Obama has an epiphany. Finally admits we are at war.

[PatekPhilippe]

PP: Common knowledge for retards such as yourself? Yes I agree. Your whole world has been shot down in flames loser...deal with it. You spout DNC talking points like they're facts...have another shot or 2 then bury your head in the sand again.

Jake: You are teabagging, PP, and informed, intelligent Americans chuckle and turn away. But, hey, you want to do that, go for it.

Thanks for bumping the thread again...

 

[CMike]

[ The invasion of Iraq was a part of the greater war on terrorism and Bush was AUTHORIZED BY CONGRESS TO CONDUCT THAT WAR. Now...carry on.

Oh really? And Obama has never acknowledged we're in a war in Iraq?

Jeezus, you are the possibly the biggest imbecile on this board, and if that aint sayin' somethin' I don't know what is.

You are the imbecile, of course.

It is NOT that President Obama had NEVER acknowledged that we are at war. It is that he tried to manipulate the use of language to sweep it aside. Being at war and vigorously prosecuting a war are not synonymous.

That he refused to call TERRORISTS "terrorists" was PART of the problem.

Politically correct language is all well and good in a cocktail party or in addressing people in a civilized setting. It is not a good way to discuss the enemy. This particular enemy is not civilized, by the way. They are barbaric fuckers who ARE indeed trying to kill as many of us as they can as often as they can.

9/11/2001 actually did happen and the fuckers who inflicted that shot on us are not done.

What the hell is it going to take to wake you idiots on the left UP?

How the hell do you guys think? Why is it superior NOT to be proactive to PREVENT them from succeeding in any future plots than it is to be merely reactive to the shit they do?

Good God. And when anybody on the right invokes the memory of 9/11 your knee jerk (but dishonest) reaction is to whine some shit about "politicizing" 9/11. You idiots. It was a WARNING. It kinda sorta makes sense to react to the blow inflicted on us AS a warning in order to prepare against any futuer such attacks. Invoking the memory FOR THAT PURPOSE is no more politicizing 9/11 than a fire alarm sounding is politicizing the flames.

Extremely well said.

That's the point I keep trying to make.

We will never win a defensive war.

We will never win hoping that terrorists won't get into defensive. Sooner or later they will again. They can try 50 times, and get lucky once, and they are doing good. Time is against us.

We will never win by every now and then sending a missile from a drone, hoping we get a terrorist leader.

The only way to win is to be proactive and fight an offensive war.

We need to go where Al Qaida is, and kill them. Yeah it's messy, as Iraq and Afghanistan, have proven. We will have more casualties. However, it's the only way. We need to find their state sponsors and punish them.

What war has been won by fighting it defensively?

Either we go to them, or they come to us.

And putting our heads in the sand - again, and not fully engaging in the war, will only cause the enemy to get stronger, and be more successful in their attacks against us.

The enemy has actively engaged in the war, we need to continue to do so too.

 

[CMike]

Oh really? And Obama has never acknowledged we're in a war in Iraq?

Jeezus, you are the possibly the biggest imbecile on this board, and if that aint sayin' somethin' I don't know what is.

You are the imbecile, of course.

It is NOT that President Obama had NEVER acknowledged that we are at war. It is that he tried to manipulate the use of language to sweep it aside. Being at war and vigorously prosecuting a war are not synonymous.

That he refused to call TERRORISTS "terrorists" was PART of the problem.

Politically correct language is all well and good in a cocktail party or in addressing people in a civilized setting. It is not a good way to discuss the enemy. This particular enemy is not civilized, by the way. They are barbaric fuckers who ARE indeed trying to kill as many of us as they can as often as they can.

9/11/2001 actually did happen and the fuckers who inflicted that shot on us are not done.

What the hell is it going to take to wake you idiots on the left UP?

How the hell do you guys think? Why is it superior NOT to be proactive to PREVENT them from succeeding in any future plots than it is to be merely reactive to the shit they do?

Good God. And when anybody on the right invokes the memory of 9/11 your knee jerk (but dishonest) reaction is to whine some shit about "politicizing" 9/11. You idiots. It was a WARNING. It kinda sorta makes sense to react to the blow inflicted on us AS a warning in order to prepare against any futuer such attacks. Invoking the memory FOR THAT PURPOSE is no more politicizing 9/11 than a fire alarm sounding is politicizing the flames.

He's escalated the Afghan war and increased targeted attacks on suspected Al Qaeda. What more do you want?

Not only is he trying to clean up Bush's mess in Iraq, he's now fighting terrorists affiliated with people BUSH released from Gitmo.

How did he escalate the Afghan war? How did he increase targeted attacks on suspected Al Qaida?

I want some proof that he did so? Because he didn't.

 

[JakeStarkey]

cmike, you can't be serious.

The loony left and the fringy teabaggers do the same thing as cmike.

Ask for detailed information on points they can't refute, then they will simply dismiss the source as biased.

Go to, fellow, go to.

 

[CMike]

Jake I missed you.

Last news for Afghanistan obama let it get down to bare bones and finally agreed to send more troops after the begging of the commander there for a long time .

You have other information?

 

[JakeStarkey]

obama inherited 'bare bones' and is building it back up.

 

[Liability]

Yes it is pathetic you wrap your scrawny ass neck around the dumbest things and fool yourself into believing you are doing anything other than whining.

Listen ya idiot little pussy, when I want any shit outta you, I'll squeeze your head till it pops.

Seriously, though, You have nothing to offer, but you spout off your vapid idiocy without end.

By the way, you wrap your ass around things?

Ewww. I think that's just TMI, fuckface.

Hahaha....when message boards go animated (meaning instead of words a cartoon character speaks the post) how will you pick a mouse with a squeal whose pitch is low enough that people will be able to hear it?

^ a post so singularly retarded, I quote it just to preserve it for posterity. It is an exemplar of the best that bent tight has to offer.

 

[Liability]

Lieability[/B];1883380]

You are drooling again, Lie.

You are sucking ass, still, Jokey.

You are drooling again, Lie.

Nope. But you are still sucking ass, Joke.

 

[Liability]

Is there any issue you discuss where you are even remotely informed?

Pointless question coming from a complete assclown like you. You are unable to discern that which is informed from anything and everything else. You are, it appears, just tragically retarded.

Then pick a subject for a one on one debate. Any subject you want.

LOL!

You just desperately crave attention, ya stupid useless little whore.

Since you are a suck-ass, retarded, mindless, robotic, liberoidal-talking-pointless douchebag, it is difficult to imagine anyone finding any justification for wasting time trying to have any adult conversation with you.

 

[Liability]

At least you are not speaking Teabag, Lieability. That's a start.

And again all you have to offer is pathetic liberal talking pointless rhetoric. That's not a start for you. It's the alpha and the omega. It's all you've got and all you ever will have.

The AMERICANS who protested the British Tea Tax were Tea Partiers, you fucking scumbag liberoidal shithead. Not tea-baggers.

Those now protesting the Obama Administration's hideously unAmerican excesses, who have adopted that handle out of respect for those predecessors, are not tea baggers either. You confuse the activities of Keith Olberman with the behavior of your betters.

 

[CurveLight]

Pointless question coming from a complete assclown like you. You are unable to discern that which is informed from anything and everything else. You are, it appears, just tragically retarded.

Then pick a subject for a one on one debate. Any subject you want.

LOL!

You just desperately crave attention, ya stupid useless little whore.

Since you are a suck-ass, retarded, mindless, robotic, liberoidal-talking-pointless douchebag, it is difficult to imagine anyone finding any justification for wasting time trying to have any adult conversation with you.

Nobody is surprised you would take the coward's approach.

 

[CurveLight]

You're too fucking stupid for the english language to adequately describe you. You are a Wilsonite progressive and you should be taken out to play in the middle of I-5 during rush hour. You don't like America? Fuck you...leave....and just so you are aware...DNC talking points and your fucked up straw man arguments are not "facts".

Hahahahahahaha.......oh shit dude. It's common knowledge when someone responds like you did it is an implicit admission of being completely pwned. I've no doubt you will once again ignored the contents of the post. That's why you're a fucking turd sponge hypocrite.

Common knowledge for retards such as yourself? Yes I agree. Your whole world has been shot down in flames loser...deal with it. You spout DNC talking points like they're facts...have another shot or 2 then bury your head in the sand again.

More proof you don't give a fuck. You prance around preaching how much you care about America but when it comes down to it, all you care about is yourself. Whenever you don't like the facts being posted you close your eyes like a two year old in a wet diaper typhoon and think if you post stale partisan phrases it will make the information disappear. The best way you could serve America is to move to Sudan and count grains of sand.

 

[Ravi]

I think it's quite obvious you don't understand the fact that Nagin and Blanco's total ineptitude as the hurricane bore down on their city....spare me your federal government bullshit....the simple fact is the Democrat controlled Mayor's office that was RESPONSIBLE for the city and the Democrat controlled State Governor's Office that was RESPONSIBLE for insuring the city's MAYOR DID HIS FRICKEN JOB both failed....THEY were directly responsible for the deaths of EVERY SINGLE KATRINA VICTIM....yet you chose to blame Bush AFTER THE DAMAGE WAS ALREADY DONE BY THOSE 2 inept buffoons.

Actually, the people that didn't heed the evacuation notice are responsible ... but don't let your hatred of all things Dem slow you down.

I am well aware that Nagin and Blanco did things wrong, too. Yet that doesn't let Bush off the hook.

Your failure to mention this in your original post is glaringly obvious. No one is letting ANYONE off the hook...but let's place blame where it belongs...
and let's get this straight....Nagin and Blanco didn't order the evacuation of the city until it was TOO LATE. Hell Bush had to call Blanco and tell her to get the people out!!!!

and I find it hard to believe you hold the people in the city responsible for their own deaths yet blame Bush for not saving their lives......don't let all that Republican hate get you down.

Get a grip...read back to where this topic of conversation started and quit being a hysterical asshole.

 

[Ravi]

Obviously you don't understand what declaring a federal disaster means...whether you agree that the federal government should act ... when they promise to act and fail to do so they have shirked their duty.

I think it's quite obvious you don't understand the fact that Nagin and Blanco's total ineptitude as the hurricane bore down on their city....spare me your federal government bullshit....the simple fact is the Democrat controlled Mayor's office that was RESPONSIBLE for the city and the Democrat controlled State Governor's Office that was RESPONSIBLE for insuring the city's MAYOR DID HIS FRICKEN JOB both failed....THEY were directly responsible for the deaths of EVERY SINGLE KATRINA VICTIM....yet you chose to blame Bush AFTER THE DAMAGE WAS ALREADY DONE BY THOSE 2 inept buffoons.

FEMA was inadequate for the task following Andrew, an unprecedented modern disaster at the time, and blame was thrown around ad nauseum during that. It was a situation worse than anybody, including the governor of Florida, anticipated and on George H.W. Bush's watch, but it did get taken care of. No credit was given for other emergencies in which FEMA responded quite adequately, however.

Clinton was lucky that there were no major large scale disasters during his eight years that FEMA was ill equipped to handle. And he did have a good FEMA team.

FEMA was inadequate for the task following Katrina--actually it would have been unrealistic and highly criticized to have swelled and funded FEMA to handle a disaster of that magnitude that nobody anticipated. I am not excusing President George W. Bush for some really stupid decisions in the aftermath of that when he was choosing to act rather than do nothing, and the whole thing was pretty ineptly managed for a good long while. But to accuse President Bush for the deaths that occurred when he was out in front asking the governors what they needed before the hurricane hit? To accuse him is the height of mean spirited partisanship. And no credit was given during other emergencies when FEMA acted superbly.

But seriously folks, what has happened to the grown ups in this country? If you didn't have any transportation at your disposal, you had a Cat 5 hurricane bearing down on you and your family, what do you do? Huddle in a corner and whine for big government to save you? Or do you get your rear in gear and figure out some way to get your loved ones to safety? The men of a half century ago would have been out there hot wiring those busses and hauling the people out. A mayor or governor with inadequate resources to get that done would have been calling neighboring states for assistance.

For anybody to use such crises as a way to 'get' this political figure or that one or to delay action to avoid having to give credit to somebody in the 'other party' is the height of recklessness and self-serving irresponsibility. Grown ups do what they have to do to take care of things and worry about politics during elections.

People that don't evacuate mostly don't for two reasons. They've evacuated many times before for no reason. Or they'd rather stay and protect their homes...a rather misguided reason but totally human nature.

And yes, when Bush failed to follow the guidelines laid out by Homeland Security regarding the response of the Federal Government when a president declares a national emergency...he FUCKED UP and it is no one else's fault but his own.

 

[Conspiracist]

"Like", I don't give a flying rats ass about your marriage problems

Marriage problems? I'm happily married, and have been for almost 25 years despite people like you and your fears about gay people somewhere, somehow being treated equally by the law.

If it is illegal, that poses a problem, according to you.

As I said, I do not care about your marriage. Have I ever posted anything about your marriage? You brought it up, not me. Everything is about same sex marriage to you, if you are legally married, what is your beef

Every thread I have seen you post in is eventually about YOUR marriage. I honestly don't care

Did the title of this thread get lost with you?

I am no fan of Bo but in his defense I have not ever seen him mention his marriage, (I am new but still, he posts like mad). Just from his postings I am actually shocked he is married.

Congrats Bo. 25 yrs is nothing to sneeze at and not an easy feat.

 

[Conspiracist]

obama inherited 'bare bones' and is building it back up.

Comments like these are truly old and worn already.

 

[Conspiracist]

obama inherited 'bare bones' and is building it back up.

Comments like these are truly old and worn already.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[It is NOT that President Obama had NEVER acknowledged that we are at war. .

Ok, so we for once agree on something, i.e., that the OP is BULLSHIT.

 

[CurveLight]

You are the imbecile, of course.

It is NOT that President Obama had NEVER acknowledged that we are at war. It is that he tried to manipulate the use of language to sweep it aside. Being at war and vigorously prosecuting a war are not synonymous.

That he refused to call TERRORISTS "terrorists" was PART of the problem.

Politically correct language is all well and good in a cocktail party or in addressing people in a civilized setting. It is not a good way to discuss the enemy. This particular enemy is not civilized, by the way. They are barbaric fuckers who ARE indeed trying to kill as many of us as they can as often as they can.

9/11/2001 actually did happen and the fuckers who inflicted that shot on us are not done.

What the hell is it going to take to wake you idiots on the left UP?

How the hell do you guys think? Why is it superior NOT to be proactive to PREVENT them from succeeding in any future plots than it is to be merely reactive to the shit they do?

Good God. And when anybody on the right invokes the memory of 9/11 your knee jerk (but dishonest) reaction is to whine some shit about "politicizing" 9/11. You idiots. It was a WARNING. It kinda sorta makes sense to react to the blow inflicted on us AS a warning in order to prepare against any futuer such attacks. Invoking the memory FOR THAT PURPOSE is no more politicizing 9/11 than a fire alarm sounding is politicizing the flames.

He's escalated the Afghan war and increased targeted attacks on suspected Al Qaeda. What more do you want?

Not only is he trying to clean up Bush's mess in Iraq, he's now fighting terrorists affiliated with people BUSH released from Gitmo.

How did he escalate the Afghan war? How did he increase targeted attacks on suspected Al Qaida?

I want some proof that he did so? Because he didn't.

Well let's look at Bush's last year for afghanistan:



"Documents show more than a 30 percent increase in attacks on Afghan roads

In 2008, Taliban and al Qaeda attacks increased 31 percent

There was also a 60 percent rise in civilian deaths in 2008"
Documents give insight into increased violence in Afghanistan - CNN.com


After 7 years the Bush admin really royally still had it all fucked up.

Obama was in office for less than a month before he escalated the war.
Obama approves Afghanistan troop increase - CNN.com

 

[CMike]

obama inherited 'bare bones' and is building it back up.

It's been a whole year. The I inherited it nonsense doesn't work any more.

The commander of Afghanistan has been pleading for more troops and resources for many months, and new toops and resources still hasn't come despite, Obama finally making an announcement to send troops.

In any case, Afghanistan is one front, Iraq, is another front, and Yemen is still another.