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Obama President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College
President Barack Obama announced a proposal Thursday to provide two years of free community-college tuition to American students who maintain good grades.
He also said that this plan will save at least 3.800$ per year, it means that student should continue working, because this plan will not give them: food, clothing and house! What for this circus? I don't know!
And how many of the high school kids who were 'streamed' in order to get them the fuck out of the high school will gladly spend the next two years learning as much as they did in high school which was sweet fuck all. And who's going to pay the LIB/Socialist/Union (cough) professors? The fucking 'Takers' or the Makers?
"I hear you're going off to college for two years tuition free soon. What are you going to study?"
"I don't know. Do you have to study something? [Is their] courses on how to get rich?"
Obama President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College
President Barack Obama announced a proposal Thursday to provide two years of free community-college tuition to American students who maintain good grades.
He also said that this plan will save at least 3.800$ per year, it means that student should continue working, because this plan will not give them: food, clothing and house! What for this circus? I don't know!
It is not free....we willl pay for this and then community colleges will suck as bad as public education at the grade school and high school level......and the cost of Community college will go up as well....since the government is paying for it........right?
Additional education benefits no one?Could be, could be indeed from the political dynamic standpoint. Hey that's purty smart, you been ta school, boy?
Yes, very much puts the opposition between a rock and a hard place, because now they have to make the argument on why education is a bad thing. At best they'll prolly sputter the old standby "will never work", as we've already heard from one of the deeper wags in this thread.
But there's never anything wrong with proposing an ideal and suggesting "what if". That's how improvements eventually get done.
You're right, it does put the opposition between a rock and a hard place, but only because #1: The "opposition" (ie: Republican party) doesn't have anyone who can concisely and clearly explain their position, and #2: the media spins every message so far to the left.
Nobody is arguing "education is a bad thing." Just like nobody is arguing that food, housing, cell phones, transportation, etc (ad nauseum) are "bad things". However when some of us have to provide all of these things for other people, and those people get them for "free", it devalues those things.
Look at the areas that have "free housing". Do you want to live next door?
Once again....
Making food, housing, cellphones, transportation etc available to the masses doesn't directly benefit the community as a whole, i.e. they don't produce a more productive citizen. That's why this comparison is still apples and oranges.
Look at it this way: a society handing out free stuff that benefits nobody but the recipient is just handing out free stuff. A society investing in educating its own is investing in itself.
On the contrary it benefits everyone -- the greater whole, the community at large. That's my whole point.
ONLY if the students actually get an education. Make it "free", and if you think too many students party too much and don't learn anything in college today....
Food, housing, communications, and transportation certainly does benefit the community as a whole, and investment in these things is indeed a good thing, just like investing in education.You're right, it does put the opposition between a rock and a hard place, but only because #1: The "opposition" (ie: Republican party) doesn't have anyone who can concisely and clearly explain their position, and #2: the media spins every message so far to the left.
Nobody is arguing "education is a bad thing." Just like nobody is arguing that food, housing, cell phones, transportation, etc (ad nauseum) are "bad things". However when some of us have to provide all of these things for other people, and those people get them for "free", it devalues those things.
Look at the areas that have "free housing". Do you want to live next door?
Once again....
Making food, housing, cellphones, transportation etc available to the masses doesn't directly benefit the community as a whole, i.e. they don't produce a more productive citizen. That's why this comparison is still apples and oranges.
Look at it this way: a society handing out free stuff that benefits nobody but the recipient is just handing out free stuff. A society investing in educating its own is investing in itself.
However "investing" in these things should NOT mean giving them to people for FREE. That isn't good investing, because (once again....) it devalues the very thing we are invest in.
I'll ask you again. Do you want to live next door to the "free housing" areas??
If someone disagrees with a plan why should they come up with ideas to make it work?Obama President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College
President Barack Obama announced a proposal Thursday to provide two years of free community-college tuition to American students who maintain good grades.
He also said that this plan will save at least 3.800$ per year, it means that student should continue working, because this plan will not give them: food, clothing and house! What for this circus? I don't know!
It is not free....we willl pay for this and then community colleges will suck as bad as public education at the grade school and high school level......and the cost of Community college will go up as well....since the government is paying for it........right?
This ^^ is exactly what I predicted ---- rhetorical wankers with nothing constructive to add except to crow "will never work", carrying with them no basis at all.
If you're not imaginative enough to come up with a way it will work, then you're part of what's keeping it from happening. Naysayers have never accomplished anything but naysaying.
If someone disagrees with a plan why should they come up with ideas to make it work?Obama President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College
President Barack Obama announced a proposal Thursday to provide two years of free community-college tuition to American students who maintain good grades.
He also said that this plan will save at least 3.800$ per year, it means that student should continue working, because this plan will not give them: food, clothing and house! What for this circus? I don't know!
It is not free....we willl pay for this and then community colleges will suck as bad as public education at the grade school and high school level......and the cost of Community college will go up as well....since the government is paying for it........right?
This ^^ is exactly what I predicted ---- rhetorical wankers with nothing constructive to add except to crow "will never work", carrying with them no basis at all.
If you're not imaginative enough to come up with a way it will work, then you're part of what's keeping it from happening. Naysayers have never accomplished anything but naysaying.
If you want free colleges incorporate them into the bloated public school system.......we all know how helpful it is
How about, it's too expensive and we're broke?If someone disagrees with a plan why should they come up with ideas to make it work?Obama President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College
President Barack Obama announced a proposal Thursday to provide two years of free community-college tuition to American students who maintain good grades.
He also said that this plan will save at least 3.800$ per year, it means that student should continue working, because this plan will not give them: food, clothing and house! What for this circus? I don't know!
It is not free....we willl pay for this and then community colleges will suck as bad as public education at the grade school and high school level......and the cost of Community college will go up as well....since the government is paying for it........right?
This ^^ is exactly what I predicted ---- rhetorical wankers with nothing constructive to add except to crow "will never work", carrying with them no basis at all.
If you're not imaginative enough to come up with a way it will work, then you're part of what's keeping it from happening. Naysayers have never accomplished anything but naysaying.
If you want free colleges incorporate them into the bloated public school system.......we all know how helpful it is
Back up there -- if someone disagrees with an idea they need to have a basis for that disagreement. Something with a bit more meat on its bones than "will never work". You can't just walk around spitting "will never work" and never have to say why it "will never work". That's what I mean by wanking.
How about, it's too expensive and we're broke?If someone disagrees with a plan why should they come up with ideas to make it work?Obama President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College
President Barack Obama announced a proposal Thursday to provide two years of free community-college tuition to American students who maintain good grades.
He also said that this plan will save at least 3.800$ per year, it means that student should continue working, because this plan will not give them: food, clothing and house! What for this circus? I don't know!
It is not free....we willl pay for this and then community colleges will suck as bad as public education at the grade school and high school level......and the cost of Community college will go up as well....since the government is paying for it........right?
This ^^ is exactly what I predicted ---- rhetorical wankers with nothing constructive to add except to crow "will never work", carrying with them no basis at all.
If you're not imaginative enough to come up with a way it will work, then you're part of what's keeping it from happening. Naysayers have never accomplished anything but naysaying.
If you want free colleges incorporate them into the bloated public school system.......we all know how helpful it is
Back up there -- if someone disagrees with an idea they need to have a basis for that disagreement. Something with a bit more meat on its bones than "will never work". You can't just walk around spitting "will never work" and never have to say why it "will never work". That's what I mean by wanking.
That really doesn't matter much to this generation though
Logic, son.....Logic.How about, it's too expensive and we're broke?If someone disagrees with a plan why should they come up with ideas to make it work?It is not free....we willl pay for this and then community colleges will suck as bad as public education at the grade school and high school level......and the cost of Community college will go up as well....since the government is paying for it........right?
This ^^ is exactly what I predicted ---- rhetorical wankers with nothing constructive to add except to crow "will never work", carrying with them no basis at all.
If you're not imaginative enough to come up with a way it will work, then you're part of what's keeping it from happening. Naysayers have never accomplished anything but naysaying.
If you want free colleges incorporate them into the bloated public school system.......we all know how helpful it is
Back up there -- if someone disagrees with an idea they need to have a basis for that disagreement. Something with a bit more meat on its bones than "will never work". You can't just walk around spitting "will never work" and never have to say why it "will never work". That's what I mean by wanking.
That really doesn't matter much to this generation though
Where are the figures to make that case? What's the funding for this idea?
oops -- it isn't articulated yet.
See what I mean? Naysaying before the plan is even constructed. Ergo -- wankers.
Wankers have never developed anything. They're the polar opposite of leaders and inventors. Rhetorical parasites.
If someone disagrees with a plan why should they come up with ideas to make it work?Obama President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College
President Barack Obama announced a proposal Thursday to provide two years of free community-college tuition to American students who maintain good grades.
He also said that this plan will save at least 3.800$ per year, it means that student should continue working, because this plan will not give them: food, clothing and house! What for this circus? I don't know!
It is not free....we willl pay for this and then community colleges will suck as bad as public education at the grade school and high school level......and the cost of Community college will go up as well....since the government is paying for it........right?
This ^^ is exactly what I predicted ---- rhetorical wankers with nothing constructive to add except to crow "will never work", carrying with them no basis at all.
If you're not imaginative enough to come up with a way it will work, then you're part of what's keeping it from happening. Naysayers have never accomplished anything but naysaying.
If you want free colleges incorporate them into the bloated public school system.......we all know how helpful it is
Back up there -- if someone disagrees with an idea they need to have a basis for that disagreement. Something with a bit more meat on its bones than "will never work". You can't just walk around spitting "will never work" and never have to say why it "will never work". That's what I mean by wanking.
...In one sense it's kind of absurd for a culture to require as much education as possible for its citizen to develop his or her potential, and then turn around and demand he/she pay for it. That wasn't the child's choice. Neither the microcosm (the parents) nor the macrocosm (the greater culture) has the right to bring a child into a complex world and then just shrug and say, "well, you're on your own, rotsa ruck".
If the culture demands some level of sophistication, then the onus is on that same culture to provide it. Also known as the concept of "level playing field". If you don't provide it, then all you're doing is creating and perpetuating a striated social class system. And the more sophistication you require and make beyond the reach of the lower caste, the wider that gap grows.
Additional education benefits no one?You're right, it does put the opposition between a rock and a hard place, but only because #1: The "opposition" (ie: Republican party) doesn't have anyone who can concisely and clearly explain their position, and #2: the media spins every message so far to the left.
Nobody is arguing "education is a bad thing." Just like nobody is arguing that food, housing, cell phones, transportation, etc (ad nauseum) are "bad things". However when some of us have to provide all of these things for other people, and those people get them for "free", it devalues those things.
Look at the areas that have "free housing". Do you want to live next door?
Once again....
Making food, housing, cellphones, transportation etc available to the masses doesn't directly benefit the community as a whole, i.e. they don't produce a more productive citizen. That's why this comparison is still apples and oranges.
Look at it this way: a society handing out free stuff that benefits nobody but the recipient is just handing out free stuff. A society investing in educating its own is investing in itself.
On the contrary it benefits everyone -- the greater whole, the community at large. That's my whole point.
ONLY if the students actually get an education. Make it "free", and if you think too many students party too much and don't learn anything in college today....
Learning is never "free". Learning takes work, regardless who funds it.
You are making a critical mistake in your assumption.Food, housing, communications, and transportation certainly does benefit the community as a whole, and investment in these things is indeed a good thing, just like investing in education.You're right, it does put the opposition between a rock and a hard place, but only because #1: The "opposition" (ie: Republican party) doesn't have anyone who can concisely and clearly explain their position, and #2: the media spins every message so far to the left.
Nobody is arguing "education is a bad thing." Just like nobody is arguing that food, housing, cell phones, transportation, etc (ad nauseum) are "bad things". However when some of us have to provide all of these things for other people, and those people get them for "free", it devalues those things.
Look at the areas that have "free housing". Do you want to live next door?
Once again....
Making food, housing, cellphones, transportation etc available to the masses doesn't directly benefit the community as a whole, i.e. they don't produce a more productive citizen. That's why this comparison is still apples and oranges.
Look at it this way: a society handing out free stuff that benefits nobody but the recipient is just handing out free stuff. A society investing in educating its own is investing in itself.
However "investing" in these things should NOT mean giving them to people for FREE. That isn't good investing, because (once again....) it devalues the very thing we are invest in.
I'll ask you again. Do you want to live next door to the "free housing" areas??
And I'll answer again -- it hasn't changed:
See post 85 -- you continue to try to equate the material with the conceptual. If somebody gives you a free car, free house, free food etc, it requires no work on your part. That's why they're not comparable. Education is participatory. Not to mention that unlike cars, houses and food, it doesn't wear out or burn up -- it's forever.
In one sense it's kind of absurd for a culture to require as much education as possible for its citizen to develop his or her potential, and then turn around and demand he/she pay for it. That wasn't the child's choice. If the culture demands some level of sophistication, then the onus is on that same culture to provide it. Also known as the concept of "level playing field".
If you don't provide it, then all you're doing is creating and perpetuating a striated social class system. And the more sophistication you require and make beyond the reach of the lower caste, the wider that gap grows.
Logic, son.....Logic.How about, it's too expensive and we're broke?If someone disagrees with a plan why should they come up with ideas to make it work?This ^^ is exactly what I predicted ---- rhetorical wankers with nothing constructive to add except to crow "will never work", carrying with them no basis at all.
If you're not imaginative enough to come up with a way it will work, then you're part of what's keeping it from happening. Naysayers have never accomplished anything but naysaying.
If you want free colleges incorporate them into the bloated public school system.......we all know how helpful it is
Back up there -- if someone disagrees with an idea they need to have a basis for that disagreement. Something with a bit more meat on its bones than "will never work". You can't just walk around spitting "will never work" and never have to say why it "will never work". That's what I mean by wanking.
That really doesn't matter much to this generation though
Where are the figures to make that case? What's the funding for this idea?
oops -- it isn't articulated yet.
See what I mean? Naysaying before the plan is even constructed. Ergo -- wankers.
Wankers have never developed anything. They're the polar opposite of leaders and inventors. Rhetorical parasites.
If community college costs to attend now, it stands to reason that "free" community college (now attended by more students because of this plan) would cost more.
Also, how many of these students that will be working to "pay for it" will be working with a green card? I guess Obama's trying to plan ahead for the tidal wave of illegal children that just inundated our schools
How about, it's too expensive and we're broke?If someone disagrees with a plan why should they come up with ideas to make it work?Obama President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College
President Barack Obama announced a proposal Thursday to provide two years of free community-college tuition to American students who maintain good grades.
He also said that this plan will save at least 3.800$ per year, it means that student should continue working, because this plan will not give them: food, clothing and house! What for this circus? I don't know!
It is not free....we willl pay for this and then community colleges will suck as bad as public education at the grade school and high school level......and the cost of Community college will go up as well....since the government is paying for it........right?
This ^^ is exactly what I predicted ---- rhetorical wankers with nothing constructive to add except to crow "will never work", carrying with them no basis at all.
If you're not imaginative enough to come up with a way it will work, then you're part of what's keeping it from happening. Naysayers have never accomplished anything but naysaying.
If you want free colleges incorporate them into the bloated public school system.......we all know how helpful it is
Back up there -- if someone disagrees with an idea they need to have a basis for that disagreement. Something with a bit more meat on its bones than "will never work". You can't just walk around spitting "will never work" and never have to say why it "will never work". That's what I mean by wanking.
That really doesn't matter much to this generation though
