Obama has an epiphany. Finally admits we are at war.

[PatekPhilippe]

You know....if I were President and got caught advocating torture techniques...I'd think the easiest way to get off the hook is to make some vague references to vague plots that were vaguely foiled by torturing a few suspects. Sorry, can't give you evidence...National Security and all *wink *wink. You'll just have to take our word for it. *wink *wink. (Don't worry, our minions are happy to be 'convinced' that was justification for torture, they like torture anyways)

CNSNews.com - CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles


Before he was waterboarded, when KSM was asked about planned attacks on the United States, he ominously told his CIA interrogators, “Soon, you will know.”

According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that was released by President Barack Obama last week, the thwarted attack -- which KSM called the “Second Wave”-- planned “ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.”

KSM was the mastermind of the first “hijacked-airliner” attacks on the United States, which struck the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Northern Virginia on Sept. 11, 2001.

After KSM was captured by the United States, he was not initially cooperative with CIA interrogators. Nor was another top al Qaeda leader named Zubaydah. KSM, Zubaydah, and a third terrorist named Nashiri were the only three persons ever subjected to waterboarding by the CIA. (Additional terrorist detainees were subjected to other “enhanced techniques” that included slapping, sleep deprivation, dietary limitations, and temporary confinement to small spaces -- but not to water-boarding.)

This was because the CIA imposed very tight restrictions on the use of waterboarding. “The ‘waterboard,’ which is the most intense of the CIA interrogation techniques, is subject to additional limits,” explained the May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo. “It may be used on a High Value Detainee only if the CIA has ‘credible intelligence that a terrorist attack is imminent’; ‘substantial and credible indicators that the subject has actionable intelligence that can prevent, disrupt or deny this attack’; and ‘[o]ther interrogation methods have failed to elicit this information within the perceived time limit for preventing the attack.’”

The quotations in this part of the Justice memo were taken from an Aug. 2, 2004 letter that CIA Acting General Counsel John A. Rizzo sent to the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel.

Before they were subjected to “enhanced techniques” of interrogation that included waterboarding, KSM and Zubaydah were not only uncooperative but also appeared contemptuous of the will of the American people to defend themselves.

“In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to obtain critical information from numerous detainees, including KSM and Abu Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques,” says the Justice Department memo. “Both KSM and Zubaydah had ‘expressed their belief that the general US population was ‘weak,’ lacked resilience, and would be unable to ‘do what was necessary’ to prevent the terrorists from succeeding in their goals.’ Indeed, before the CIA used enhanced techniques in its interrogation of KSM, KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, ‘Soon you will know.’”[/COLOR]

After he was subjected to the “waterboard” technique, KSM became cooperative, providing intelligence that led to the capture of key al Qaeda allies and, eventually, the closing down of an East Asian terrorist cell that had been tasked with carrying out the 9/11-style attack on Los Angeles.

The May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that details what happened in this regard was written by then-Principal Deputy Attorney General Steven G. Bradbury to John A. Rizzo, the senior deputy general counsel for the CIA.

“You have informed us that the interrogation of KSM—once enhanced techniques were employed—led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the ‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles,” says the memo.

“You have informed us that information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discover of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemaah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the ‘Second Wave,’” reads the memo. “More specifically, we understand that KSM admitted that he had [redaction] large sum of money to an al Qaeda associate [redaction] … Khan subsequently identified the associate (Zubair), who was then captured. Zubair, in turn, provided information that led to the arrest of Hambali. The information acquired from these captures allowed CIA interrogators to pose more specific questions to KSM, which led the CIA to Hambali’s brother, al Hadi. Using information obtained from multiple sources, al-Hadi was captured, and he subsequently identified the Garuba cell. With the aid of this additional information, interrogations of Hambali confirmed much of what was learned from KSM.”


...In the memo itself, the Justice Department’s Bradbury told the CIA’s Rossi: “Your office has informed us that the CIA believes that ‘the intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al Qa’ida has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11 September 2001.”

*wink *wink

Brought to you by the same Cheney led CIA that gave us Yellow Cake, Mushroom Clouds and WMDs in Baghdad.

*wink *wink

You stupid idiot....Tenet led the CIA and was appointed by Clinton.

*wink wink*

 

[bodecea]

You can't hide it. Your hate. You wish for a terrorist attack because you hate obama more than you care about americans or solving problems.

The gleam in his eye.....it's blinding!

You're a piece of work there bodecea...when your fearless god is called on the floor for being an incompetent boob all you can do is attack his detractors....no wonder your cause is floundering like a fish out of water. With strategys like you all employ they'd be better off just shutting the fuck up.

See....? Blinding. He can barely restrain himself.

 

[bodecea]

CNSNews.com - CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles


Before he was waterboarded, when KSM was asked about planned attacks on the United States, he ominously told his CIA interrogators, “Soon, you will know.”

According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that was released by President Barack Obama last week, the thwarted attack -- which KSM called the “Second Wave”-- planned “ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.”

KSM was the mastermind of the first “hijacked-airliner” attacks on the United States, which struck the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Northern Virginia on Sept. 11, 2001.

After KSM was captured by the United States, he was not initially cooperative with CIA interrogators. Nor was another top al Qaeda leader named Zubaydah. KSM, Zubaydah, and a third terrorist named Nashiri were the only three persons ever subjected to waterboarding by the CIA. (Additional terrorist detainees were subjected to other “enhanced techniques” that included slapping, sleep deprivation, dietary limitations, and temporary confinement to small spaces -- but not to water-boarding.)

This was because the CIA imposed very tight restrictions on the use of waterboarding. “The ‘waterboard,’ which is the most intense of the CIA interrogation techniques, is subject to additional limits,” explained the May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo. “It may be used on a High Value Detainee only if the CIA has ‘credible intelligence that a terrorist attack is imminent’; ‘substantial and credible indicators that the subject has actionable intelligence that can prevent, disrupt or deny this attack’; and ‘[o]ther interrogation methods have failed to elicit this information within the perceived time limit for preventing the attack.’”

The quotations in this part of the Justice memo were taken from an Aug. 2, 2004 letter that CIA Acting General Counsel John A. Rizzo sent to the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel.

Before they were subjected to “enhanced techniques” of interrogation that included waterboarding, KSM and Zubaydah were not only uncooperative but also appeared contemptuous of the will of the American people to defend themselves.

“In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to obtain critical information from numerous detainees, including KSM and Abu Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques,” says the Justice Department memo. “Both KSM and Zubaydah had ‘expressed their belief that the general US population was ‘weak,’ lacked resilience, and would be unable to ‘do what was necessary’ to prevent the terrorists from succeeding in their goals.’ Indeed, before the CIA used enhanced techniques in its interrogation of KSM, KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, ‘Soon you will know.’”[/COLOR]

After he was subjected to the “waterboard” technique, KSM became cooperative, providing intelligence that led to the capture of key al Qaeda allies and, eventually, the closing down of an East Asian terrorist cell that had been tasked with carrying out the 9/11-style attack on Los Angeles.

The May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that details what happened in this regard was written by then-Principal Deputy Attorney General Steven G. Bradbury to John A. Rizzo, the senior deputy general counsel for the CIA.

“You have informed us that the interrogation of KSM—once enhanced techniques were employed—led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the ‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles,” says the memo.

“You have informed us that information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discover of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemaah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the ‘Second Wave,’” reads the memo. “More specifically, we understand that KSM admitted that he had [redaction] large sum of money to an al Qaeda associate [redaction] … Khan subsequently identified the associate (Zubair), who was then captured. Zubair, in turn, provided information that led to the arrest of Hambali. The information acquired from these captures allowed CIA interrogators to pose more specific questions to KSM, which led the CIA to Hambali’s brother, al Hadi. Using information obtained from multiple sources, al-Hadi was captured, and he subsequently identified the Garuba cell. With the aid of this additional information, interrogations of Hambali confirmed much of what was learned from KSM.”


...In the memo itself, the Justice Department’s Bradbury told the CIA’s Rossi: “Your office has informed us that the CIA believes that ‘the intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al Qa’ida has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11 September 2001.”

*wink *wink

Brought to you by the same Cheney led CIA that gave us Yellow Cake, Mushroom Clouds and WMDs in Baghdad.

*wink *wink

You stupid idiot....Tenet led the CIA and was appointed by Clinton.

*wink wink*

YOu obviously never heard about Cheney's "special" visits to the CIA.

 

[bodecea]

You can't hide it. Your hate. You wish for a terrorist attack because you hate obama more than you care about americans or solving problems.

The gleam in his eye.....it's blinding!

You're a piece of work there bodecea...when your fearless god is called on the floor for being an incompetent boob all you can do is attack his detractors....no wonder your cause is floundering like a fish out of water. With strategys like you all employ they'd be better off just shutting the fuck up.

You've got me confused, btw. Who is this 'fearless god' of mine you are referring to?

 

[PatekPhilippe]

*wink *wink

Brought to you by the same Cheney led CIA that gave us Yellow Cake, Mushroom Clouds and WMDs in Baghdad.

*wink *wink

You stupid idiot....Tenet led the CIA and was appointed by Clinton.

*wink wink*

YOu obviously never heard about Cheney's "special" visits to the CIA.

LOL...please tell us what DailyKOS had to say about that...

 

[PatekPhilippe]

The gleam in his eye.....it's blinding!

You're a piece of work there bodecea...when your fearless god is called on the floor for being an incompetent boob all you can do is attack his detractors....no wonder your cause is floundering like a fish out of water. With strategys like you all employ they'd be better off just shutting the fuck up.

You've got me confused, btw. Who is this 'fearless god' of mine you are referring to?

Confused? Tell us something we DON'T KNOW about you...please.

You think Obama is the answer to everything and you just cannot accept the fact that he's no better than Bush.

 

[mudwhistle]

I don't. No one blamed Bush for Katrina, they blamed him for his response to it...and it wasn't his fault the levee broke, but it was the fault of the federal government for promising safety and not following through with making sure the levees were safe.

of course both the democratic governor and mayor were blameless.....



only bush stepped up and took responsibility....your dem leaders did not....

how sad

Bush didn't understand his responsibilities after he declared a federal disaster. He also didn't understand that taking over the state militia wasn't an option under the constitution.

But do go on and defend him, it is rather fascinating to see an advocate of state's rights defend someone who cared nothing about them.

I hope you can give the media a lesson in Civic Responsibilities because they sure seemed to have misunderstood who was responsible for what.

Mayors are responsible for the funding and training of first responders in any disaster. Governors are responsible for the same in their state. Both are Presidents or the top dog in their area of responsibility....but in this case the Libs in charge decided that finger-pointing was better then doing their jobs.

There is a risk to electing people that run on a populist agenda. They tend to be less then competent when it comes to disaster relief and national defense.....mainly because they got where they are by pointing out the other guy's faults and avoiding exposure of their own.

 

[sboyle24]

Look at all these people drawing rash conclusions on slim and weak basis. Epic fail everyone.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

I don't. No one blamed Bush for Katrina, they blamed him for his response to it...and it wasn't his fault the levee broke, but it was the fault of the federal government for promising safety and not following through with making sure the levees were safe.

of course both the democratic governor and mayor were blameless.....



only bush stepped up and took responsibility....your dem leaders did not....

how sad

Bush didn't understand his responsibilities after he declared a federal disaster. He also didn't understand that taking over the state militia wasn't an option under the constitution.

But do go on and defend him, it is rather fascinating to see an advocate of state's rights defend someone who cared nothing about them.

We will...it was the Mayor's and State governor's responsibility to mitigate the disaster BEFORE 1200 PEOPLE GOT KILLED and Bush had to declare a national emergency.

Where's the screaming and outrage over their irresponsible actions?

When will you guys realize that government is NOT the answer to everything?

 

[Ravi]

of course both the democratic governor and mayor were blameless.....



only bush stepped up and took responsibility....your dem leaders did not....

how sad

Bush didn't understand his responsibilities after he declared a federal disaster. He also didn't understand that taking over the state militia wasn't an option under the constitution.

But do go on and defend him, it is rather fascinating to see an advocate of state's rights defend someone who cared nothing about them.

We will...it was the Mayor's and State governor's responsibility to mitigate the disaster BEFORE 1200 PEOPLE GOT KILLED and Bush had to declare a national emergency.

Where's the screaming and outrage over their irresponsible actions?

When will you guys realize that government is NOT the answer to everything?

Obviously you don't understand what declaring a federal disaster means...whether you agree that the federal government should act ... when they promise to act and fail to do so they have shirked their duty.

 

[CurveLight]

Watch and see what happens if, god forbid...there is another attack and it's successful.

You can't hide it. Your hate. You wish for a terrorist attack because you hate obama more than you care about americans or solving problems.

and this post proves that your idiocy is beyond compare.

my point is OBAMA BETTER GET HIS SHIT TOGETHER AND STOP PLAYING GAMES!!!!!!!!!! HE'S FUCKING WITH AMERICAN LIVES!!!!!!

Since you care so much about American lives being fucked with I'm sure you have always been against the iraq invasion and occupation. Is that correct or do you support it?

 

[CurveLight]

What a douchebag thing to say. Considering the source, such douchebag posts are not unexpected.

But some examples of bent tight's enormous capacity for being a mega-douche are worse than others.

You have absolutely no imagination. Either stop whining or find a way to make it entertaining.

drop your pants and bend over...............here she comes right up your ass. or is down you throat. how can we tell the diff?????

I appreciate your confession to being a homosexual but unfortunately I'm straight and not interested.

 

[CurveLight]

and if we do??? WTF you gonna do about it????

Who said you could talk you fucking coward? When I want to know what a pussy thinks i'll let ya know.

just try and stop me Hitler

Rotfl.....your **** punk ass called someone hitler? Lol!

 

[CurveLight]

In case you missed the point of my previous post

1) Waterboarding had very strict restrictions

2) The arch terrorists would not reveal information about further terrorist attacks simply taunting them by saying "soon, you will know"

3) The information obtained stopped a second wave of 911 by thwarting a terrorist attack of a plane into a LA building

Who are the terrorists that were supposed to do the attack and in what court were they convicted?

 

[Dr Grump]

drop your pants and bend over...............here she comes right up your ass. or is down you throat. how can we tell the diff?????

Please, this is a political messageboard in the main. Keep your personal fantasies to yourself..

 

[mudwhistle]

Curve is in denial.

 

[CurveLight]

Lieability is projecting his inability to act like a grownup onto Curve Light (again).

Don't forget....he's the genius that claimed the Op Northwoods documents were planted fakes in order to boost the 9E False Flag camps. Then I pointed out those documents were declassified a year before 9E and he went scurrying back into his little hole.

One cannot "forget" something that never happened. Your distorted version of that exchange is typical.

What I said then and say again now is that I doubted the authenticity of the Op'n Northwoods documents. That's why I suggested that they are fraudulent documents.
I DO still doubt their actual authenticity, by the way.

But the purpose for which I actually offered that "conspiracy theory," you lying fucktard, was to mock conspiracy theories that lack great factual support. You know the kind of sub-moronic asshole "theories." The ones YOU tend to favor. Yeah. Taht's right. It was actually a discussion about the 9/11 Troofer crap. And you weren't supporting that hidouesly unpersuasive shit., No no. Not you. You were "only asking questions." You cowardly cockbite.

In any event, I project nothing onto bent tight. I just call you out for the lying asshole you are. If you don't like it, too bad. Stop being a lying asshole and maybe you'll reap the rewards someday.

You claimed someone faked the signatures of all Joint Chiefs of Staff then planted the documents at the same time genuine docs were declassified in the Pentagon. You have absolutely no viable reason nor a shred of evidence but you still daydream about stupid bullshit. Didn't you just preach about respect for facts and intellectual honesty? Rotfl! What a fucking joke.

 

[CurveLight]

Curve is in denial.

Wow. Somehow Dr. Phil has overlooked you.

 

[Toome]

The problem I have with Obama's "epiphany," is that this is not the first time he's said the sort of things we want to hear. He is a true politician. He knows that he's got to appear strong on national security, and the best way to do it is to proclaim that we are at war against terrorists. Doesn't mean that he has to do anything about it. All he has to do is make a public statement.

I will agree with the comments made regarding another attack. I think the Obama administration is already doomed; I certainly believe that Congress will change power this November. But if the bad guys launch another terrorist attack, Obama will be a lame duck for the rest of his term.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I don't. No one blamed Bush for Katrina, they blamed him for his response to it...and it wasn't his fault the levee broke, but it was the fault of the federal government for promising safety and not following through with making sure the levees were safe.

if i remember an article back then the people voted to build the superdome with money recieved rather than do the levees.....because what chance is there of them breaking?.....and the Dome meant revenue and jobs.....i could be wrong...