Obama More of a Criminal Than Nixon??

[PoliticalChic]

Although Nixon is quoted by John Dean as fuming "Why Can't We Use the IRS against them?"...he did not do so.
Thus...article two of the articles of impeachment used the term 'endeavoured'....

"He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner."
Watergate Articles Of Impeachment





But the Chicago thug administration never stopped at 'endeavor'.....they went on to actually achieve the illegality....

The Obama team "obtained from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner."




Correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't actually committing the crime worse than suggesting it?





1. "A little over a year ago, I reported that, ”It is likely that someone at the Internal Revenue Service illegally leaked confidential donor information showing a contribution from Mitt Romney’s political action committee to the National Organization for Marriage, says the group.”

2. “There is little question that one or more employees at the IRS stole our confidential tax return and leaked it to our political enemies, in violation of federal law,”...

3. In a 2012 speech, Sen. Mitch McConnell noted, “The head of one national advocacy group has released documents which show that his group’s confidential IRS information found its way into the hands of a staunch critic on the Left who also happens to be a co-chairman of President Obama’s re-election committee. The only way this information could have been made public is if someone leaked it from inside the IRS.”
The IRS admits to 'targeting' conservative groups, but were they also 'leaking'? | The Daily Caller






5. "In April 2012, the Huffington Post and the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights group, posted IRS documents indicating GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney had given $10,000 to the anti-gay marriage group.

6. “In addition to being our principal combatant in the war on traditional marriage, [the Human Rights Campaign’s] president at the time was serving as a co-chair of President Obama’s reelection campaign,” Brown said in Tuesday’s statement. “This is a chilling set of circumstances that should ring alarm bells across the nation.”
National Organization for Marriage to sue IRS - Kevin Robillard - POLITICO.com





7. " Those NOM documents were published on the Huffington Post on March 30, 2012. At that time, Joe Solmonese, a left-wing activist and Huffington Post contributor, was the president of the Human Rights Campaign (HRC). Solmonese was also a 2012 Obama campaign co-chairman.
Both the Huffington Post's Sam Stein and HRC described the leak as coming from a “whistleblower.”

a. Solmonese resigned his position at HRC the next day and took up a position as an Obama campaign co-chair.

8. In early April 2012, NOM published documents which it said showed this leaked confidential information did not come from a “whistleblower” but “came directly from the Internal Revenue Service and was provided to NOM's political opponents, the Human Rights Campaign (HRC).”
Claim: Obama Campaign Co-Chair Attacked Romney with Leaked IRS Docs


9.IRS staffer: "Everything comes from the top. We don’t have any authority to make those decisions without someone signing off on them. There has to be a directive.
”Anonymous Cincinnati IRS official: ?Everything comes from the top.? | WashingtonExaminer.com





If suggesting the use of the IRS against political opponents was an impeachable high crime and/or misdemeanor for the Nixon presidency.....

....how can it not be so for the Obama presidency?





Can the Right borrow some of the Left's tenets: "The nature of the evidence is irrelevant*; it’s the seriousness of the charge that matters.”


Or, can we recall America from an earlier time: "in America, the law is King. For as in absolute governments the king is law, so in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other."
Common Sense, Thomas Paine.


Is this now a nation that considers, not the law, but who it is that breaks it?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You are a laughing stock. Do go on.

Have no fear: I will be giving your post all of the consideration and respect it deserves.

 

[Moonglow]

political use of IRS info only started with Oblama? How naïve.
.C'était naïf de sa part de la croire

1. I couldn't find the links and quotes you meant to provide indicating the veracity of your Obama defense.
Did I miss something....or where you simply blowing off some of that drop-draws hot air?


2. If you were able to document your post, would the argument be akin to a lawyer claiming that his bank robber client should not be charged, since bank robberies have been going on since there have been banks?

a. Logic seems not to be your strength.


Americans under Obama: "Nous sommes trahis!"

It was not a defense of Oblama, it was a statement showing the weakness of the OP trying to prove that Oblama was the only sitting president that had misuse of citizens tax records for political gaming. It is nothing new. It happened under Bush jr also. The OP shows that it has no idea of the history of the IRS and it's direction when it's leadership has a political slant and it's willingness to be chauvinistic to a political party.
I do not defend any actions, just want the facts, Ma'am

 

[poet]

Although Nixon is quoted by John Dean as fuming "Why Can't We Use the IRS against them?"...he did not do so.
Thus...article two of the articles of impeachment used the term 'endeavoured'....

"He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner."
Watergate Articles Of Impeachment





But the Chicago thug administration never stopped at 'endeavor'.....they went on to actually achieve the illegality....

The Obama team "obtained from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner."




Correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't actually committing the crime worse than suggesting it?





1. "A little over a year ago, I reported that, ”It is likely that someone at the Internal Revenue Service illegally leaked confidential donor information showing a contribution from Mitt Romney’s political action committee to the National Organization for Marriage, says the group.”

2. “There is little question that one or more employees at the IRS stole our confidential tax return and leaked it to our political enemies, in violation of federal law,”...

3. In a 2012 speech, Sen. Mitch McConnell noted, “The head of one national advocacy group has released documents which show that his group’s confidential IRS information found its way into the hands of a staunch critic on the Left who also happens to be a co-chairman of President Obama’s re-election committee. The only way this information could have been made public is if someone leaked it from inside the IRS.”
The IRS admits to 'targeting' conservative groups, but were they also 'leaking'? | The Daily Caller






5. "In April 2012, the Huffington Post and the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights group, posted IRS documents indicating GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney had given $10,000 to the anti-gay marriage group.

6. “In addition to being our principal combatant in the war on traditional marriage, [the Human Rights Campaign’s] president at the time was serving as a co-chair of President Obama’s reelection campaign,” Brown said in Tuesday’s statement. “This is a chilling set of circumstances that should ring alarm bells across the nation.”
National Organization for Marriage to sue IRS - Kevin Robillard - POLITICO.com





7. " Those NOM documents were published on the Huffington Post on March 30, 2012. At that time, Joe Solmonese, a left-wing activist and Huffington Post contributor, was the president of the Human Rights Campaign (HRC). Solmonese was also a 2012 Obama campaign co-chairman.
Both the Huffington Post's Sam Stein and HRC described the leak as coming from a “whistleblower.”

a. Solmonese resigned his position at HRC the next day and took up a position as an Obama campaign co-chair.

8. In early April 2012, NOM published documents which it said showed this leaked confidential information did not come from a “whistleblower” but “came directly from the Internal Revenue Service and was provided to NOM's political opponents, the Human Rights Campaign (HRC).”
Claim: Obama Campaign Co-Chair Attacked Romney with Leaked IRS Docs


9.IRS staffer: "Everything comes from the top. We don’t have any authority to make those decisions without someone signing off on them. There has to be a directive.
”Anonymous Cincinnati IRS official: ?Everything comes from the top.? | WashingtonExaminer.com





If suggesting the use of the IRS against political opponents was an impeachable high crime and/or misdemeanor for the Nixon presidency.....

....how can it not be so for the Obama presidency?





Can the Right borrow some of the Left's tenets: "The nature of the evidence is irrelevant*; it’s the seriousness of the charge that matters.”


Or, can we recall America from an earlier time: "in America, the law is King. For as in absolute governments the king is law, so in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other."
Common Sense, Thomas Paine.


Is this now a nation that considers, not the law, but who it is that breaks it?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You are a laughing stock. Do go on.

Have no fear: I will be giving your post all of the consideration and respect it deserves.

Oh, darling..I don't fear. I'm just remarking on your trollish OP.

 

[healthmyths]

Although Nixon is quoted by John Dean as fuming "Why Can't We Use the IRS against them?"...he did not do so.

Slight correction:
Nixon did use them to attack political enemies & Obama hasn't.

According to Dean, Colson later compiled hundreds of names on a “master list” which changed constantly. On December 20, 1973, the Congressional Joint Committee on Internal Revenue Taxation concluded that people on the "Enemies" list had not been subjected to an unusual number of tax audits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon's_Enemies_List

So if AUDITS were the ONLY issue that was involved in the IRS scandal.. per Congress what occurred was NOT a politically but routine audits!

BUT the bigger scandal is USING blatant delaying tactics...
IRS...
"Ryun submitted the paperwork to the IRS in July 2011 and eight months passed without word from the agency about the group's application, Ryun said.

When September 2012 arrived with still no word from the IRS, Ryun determined that Media Trackers would likely never obtain standalone nonprofit status, and he tried a new approach: He applied for permanent nonprofit status for a separate group called Greenhouse Solutions, a pre-existing organization that was reaching the end of its determination period.
The IRS approved Greenhouse Solutions' request for permanent nonprofit status in three weeks.

Conservative group says IRS approved nonprofit status after applying with ?liberal-sounding name?

So the key was changing from a conservative name to progressive name! I didn't think the IRS was to take sides..

Conservative 501c after 16 months stopped but progressive name... 3 weeks!

NOW why did an IRS perceived "conservative" 501c application after 16 months have to be changed to a progressive name and it passes in 3 weeks!

 

[PoliticalChic]

political use of IRS info only started with Oblama? How naïve.
.C'était naïf de sa part de la croire

1. I couldn't find the links and quotes you meant to provide indicating the veracity of your Obama defense.
Did I miss something....or where you simply blowing off some of that drop-draws hot air?


2. If you were able to document your post, would the argument be akin to a lawyer claiming that his bank robber client should not be charged, since bank robberies have been going on since there have been banks?

a. Logic seems not to be your strength.


Americans under Obama: "Nous sommes trahis!"

It was not a defense of Oblama, it was a statement showing the weakness of the OP trying to prove that Oblama was the only sitting president that had misuse of citizens tax records for political gaming. It is nothing new. It happened under Bush jr also. The OP shows that it has no idea of the history of the IRS and it's direction when it's leadership has a political slant and it's willingness to be chauvinistic to a political party.
I do not defend any actions, just want the facts, Ma'am

1. "It was not a defense of Oblama,"
That is correct.
I should have said "an inept and flaccid defense of Obama."



2. "... it was a statement showing the weakness of the OP trying to prove that Oblama was the only sitting president that had misuse of citizens tax records for political gaming."

I won't claim that the above is a dishonest attempt....let's just say feeble.
At no time did the OP claim "that Oblama was the only sitting president that had misuse of citizens tax records for political gaming."

What led you to you mistake?


3. "It is nothing new. It happened under Bush jr also."
Link or lie.

The IRS under Bush enforced regulations that prevent political action by churches.
I oppose this..and have written OP's about churches and free speech...
...but it is not parallel to the issue posed by the OP.

 

[PoliticalChic]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You are a laughing stock. Do go on.

Have no fear: I will be giving your post all of the consideration and respect it deserves.

Oh, darling..I don't fear. I'm just remarking on your trollish OP.

You're upset because you can't find any errors in the OP.

Isn't that the real truth?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Incidentally, the donation in question was public information via the state of Alabama's own official website:

http://arc-sos.state.al.us/PEL/SOSELPDF.001/E0090860.PDF.

Go to page 3.

 

[TemplarKormac]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You are a laughing stock. Do go on.

Have no fear: I will be giving your post all of the consideration and respect it deserves.

Oh, darling..I don't fear. I'm just remarking on your trollish OP.

A troll accusing someone of trolling.



I forthwith award you with the "Dumbest Comment of the Day" award.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Have no fear: I will be giving your post all of the consideration and respect it deserves.

Oh, darling..I don't fear. I'm just remarking on your trollish OP.

You're upset because you can't find any errors in the OP.

Isn't that the real truth?

There is nothing beyond unsubstantiated accusations by interested parties in the OP.

Including one gram of evidence that there is probable cause to believe that President Obama was in any way involved in any wrongdoing would be the absolute minimum requirement for impeachment,

and the OP does not clear that very very very low bar.

 

[FJO]

Although Nixon is quoted by John Dean as fuming "Why Can't We Use the IRS against them?"...he did not do so.
Thus...article two of the articles of impeachment used the term 'endeavoured'....

"He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner."
Watergate Articles Of Impeachment





But the Chicago thug administration never stopped at 'endeavor'.....they went on to actually achieve the illegality....

The Obama team "obtained from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner."




Correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't actually committing the crime worse than suggesting it?





1. "A little over a year ago, I reported that, ”It is likely that someone at the Internal Revenue Service illegally leaked confidential donor information showing a contribution from Mitt Romney’s political action committee to the National Organization for Marriage, says the group.”

2. “There is little question that one or more employees at the IRS stole our confidential tax return and leaked it to our political enemies, in violation of federal law,”...

3. In a 2012 speech, Sen. Mitch McConnell noted, “The head of one national advocacy group has released documents which show that his group’s confidential IRS information found its way into the hands of a staunch critic on the Left who also happens to be a co-chairman of President Obama’s re-election committee. The only way this information could have been made public is if someone leaked it from inside the IRS.”
The IRS admits to 'targeting' conservative groups, but were they also 'leaking'? | The Daily Caller






5. "In April 2012, the Huffington Post and the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights group, posted IRS documents indicating GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney had given $10,000 to the anti-gay marriage group.

6. “In addition to being our principal combatant in the war on traditional marriage, [the Human Rights Campaign’s] president at the time was serving as a co-chair of President Obama’s reelection campaign,” Brown said in Tuesday’s statement. “This is a chilling set of circumstances that should ring alarm bells across the nation.”
National Organization for Marriage to sue IRS - Kevin Robillard - POLITICO.com





7. " Those NOM documents were published on the Huffington Post on March 30, 2012. At that time, Joe Solmonese, a left-wing activist and Huffington Post contributor, was the president of the Human Rights Campaign (HRC). Solmonese was also a 2012 Obama campaign co-chairman.
Both the Huffington Post's Sam Stein and HRC described the leak as coming from a “whistleblower.”

a. Solmonese resigned his position at HRC the next day and took up a position as an Obama campaign co-chair.

8. In early April 2012, NOM published documents which it said showed this leaked confidential information did not come from a “whistleblower” but “came directly from the Internal Revenue Service and was provided to NOM's political opponents, the Human Rights Campaign (HRC).”
Claim: Obama Campaign Co-Chair Attacked Romney with Leaked IRS Docs


9.IRS staffer: "Everything comes from the top. We don’t have any authority to make those decisions without someone signing off on them. There has to be a directive.
”Anonymous Cincinnati IRS official: ?Everything comes from the top.? | WashingtonExaminer.com





If suggesting the use of the IRS against political opponents was an impeachable high crime and/or misdemeanor for the Nixon presidency.....

....how can it not be so for the Obama presidency?





Can the Right borrow some of the Left's tenets: "The nature of the evidence is irrelevant*; it’s the seriousness of the charge that matters.”


Or, can we recall America from an earlier time: "in America, the law is King. For as in absolute governments the king is law, so in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other."
Common Sense, Thomas Paine.


Is this now a nation that considers, not the law, but who it is that breaks it?

Another good article on the topic:

Blog: How Obama Told the IRS to Target Conservatives

 

[PoliticalChic]

Incidentally, the donation in question was public information via the state of Alabama's own official website:

http://arc-sos.state.al.us/PEL/SOSELPDF.001/E0090860.PDF.

Go to page 3.

It is federal tax data that was leaked from the IRS.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oh, darling..I don't fear. I'm just remarking on your trollish OP.

You're upset because you can't find any errors in the OP.

Isn't that the real truth?

There is nothing beyond unsubstantiated accusations by interested parties in the OP.

Including one gram of evidence that there is probable cause to believe that President Obama was in any way involved in any wrongdoing would be the absolute minimum requirement for impeachment,

and the OP does not clear that very very very low bar.

I try for consistency in my daily life...and am less than 100% successful.

In that light, your astounding consistency in incorporating either error or prevarication in your post is remarkable!




Let me be a witness to your continuing success:

1. "There is nothing beyond unsubstantiated accusations..."
From Politico: "... the Huffington Post and the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights group, posted IRS documents..."

Breitbart: "...came directly from the Internal Revenue Service and was provided to NOM's political opponents, the Human Rights Campaign (HRC).”

Daily Caller: "... someone at the Internal Revenue Service illegally leaked confidential donor information...."

Your record is intact!




2. "...evidence that there is probable cause to believe that President Obama was in any way involved..."

"... also happens to be a co-chairman of President Obama’s re-election committee."

Do you recognize the name "Obama"?


Good work.


3. As a staunch Obama partisan, I'm certain you'll want his good name cleared.....so are you calling for hearings?

 

[Sarah G]

You guys have been looking hard for someone worse than Nixon since Watergate. Unsuccessfully, I might add.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You guys have been looking hard for someone worse than Nixon since Watergate. Unsuccessfully, I might add.

See....now, once again you neglect to comment directly on the OP.

That must mean that you couldn't find any error....

...or...that you believe that a President of your choice is entitled to break the law...

Which one?



But what really hurts is your salutation "You guys..."
I am hurt to the quick.

I thought you and I were bosom buddies......(sigh...)

 

[TemplarKormac]

You guys have been looking hard for someone worse than Nixon since Watergate. Unsuccessfully, I might add.

And you have unsuccessfully refuted these allegations. Where is your proof that Obama didn't play a part in these things?

 

[NYcarbineer]

You guys have been looking hard for someone worse than Nixon since Watergate. Unsuccessfully, I might add.

And you have unsuccessfully refuted these allegations. Where is your proof that Obama didn't play a part in these things?

Where is your proof that we have converted the judicial system in this country to 'guilty until proven innocent'?

 

[poet]

Have no fear: I will be giving your post all of the consideration and respect it deserves.

Oh, darling..I don't fear. I'm just remarking on your trollish OP.

You're upset because you can't find any errors in the OP.

Isn't that the real truth?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Hunty, I simply know better than to regard anything that you post as "factual" and not part of propaganda or an agenda.
No one here is taking you seriously....you not even "blond" or "super". You're a poser. LOL

 

[NYcarbineer]

You're upset because you can't find any errors in the OP.

Isn't that the real truth?

There is nothing beyond unsubstantiated accusations by interested parties in the OP.

Including one gram of evidence that there is probable cause to believe that President Obama was in any way involved in any wrongdoing would be the absolute minimum requirement for impeachment,

and the OP does not clear that very very very low bar.

I try for consistency in my daily life...and am less than 100% successful.

In that light, your astounding consistency in incorporating either error or prevarication in your post is remarkable!




Let me be a witness to your continuing success:

1. "There is nothing beyond unsubstantiated accusations..."
From Politico: "... the Huffington Post and the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights group, posted IRS documents..."

Breitbart: "...came directly from the Internal Revenue Service and was provided to NOM's political opponents, the Human Rights Campaign (HRC).”

Daily Caller: "... someone at the Internal Revenue Service illegally leaked confidential donor information...."

Your record is intact!




2. "...evidence that there is probable cause to believe that President Obama was in any way involved..."

"... also happens to be a co-chairman of President Obama’s re-election committee."

Do you recognize the name "Obama"?


Good work.


3. As a staunch Obama partisan, I'm certain you'll want his good name cleared.....so are you calling for hearings?

You're citing accusations from anti-Obama propaganda cites, and none of them even accuse the President of anything.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Incidentally, the donation in question was public information via the state of Alabama's own official website:

http://arc-sos.state.al.us/PEL/SOSELPDF.001/E0090860.PDF.

Go to page 3.

It is federal tax data that was leaked from the IRS.

It's tax data that was already in the public domain. How can you claim an expectation of privacy for tax information that you were already required by state law to make public?

 

[Bfgrn]

"Get the word out, down to the IRS that I want them to conduct field audits on those who are our opponents"
President Richard Milhouse Nixon