Obama needs to be tried for war crimes

[TheGreatGatsby]

Saddam moved the WMDs to Syria now thats a first.. did you come up with that all by yourself? I surely would like to see some proof of that. Can you back up your statement simpleton?

Conservatives and liberals are both stupid if they think that Clinton, Bush, Obama all aren't/didn't lie or embellish about some major items in regards to a lot of things, including war. I mean, you guys can get in the mud about that all you want. But my point is that liberals wanted to throw the book at Bush and give Obama a kiss on the lips for virtually the same executions in regards to war.

I have yet to see how you have proved Obama and Bush have committed the same offenses when it comes to war. Please cite a source that shows any war Obama started. Legitimate or not. Bush had 1 war that was justified (Afghanistan), and 1 that wasn't (Iraq). Please list wars Obama has started. And do not cite drone attacks and random CIA or Spec Ops operations, because every single one of our presidents have indulged in said activities. I am talking about wars.

Are you fucking retarded? The Iraq War was legal. It was approved by Congress. Just b/c you don't like it, doesn't make it illegal. Geez, for a guy who doesn't claim to be liberal, you're arguing like one.

Now then, Obama in the theater of operations has done everything that Bush did and that's my point.

 

[Lakhota]

Bush destabilized the Middle East - so Obama couldn't just walk away without some measure of closure.

Had Bush killed Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora when he had the chance maybe things would be different.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Bush destabilized the Middle East - so Obama couldn't just walk away without some measure of closure.

Had Bush killed Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora when he had the chance maybe things would be different.

Thanks Goebbels. I'm convinced that you don't believe a word you say.

 

[Freewill]

No it is not. Obama has not executed the same wars as Bush. How could you say that? What sovereign nation did Obama invade based on lies? I think the reason that people were/are calling for Bush's head is because he based an entire war on a lie. Iraq did not have WMDs. Iraq had no ties to Al-Qaeda, and were not funding them, and letting them use Iraq to train fighters. Iraq was not seeking to make nuclear weapons either. So sense all of Bush's reasons for going to war were illegitimate, that subsequently made his invasion illegitimate. And since his illegitimate war caused hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, people wanted/want his head.

I personally feel he (Bush) should have to face consequences of his actions. He lied to the entire world, to start a war with a sovereign nation, which costs thousands of lives, and billions of dollars. And he just gets to walk away like a smooth criminal, after he and all his Halliburton buddies got rich from the "reconstruction" projects in Iraq. That is fuckin bullshit if you ask me. And it has not a goddamn thing to do with him being a republican, and everything to do with him being a piece of shit.

You dumb fucker, Bush invaded Iraq based on the same information Clinton used to do the same thing. The only reason Clinton didn't attack Iraq was because he failed to get political support for it. It wasn't based on a lie, because Saddam moved the WMD's to Syria. If Saddam never had WMD's, wtf did he use on the Iranians and the Kurds??? You speak from a position of ignorance.

Saddam moved the WMDs to Syria now thats a first.. did you come up with that all by yourself? I surely would like to see some proof of that. Can you back up your statement simpleton?

Look I can understand opposition to war, I oppose it myself but there are prominent Democrats that ALL said that Saddam was a threat and had WMD. That is fact and I doubt seriously you can dispute it. Sure you will say that they only believed what Bush told them. That too has been shown to be a lie. Besides the FACT that Hillary was married to Bill and he presided over most of Saddam's barbaric actions.

What we know is that he had weapons of mass destruction because he used them.

We know he was an eco-terrorist because he blew the well heads when he left Kuwait.

We all know of his treatment of his Kurds and the use of chemical agents.

We know how he conducted the war with Iran.

Here is a statement from the linked article:

For the first few years, Iraqi officials failed to disclose much of their special weapons programs to the inspectors. In 1995, Saddam Hussein's son-in-law Kamel Hussein defected. He had been in charge of the bioweapons program and revealed to UNSCOM that there was a vast arsenal of weapons they had failed to uncover, including biological weapons, and described how the Iraqis were hiding them. This was a breakthrough for the inspection teams, and they continued their work until 1998, when Iraq blocked further access and expelled UNSCOM.


and this: Nuclear physicist and Iraqi defector Khidhir Hamza agrees. He told FRONTLINE that Iraq did not relinquish certain critical components of the nuclear program to the inspectors, and that it retains the expertise necessary to build a nuclear weapon. He believes that Iraq may have one completed within the next couple of years.

Note: IAEA was allowed back into Iraq in January 2000 and again in January 2001. But its inspectors were blocked from full access inspections.
Saddam Hussein's Weapons Of Mass Destruction | Gunning For Saddam | FRONTLINE | PBS

So there is no question that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. There is no question that we found weapons of mass destruction. Those who oppose the war can do so for many reasons. Such as humanitarian and economic. But to keep repeating the same lie over and over again is just plain disingenuous. People are tired of the lying.

Now, how the liberal left can defend what Obama is doing with drones by trying to say Bush is a bigger criminal just makes no sense to me and I am not sure it would to the relatives of the 16 year old American. who in no way was a terrorist, that was killed under the program. Or the other innocents killed in the blast zone of many other strikes. Or those killed by being incorrectly targeted by a GPS device put there by a political enemy or someone trying to earn the 5000 dollar reward. The only defense is that every brown skinned person in the middle east is a legitimate target. That is a really dangerous road to travel. At least with Saddam everyone in the region was happy to see him and his sons gone.

 

[Freewill]

Bush destabilized the Middle East - so Obama couldn't just walk away without some measure of closure.

Had Bush killed Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora when he had the chance maybe things would be different.

Thanks Goebbels. I'm convinced that you don't believe a word you say.

Oh I am sure she believes it because she has to believe it. Never mind that the Arab spring that actually did destabilize the region happen because of Obama and on his watch.

The liberal left has degenerated into nothing more then "story" tellers. All to defend their president killing 16 year old American boys while they eat dinner. Or defending the abandonment of our men at Benghazi. Considering those two events I guess all they got is lies to defend the incompetence of Hillary and Obama.

 

[007]

Obama just killed eleven children. He needs to be tried for war crimes.

BBC News - Afghan children 'killed by Nato air strike in Shigal'

He also needs to be tried for...

1). Forged certificate of birth

2). Forged selective service card

3). Stolen social security number

4). Being elected president with dual citizenship as his father was British

He's a fraud, a usurper, a socialist and a hater of America and the constitution.

 

[poet]

Obama just killed eleven children. He needs to be tried for war crimes.

BBC News - Afghan children 'killed by Nato air strike in Shigal'

He also needs to be tried for...

1). Forged certificate of birth

2). Forged selective service card

3). Stolen social security number

4). Being elected president with dual citizenship as his father was British

He's a fraud, a usurper, a socialist and a hater of America and the constitution.

Lies and sissy chatter. Where is the evidence for your ridiculous claims?

 

[Old Rocks]

Obama just killed eleven children. He needs to be tried for war crimes.

BBC News - Afghan children 'killed by Nato air strike in Shigal'

Hey buddy, you lost that election. And you are going to lose a lot more. Fruitloops tend to turn people off.

 

[poet]

Conservatives and liberals are both stupid if they think that Clinton, Bush, Obama all aren't/didn't lie or embellish about some major items in regards to a lot of things, including war. I mean, you guys can get in the mud about that all you want. But my point is that liberals wanted to throw the book at Bush and give Obama a kiss on the lips for virtually the same executions in regards to war.

I have yet to see how you have proved Obama and Bush have committed the same offenses when it comes to war. Please cite a source that shows any war Obama started. Legitimate or not. Bush had 1 war that was justified (Afghanistan), and 1 that wasn't (Iraq). Please list wars Obama has started. And do not cite drone attacks and random CIA or Spec Ops operations, because every single one of our presidents have indulged in said activities. I am talking about wars.

Are you fucking retarded? The Iraq War was legal. It was approved by Congress. Just b/c you don't like it, doesn't make it illegal. Geez, for a guy who doesn't claim to be liberal, you're arguing like one.

Now then, Obama in the theater of operations has done everything that Bush did and that's my point.

It was not legal, because it was based on lies. And President Obama is forced to draw down, intelligently, and in tandem with the Pentagon brass. Duh.

 

[Old Rocks]

Obama just killed eleven children. He needs to be tried for war crimes.

BBC News - Afghan children 'killed by Nato air strike in Shigal'

He also needs to be tried for...

1). Forged certificate of birth

2). Forged selective service card

3). Stolen social security number

4). Being elected president with dual citizenship as his father was British

He's a fraud, a usurper, a socialist and a hater of America and the constitution.

Oh where is my little tin hat, little tin hat, little tin hat..........................

 

[Freewill]

Obama just killed eleven children. He needs to be tried for war crimes.

BBC News - Afghan children 'killed by Nato air strike in Shigal'

Hey buddy, you lost that election. And you are going to lose a lot more. Fruitloops tend to turn people off.

You are probably right, America does seem to be getting stupidier.

Here is a list of children killed by drone strikes. To listen to the Obama administration it was only because of poor parental responsibility.

List of children killed by drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen | Drones Watch

 

[Freewill]

I have yet to see how you have proved Obama and Bush have committed the same offenses when it comes to war. Please cite a source that shows any war Obama started. Legitimate or not. Bush had 1 war that was justified (Afghanistan), and 1 that wasn't (Iraq). Please list wars Obama has started. And do not cite drone attacks and random CIA or Spec Ops operations, because every single one of our presidents have indulged in said activities. I am talking about wars.

Are you fucking retarded? The Iraq War was legal. It was approved by Congress. Just b/c you don't like it, doesn't make it illegal. Geez, for a guy who doesn't claim to be liberal, you're arguing like one.

Now then, Obama in the theater of operations has done everything that Bush did and that's my point.

It was not legal, because it was based on lies. And President Obama is forced to draw down, intelligently, and in tandem with the Pentagon brass. Duh.

You don't really like the truth much do you? Of course you supporting a party that enslaved black grandparents doesn't make a whole lot of sense either. Jim Crow, poll taxes, the KKK, segregation, "they'll put y'all back in chains" rant, etc etc doesn't bother you yet you keep repeating this same lie.

Not being a Republican I can understand considering all the lies you have been told since LBJ said the following:

“I’ll have those ******* voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” —Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One -

“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”—LBJ

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/40889

Not a Republican, ok believe the lies, but the truth about the democrat party should make a black man's head spin, if they really cared. Not telling you what you should believe but what you apparently do believe makes no sense.

 

[Freewill]

I have yet to see how you have proved Obama and Bush have committed the same offenses when it comes to war. Please cite a source that shows any war Obama started. Legitimate or not. Bush had 1 war that was justified (Afghanistan), and 1 that wasn't (Iraq). Please list wars Obama has started. And do not cite drone attacks and random CIA or Spec Ops operations, because every single one of our presidents have indulged in said activities. I am talking about wars.

Are you fucking retarded? The Iraq War was legal. It was approved by Congress. Just b/c you don't like it, doesn't make it illegal. Geez, for a guy who doesn't claim to be liberal, you're arguing like one.

Now then, Obama in the theater of operations has done everything that Bush did and that's my point.

It was not legal, because it was based on lies. And President Obama is forced to draw down, intelligently, and in tandem with the Pentagon brass. Duh.

BTW, the draw down was on the timetable set by Bush.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

and the media had a fit over McCain "bom bom, bom Iran.

our peace prize lariat surely wouldn't bomb innocent children

First, he didn't ask for the Peace Prize. Second, the prize was awarded more out of relief than anything else, relief that the world was finally through with the war mongering Bush. And, indeed, Obama has not invaded any countries or started any wars; in fact, he was gotten the US out of Iraq and is getting close to getting us out of Afghanistan.

Obama has warrred in Afghanistan for four years whether he started it or not. And have you heard of a little thing called, Libya?

He created a disaster in Libya, Egypt and now he's working on Syria. The Russians and Chinese haven't said much about it but clearly Syria is Irans closest ally and they are probably behind this latest development with North Korea threatening to nuke the USA. Add to that his wild rhetoric concerning NK and he obviously hasn't a clue what he is doing. He's going to be remembered as the president who was the cause of America being hit with nuclear weapons. I don't believe NK will hit us. I believe the Russians will when we end up getting dragged into a war with China. Thanks to Obama. Anyone who had any fears about this guy being the anti christ can forget it now. The anti christ will be known as charasmatic, a uniter, a man of peace who can get a peace treaty in the first meeting. Unparalleled diplomacy - abilities - this does not describe Obama. Half the country cannot stand him and the other half is beginning to wonder. The world is laughing at the idea of this guy uniting anything much less bring peace after creating more upheaval in the middle east than any other president in recent history. Man of war? Yes. Man of peace? ....not a chance.

 

[SuMar]

NATO is not Obama. Regardless, Bush and Cheney first...

So what's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander...Such a hypocrite..

 

[Freewill]

I love how half of the people here did not even read the article. A majority of you all want Obama's head on a pike because of this, but I think you missed the biggest point of the story. It clearly said in the article that it was a massive US and Afghan operation to hit some HV Taliban fighters and a weapons cache. The article then goes on to say that it was the Afghan Security Forces that called in the air strike that killed the civilians. Am I the only one that read that? Moreover, the Taliban and the like have declared "war" on America, as we have likewise declared a "war on terror." Since both sides have stated that they are at war with each other, this is exactly what happens: innocent people die. It is an inescapable factor of war, which is what makes it such a travesty. But only the dead have seen the end of war.

Let's assume all of that is true. Has Obama not executed the same wars that liberals condemned? Has Obama not used military strikes that killed civilians? I'm not calling for Obama's head on a pike. I'm pointing out that liberals did use these happenings as a reason to call for Bush's head. Now, you're silent. That's not courage. That's no fortitude. That's not righteous indignation. That's cowardice.

No it is not. Obama has not executed the same wars as Bush. How could you say that? What sovereign nation did Obama invade based on lies? I think the reason that people were/are calling for Bush's head is because he based an entire war on a lie. Iraq did not have WMDs. Iraq had no ties to Al-Qaeda, and were not funding them, and letting them use Iraq to train fighters. Iraq was not seeking to make nuclear weapons either. So sense all of Bush's reasons for going to war were illegitimate, that subsequently made his invasion illegitimate. And since his illegitimate war caused hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, people wanted/want his head.

I personally feel he (Bush) should have to face consequences of his actions. He lied to the entire world, to start a war with a sovereign nation, which costs thousands of lives, and billions of dollars. And he just gets to walk away like a smooth criminal, after he and all his Halliburton buddies got rich from the "reconstruction" projects in Iraq. That is fuckin bullshit if you ask me. And it has not a goddamn thing to do with him being a republican, and everything to do with him being a piece of shit.

You and your ilk are the one lying to the world. This BS is getting so old it ain't worth arguing about. No matter how many times you are shown the truth you ain't gonna change. The reason is that you need to distract from Obama killing 16 year old Americans. Obama had a surge in Afghanistan, does that too make him a war criminal?

 

[WethePeopleUS]

Conservatives and liberals are both stupid if they think that Clinton, Bush, Obama all aren't/didn't lie or embellish about some major items in regards to a lot of things, including war. I mean, you guys can get in the mud about that all you want. But my point is that liberals wanted to throw the book at Bush and give Obama a kiss on the lips for virtually the same executions in regards to war.

I have yet to see how you have proved Obama and Bush have committed the same offenses when it comes to war. Please cite a source that shows any war Obama started. Legitimate or not. Bush had 1 war that was justified (Afghanistan), and 1 that wasn't (Iraq). Please list wars Obama has started. And do not cite drone attacks and random CIA or Spec Ops operations, because every single one of our presidents have indulged in said activities. I am talking about wars.

Are you fucking retarded? The Iraq War was legal. It was approved by Congress. Just b/c you don't like it, doesn't make it illegal. Geez, for a guy who doesn't claim to be liberal, you're arguing like one.

Now then, Obama in the theater of operations has done everything that Bush did and that's my point.

If me arguing the truth, sounds to you like a liberal then I am sorry. Furthermore, just because Congress gave the thumbs up to go to war, does not make it "legal." Congress could approve tomorrow for the US to nuke Brazil, and take them off the map. Does that make it legal? My point is, when you falsify documents, base your connection between Saddam and Al-Qaeda on detainees confessions obtained under duress, and go on old and unreliable information from Iraqis who have been in exile for 10+ years, that is not legal. 2 semesters ago I had to do a term paper on the legality of the Iraq war, and I uncovered some very disturbing info. Like the detainee that said Saddam was linked to Al-Qaeda came out after he was released, and said that the CIA was torturing him, and kept asking him about the ties. Finally after enough torturing and the CIA not listening to what he was saying, he told them that there was a connection. That statement was later made into an "official CIA Intel Document" and used as one of the basis of the war. I am simply arguing what I learned.

And I understand what your original point is, but I think it is because of the severity of Bush's mistakes vs. Obamas which is why more favor the formers head rather than the latter.

 

[WethePeopleUS]

You dumb fucker, Bush invaded Iraq based on the same information Clinton used to do the same thing. The only reason Clinton didn't attack Iraq was because he failed to get political support for it. It wasn't based on a lie, because Saddam moved the WMD's to Syria. If Saddam never had WMD's, wtf did he use on the Iranians and the Kurds??? You speak from a position of ignorance.

Saddam moved the WMDs to Syria now thats a first.. did you come up with that all by yourself? I surely would like to see some proof of that. Can you back up your statement simpleton?

Look I can understand opposition to war, I oppose it myself but there are prominent Democrats that ALL said that Saddam was a threat and had WMD. That is fact and I doubt seriously you can dispute it. Sure you will say that they only believed what Bush told them. That too has been shown to be a lie. Besides the FACT that Hillary was married to Bill and he presided over most of Saddam's barbaric actions.

What we know is that he had weapons of mass destruction because he used them.

We know he was an eco-terrorist because he blew the well heads when he left Kuwait.

We all know of his treatment of his Kurds and the use of chemical agents.

We know how he conducted the war with Iran.

Here is a statement from the linked article:

For the first few years, Iraqi officials failed to disclose much of their special weapons programs to the inspectors. In 1995, Saddam Hussein's son-in-law Kamel Hussein defected. He had been in charge of the bioweapons program and revealed to UNSCOM that there was a vast arsenal of weapons they had failed to uncover, including biological weapons, and described how the Iraqis were hiding them. This was a breakthrough for the inspection teams, and they continued their work until 1998, when Iraq blocked further access and expelled UNSCOM.


and this: Nuclear physicist and Iraqi defector Khidhir Hamza agrees. He told FRONTLINE that Iraq did not relinquish certain critical components of the nuclear program to the inspectors, and that it retains the expertise necessary to build a nuclear weapon. He believes that Iraq may have one completed within the next couple of years.

Note: IAEA was allowed back into Iraq in January 2000 and again in January 2001. But its inspectors were blocked from full access inspections.
Saddam Hussein's Weapons Of Mass Destruction | Gunning For Saddam | FRONTLINE | PBS

So there is no question that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. There is no question that we found weapons of mass destruction. Those who oppose the war can do so for many reasons. Such as humanitarian and economic. But to keep repeating the same lie over and over again is just plain disingenuous. People are tired of the lying.

Now, how the liberal left can defend what Obama is doing with drones by trying to say Bush is a bigger criminal just makes no sense to me and I am not sure it would to the relatives of the 16 year old American. who in no way was a terrorist, that was killed under the program. Or the other innocents killed in the blast zone of many other strikes. Or those killed by being incorrectly targeted by a GPS device put there by a political enemy or someone trying to earn the 5000 dollar reward. The only defense is that every brown skinned person in the middle east is a legitimate target. That is a really dangerous road to travel. At least with Saddam everyone in the region was happy to see him and his sons gone.

First of all, I am not denying that Iraq once possessed WMD, because he used them on the Kurds in the north. However, his "arsenal" was either depleted, sold, or destroyed. Now, please show me a link to a report that shows a lot of activity (that could be of size equated to moving said weapons) before our invasion. And do not act like we were not watching that country 24/7. If you think we weren't then this conversation is over. We had satellites taking pictures of Iraq constantly, because we were scared they had "mobile chemical/biological weapon labs." So please show a link of them moving the weapons out. If you cannot do so (which I know you won't), then where were the weapons when we invaded? Because there were NO stockpiles of weapons when we entered that country. So your argument has failed. They did not possess the weapons Bush and his administration claimed they did.

 

[WethePeopleUS]

Let's assume all of that is true. Has Obama not executed the same wars that liberals condemned? Has Obama not used military strikes that killed civilians? I'm not calling for Obama's head on a pike. I'm pointing out that liberals did use these happenings as a reason to call for Bush's head. Now, you're silent. That's not courage. That's no fortitude. That's not righteous indignation. That's cowardice.

No it is not. Obama has not executed the same wars as Bush. How could you say that? What sovereign nation did Obama invade based on lies? I think the reason that people were/are calling for Bush's head is because he based an entire war on a lie. Iraq did not have WMDs. Iraq had no ties to Al-Qaeda, and were not funding them, and letting them use Iraq to train fighters. Iraq was not seeking to make nuclear weapons either. So sense all of Bush's reasons for going to war were illegitimate, that subsequently made his invasion illegitimate. And since his illegitimate war caused hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, people wanted/want his head.

I personally feel he (Bush) should have to face consequences of his actions. He lied to the entire world, to start a war with a sovereign nation, which costs thousands of lives, and billions of dollars. And he just gets to walk away like a smooth criminal, after he and all his Halliburton buddies got rich from the "reconstruction" projects in Iraq. That is fuckin bullshit if you ask me. And it has not a goddamn thing to do with him being a republican, and everything to do with him being a piece of shit.

You and your ilk are the one lying to the world. This BS is getting so old it ain't worth arguing about. No matter how many times you are shown the truth you ain't gonna change. The reason is that you need to distract from Obama killing 16 year old Americans. Obama had a surge in Afghanistan, does that too make him a war criminal?

Yea, I lie. All of my arguments have been lies, and I have fabricated the websites and created bogus stories to support my crazy conspiracy theories. You got it!

 

[Political Junky]

What about Pinochet, too late now, but there's still Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Kissinger.

BBC News | UK | Thatcher stands by Pinochet