Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

[Conservative65]

Pay for their education for a couple years or have them collect welfare for the next 50 years or so? Even the dumbest teabagger should get this one right.

That statement assumes that if someone doesn't go to college the only other outcome is to be on social welfare. Even the dumbest bleeding heart Liberal can't believe that.

Sorry, but I`m not making the claim that everyone who doesn`t go to college ends up on welfare. Even the dumbest wingnut should be able to understand my point. You`re not nearly smart enough to know what bleeding hearts think. You need a heart and an IQ above room temperature to know how "bleeding hearts" think.

While I'm smarter than you'll ever imagine to be, it doesn't take a lot to know how bleeding hearts think. You're the kind that can come up with all sorts of redistribution programs and all sorts of excuses, when challenged, why you alone shouldn't fund it.

We all fund a lot of shit we don`t care for and I don`t see you being any smarter than an average teabagger. I`d like to have my money back for that failed search for wmd`s but we don`t always get our way do we? People who don`t fly don`t like paying for the FAA but they have to live with it. See how it works?

Those wars cost a lot less than what the idiot obutthurt has spent of our money.

Damn right and Democrats as a whole with things like the war on poverty.

 

[Conservative65]

Now that is actually American!

"It is better for the poorer classes to have the aid of the richer by a general tax on property, than that every parent should provide at his own expence for the education of his children, it is certain that every Class is interested in establishments which give to the human mind its highest improvements, and to every Country its truest and most durable celebrity."
-- James Madison; from letter to W.T. Barry (Aug. 4, 1822)

I can't imagine what sort of fascists could disagree...

The fascists would be those that support the government forcing everyone to pay for someone's college.

So the Father of our Constitution is a fascist now? That's fucking amazing

He damn sure wasn't talking about funding college. Madison's proposal sounds a lot like what we have now with grades 1 - 12.

 

[Pogo]

Soooo predictable...

will never work
will never work
will never work
will never work

SOOOO predictable. It will work this time is what you base your support on.

And in the very next post you proved me right. To wit: "won't happen". To wit: "waste of time".
I called it at the beginning of this thread, post 16, and you keep affirming it. Over and over.
Thanks for that but it really wasn't a wish.

 

[Conservative65]

Obama President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College

President Barack Obama announced a proposal Thursday to provide two years of free community-college tuition to American students who maintain good grades.

He also said that this plan will save at least 3.800$ per year, it means that student should continue working, because this plan will not give them: food, clothing and house! What for this circus? I don't know!

It is not free....we willl pay for this and then community colleges will suck as bad as public education at the grade school and high school level......and the cost of Community college will go up as well....since the government is paying for it........right?

It will be nothingn more than 13th and 14th grade.

.... and?

That goes a long way in defending your point of view.

 

[Conservative65]

Soooo predictable...

will never work
will never work
will never work
will never work

SOOOO predictable. It will work this time is what you base your support on.

And in the very next post you proved me right.
I called it at the beginning of this thread, post 16, and you keep affirming it. Over and over.
Thanks for that but it really wasn't a wish.

You calling something and it being true aren't the same thing. It doesn't take a genius to know when things won't work. In your mind, we should try it. In the mind of someone with common sense, knowing something won't work means you don't do it just to find out it won't.

 

[Conservative65]

Maybe that's because, unlike you, they realize it isn't free.

If you want to provide a free education to another person's kid, write a check and fund it with your money. MY money goes to MY kids. Let the other kid's parents pay for theirs. Before you call me selfish, keep in mind that I am not asking those other parents to do anything I'm not already doing myself for my kids.

That's actually the way it was done -- before the Industrial Revolution. Now we insist everybody go to school. And we pay to make that happen. We all do, whether we have kids or not. And we do that because the complexity of our culture demands it.

All we're talking about in the big picture here is a matter of degree in what we're already doing.

You seem to be talking about grades 1 - 12. I'm talking about Obozo's proposal for what amounts to grades 13 and 14 with community college.

Essentially, yes. After the developments of the Industrial Revolution we invented those grades 1-12; they didn't exist before that. We've developed a bit more since then; do the math.

Someone paying for their own college is the way it was done when I went for all three degrees. I received one in 1987, one in 1996, and one in 2012. Not once did it cross my mind for the taxpayers to be forced to fund any of them.

Because there was no such option. How many of your peers never got that chance?
Aye, there's the rub.

Once again, the taxpayer are already "forced to fund" 1-12. By picking an arbitrary stop point you're making a distinction without a difference.

We developed to a point where we agreed 1-12 was necessary for citizen survival, so we did that. Now we've developed more. Why put on the brakes? Kids don't ask to be born into this -- either give them the tools to cope with it, or don't give 'em anything. If you don't want taxpayers forced to fund education, fine -- cut off the school requirement altogether. See where that leads.

That further development doesn't translate into forcing one person to pay for another person's college. I didn't need the option even if it had been available. All three degrees costs me les than $2500 out of pocket. The first one was entirely funded by academic and athletic scho

Yet the original development did translate into "forcing taxpayers" to pay for 1-12.

See the difference?

Me neither.

There is a difference between taxpayers funding grades 1 - 12 and taxpayers funding something that isn't necessary but a want.

 

[Conservative65]

Soooo predictable...

will never work
will never work
will never work
will never work

SOOOO predictable. It will work this time is what you base your support on.

And in the very next post you proved me right. To wit: "won't happen". To wit: "waste of time".
I called it at the beginning of this thread, post 16, and you keep affirming it. Over and over.
Thanks for that but it really wasn't a wish.

To prove you right, your claim that we should try it must be correct. That's your opinion not fact. You can't state your opinion as the correct one then claim someone is proving your point because their opinion is different.

 

[Pogo]

Soooo predictable...

will never work
will never work
will never work
will never work

SOOOO predictable. It will work this time is what you base your support on.

And in the very next post you proved me right.
I called it at the beginning of this thread, post 16, and you keep affirming it. Over and over.
Thanks for that but it really wasn't a wish.

You calling something and it being true aren't the same thing. It doesn't take a genius to know when things won't work.

Obviously not.



All it takes is a naysayer.

Sorry but I have nothing but contempt for intellectual sloth. Which is exactly what sitting on one's ass going "will never work.. will never work ... will never work" is. As already noted running around shrieking "oh goodness we can't do that, we've always done it this way!" has in history produced the sum total of absolute zero. You don't grow by doing things the same way you've always done them before.

You contribute nothing here except to reinforce your own echo. Somebody wake me when something pertinent is posted.
Something with more meat on its bones than "will never work".

 

[Conservative65]

Soooo predictable...

will never work
will never work
will never work
will never work

SOOOO predictable. It will work this time is what you base your support on.

And in the very next post you proved me right.
I called it at the beginning of this thread, post 16, and you keep affirming it. Over and over.
Thanks for that but it really wasn't a wish.

You calling something and it being true aren't the same thing. It doesn't take a genius to know when things won't work.

Obviously not.



All it takes is a naysayer.

Sorry but I have nothing but contempt for intellectual sloth. Which is exactly what sitting on one's ass going "will never work.. will never work ... will never work" is. As already noted running around shrieking "oh goodness we can't do that, we've always done it this way!" has in history produced the sum total of absolute zero. You don't grow by doing things the same way you've always done them before.

You contribute nothing here except to reinforce your own echo. Somebody wake me when something pertinent is posted.
Something with more meat on its bones than "will never work".

I have nothing but contempt for people like you that demand someone else fund what you think needs to be done. If you think it's such a good idea, fund as many as you want personally and get as many like you to do the same. It's one thing to say you think it should be done, it's another to prove it with your own money.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Maybe he'll take himself up on his own offer. Once he gets his GED, that is.

 

[Flopper]

Look at it this way: a society handing out free stuff that benefits nobody but the recipient is just handing out free stuff. A society investing in educating its own is investing in itself.

Yanno, I figured if I lived long enough you and I would agree on something. Now we need to make the hard decisions on what freebies to end so that we can instead invest those dollars in education.

If Congress and the President would work together, it wouldn't be hard at all. The goals of the two parties are to support an ideology and destroy the opposition. Anything good that comes out that will simply be coincidental.

I'm a bottom line sort of guy. If our fearless leaders manage to stumble upon some civic good, I'm for it.

So am I. The taxes that those of us funding college for someone else's kid is money we can't use for our own. The bottom line is that with more taxes, less goes to my kids. That's the only bottom line I'm concerned with.

That depends on whether your kids are going to college. You can complete your first two years of college at a community college then transfer to a 4 year school. That would cut the cost considerably for most parents. However, my guess is congress would limit the programs to students not seeking a 4 year degree to cut cost, if they even considered the program at all.

 

[Agit8r]

Now that is actually American!

"It is better for the poorer classes to have the aid of the richer by a general tax on property, than that every parent should provide at his own expence for the education of his children, it is certain that every Class is interested in establishments which give to the human mind its highest improvements, and to every Country its truest and most durable celebrity."
-- James Madison; from letter to W.T. Barry (Aug. 4, 1822)

I can't imagine what sort of fascists could disagree...

The fascists would be those that support the government forcing everyone to pay for someone's college.

So the Father of our Constitution is a fascist now? That's fucking amazing

He damn sure wasn't talking about funding college. Madison's proposal sounds a lot like what we have now with grades 1 - 12.

Sorry. I should have included the context:

"No error is more certain than the one proceeding from a hasty & superficial view of the subject: that the people at large have no interest in the establishment of Academies, Colleges, and Universities, where a few only, and those not of the poorer classes can obtain for their sons the advantages of superior education. It is thought to be unjust that all should be taxed for the benefit of a part, and that too the part least needing it. If provision were not made at the same time for every part, the objection would be a natural one. But, besides the consideration when the higher Seminaries belong to a plan of general education, that it is better for the poorer classes to have the aid of the richer by a general tax on property, than that every parent should provide at his own expence for the education of his children"

So now that the necessary provision is made for "every part" where then could the objection come?

 

[Flopper]

Soooo predictable...

will never work
will never work
will never work
will never work

SOOOO predictable. It will work this time is what you base your support on.

And in the very next post you proved me right.
I called it at the beginning of this thread, post 16, and you keep affirming it. Over and over.
Thanks for that but it really wasn't a wish.

You calling something and it being true aren't the same thing. It doesn't take a genius to know when things won't work.

Obviously not.



All it takes is a naysayer.

Sorry but I have nothing but contempt for intellectual sloth. Which is exactly what sitting on one's ass going "will never work.. will never work ... will never work" is. As already noted running around shrieking "oh goodness we can't do that, we've always done it this way!" has in history produced the sum total of absolute zero. You don't grow by doing things the same way you've always done them before.

You contribute nothing here except to reinforce your own echo. Somebody wake me when something pertinent is posted.
Something with more meat on its bones than "will never work".

Yep. The same argument over and over. I just wish these guys would be honest and say what they really mean, I don't want my money spent on anyone but me; it's all about me.

 

[Big Black Dog]

Obama President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College

Stupidest idea I've ever heard of. Everything in America can't be free.

 

[Ame®icano]

Obama President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College

Stupidest idea I've ever heard of. Everything in America can't be free.

What happens with Pell Grants?

Btw, why didn't he do any of this shit when he had full control of the house and senate?

Now he does stuff like this so he can complain about gridlock.

 

[Ame®icano]

And how many of the high school kids who were 'streamed' in order to get them the fuck out of the high school will gladly spend the next two years learning as much as they did in high school which was sweet fuck all. And who's going to pay the LIB/Socialist/Union (cough) professors? The fucking 'Takers' or the Makers?
"I hear you're going off to college for two years tuition free soon. What are you going to study?"
"I don't know. Do you have to study something? [Is their] courses on how to get rich?"

As I understand the proposal students must have a good grade point average in high schools and maintain a 2.5 GPA in community college and be at least a half time student.

A 2.5 in a community college is on the same level as having someone spell their name correctly.

You can get a 2.5 GPA just by breathing in your classes.

So, what about all those who finished college and paid for it on their own? Yeah, let's punish those who did what they needed to do to eek out a meager existence in the middle class by making their degree worthless so Jamal can go to school for African studies or some tranny go to school for gender studies. Let's just extend high school by two years so the lefties have little longer to indoctrinate people. Oh, and let's reward pieces of shit who didn't go to school to make themselves valuable employees by just giving them already near-worthless degrees.

 

[Pogo]

Soooo predictable...

will never work
will never work
will never work
will never work

SOOOO predictable. It will work this time is what you base your support on.

And in the very next post you proved me right.
I called it at the beginning of this thread, post 16, and you keep affirming it. Over and over.
Thanks for that but it really wasn't a wish.

You calling something and it being true aren't the same thing. It doesn't take a genius to know when things won't work.

Obviously not.



All it takes is a naysayer.

Sorry but I have nothing but contempt for intellectual sloth. Which is exactly what sitting on one's ass going "will never work.. will never work ... will never work" is. As already noted running around shrieking "oh goodness we can't do that, we've always done it this way!" has in history produced the sum total of absolute zero. You don't grow by doing things the same way you've always done them before.

You contribute nothing here except to reinforce your own echo. Somebody wake me when something pertinent is posted.
Something with more meat on its bones than "will never work".

I have nothing but contempt for people like you that demand someone else fund what you think needs to be done. If you think it's such a good idea, fund as many as you want personally and get as many like you to do the same. It's one thing to say you think it should be done, it's another to prove it with your own money.

Who the fuck do you think pays for your fire department, your library, your parks and museums and the roads you use to get to work?

 

[Pogo]

Soooo predictable...

will never work
will never work
will never work
will never work

SOOOO predictable. It will work this time is what you base your support on.

And in the very next post you proved me right.
I called it at the beginning of this thread, post 16, and you keep affirming it. Over and over.
Thanks for that but it really wasn't a wish.

You calling something and it being true aren't the same thing. It doesn't take a genius to know when things won't work.

Obviously not.



All it takes is a naysayer.

Sorry but I have nothing but contempt for intellectual sloth. Which is exactly what sitting on one's ass going "will never work.. will never work ... will never work" is. As already noted running around shrieking "oh goodness we can't do that, we've always done it this way!" has in history produced the sum total of absolute zero. You don't grow by doing things the same way you've always done them before.

You contribute nothing here except to reinforce your own echo. Somebody wake me when something pertinent is posted.
Something with more meat on its bones than "will never work".

Yep. The same argument over and over. I just wish these guys would be honest and say what they really mean, I don't want my money spent on anyone but me; it's all about me.

Exactly. That's what I mean by the term "Randbots". Basically a synonym for sociopaths.

 

[Pogo]

And how many of the high school kids who were 'streamed' in order to get them the fuck out of the high school will gladly spend the next two years learning as much as they did in high school which was sweet fuck all. And who's going to pay the LIB/Socialist/Union (cough) professors? The fucking 'Takers' or the Makers?
"I hear you're going off to college for two years tuition free soon. What are you going to study?"
"I don't know. Do you have to study something? [Is their] courses on how to get rich?"

As I understand the proposal students must have a good grade point average in high schools and maintain a 2.5 GPA in community college and be at least a half time student.

A 2.5 in a community college is on the same level as having someone spell their name correctly.

You can get a 2.5 GPA just by breathing in your classes.

So, what about all those who finished college and paid for it on their own? Yeah, let's punish those who did what they needed to do to eek out a meager existence in the middle class by making their degree worthless so Jamal can go to school for African studies or some tranny go to school for gender studies. Let's just extend high school by two years so the lefties have little longer to indoctrinate people. Oh, and let's reward pieces of shit who didn't go to school to make themselves valuable employees by just giving them already near-worthless degrees.

I think you're eligible for a refund for not knowing the difference between eek [sic] and eke.

 

[Scorpion]

In the school district my children attend, and many surrounding communities, Juniors and Seniors in high school are eligible to attend the local community college and receive dual credit. Some students split between the high school and the community college depending on the classes offered or desired

My daughter has taken advantage of this program. She attends college in the morning and then she attends a career academy in the afternoon to study nursing.

Upon graduation from high school, she will have an associates degree from the college and be eligible for LPN licensure upon graduation.

Granted, the local school districts pay the students tuition (I believe at a reduced rate), but the Junior and Senior year of high school is when such programs should be instituted, not 'Community High'.

There also is not nearly enough emphasis on trades in schools. Some simply arent suited for academics.