Obama Seems Intent On Finally Closing Gitmo For Good

[candycorn]

we should keep it available to us either in the form or Gitmo or some other "black site".

But anyone who is there for more than 2 weeks or so should be on a track through our criminal or military justice system to either get a trial or a bus-ticket home.

No, I can't agree with that and no country has EVER agreed with that! If you let out soldiers fighting against you after two weeks, guess what they do? They get together and continue the war, of course, this time on YOUR territory! That's a lot of the problem with these guys: do they believe the war is over? Or not? We SURE don't want them here.

Yes, the "bus ticket home" didn't mean to Kalamazoo, it meant back to whatever 3rd world nowhere they came from. If they're found guilty, put them in Florence, CO and sell tickets to watching them suffer for all I care. But you're either guilty or innocent...

Prisoners of war NORMALLY spend four or more years in camps: that happened all over the world in WWI and WWII, thousands and tens of thousands, years. Our Civil War. Every war, prisoners spent years in prison camps, if prisoners were taken; they often weren't, of course. In the early days, they were just killed, too dangerous to enslave in the normal way. Millions killed by the Romans, up close and personal, with swords. And after that, they didn't have so much problem with the Gauls........"They create a wilderness and call it peace." Tacitus.

You really do have to wait till the war is completely over before you let them out!

And most of the prisoners you refer to were found on the battlefield, wearing the enemy uniform, etc....

In a war that will never end (I thought Bush said Mission Accomplished 10 years ago today in fact), I guess we can just keep them there forever, no trial....

 

[High_Gravity]

Alot of the inmates in Gitmo come from countries that don't want them back, that is a big issue too.

I was reading on another thread that a lot of that is Yemen: their prisons are a joke, 30 at a time escape at regular intervals, or are simply let out. So we can't send them back to Yemen if they are really dangerous. And a lot of the worse terrorists are in Yemen: that's why we keep drones flying all the time there trying to bomb people.

It is a problem. Some of them are ACTIVE warriors, not prisoners of war from a lost and gone war. Those we could let out. Yemenese are still fighting, however. Better keep them locked up. No force-feeding. That would be so....................unkind.

Saudi has a few bad actors they don't want back and China too, China does NOT want back their Chinese Muslims. They went on record saying if we return them they will execute them, you are right about Yemen though their prisons are a joke.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Good,

We should put anyone that wants to conduct terrorism to firing squad. Why should we be forced to hold them?

 

[Circe]

In a war that will never end (I thought Bush said Mission Accomplished 10 years ago today in fact), I guess we can just keep them there forever, no trial....

Okay. Let's do that. Keeping a few there will prime the pump should we need Gitmo again, and we probably will.

The reason I don't care about these guys, besides that they are enemies and would kill me and mine and you too as soon as look at us, is that they are NOT AMERICANS.

They are not Americans and so our laws don't apply to them. Now, that rotten Chechen kid they swore in as an American citizen in 2012, more fool us, does have to be tried in an American court the normal way. The only way to deal with that sort of thing is not to let these worthless Muslims in to start with, certainly not Chechens, for God's sake!!

Then they wouldn't be Americans and we can do as we like with them once they are so foolish as to decide they can win a war against the United States.

I think it's a terrible, terrible mistake not to know enemies when we see them and not to incapacitate them permanently as soon as we know who they are.

If we are sweet and sentimental and on their side, it just leads to us dying instead of them, and I'd rather our enemies die.

 

[blackhawk]

I have been hearing this for four years I should think he is more serious now why?

 

[hjmick]

I liked Leno's advice to Obama on closing Gitmo...

"Declare it a small business and tax it to death."


As to whether or not they close it, it doesn't much matter to me. Though I will say that, if we are going to hold these guys, I'd rather it be in Cuba...

 

[candycorn]

Alot of the inmates in Gitmo come from countries that don't want them back, that is a big issue too.

I was reading on another thread that a lot of that is Yemen: their prisons are a joke, 30 at a time escape at regular intervals, or are simply let out. So we can't send them back to Yemen if they are really dangerous. And a lot of the worse terrorists are in Yemen: that's why we keep drones flying all the time there trying to bomb people.

It is a problem. Some of them are ACTIVE warriors, not prisoners of war from a lost and gone war. Those we could let out. Yemenese are still fighting, however. Better keep them locked up. No force-feeding. That would be so....................unkind.

Saudi has a few bad actors they don't want back and China too, China does NOT want back their Chinese Muslims. They went on record saying if we return them they will execute them, you are right about Yemen though their prisons are a joke.

Not sure why we should become the world's prison....send them back and let Saudi/Chinese justice do their stuff.

 

[candycorn]

In a war that will never end (I thought Bush said Mission Accomplished 10 years ago today in fact), I guess we can just keep them there forever, no trial....

Okay. Let's do that. Keeping a few there will prime the pump should we need Gitmo again, and we probably will.

The reason I don't care about these guys, besides that they are enemies and would kill me and mine and you too as soon as look at us, is that they are NOT AMERICANS.

They are not Americans and so our laws don't apply to them. Now, that rotten Chechen kid they swore in as an American citizen in 2012, more fool us, does have to be tried in an American court the normal way. The only way to deal with that sort of thing is not to let these worthless Muslims in to start with, certainly not Chechens, for God's sake!!

Then they wouldn't be Americans and we can do as we like with them once they are so foolish as to decide they can win a war against the United States.

I think it's a terrible, terrible mistake not to know enemies when we see them and not to incapacitate them permanently as soon as we know who they are.

If we are sweet and sentimental and on their side, it just leads to us dying instead of them, and I'd rather our enemies die.

okay

 

[Crackerjaxon]

All wars on all nouns should be ended immedtiately. Does the president finally realize he's the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces? Why didn't someone tell him sooner?

Closing that atrocity was one of the few valid reasons to vote for him.

 

[ScienceRocks]

What makes holding terrorist wrong? O'yess, the fact that we're holding them...

Well, fill in the blanks.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I think he will?

Do you think he'll succeed?

Do you want him to be successful in that endeavor?

he should have done that during his first term Marc.....just sayin....

 

[Harry Dresden]

As long as we are still fighting a war on terror I say leave it open.

good point....

 

[Lovebears65]

Obama has been trying to close it for years.

The republicans fight every effort

Bullshit, Cant blame the REP. He had control of the and senate when he came into office. He could have closed it then

 

[MarcATL]

I think he will?

Do you think he'll succeed?

Do you want him to be successful in that endeavor?

You need to broaden the point.

Closing the prison is one thing. I don't think it should be closed "persay" (sp?). If we need a temporary facility to hold persons who have committed extra-legal or persumably extra-legal acts of violence; we should keep it available to us either in the form or Gitmo or some other "black site".

But anyone who is there for more than 2 weeks or so should be on a track through our criminal or military justice system to either get a trial or a bus-ticket home.

Could you imagine being locked up and the warden saying "We'll get to you when we get to you?" We have more people in jail than nearly anyone else at any other time in the history of the world...we're very good at keeping people behind bars. We don't need to go rogue and think of other ways to persecute people.

As it stands right now, Gitmo is just a limbo where people go to rot and be treated abusively, sometimes even torture, at least under Bush 'n' Co.

No trials take place, no convictions have occured, nothing...it's only serving as one of the main factors that are currently increasing the recruitement and radicalization of Muslims to terrorists.

My question is specific to Gitmo, not some excuse to let wrong-doers off.

That much has been proven.

Something has to be done, but what we are doing currently in/with Gitmo is not it.

 

[kwc57]

I think he will?

Do you think he'll succeed?

Do you want him to be successful in that endeavor?

You need to broaden the point.

Closing the prison is one thing. I don't think it should be closed "persay" (sp?). If we need a temporary facility to hold persons who have committed extra-legal or persumably extra-legal acts of violence; we should keep it available to us either in the form or Gitmo or some other "black site".

But anyone who is there for more than 2 weeks or so should be on a track through our criminal or military justice system to either get a trial or a bus-ticket home.

Could you imagine being locked up and the warden saying "We'll get to you when we get to you?" We have more people in jail than nearly anyone else at any other time in the history of the world...we're very good at keeping people behind bars. We don't need to go rogue and think of other ways to persecute people.

As it stands right now, Gitmo is just a limbo where people go to rot and be treated abusively, sometimes even torture, at least under Bush 'n' Co.

No trials take place, no convictions have occured, nothing...it's only serving as one of the main factors that are currently increasing the recruitement and radicalization of Muslims to terrorists.

My question is specific to Gitmo, not some excuse to let wrong-doers off.

That much has been proven.

Something has to be done, but what we are doing currently in/with Gitmo is not it.

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[MarcATL]

I think he will?

Do you think he'll succeed?

Do you want him to be successful in that endeavor?

he should have done that during his first term Marc.....just sayin....

You are saying without saying.

So what do YOU want? Do YOU want Gitmo to close?

 

[MarcATL]

Obama has been trying to close it for years.

The republicans fight every effort

Bullshit, Cant blame the REP. He had control of the and senate when he came into office. He could have closed it then

Direct question...

Are YOU in support of Gitmo closing? Yes or no?

 

[Stephanie]

lol, as long as he seems "intent" like he has been for what, four years now? you Obamabots will let him slide for lying to you...

 

[Lovebears65]

Obama has been trying to close it for years.

The republicans fight every effort

Bullshit, Cant blame the REP. He had control of the and senate when he came into office. He could have closed it then

Direct question...

Are YOU in support of Gitmo closing? Yes or no?

Not until they are tried and put to death .. Where are we going to put them?? I sure dont want them to have the same rights as American citizen

 

[Harry Dresden]

I think he will?

Do you think he'll succeed?

Do you want him to be successful in that endeavor?

he should have done that during his first term Marc.....just sayin....

You are saying without saying.

So what do YOU want? Do YOU want Gitmo to close?

my question would be .....where would they stick these guys Marc?.....if they stick them in a federal pen.....how long would they survive?.....