Obama owes Bush a big apology

[Amelia]

I'm not against NSA monitoring. I'm against Obama's hypocrisy about it.

Laugh it up.

Obama called what Bush did horrible, and then he did it himself.

 

[francoHFW]

...with new congressional/judicial oversight. This "scandal" is Pub/hater dupe/idiot hacker bs.

 

[rdean]

From calling Bush unpatriotic in reference to the debt, to acting like Bush's surveillance was heinous and as president he, Obama, would never do such a thing as collect the phone records of millions .... Obama owes a Bush a big apology.

Bush owes the nation an apology for leaving Obama with trillions in debt, a shattered economy, thousands of Americans dead, tens of thousands maimed for life and two unpaid for wars.

You know that with tens of thousands of Americans maimed from Iraq, Republicans are going to try to block them from getting any help. Tom Coburn has already started that. Republicans will say, "But you enlisted. It's your fault you couldn't keep from getting injured. Why should we have to pay for your stupidity?" You can see it coming.

 

[Borillar]

From calling Bush unpatriotic in reference to the debt, to acting like Bush's surveillance was heinous and as president he, Obama, would never do such a thing as collect the phone records of millions .... Obama owes a Bush a big apology.

Bush's surveillance state was heinous. So is Obama's. Obama doesn't owe Bush an apology, but he sure owes one to the American people.

 

[daveman]

Does Bush owe over 100K people of Iraq an apology? You know, for slaughtering them over nothing?

How about the people of New York and Washington? You know, for letting a bunch of idiots successfully pull off a hare brained scheme to massacre over 3000 of them?

Or how about the people of Louisiana? For letting them languish in flood waters and killing over 1500 of them?

Or how about the people of America? When he let wall street run amok and fleece the nation of trillions?

Any of those folks owed an apology?

I consider you a friend, Sallow... and, while I may agree with you about a few of the things you mentioned...

I gotta say that blaming Bush for the Katrina deaths simply shows that, when it comes to certain things, you're still one incredibly dumb-ass motherfucker...

Dude.

Doctors were putting their patients to sleep.

Or did you forget that?

Probably wouldn't have happened if Democrats weren't corrupt and short-sighted:

Deadly Environmentalists by Walter E. Williams on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent

In the wake of Hurricane Betsy, which struck New Orleans in 1965, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed building flood gates on Lake Pontchartrain, like those in the Netherlands that protect cities from North Sea storms. In 1977, the gates were about to be built, but the Environmental Defense Fund and Save Our Wetlands sought a court injunction to block the project.

According to John Berlau's recent book, "Eco-Freaks: Environmentalism is Hazardous to Your Health," U.S. Attorney Gerald Gallinghouse told the court that not building the gates could kill thousands of New Orleanians. Judge Charles Schwartz issued the injunction despite the evidence refuting claims of environmental damage.​

Money Flowed to Questionable Projects

In Katrina's wake, Louisiana politicians and other critics have complained about paltry funding for the Army Corps in general and Louisiana projects in particular. But over the five years of President Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more money for Corps civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9 billion; California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion, even though its population is more than seven times as large.

Much of that Louisiana money was spent to try to keep low-lying New Orleans dry. But hundreds of millions of dollars have gone to unrelated water projects demanded by the state's congressional delegation and approved by the Corps, often after economic analyses that turned out to be inaccurate. Despite a series of independent investigations criticizing Army Corps construction projects as wasteful pork-barrel spending, Louisiana's representatives have kept bringing home the bacon.

For example, after a $194 million deepening project for the Port of Iberia flunked a Corps cost-benefit analysis, Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) tucked language into an emergency Iraq spending bill ordering the agency to redo its calculations. The Corps also spends tens of millions of dollars a year dredging little-used waterways such as the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet, the Atchafalaya River and the Red River -- now known as the J. Bennett Johnston Waterway, in honor of the project's congressional godfather -- for barge traffic that is less than forecast.​

Democrats are in large part responsible for what happened in New Orleans. This is undeniable -- by rational people.

 

[rdean]

I consider you a friend, Sallow... and, while I may agree with you about a few of the things you mentioned...

I gotta say that blaming Bush for the Katrina deaths simply shows that, when it comes to certain things, you're still one incredibly dumb-ass motherfucker...

Dude.

Doctors were putting their patients to sleep.

Or did you forget that?

Probably wouldn't have happened if Democrats weren't corrupt and short-sighted:

Deadly Environmentalists by Walter E. Williams on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent

In the wake of Hurricane Betsy, which struck New Orleans in 1965, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed building flood gates on Lake Pontchartrain, like those in the Netherlands that protect cities from North Sea storms. In 1977, the gates were about to be built, but the Environmental Defense Fund and Save Our Wetlands sought a court injunction to block the project.

According to John Berlau's recent book, "Eco-Freaks: Environmentalism is Hazardous to Your Health," U.S. Attorney Gerald Gallinghouse told the court that not building the gates could kill thousands of New Orleanians. Judge Charles Schwartz issued the injunction despite the evidence refuting claims of environmental damage.​

Money Flowed to Questionable Projects

In Katrina's wake, Louisiana politicians and other critics have complained about paltry funding for the Army Corps in general and Louisiana projects in particular. But over the five years of President Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more money for Corps civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9 billion; California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion, even though its population is more than seven times as large.

Much of that Louisiana money was spent to try to keep low-lying New Orleans dry. But hundreds of millions of dollars have gone to unrelated water projects demanded by the state's congressional delegation and approved by the Corps, often after economic analyses that turned out to be inaccurate. Despite a series of independent investigations criticizing Army Corps construction projects as wasteful pork-barrel spending, Louisiana's representatives have kept bringing home the bacon.

For example, after a $194 million deepening project for the Port of Iberia flunked a Corps cost-benefit analysis, Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) tucked language into an emergency Iraq spending bill ordering the agency to redo its calculations. The Corps also spends tens of millions of dollars a year dredging little-used waterways such as the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet, the Atchafalaya River and the Red River -- now known as the J. Bennett Johnston Waterway, in honor of the project's congressional godfather -- for barge traffic that is less than forecast.​

Democrats are in large part responsible for what happened in New Orleans. This is undeniable -- by rational people.

Oh please. You can't even get Republicans to fix falling bridges. They think infrastructure is a waste of money. The even cut education. And remember, Republicans controlled both houses and were able to use reconciliation THREE times. What did they use it on?

 

[clevergirl]

Among other things since becoming president, Barack Obama has:

1. Charged seven government officials with espionage -- all other presidents combined have charged three.
2. Supported the PRISM massive NSA spying program.
3. 20,000 Airstrikes in the President's First Term Cause Death and Destruction From Iraq to Somalia.
4. Signed the NDAA into law - making it legal to assassinate Americans w/o charge or trial.
5. Initiated, and personally oversees a 'Secret Kill List'.
6. Waged war on Libya without congressional approval.
7. Started a covert, drone war in Yemen.
8. Escalated the proxy war in Somalia.
9. Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan.
10. Maintained a presence in Iraq even after "ending" the war.
11. Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan.
12. Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia.
13. Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries.
14. Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia.
15. Opened a military base in Chile.
16. Touted nuclear power, even after the disaster in Japan.
17. Opened up deepwater oil drilling, even after the BP disaster.
18. Did a TV commercial promoting "clean coal".
19. Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports.
20. Signed the Patriot Act extension into law.
21. Deported a modern-record 1.5 million immigrants.
22. Continued Bush's rendition program.
23. Signed the Monsanto Protection Act into law.

St. Pete for Peace

 

[Londoner]

Agreed, Obama is a 3rd term of Bush.

Yes, he is paying down the Bush debt, despite Republican lies. The deficit is shrinking like it did under Clinton

BUT... Obama lacks the political courage to unwind the Bush Surveillance State. I remember when he talked about adding more oversight to NSA wiretapping in 2009. The next day Dick Chaney and Rush Limaugh went crazy, calling him a Muslim sympathizer, weak on terror. Obama caved in.

Every president says they're going to change Washington, but then . . . Washington ends up changing him.

Every president claims that they are going to spend less, fight special interests, end bad wars and solve the problems of the prior administration.

I remember when Reagan said he was going to cut spending, reduce the deficit and cut the federal workforce. He did none of this. He tripled Carter's debt and nearly doubled the federal workforce. We never got an apology. Which is weird because Republicans claim not to be big spenders.

 

[clevergirl]

You know you're a liberal apologist for Obama...when years later all you can say is "Bush's fault....and Reagan's too", just for good measure~

 

[JoeBlam]

I agree except that Bush was much crappier. I just writhed in anger when it came to politics for at least 6 years of his presidency.

you writhed?

 

[velvtacheeze]

From calling Bush unpatriotic in reference to the debt, to acting like Bush's surveillance was heinous and as president he, Obama, would never do such a thing as collect the phone records of millions .... Obama owes a Bush a big apology.

Bush and the GOP owe America an apology for leaving the country worse off then when they took power.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I honestly think we're doomed as Obama is going to take away our electricy. He's going to stop everyone from heating ours homes, driving our cars and playing on our computers. People are going to go nuts as the economy of our country shuts down....We're going to kill each other and slice each other up. This is going to spread around the world and all the nuclear bombs are going to launch.

It's all over.

 

[Sallow]

Among other things since becoming president, Barack Obama has:

1. Charged seven government officials with espionage -- all other presidents combined have charged three.
2. Supported the PRISM massive NSA spying program.
3. 20,000 Airstrikes in the President's First Term Cause Death and Destruction From Iraq to Somalia.
4. Signed the NDAA into law - making it legal to assassinate Americans w/o charge or trial.
5. Initiated, and personally oversees a 'Secret Kill List'.
6. Waged war on Libya without congressional approval.
7. Started a covert, drone war in Yemen.
8. Escalated the proxy war in Somalia.
9. Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan.
10. Maintained a presence in Iraq even after "ending" the war.
11. Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan.
12. Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia.
13. Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries.
14. Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia.
15. Opened a military base in Chile.
16. Touted nuclear power, even after the disaster in Japan.
17. Opened up deepwater oil drilling, even after the BP disaster.
18. Did a TV commercial promoting "clean coal".
19. Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports.
20. Signed the Patriot Act extension into law.
21. Deported a modern-record 1.5 million immigrants.
22. Continued Bush's rendition program.
23. Signed the Monsanto Protection Act into law.

St. Pete for Peace

Which kinda squashes your "ultra left wing socialist" theory rather nicely.

 

[daveman]

Dude.

Doctors were putting their patients to sleep.

Or did you forget that?

Probably wouldn't have happened if Democrats weren't corrupt and short-sighted:

Deadly Environmentalists by Walter E. Williams on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent

In the wake of Hurricane Betsy, which struck New Orleans in 1965, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed building flood gates on Lake Pontchartrain, like those in the Netherlands that protect cities from North Sea storms. In 1977, the gates were about to be built, but the Environmental Defense Fund and Save Our Wetlands sought a court injunction to block the project.

According to John Berlau's recent book, "Eco-Freaks: Environmentalism is Hazardous to Your Health," U.S. Attorney Gerald Gallinghouse told the court that not building the gates could kill thousands of New Orleanians. Judge Charles Schwartz issued the injunction despite the evidence refuting claims of environmental damage.​

Money Flowed to Questionable Projects

In Katrina's wake, Louisiana politicians and other critics have complained about paltry funding for the Army Corps in general and Louisiana projects in particular. But over the five years of President Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more money for Corps civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9 billion; California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion, even though its population is more than seven times as large.

Much of that Louisiana money was spent to try to keep low-lying New Orleans dry. But hundreds of millions of dollars have gone to unrelated water projects demanded by the state's congressional delegation and approved by the Corps, often after economic analyses that turned out to be inaccurate. Despite a series of independent investigations criticizing Army Corps construction projects as wasteful pork-barrel spending, Louisiana's representatives have kept bringing home the bacon.

For example, after a $194 million deepening project for the Port of Iberia flunked a Corps cost-benefit analysis, Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) tucked language into an emergency Iraq spending bill ordering the agency to redo its calculations. The Corps also spends tens of millions of dollars a year dredging little-used waterways such as the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet, the Atchafalaya River and the Red River -- now known as the J. Bennett Johnston Waterway, in honor of the project's congressional godfather -- for barge traffic that is less than forecast.​

Democrats are in large part responsible for what happened in New Orleans. This is undeniable -- by rational people.

Oh please. You can't even get Republicans to fix falling bridges. They think infrastructure is a waste of money. The even cut education. And remember, Republicans controlled both houses and were able to use reconciliation THREE times. What did they use it on?

Typical derp. When confronted with irrefutable evidence of Democrat corruption and incompetence -- he blames Republicans.

You're dismissed.

 

[Sallow]

I'm not against NSA monitoring. I'm against Obama's hypocrisy about it.

Laugh it up.

Obama called what Bush did horrible, and then he did it himself.

I am laughing it up.

Because you folks have no trouble with the policy.

Only the person using it.

That's going to marginalize you guys even further.

 

[rdean]

Among other things since becoming president, Barack Obama has:

1. Charged seven government officials with espionage -- all other presidents combined have charged three.
2. Supported the PRISM massive NSA spying program.
3. 20,000 Airstrikes in the President's First Term Cause Death and Destruction From Iraq to Somalia.
4. Signed the NDAA into law - making it legal to assassinate Americans w/o charge or trial.
5. Initiated, and personally oversees a 'Secret Kill List'.
6. Waged war on Libya without congressional approval.
7. Started a covert, drone war in Yemen.
8. Escalated the proxy war in Somalia.
9. Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan.
10. Maintained a presence in Iraq even after "ending" the war.
11. Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan.
12. Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia.
13. Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries.
14. Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia.
15. Opened a military base in Chile.
16. Touted nuclear power, even after the disaster in Japan.
17. Opened up deepwater oil drilling, even after the BP disaster.
18. Did a TV commercial promoting "clean coal".
19. Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports.
20. Signed the Patriot Act extension into law.
21. Deported a modern-record 1.5 million immigrants.
22. Continued Bush's rendition program.
23. Signed the Monsanto Protection Act into law.

St. Pete for Peace

Look at the "about" from this organization:

What do we stand for?
We are opposed to the U.S. occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq, and to U.S. drone strikes in Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Pakistan, believing such actions create enemies.

We believe in economic justice for the homeless/poor/working class, equal rights for LGBT, and that immigrants are not 'illegal'.

We stand against Israel's military occupation of Palestine, which we believe is a crime.

We also speak out against patriarchy, police and state repression, and stand in solidarity with peaceful, non-violent revolutions in Tunisia, Yemen and Bahrain.

This organization is a right wing nightmare.

 

[Franticfrank]

Both presidents weren't great but in my opinion, Bush was much worse. He inherited an economy in good shape after Clinton stepped down and he ran it into the ground. Obama's just trying to clean up the mess, a difficult task for anybody. Bush shouldn't have gone into Iraq and look how much that cost in brave Americans, innocent Iraqis and money. Surveys show that middle class Americans place the blame more on Bush than Obama for their problems.

 

[gipper]

Both presidents weren't great but in my opinion, Bush was much worse. He inherited an economy in good shape after Clinton stepped down and he ran it into the ground. Obama's just trying to clean up the mess, a difficult task for anybody. Bush shouldn't have gone into Iraq and look how much that cost in brave Americans, innocent Iraqis and money. Surveys show that middle class Americans place the blame more on Bush than Obama for their problems.

Big Ears is not trying to clean up the economic mess left by W. He is making it much worse with his idiotic big government socialist poilcies....ironically just as FDR did after Hoover f'ed things up.

Sadly, BO and W are not very different. They both are Statists....and first and foremost to a Statist is growing the power and wealth of the State. Both have done a good job of doing just that.

 

[Ava]

From calling Bush unpatriotic in reference to the debt, to acting like Bush's surveillance was heinous and as president he, Obama, would never do such a thing as collect the phone records of millions .... Obama owes a Bush a big apology.

Were I George Bush, I would "never" want or accept an apology from the weakling, impotent, empty suit....

 

[clevergirl]

Among other things since becoming president, Barack Obama has:

1. Charged seven government officials with espionage -- all other presidents combined have charged three.
2. Supported the PRISM massive NSA spying program.
3. 20,000 Airstrikes in the President's First Term Cause Death and Destruction From Iraq to Somalia.
4. Signed the NDAA into law - making it legal to assassinate Americans w/o charge or trial.
5. Initiated, and personally oversees a 'Secret Kill List'.
6. Waged war on Libya without congressional approval.
7. Started a covert, drone war in Yemen.
8. Escalated the proxy war in Somalia.
9. Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan.
10. Maintained a presence in Iraq even after "ending" the war.
11. Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan.
12. Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia.
13. Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries.
14. Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia.
15. Opened a military base in Chile.
16. Touted nuclear power, even after the disaster in Japan.
17. Opened up deepwater oil drilling, even after the BP disaster.
18. Did a TV commercial promoting "clean coal".
19. Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports.
20. Signed the Patriot Act extension into law.
21. Deported a modern-record 1.5 million immigrants.
22. Continued Bush's rendition program.
23. Signed the Monsanto Protection Act into law.

St. Pete for Peace

Look at the "about" from this organization:

What do we stand for?
We are opposed to the U.S. occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq, and to U.S. drone strikes in Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Pakistan, believing such actions create enemies.

We believe in economic justice for the homeless/poor/working class, equal rights for LGBT, and that immigrants are not 'illegal'.

We stand against Israel's military occupation of Palestine, which we believe is a crime.

We also speak out against patriarchy, police and state repression, and stand in solidarity with peaceful, non-violent revolutions in Tunisia, Yemen and Bahrain.

This organization is a right wing nightmare.

No, this organization is a mirror to show Obama supporters their partisan hypocrisy...

That would mean your hypocrisy....