Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

[Pogo]

Just more pandering by the Marxist in chief. This proposal will go nowhere and he knows that. It's just a trap he's setting to beat the Republicans with because he knows they won't go along with it.

Could be, could be indeed from the political dynamic standpoint. Hey that's purty smart, you been ta school, boy?

Yes, very much puts the opposition between a rock and a hard place, because now they have to make the argument on why education is a bad thing. At best they'll prolly sputter the old standby "will never work", as we've already heard from one of the deeper wags in this thread.

But there's never anything wrong with proposing an ideal and suggesting "what if". That's how improvements eventually get done.

You're right, it does put the opposition between a rock and a hard place, but only because #1: The "opposition" (ie: Republican party) doesn't have anyone who can concisely and clearly explain their position, and #2: the media spins every message so far to the left.

Nobody is arguing "education is a bad thing." Just like nobody is arguing that food, housing, cell phones, transportation, etc (ad nauseum) are "bad things". However when some of us have to provide all of these things for other people, and those people get them for "free", it devalues those things.

Look at the areas that have "free housing". Do you want to live next door?

Once again....

Making food, housing, cellphones, transportation etc available to the masses doesn't directly benefit the community as a whole, i.e. they don't produce a more productive citizen. That's why this comparison is still apples and oranges.

Look at it this way: a society handing out free stuff that benefits nobody but the recipient is just handing out free stuff. A society investing in educating its own is investing in itself.

Additional education benefits no one?

On the contrary it benefits everyone -- the greater whole, the community at large. That's my whole point.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Evil, just evil. Edumacatin' Murkins? We don't want that goin' on. Next thing you know peoples will be makin' dem intelligent arguments and shit. Larnin' reason an' logic, maybe even... science.

Nope, we likes our sheeples dumbed down 'n' stoopid. Give 'em books an' dey gets all uppity. Starts readin' them Constitutionals. I tell ya the old church had it right when they make it illegal to read the Holy Babble. Infermation's a dangerous game, leave it to duh experts. We wunt da common peoples in line and iggerant. When you know too much, you crow too much.

Give em books, they'll start voting Democrat.

As long as the book is written by Saul Alinsky.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Just more pandering by the Marxist in chief. This proposal will go nowhere and he knows that. It's just a trap he's setting to beat the Republicans with because he knows they won't go along with it.

Could be, could be indeed from the political dynamic standpoint. Hey that's purty smart, you been ta school, boy?

Yes, very much puts the opposition between a rock and a hard place, because now they have to make the argument on why education is a bad thing. At best they'll prolly sputter the old standby "will never work", as we've already heard from one of the deeper wags in this thread.

But there's never anything wrong with proposing an ideal and suggesting "what if". That's how improvements eventually get done.

You're right, it does put the opposition between a rock and a hard place, but only because #1: The "opposition" (ie: Republican party) doesn't have anyone who can concisely and clearly explain their position, and #2: the media spins every message so far to the left.

Nobody is arguing "education is a bad thing." Just like nobody is arguing that food, housing, cell phones, transportation, etc (ad nauseum) are "bad things". However when some of us have to provide all of these things for other people, and those people get them for "free", it devalues those things.

Look at the areas that have "free housing". Do you want to live next door?

Once again....

Making food, housing, cellphones, transportation etc available to the masses doesn't directly benefit the community as a whole, i.e. they don't produce a more productive citizen. That's why this comparison is still apples and oranges.

Look at it this way: a society handing out free stuff that benefits nobody but the recipient is just handing out free stuff. A society investing in educating its own is investing in itself.

Additional education benefits no one?

On the contrary it benefits everyone -- the greater whole, the community at large. That's my whole point.

Typical socialist wet dreams. Tell that to us taxpayers paying for it. Bad enough obutthurt care was forced through.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Evil, just evil. Edumacatin' Murkins? We don't want that goin' on. Next thing you know peoples will be makin' dem intelligent arguments and shit. Larnin' reason an' logic, maybe even... science.

Nope, we likes our sheeples dumbed down 'n' stoopid. Give 'em books an' dey gets all uppity. Starts readin' them Constitutionals. I tell ya the old church had it right when they make it illegal to read the Holy Babble. Infermation's a dangerous game, leave it to duh experts. We wunt da common peoples in line and iggerant. When you know too much, you crow too much.

Give em books, they'll start voting Democrat.

As long as the book is written by Saul Alinsky.

I guess we could teach them that fossils were put here to be misleading.

 

[Sherry]

Are grades the only requirement?? There should be some sort of community service in exchange...such as committing to working in a certain industry/district to receive compensation. For example, I know that in certain instances, those with education degrees can have portions of their loans forgiven if they will teach in certain areas.

 

[SAYIT]

Look at it this way: a society handing out free stuff that benefits nobody but the recipient is just handing out free stuff. A society investing in educating its own is investing in itself.

Yanno, I figured if I lived long enough you and I would agree on something. Now we need to make the hard decisions on which freebies to end so that we can instead invest those dollars in education.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Make community college free, and watch the quality of education go down.

 

[SAYIT]

Nothing is free. Someone, most likely taxpayers will be footing the bill.

The reason why I know liberals are stupid is because they vote for a bigger more invasive government and then bitch when their taxes go up. You can't have a big government without high taxes.

Don't have links but items on the internet generally agree it would cost approximately $60 billion per year!!!

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day..."
We should take from money from the current freebie pool to fund this idea. We could convene a committee of current recipients to decide which of their bennies to cut.
Hell ... it might convince some of the millions of high school drop-outs to stay in school.

 

[Flopper]

Look at it this way: a society handing out free stuff that benefits nobody but the recipient is just handing out free stuff. A society investing in educating its own is investing in itself.

Yanno, I figured if I lived long enough you and I would agree on something. Now we need to make the hard decisions on what freebies to end so that we can instead invest those dollars in education.

If Congress and the President would work together, it wouldn't be hard at all. The goals of the two parties are to support an ideology and destroy the opposition. Anything good that comes out that will simply be coincidental.

 

[SAYIT]

Could be, could be indeed from the political dynamic standpoint. Hey that's purty smart, you been ta school, boy?

Yes, very much puts the opposition between a rock and a hard place, because now they have to make the argument on why education is a bad thing. At best they'll prolly sputter the old standby "will never work", as we've already heard from one of the deeper wags in this thread.

But there's never anything wrong with proposing an ideal and suggesting "what if". That's how improvements eventually get done.

You're right, it does put the opposition between a rock and a hard place, but only because #1: The "opposition" (ie: Republican party) doesn't have anyone who can concisely and clearly explain their position, and #2: the media spins every message so far to the left.

Nobody is arguing "education is a bad thing." Just like nobody is arguing that food, housing, cell phones, transportation, etc (ad nauseum) are "bad things". However when some of us have to provide all of these things for other people, and those people get them for "free", it devalues those things.

Look at the areas that have "free housing". Do you want to live next door?

Once again....

Making food, housing, cellphones, transportation etc available to the masses doesn't directly benefit the community as a whole, i.e. they don't produce a more productive citizen. That's why this comparison is still apples and oranges.

Look at it this way: a society handing out free stuff that benefits nobody but the recipient is just handing out free stuff. A society investing in educating its own is investing in itself.

Additional education benefits no one?

On the contrary it benefits everyone -- the greater whole, the community at large. That's my whole point.

Typical socialist wet dreams. Tell that to us taxpayers paying for it. Bad enough obutthurt care was forced through.

True enough but suppose rather than a new expenditure we divert some of the money now used to fund other freebies? As Pogo rightly notes, "handing out free stuff that benefits nobody but the recipient is just handing out free stuff. A society investing in educating its own is investing in itself." An education freebie may just be the smarter choice.

 

[SAYIT]

Look at it this way: a society handing out free stuff that benefits nobody but the recipient is just handing out free stuff. A society investing in educating its own is investing in itself.

Yanno, I figured if I lived long enough you and I would agree on something. Now we need to make the hard decisions on what freebies to end so that we can instead invest those dollars in education.

If Congress and the President would work together, it wouldn't be hard at all. The goals of the two parties are to support an ideology and destroy the opposition. Anything good that comes out that will simply be coincidental.

I'm a bottom line sort of guy. If our fearless leaders manage to stumble upon some civic good, I'm for it.

 

[Old Rocks]

Let's see. The estimate for the cost is 60 billion over ten years. OK, end the subsidies for coal and oil. That will more than pay for the Community Colleges.

There are a lot of technical courses taught in Community Colleges. There are five million technical jobs going begging in the US right now. The craft that I have practised for nearly fifty years, the welding and blue print reading, I took those classes in a Community College. Now Portland Community College has a full 4 year apprenticeship program in Millwrighting. Of course, that is two years worth of credits, for you have to be working in the craft to take the program. It would be very valuable for these programs, if not free, at least at a price that someone on entry level prices can afford.

 

[SAYIT]

Let's see. The estimate for the cost is 60 billion over ten years. OK, end the subsidies for coal and oil. That will more than pay for the Community Colleges.

There are a lot of technical courses taught in Community Colleges. There are five million technical jobs going begging in the US right now. The craft that I have practised for nearly fifty years, the welding and blue print reading, I took those classes in a Community College. Now Portland Community College has a full 4 year apprenticeship program in Millwrighting. Of course, that is two years worth of credits, for you have to be working in the craft to take the program. It would be very valuable for these programs, if not free, at least at a price that someone on entry level prices can afford.

We agree that getting more American kids some sort of post high school education is probably good for America and if the freebie motivates some to stay in school, so much the better. Eliminating fossil fuel subsidies is a tempting choice (we would pay for that at the pump, of course) but considering the impact our shale oil has had on the global market I think redirecting at least some of those subsidies to higher cost frackers will keep the downward pressure on oil prices (which benefits our economy) and certain foreign producers who use their oil riches to do international mischief.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

You're right, it does put the opposition between a rock and a hard place, but only because #1: The "opposition" (ie: Republican party) doesn't have anyone who can concisely and clearly explain their position, and #2: the media spins every message so far to the left.

Nobody is arguing "education is a bad thing." Just like nobody is arguing that food, housing, cell phones, transportation, etc (ad nauseum) are "bad things". However when some of us have to provide all of these things for other people, and those people get them for "free", it devalues those things.

Look at the areas that have "free housing". Do you want to live next door?

Once again....

Making food, housing, cellphones, transportation etc available to the masses doesn't directly benefit the community as a whole, i.e. they don't produce a more productive citizen. That's why this comparison is still apples and oranges.

Look at it this way: a society handing out free stuff that benefits nobody but the recipient is just handing out free stuff. A society investing in educating its own is investing in itself.

Food, housing, communications, and transportation certainly does benefit the community as a whole, and investment in these things is indeed a good thing, just like investing in education.

However "investing" in these things should NOT mean giving them to people for FREE. That isn't good investing, because (once again....) it devalues the very thing we are invest in.

I'll ask you again. Do you want to live next door to the "free housing" areas??

 

[hadit]

Evil, just evil. Edumacatin' Murkins? We don't want that goin' on. Next thing you know peoples will be makin' dem intelligent arguments and shit. Larnin' reason an' logic, maybe even... science.

Nope, we likes our sheeples dumbed down 'n' stoopid. Give 'em books an' dey gets all uppity. Starts readin' them Constitutionals. I tell ya the old church had it right when they make it illegal to read the Holy Babble. Infermation's a dangerous game, leave it to duh experts. We wunt da common peoples in line and iggerant. When you know too much, you crow too much.

Obama President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College

President Barack Obama announced a proposal Thursday to provide two years of free community-college tuition to American students who maintain good grades.

He also said that this plan will save at least 3.800$ per year, it means that student should continue working, because this plan will not give them: food, clothing and house! What for this circus? I don't know!

And who is going to pay for their free education? Another obutthurtcare type program, take from the haves to give free stuff away. What an idiot.

Pay for their education for a couple years or have them collect welfare for the next 50 years or so? Even the dumbest teabagger should get this one right.

How far are you willing to take that?

"Give them a free education or they'll waste away on welfare because they can't figure out how to be worth more than minimum wage".
"Give them a free car or they'll waste away on welfare because they can't get to work".
"Give them free food or they'll starve to death".

And on it goes. When do we hold people responsible for their own destinies and allow for failure?

Do you actually not comprehend the character-building difference between on the one hand a deep education, and on the other hand a car and meals?

Do you really not comprehend that there is a continuum, and that when one freebie becomes an entitlement, another will quickly come into demand?

 

[hadit]

Evil, just evil. Edumacatin' Murkins? We don't want that goin' on. Next thing you know peoples will be makin' dem intelligent arguments and shit. Larnin' reason an' logic, maybe even... science.

Nope, we likes our sheeples dumbed down 'n' stoopid. Give 'em books an' dey gets all uppity. Starts readin' them Constitutionals. I tell ya the old church had it right when they make it illegal to read the Holy Babble. Infermation's a dangerous game, leave it to duh experts. We wunt da common peoples in line and iggerant. When you know too much, you crow too much.

Obama President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College

President Barack Obama announced a proposal Thursday to provide two years of free community-college tuition to American students who maintain good grades.

He also said that this plan will save at least 3.800$ per year, it means that student should continue working, because this plan will not give them: food, clothing and house! What for this circus? I don't know!

And who is going to pay for their free education? Another obutthurtcare type program, take from the haves to give free stuff away. What an idiot.

Pay for their education for a couple years or have them collect welfare for the next 50 years or so? Even the dumbest teabagger should get this one right.

Under a Republican controlled government, there will be no need for such education, welfare, minimum wage, or unemployment. Americans will work for $2/hr and corporate America will be able to compete with the Chinese.

Stupid post of the month!!!

 

[hadit]

If we can piss away a trillion dollars on the Iraq fiasco, we certainly afford two years of community college for our own people.

It wasn't pissed away, we haven't had another 9/11 for a reason. How about two years of military service for two years of a trade school or community college?

Now, you know perfectly well that we simply CANNOT demand ANY hint of responsibility from these skulls full of mush.

 

[hadit]

Obama President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College

President Barack Obama announced a proposal Thursday to provide two years of free community-college tuition to American students who maintain good grades.

He also said that this plan will save at least 3.800$ per year, it means that student should continue working, because this plan will not give them: food, clothing and house! What for this circus? I don't know!

So he will give extra funding to the golden apples, who would pass and get a job anyway. While the rest that community colleges are meant to be there for have to pack their bags, as the government attempts to make them as elitist as Harvard.

What this means is that community colleges will accept only students that get the government hand out for 'good grades' or those that can pay upfront.

Once again 'good intentions' of government is destroying American education, just like common core. Thanks Obama, for keeping the poor and struggling students out of education.

Community colleges generally have no academic requirements for admission other than graduation from high school and in some states even that is not required.

Yep, but incentivizing a school or university towards a particular group of well performing students rather than increasing funding for poorly performing students at the same time - will give them even less of an excuse to bother about the 'bad eggs' and just let them fail. And when they fail, taxpayers have to suffer the bill - as well as the social costs that come with having more people debt ridden and unemployed.

Does giving a student who simply cannot and will not perform well in school a diploma he/she did not earn actually help that student OR society?

 

[hadit]

Just more pandering by the Marxist in chief. This proposal will go nowhere and he knows that. It's just a trap he's setting to beat the Republicans with because he knows they won't go along with it.

Could be, could be indeed from the political dynamic standpoint. Hey that's purty smart, you been ta school, boy?

Yes, very much puts the opposition between a rock and a hard place, because now they have to make the argument on why education is a bad thing. At best they'll prolly sputter the old standby "will never work", as we've already heard from one of the deeper wags in this thread.

But there's never anything wrong with proposing an ideal and suggesting "what if". That's how improvements eventually get done.

You're right, it does put the opposition between a rock and a hard place, but only because #1: The "opposition" (ie: Republican party) doesn't have anyone who can concisely and clearly explain their position, and #2: the media spins every message so far to the left.

Nobody is arguing "education is a bad thing." Just like nobody is arguing that food, housing, cell phones, transportation, etc (ad nauseum) are "bad things". However when some of us have to provide all of these things for other people, and those people get them for "free", it devalues those things.

Look at the areas that have "free housing". Do you want to live next door?

Once again....

Making food, housing, cellphones, transportation etc available to the masses doesn't directly benefit the community as a whole, i.e. they don't produce a more productive citizen. That's why this comparison is still apples and oranges.

Look at it this way: a society handing out free stuff that benefits nobody but the recipient is just handing out free stuff. A society investing in educating its own is investing in itself.

Additional education benefits no one?

On the contrary it benefits everyone -- the greater whole, the community at large. That's my whole point.

ONLY if the students actually get an education. Make it "free", and if you think too many students party too much and don't learn anything in college today....

 

[hadit]

You're right, it does put the opposition between a rock and a hard place, but only because #1: The "opposition" (ie: Republican party) doesn't have anyone who can concisely and clearly explain their position, and #2: the media spins every message so far to the left.

Nobody is arguing "education is a bad thing." Just like nobody is arguing that food, housing, cell phones, transportation, etc (ad nauseum) are "bad things". However when some of us have to provide all of these things for other people, and those people get them for "free", it devalues those things.

Look at the areas that have "free housing". Do you want to live next door?

Once again....

Making food, housing, cellphones, transportation etc available to the masses doesn't directly benefit the community as a whole, i.e. they don't produce a more productive citizen. That's why this comparison is still apples and oranges.

Look at it this way: a society handing out free stuff that benefits nobody but the recipient is just handing out free stuff. A society investing in educating its own is investing in itself.

Food, housing, communications, and transportation certainly does benefit the community as a whole, and investment in these things is indeed a good thing, just like investing in education.

However "investing" in these things should NOT mean giving them to people for FREE. That isn't good investing, because (once again....) it devalues the very thing we are invest in.

I'll ask you again. Do you want to live next door to the "free housing" areas??

Habitat for Humanity's sweat equity works for me.