising future operations, was posted on The Post’s Web site.

In his five-page commander’s summary, General McChrystal ends on a cautiously optimistic note: “While the situation is serious, success is still achievable.”

But throughout the document, General McChrystal warns that unless he is provided more forces and a robust counterinsurgency strategy, the war in Afghanistan is most likely lost.


...Mr. Obama and his advisers have said they need time to absorb the assessment of the Afghanistan security situation that General McChrystal submitted three weeks ago — a separate report from the general’s expected request for forces — as well as the uncertainties created by the fraud-tainted Afghan elections.


You are one dumb ****. You asked for proof obama escalated the war so I provided a link showing he did it less than a month after getting in office and you whine and say I should have used a more current article? What kind of fucking stupid dildo are you?
 
"Do you ever stop whining?" whined bent tight, the dishonest flea fart, making one of his typically dishonest comment.

Responding to the previous idiot's stupidity is not "whining," you blithering dishonest imbecile.


Wow. You really never quit whining.

"Wow. You really never quit whining," whined the insufferably stupid-ass nitwit loser, bent tight, not yet grasping how retarded his foolish commentary confirms him to be.

:lol:

We appreciate you being forthright about never stopping your whining but you know, there is such a thing as excess.
 
No, I am talking about the past year.

Then why are you complaining if the neo-cons did a good job. You are in a dilemma, between a rock and a hard space. You have lost either way you go.

:cuckoo:

The commander has been begging for troops from Obama. Obama at the end of this year, finally made a decision to send more troops.

Do you have any evidence that Pres. Bush didn't give the commander troops that he requested from him?
 
No, I am talking about the past year.

Then why are you complaining if the neo-cons did a good job. You are in a dilemma, between a rock and a hard space. You have lost either way you go.

:cuckoo:

The commander has been begging for troops from Obama. Obama at the end of this year, finally made a decision to send more troops.

Do you have any evidence that Pres. Bush didn't give the commander troops that he requested from him?

Holy shit! Does the name Shinsheki ring a bell?
 
Pres. Bush increased troops.

An additional 9000 was approved by President Bush in December 2008. Together, this would increase troop levels in Afghanistan by 30000 by the end of FY2009.
 
No, I am talking about the past year.

Then why are you complaining if the neo-cons did a good job. You are in a dilemma, between a rock and a hard space. You have lost either way you go.

:cuckoo:

The commander has been begging for troops from Obama. Obama at the end of this year, finally made a decision to send more troops.

Do you have any evidence that Pres. Bush didn't give the commander troops that he requested from him?


You are one stupid prune bug. Obama sent more troops when he got in office. Then you ask when did Bush not honor a request for more troops? What the fuck are you snorting?
Pentagon: More troops to Afghanistan needed, but unlikely - CNN.com
 

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