Obama looks so small compared to this great man

[code1211]

Reagan wasn't a flip flopper like Romney, who was for the individual mandate before he was against it.

Hey stupid, there is a monumental difference between a state mandate (constitutional) and a federal mandate (unconstitutional). Why can't you incompetent liberals grasp something so simple? I know you guys are stupid, but come on - even a toddler can grasp this.

Its not unconstitutional. Watch the news lately? For fucks sake you're stupid.

Mitt Romney says the model should be implemented for the entire nation:

“If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be a model for the nation.”
- Romney in Baltimore, Feb. 2, 2007

In Massachusetts, half of the cost is born by the Feds.

Who will foot this cost if the Feds play the role of Mass in this little dementia?

 

[code1211]

Right! What's so great about romney?

He seems to like the idea of America. That's a step up from the current guy.

Then why the overseas bank accounts?

I've got a feeling this would be in response to tax laws. He didn't ask me what he should do with his cash.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Lying to Congress seems to be a favorite Democrat tactic for convicting Republicans.. .. . So all commie loving bastards that rewrite history can go suck on a dead liberal nose until his head caves in.

No commie made Ollie lie, asshole.

No commie made Ollie break the law, asshole.

You will not be allowed to try to rewrite history without getting your asshole kicked in.

Capiche?

 

[code1211]

The Big 0 has outspent all presidents since the dawn of the Republic.

This is blatantly incorrect.
It is saying that all other presidential budgets totaled are less that Obama's budget totals.

He did outspend Washington and Washington started the whiskey tax.

I meant each President individually, not all of them combined.

 

[code1211]

No, actually, both of your claims are factually untrue.

He didn't halve black unemployment. Black unemployment was 14.3 in 1980 and 11.7 in 1988. That's a 22% decline, not a 50% decline. So you're wrong.
Unemployment rates by race and ethnicity, 2010

Also, median household income only rose about 8% over his term. You can see in this table:
Median Household Income History in the United States
that it was, in inflation adjusted dollars, $48126 in 1988 and $44616 in 1980 for an improvement of 8%. And in fact, during his first term, the real value of the median income rose less than $200.


Reagan's modest 8% improvement over 8 years is better than any Republican President in recent history, but as you can see, it went from $46,616 in 1992 to $53,164, for a 14% increase over 8 years under President Clinton. So Reagan isn't particularly noteworthy for his 8% improvement, except that its the best for a recent Republican.



Where the fuck did you get your numbers, BTW. Did you just make them up or are you parroting something you heard somewhere that you obviously never bothered to check out yourself? That's the trouble with debating things with people like you. You only know what others have told you, you seldom decide to check out the facts for yourself. God forbid you have to read past a headline and do your own homework to make sure you aren't being lied to. Obviously - whoever told you Reagan reduced black unemployment by halve was full of shit. Obviously - whoever told you Reagan increased household incomes by 12% was also wrong. You probably couldn't even say where you first heard it - I'm sure that there are millions of sheep like you out their parroting the same false statistics. Its obvious you didn't come up with those figures on your own, because I presume you have basic arithmetic skills. But you'll continue to believe whatever FOX News or Rush Limbaugh or your ignorant conservative friends who get their knowledge from Hannity or Ann Coulter have to tell you because its easier than doing your own damn homework and thinking.

How's Black unemployment doing under the Big 0?

In May 2012, black unemployment is at 13.6%. So in terms of unemployment, blacks are doing better right now than they did for the first 6 years of Reagan's Presidency.

Table A-2. Employment status of the civilian population by race, sex, and age

Unemployment rates by race and ethnicity, 2010


Does that answer your question?

So the unemployment rate for Blacks in the span of time under obama has moved from 14.6% to 13.8%.

Are you calling this success?


The recession of the 70's was a prolonged and miserable thing that hung on for years. It started following Viet Nam and continued through Ford and Carter and the first couple years of Reagan. We, as a country, were on the ropes and Reagan single handedly retrieved the greatness within us and taught us to believe again. If you lived through it and didn't notice this, you're a fool.

If you did not live through it, you have no idea.

Reading about this period is, I would think, like reading about the way a cake tastes or how a broken leg feels. It gives you words when sensation is all that will define it fully.

 

[code1211]

President Reagan's Address to the Nation on Independence Day - 7/4/86 - YouTube

To be honest, I don't see anybody of Reagan-calibre in either party right now.

Yes, no one can act with a monkey quite like he can. Perhaps the republicans should drop the Romloser and see if Clint Eastwood wants to run for them. He can act with monkeys too, and that seem to be the epitome of what the republican party sees as a good president. So what if Reagan caused a recession, funded and trained Bin Laden, and took the US drug war to new and economy crippling levels. Oh, and let us not forget the great leaps backwards tricle down economics has done for us. Reagan was clearly was made to lead the nation of monkeys....I mean republicans.

Are you high?

 

[Borillar]

How's Black unemployment doing under the Big 0?

In May 2012, black unemployment is at 13.6%. So in terms of unemployment, blacks are doing better right now than they did for the first 6 years of Reagan's Presidency.

Table A-2. Employment status of the civilian population by race, sex, and age



Unemployment rates by race and ethnicity, 2010


Does that answer your question?

So the unemployment rate for Blacks in the span of time under obama has moved from 14.6% to 13.8%.

Are you calling this success?

Yep. Employment rates for Blacks has gone up despite unprecedented Repug stonewalling, filibusters, and sabotage. The whole country would be so much better off if we just had an ounce of cooperation from the Repugs.

 

[code1211]

Yeah Reagan was so great.

The administration in 1984 secretly sold arms to Iran -- which the United States considered a supporter of terrorism -- to raise cash for Nicaraguan contra rebels, despite a congressional ban on support for the Latin American insurgency. An independent investigation concluded that the arms sales to Iran operations "were carried out with the knowledge of, among others, President Ronald Reagan [and] Vice President George Bush," and that "large volumes of highly relevant, contemporaneously created documents were systematically and willfully withheld from investigators by several Reagan Administration officials."

The combination of a huge "supply-side" tax cut, a historic military buildup and a painful two-year recession produced huge budget deficits and a near tripling of the national debt that haunted the country and policymakers for years and drained resources from social programs. And the administration showed indifference to an emerging AIDS crisis in the early 1980s. By the time Reagan delivered his first speech on the epidemic in May 1988 -- about eight months before he left office -- the disease had been diagnosed in more than 36,000 Americans, and 20,849 had died.

Until a public protest forced Reagan to back away, his Agriculture Department sought to cut the school lunch program and redefine ketchup and relish as vegetables.
Schisms From Administration Lingered for Years

I'm not impressed.

Now that you have listed a very few of the low lights, focus on the rest of his 8 years....BTW...the supply-side (as you call it) tax cuts are NOT a bad thing. They are ONE of hundreds of good things that helped to change this country for the better.

It was Reagan's policies and his altering of our economy from one of massive theft of the producers, to one in which business could thrive, was the direct cause of more than 12 years of prosperity, those same years that everyone likes to give Clinton credit for.

His policies reunited Germany, started th downfall of one of the worst tyrannical governments in our histoy (Soviet Russia) and put communism back on its heals for decades.

Yeah.....But you go ahead and focus on JUST the bad stuff and then define Reagan by that alone.

The supply-side as I call it?

How about the supply-side as the Washington Post calls it. They're the ones who wrote the article.

And if you think the Iran-Contra affair was just a "low light", guess again. It practically defines Reagan's term in office.

Aside from Reagan ordering Gorbachev to "Tear Down This Wall" (I'll be Gorbachev quaked with fear when Reagan said it) exactly what policies of Reagan's reunited Germany? It was Germany's policies which reunited Germany I would think.
The Iron Curtain was ready to fall long before Reagan made his speech. He's about as responsible for the German Reunification as David Hasselhof is.

And why shouldn't we only focus on the bad stuff Reagan did? Isn't that what you all are doing with Obama?

In point of fact, the Russians were terrified of Reagan. They believed in their hearts that Star Wars was ready to be deployed.

 

[code1211]

Reagan was rated sixth best president by the Wall Street Journal, while historians only rated Reagan as wee bit above average. 16th. to 18th.

Historians are Democrat.

 

[code1211]

Reagan wasn't that great of a President. He didn't really do anything great.

The job of a President is more like the job of a parent. It's not what he does. It's what the citizenry does while he's in power.

Reagan allowed the US population to regain greatness.

Compare that to the current loser who is allowing us to regain a languishing dependence and a belief that our best is behind us. A President is judged not by the great things that he does, but by the great things the we do while he's in office.

Obama's like a golfer who has a beautiful swing and puts every ball in the pond.

He is a complete and utter failure, but he looks great while he's bringing us all down. I'll give you that.

This makes no sense (unsurprisingly); the American people have always been great, there was nothing to ‘regain.’

How old were you in 1976?

 

[Borillar]

I would like to have you explain how Reagan managed to make a hostage deal by selling arms to Iran BEFORE he became President. When you explain that, we can discuss the rest of your absolute nonsense.

Within an hour after Reagan was sworn in..the hostages were released.

While there is nothing concrete that points to him making a deal before becoming President, that seems to be the case.

And the fucker lied about selling arms to Iran in order to free hostages..while using the money from the sales to arm terrorists in central and south america.

Oh yeah..and he also funneled money to the muj. Which were headed up by such bright spots in the terrorist world..like Osama Bin Laden.

One more time you ignorant idiot. How did Reagan sell arms to Iran BEFORE he became President?

Quid Pro Quo.

 

[code1211]

WOW, did you happen to catch the President at the Republican House of Representatives retreat in 2010? Oh that's right...So effective was the president that Fox News cut away from the broadcast 20 minutes before it ended.


Obama Goes To GOP Lions' Den -- And Mauls The Lions

President Obama traveled to a House Republican retreat in Baltimore on Friday and delivered a performance that was at once defiant, substantive and engaging. For roughly an hour and a half, Obama lectured GOP leaders and, in a protracted, nationally-televised question-and-answer session, deflected their policy critiques, corrected their misstatements and scolded them for playing petty politics. (Full video and transcript available HERE.)

White House officials told the Huffington Post they were absolutely ecstatic. MSNBC's Luke Russert, who was on the scene in Baltimore, relayed that a Republican official and other GOP aides had confided to him that allowing the "cameras to roll like that" was a "mistake."

Standing on a stage, looking down at his Republican questioners, Obama assumed the role of responsible adult to the GOP children, or, at the very least, of a college professor teaching and lecturing a room full of students.

I attended the University of Minnesota. The U of M has a football program that, according to a coach of the past, makes the upper division possible.

Every coach of this hapless program comes to power with a flourish and the promise that he will right this sinking ship.

Their last National Championship was won before the Vikings started up as a Franchise.

Obama can talk. I'll give you that. If he could lead, unite or govern, that would be even better.

How big will the Landslide reelection margin be in November?

President Obama has tried to work with the other side from the beginning. He is faced with the most obstructionist GOP in history. Maybe you are just unaware of what Republicans have been doing? Are you aware that Republicans made a collective decision at the beginning of the health care debate?

"At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994."

David Frum - former speechwriter for George W. Bush

GOP Senate leader McConnell conceded on the record that defeating the president in 2012 is his “top priority”

Then there is the GOP's tactics...

What Republicans have been doing since Obama took office is not 'politics', it is domestic terrorism.


Insurgency

Friday, February 6, 2009

Texas Republican Congressman Pete Sessions compares GOP strategy to Taliban insurgency

"Insurgency, we understand perhaps a little bit more because of the Taliban, and that is that they went about systematically understanding how to disrupt and change a person's entire processes. And these Taliban -- I'm not trying to say the Republican Party is the Taliban. No, that's not what we're saying. I'm saying an example of how you go about [sic] is to change a person from their messaging to their operations to their frontline message. And we need to understand that insurgency may be required when the other side, the House leadership, does not follow the same commands, which we entered the game with."

Congressman Pete Sessions Compares House Republicans To Taliban | Capitol Annex

My best wishes on your recent recovery from your coma.

Please recall that until Teddy Kennedy died, Obama could have passed anything with no Republican votes.

Following that, he only needed to attract one Republican vote to pass anything.

He could not. His message to the Minority in their first meeting was that he won and they lost.

His Energy people said that they would put their boot on our collective throat. His EPA folks said they would kill the first folks they saw just to get the rest in line.

Your memory has failed you unless what you have posted is satire. If it is, then kudos.

 

[code1211]

Reagan wasn't that great of a President. He didn't really do anything great.

The job of a President is more like the job of a parent. It's not what he does. It's what the citizenry does while he's in power.

Reagan allowed the US population to regain greatness.

Could you possibly be more vague?

A President is judged not by the great things that he does, but by the great things the we do while he's in office.

Obama's like a golfer who has a beautiful swing and puts every ball in the pond.

He is a complete and utter failure, but he looks great while he's bringing us all down. I'll give you that.

Oh, well the golf analogy cleared it all up, thanks. Its obvious you're a moron.

From you, I will acknowledge this as a compliment.

 

[Vidi]

President Reagan's Address to the Nation on Independence Day - 7/4/86 - YouTube

My stepfather was a self righteous prick who enjoyed making other peoples lives a living hell. He was just plain mean and drunk most of the time.

Then he died of cancer. And now, everyone has nothing but good things to say about him.

Same thing with Reagan.

 

[BDBoop]

Reagan was rated sixth best president by the Wall Street Journal, while historians only rated Reagan as wee bit above average. 16th. to 18th.

Historians are Democrat.

Priceless.

 

[Too Tall]

Lying to Congress seems to be a favorite Democrat tactic for convicting Republicans.. .. . So all commie loving bastards that rewrite history can go suck on a dead liberal nose until his head caves in.

No commie made Ollie lie, asshole.

No commie made Ollie break the law, asshole.

You will not be allowed to try to rewrite history without getting your asshole kicked in.

Capiche?

I understand Ollie was convicted and then it was overturned. Capiche?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Lying to Congress seems to be a favorite Democrat tactic for convicting Republicans.. .. . So all commie loving bastards that rewrite history can go suck on a dead liberal nose until his head caves in.

No commie made Ollie lie, asshole.

No commie made Ollie break the law, asshole.

You will not be allowed to try to rewrite history without getting your asshole kicked in.

Capiche?

I understand Ollie was convicted and then it was overturned. Capiche?

Yup. He lied, then confessed under immunity, then the government violated the immunity to try and convict him. It was rightfully overturned.

However, none of that changes that

"No commie made Ollie lie, asshole.

No commie made Ollie break the law, asshole."

Too Tall, if Ollie had won the VA race for senator some time back, when he raised his hand to take the oath, who would have believed him?

 

[code1211]

I would like to have you explain how Reagan managed to make a hostage deal by selling arms to Iran BEFORE he became President. When you explain that, we can discuss the rest of your absolute nonsense.

Within an hour after Reagan was sworn in..the hostages were released.

While there is nothing concrete that points to him making a deal before becoming President, that seems to be the case.

And the fucker lied about selling arms to Iran in order to free hostages..while using the money from the sales to arm terrorists in central and south america.

Oh yeah..and he also funneled money to the muj. Which were headed up by such bright spots in the terrorist world..like Osama Bin Laden.

It might also be that the Iranians were just a tad scared of the guy that might nuke the A-holes until the sand turned to glass.

Fordsflylow negged me for this post.

Is there some etiquette for Neg reps that i'm not aware of?

Why is it that if a Lefty says that Reagan had his finger on the button, he gets kudos and the yammering lemmings congratulate each other for their creative use of their impairments, but if you take their opinion and apply it to the real world to explain a real result, they get upset?

It seems like if a person simply disagrees, he should explain why the Poster was wrong. Lacking that, throwing a bomb is his only response.

When lacking in wit, throw a fit.

 

[code1211]

Reagan was rated sixth best president by the Wall Street Journal, while historians only rated Reagan as wee bit above average. 16th. to 18th.

Historians are Democrat.

Priceless.

Are they not a part of academia?

 

[BDBoop]

Within an hour after Reagan was sworn in..the hostages were released.

While there is nothing concrete that points to him making a deal before becoming President, that seems to be the case.

And the fucker lied about selling arms to Iran in order to free hostages..while using the money from the sales to arm terrorists in central and south america.

Oh yeah..and he also funneled money to the muj. Which were headed up by such bright spots in the terrorist world..like Osama Bin Laden.

It might also be that the Iranians were just a tad scared of the guy that might nuke the A-holes until the sand turned to glass.

Fordsflylow negged me for this post.

Is there some etiquette for Neg reps that i'm not aware of?

Why is it that if a Lefty says that Reagan had his finger on the button, he gets kudos and the yammering lemmings congratulate each other for their creative use of their impairments, but if you take their opinion and apply it to the real world to explain a real result, they get upset?

It seems like if a person simply disagrees, he should explain why the Poster was wrong. Lacking that, throwing a bomb is his only response.

When lacking in wit, throw a fit.

There is no etiquette rep, and it flies equally hard for both directions, for no reason whatsoever.