Obama to Normalize Relations with Cuba

[kiwiman127]

Raul Castro said he is retiring in 2018, wonder whom 'they' (the Castros) have picked to replace him?

And I wonder who we have picked to replace him?

From the movement into policy enforcing, the heir apparent is Mariela Castro, Raul's daughter. She is worse that both her father and uncle. She is far more duplicitious. She has a degree is psychology and has certainly used her education to manipulate policy.

The point of normalizing relations with Cuba was to start laying the ground work for normalizing relationships with Iran. If obungle can eliminate sanctions on Iran, they will be able to make their weapons much faster and perhaps even better with American assistance.

Iran hails US-Cuba thaw as proof sanctions don t work - Yahoo News

Wrong.
Havana — Raul Castro announced Sunday that he will step down as Cuba's president in 2018 following a final five-year term, for the first time putting a date on the end of the Castro era. He tapped rising star Miguel Diaz-Canel as his top lieutenant and first in the line of succession.
Raul Castro to step down Who will run Cuba next - CSMonitor.com

What is the point of Diaz-Canel wanting to reduce imports?

That was the thought pre- the mutual overtures to stop the embargo. The game has changed now.

 

[Boss]

No "average worker" in any communist country is improving through capitalism. This is the most asinine notion there could ever be. They do not have free enterprise in communist countries. You go to work at the factory where the government tells you to, and you do your job the way they tell you to, and if you keep your mouth shut and don't cause any problems, you get your $1 at the end of the day and a bowl of rice. And that's what you can expect tomorrow and the day after that.

The communist government profits from the capitalist trade. More trade simply means greater demand for more productivity from the workers. They don't realize the profits, they just get to do all the extra work. The profits of capitalism all go to the State, and they spend most of it funding military entities who fight for more communism.

But hey... that's all perfectly fine with Liberals, they've elected a Commie president twice and would gladly give him a third term or even make him dictator for life, if they could. It's not surprising to see them celebrate this as some great accomplishment.

 

[Katzndogz]

Raul Castro said he is retiring in 2018, wonder whom 'they' (the Castros) have picked to replace him?

And I wonder who we have picked to replace him?

From the movement into policy enforcing, the heir apparent is Mariela Castro, Raul's daughter. She is worse that both her father and uncle. She is far more duplicitious. She has a degree is psychology and has certainly used her education to manipulate policy.

The point of normalizing relations with Cuba was to start laying the ground work for normalizing relationships with Iran. If obungle can eliminate sanctions on Iran, they will be able to make their weapons much faster and perhaps even better with American assistance.

Iran hails US-Cuba thaw as proof sanctions don t work - Yahoo News

Wrong.
Havana — Raul Castro announced Sunday that he will step down as Cuba's president in 2018 following a final five-year term, for the first time putting a date on the end of the Castro era. He tapped rising star Miguel Diaz-Canel as his top lieutenant and first in the line of succession.
Raul Castro to step down Who will run Cuba next - CSMonitor.com

What is the point of Diaz-Canel wanting to reduce imports?

That was the thought pre- the mutual overtures to stop the embargo. The game has changed now.

Because it pleases you to think so.

 

[kiwiman127]

No "average worker" in any communist country is improving through capitalism. This is the most asinine notion there could ever be. They do not have free enterprise in communist countries. You go to work at the factory where the government tells you to, and you do your job the way they tell you to, and if you keep your mouth shut and don't cause any problems, you get your $1 at the end of the day and a bowl of rice. And that's what you can expect tomorrow and the day after that.

The communist government profits from the capitalist trade. More trade simply means greater demand for more productivity from the workers. They don't realize the profits, they just get to do all the extra work. The profits of capitalism all go to the State, and they spend most of it funding military entities who fight for more communism.

But hey... that's all perfectly fine with Liberals, they've elected a Commie president twice and would gladly give him a third term or even make him dictator for life, if they could. It's not surprising to see them celebrate this as some great accomplishment.

Mapping China’s middle class
Generational change and the rising prosperity of inland cities will power consumption for years to come.

The explosive growth of China’s emerging middle class has brought sweeping economic change and social transformation—and it’s not over yet. By 2022, our research suggests, more than 75 percent of China’s urban consumers will earn 60,000 to 229,000 renminbi ($9,000 to $34,000) a year.1 1.All income figures refer to annual household disposable income, in real (2010) terms.

In purchasing-power-parity terms, that range is between the average income of Brazil and Italy. Just 4 percent of urban Chinese households were within it in 2000—but 68 percent were in 2012.2 2.Households in this income range, which we define as middle class, spend less than 50 percent of their income on necessities and display distinctive consumer behavior. In the decade ahead, the middle class’s continued expansion will be powered by labor-market and policy initiatives that push wages up, financial reforms that stimulate employment and income growth, and the rising role of private enterprise, which should encourage productivity and help more income accrue to households.3 3.For more, see “What’s next for China?,” January 2013. Should all this play out as expected, urban-household income will at least double by 2022.

Mapping China s middle class McKinsey Company

So as China's Middle Class gains wealth, the US Middle Class spins it's wheels and weakens.

The American Middle Class Hasn’t Gotten A Raise In 15 Years
In 1988, the typical American adult was 40 years old, white and married, with a high school diploma. If he was a man, he probably worked full time. If she was a woman, she probably didn’t.

Twenty-five years later, Americans are older, more diverse and more educated. We are less likely to be married and more likely to live alone. Work is divided more evenly between the sexes. One thing that hasn’t changed? The income of the median U.S. household is still just under $52,000.

The government’s release last week of income and poverty data for 2013 brought renewed attention to the apparent stagnation of the American middle class — not just since the financial crisis hit six years ago this month, but for much of the decade that preceded the crash. The report showed that the economic recovery has yet to translate into higher incomes for the typical American family. After adjusting for inflation, U.S. median household income is still 8 percent lower than it was before the recession, 9 percent lower than at its peak in 1999, and essentially unchanged since the end of the Reagan administration.
The American Middle Class Hasn t Gotten A Raise In 15 Years FiveThirtyEight

 

[Katzndogz]

China isn't Cuba. Cuba is more like North Korea. Both Cuba and North Korea are fifedoms run by a single family for the benefit of that family. China is run by a central committee according to a master plan.

Stop comparing Cuba and China when they aren't close to being the same.

 

[kiwiman127]

Raul Castro said he is retiring in 2018, wonder whom 'they' (the Castros) have picked to replace him?

And I wonder who we have picked to replace him?

From the movement into policy enforcing, the heir apparent is Mariela Castro, Raul's daughter. She is worse that both her father and uncle. She is far more duplicitious. She has a degree is psychology and has certainly used her education to manipulate policy.

The point of normalizing relations with Cuba was to start laying the ground work for normalizing relationships with Iran. If obungle can eliminate sanctions on Iran, they will be able to make their weapons much faster and perhaps even better with American assistance.

Iran hails US-Cuba thaw as proof sanctions don t work - Yahoo News

Wrong.
Havana — Raul Castro announced Sunday that he will step down as Cuba's president in 2018 following a final five-year term, for the first time putting a date on the end of the Castro era. He tapped rising star Miguel Diaz-Canel as his top lieutenant and first in the line of succession.
Raul Castro to step down Who will run Cuba next - CSMonitor.com

What is the point of Diaz-Canel wanting to reduce imports?

That was the thought pre- the mutual overtures to stop the embargo. The game has changed now.

Because it pleases you to think so.

A majority of Americans and the business sector wants what I want.

 

[kiwiman127]

China isn't Cuba. Cuba is more like North Korea. Both Cuba and North Korea are fifedoms run by a single family for the benefit of that family. China is run by a central committee according to a master plan.

Stop comparing Cuba and China when they aren't close to being the same.

And Raul Castro's heir apparent as the next leader of Cuba isn't a Castro. Next?

 

[Katzndogz]

From the movement into policy enforcing, the heir apparent is Mariela Castro, Raul's daughter. She is worse that both her father and uncle. She is far more duplicitious. She has a degree is psychology and has certainly used her education to manipulate policy.

The point of normalizing relations with Cuba was to start laying the ground work for normalizing relationships with Iran. If obungle can eliminate sanctions on Iran, they will be able to make their weapons much faster and perhaps even better with American assistance.

Iran hails US-Cuba thaw as proof sanctions don t work - Yahoo News

Wrong.
Havana — Raul Castro announced Sunday that he will step down as Cuba's president in 2018 following a final five-year term, for the first time putting a date on the end of the Castro era. He tapped rising star Miguel Diaz-Canel as his top lieutenant and first in the line of succession.
Raul Castro to step down Who will run Cuba next - CSMonitor.com

What is the point of Diaz-Canel wanting to reduce imports?

That was the thought pre- the mutual overtures to stop the embargo. The game has changed now.

Because it pleases you to think so.

A majority of Americans and the business sector wants what I want.

I am sure they do. They just won't get it. Cuba gets a vote and their vote trumps all the other votes. The regime doesn't want to make things better for the Cuban people. It's not important to have reliable electricity nice roads or comfortable homes. As long as the regime has those things they are happy. If a peon wants those things he's arrested and killed. That's the big trump card to hold.

It's optimistic to imagine that the Cuban people would get so fed up that they would throw this venous family out on their backsides. If the Cuban people could do that they would have done it by now. If the North Koreans could rise up they would have done it.

Perhaps a new leader would bring a new direction for Cuba but it's doubtful. Offered absolute power very few would change direction. It would take a total altruist who would walk away in an election. I don't see one.

 

[kiwiman127]

Wrong.
Havana — Raul Castro announced Sunday that he will step down as Cuba's president in 2018 following a final five-year term, for the first time putting a date on the end of the Castro era. He tapped rising star Miguel Diaz-Canel as his top lieutenant and first in the line of succession.
Raul Castro to step down Who will run Cuba next - CSMonitor.com

What is the point of Diaz-Canel wanting to reduce imports?

That was the thought pre- the mutual overtures to stop the embargo. The game has changed now.

Because it pleases you to think so.

A majority of Americans and the business sector wants what I want.

I am sure they do. They just won't get it. Cuba gets a vote and their vote trumps all the other votes. The regime doesn't want to make things better for the Cuban people. It's not important to have reliable electricity nice roads or comfortable homes. As long as the regime has those things they are happy. If a peon wants those things he's arrested and killed. That's the big trump card to hold.

It's optimistic to imagine that the Cuban people would get so fed up that they would throw this venous family out on their backsides. If the Cuban people could do that they would have done it by now. If the North Koreans could rise up they would have done it.

Perhaps a new leader would bring a new direction for Cuba but it's doubtful. Offered absolute power very few would change direction. It would take a total altruist who would walk away in an election. I don't see one.

Look, throughout this entire thread, you have posted inaccurate things as though they were fact about Cuba, only to find out you were wrong.
I don't think you can honestly grasp how much more the business sector with their eyes on Cuba, know about Cuba. Most of the Americans that support the normalization of Cuba would tend to be pragmatic. I would guess that your opposition is simply ideological with no thought or study of the issue. I don't think you've seriously studied the issue based on the inaccuracies throughout this thread.

 

[Katzndogz]

I'm a realist. I don't care about Cuba or any Cubans or any one who goes to Cuba.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Cuba is a clear and present danger to Americans. We need to keep them isolated. Normalize relations, and soon they will be walking the streets of Miami, hitting people over the head with stale Cuban sandwiches, and force feeding diabetics with raw sugar from sugar cane. They will quickly put the entire American cigar industry out of business. Instead of drinking bourbon, as god intended, they will introduce our children to rum and Coca-Cola. Soon, we will all be wearing fringe around our arms, beating drums, and singing, "Babalouuuuuuu!"

 

[Katzndogz]

I'm kinda hoping Cuba gets used as a delivery point for Russian agents.

 

[Katzndogz]

I'd say North Korean agents but if a North Korean got out they wouldn't be after anything more than a decent meal.

 

[Moonglow]

I'd say North Korean agents but if a North Korean got out they wouldn't be after anything more than a decent meal.

That's why Domino's pushed for normalized relation with Cuba...

 

[Katzndogz]

I'd say North Korean agents but if a North Korean got out they wouldn't be after anything more than a decent meal.

That's why Domino's pushed for normalized relation with Cuba...

If Dominos opens an outlet the regime will own the franchise.

 

[Calix]

Link up the Cuban vote? The Cubans hate the Castros. They aren't happy with this. obumble has removed the Cuban vote from democrats maybe forever.

The embago stays in any case. obumble will send a diplomat. Maybe one of his donors paid for the ambassadorship.

The older generation, yes. Their children and grandchildren are in the 21st century.

No necessarily their kids and Grandkids; they usually understand their elders' experience and share similar values/politics. The Cubans who are more open to establishing relations with the Cuban Regime, are Cubans from generations that were raised under the Regime. Most of these Cubans and their families, originally supported the Cuban Regime, but eventually became disillusioned. They prefer an opening, primarily because they still have close relatives on the island, would like to travel more often, and because they did not suffer the persecution that the older generation of Cubans suffered. After all, these Cubans went along with the plan until it became unbearable. And by the time they dissented, the Cuban Regime no longer had the teeth to treat them harshly.

 

[Flopper]

Boss and Timothy Alaska and Uncensored 2008 show their ODD syndrome in action.

Knee Jerk reactions all.

Investment and tourism will rapidly improve a situation that 60 years of stupidity have not.

Yeah
Nothing like rewarding a dictator and making him and his brother rich.

We made China, the largest human rights offender and largest communist country in the world, very rich..... what is the difference?

China actually has exports.

''China actually has exports''

Not without the outside world's businesses and entrepreneurs, to the extent that they do export... their factories were built by us...we had to be there to guide them, to teach them to make factories capable to make what we needed them to make for us, and we still do. And any USA business that manufactures over there has an office filled with American engineers overseeing everything...or it would not be done right.

Cuba, has an export, that certain American Corporations don't want in the market place, and that's sugar....10 to 1, our sugar industry does not want the competition of a free market place.

No, but we sure want their cigars.

 

[Flopper]

Link up the Cuban vote? The Cubans hate the Castros. They aren't happy with this. obumble has removed the Cuban vote from democrats maybe forever.

The embago stays in any case. obumble will send a diplomat. Maybe one of his donors paid for the ambassadorship.

The older generation, yes. Their children and grandchildren are in the 21st century.

No necessarily their kids and Grandkids; they usually understand their elders' experience and share similar values/politics. The Cubans who are more open to establishing relations with the Cuban Regime, are Cubans from generations that were raised under the Regime. Most of these Cubans and their families, originally supported the Cuban Regime, but eventually became disillusioned. They prefer an opening, primarily because they still have close relatives on the island, would like to travel more often, and because they did not suffer the persecution that the older generation of Cubans suffered. After all, these Cubans went along with the plan until it became unbearable. And by the time they dissented, the Cuban Regime no longer had the teeth to treat them harshly.

Surveys done by Florida International University show that Cuban Americans over 65 were strongly opposed to Obama's action to normalize relations while the majority of young Cuban Americans favored his actions.

 

[Boss]

I would like to again point out, the objection to having normalized diplomatic and trade relations with Cuba is not at issue with probably 90% of America, if we are talking about a free democratic Cuba.

I can't support capitalist trade with slave nations. Essentially, that's what Cuba is. If you do not have the basic human rights of democracy, you are not a free person. If every citizen can't have due process or free enterprise freedoms, they are not part of any capitalist transaction, and I can't support that or condone it.

 

[Flopper]

I would like to again point out, the objection to having normalized diplomatic and trade relations with Cuba is not at issue with probably 90% of America, if we are talking about a free democratic Cuba.

I can't support capitalist trade with slave nations. Essentially, that's what Cuba is. If you do not have the basic human rights of democracy, you are not a free person. If every citizen can't have due process or free enterprise freedoms, they are not part of any capitalist transaction, and I can't support that or condone it.

There will be no trade of any significance with Cuba until Congress lifts the embargo and approves trade treaties and we are years away from that happening. Normalizing relations just opens the door for discussion. The only thing our current policy with Cuba has done is solidify Castro's control and keep the people in poverty. After over 50 years of failure, it's time to at least consider a different path. Normalizing reactions with Cuba may accomplish nothing but it's far better than continuing the failed policy without at least discussing alternatives.