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Got elected twice to the presidency, so, yes, he is a good politician.

Got ACA passed, won the debt ceiling argument, and so forth, so, yes, he is a good politician.

That does not make him a good president.

No Fake, he's a great campaigner, but a crappy politician. He does not play well with others.
 
Got elected twice to the presidency, so, yes, he is a good politician.

Got ACA passed, won the debt ceiling argument, and so forth, so, yes, he is a good politician.

That does not make him a good president.

No Fake, he's a great campaigner, but a crappy politician. He does not play well with others.

Yes, he campaigns well, and, yes, he has had many successes in his four plus years, the ACA being the biggest one, and, so, yes, he is a good politician. That does not make him a good president.
 
Got elected twice to the presidency, so, yes, he is a good politician.

Got ACA passed, won the debt ceiling argument, and so forth, so, yes, he is a good politician.

That does not make him a good president.

No Fake, he's a great campaigner, but a crappy politician. He does not play well with others.

Yes, he campaigns well, and, yes, he has had many successes in his four plus years, the ACA being the biggest one, and, so, yes, he is a good politician. That does not make him a good president.

the ACA would be a success if premiumns did not go up as he promised they wouldnt; if people did not lose their insurance as he promised they wouldnt; if it did not add to the deficit as he promised it wouldnt.

Do you think it would have passed if those truths were known before hand?
 
Those are not "truths" as yet. Time will tell.

We are talking about being a politician: he is very successful.
 
Obama has been successful at dividing the country more than it already was, wasting taxpayers money on his green energy cronies, growing Government (ObamaCare) and running all over giving nothing but hate speeches..

A great politician? who cares

A good President, no friggen way
 
Yep. Good enough to defeat and overcome the most insidious, wide-spread, deliberate campaign of lies and distortions about a sitting President in our history. Good enough to ram his signature piece of legislation (ACA) through a resistant Congress and to make Boehner et. al. look like chumps on just about every issue.

Yeah...I'd say he's a pretty good politician, wouldn't you?

right, he got ACA passed when his party controlled both houses of congress, it was passed in the middle of the night on Christmas eve before anyone had time to read it. No discussion was allowed, no GOP amendments were allowed to be debated or voted on. It was rammed up our collective asses on a strictly partisan vote---------if you think this kind of politics is good for the USA, you are very confused.
Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and Carter tried to pass healthcare reform. Obama did it.
 
let out Polk and possibly Clinto and Eisenhower

CSPAN Poll
Abraham Lincoln
Franklin D. Roosevelt
George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Harry S. Truman
Woodrow Wilson
Thomas Jefferson
John F. Kennedy
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Lyndon B. Johnson

ABC poll
Abraham Lincoln (19%)
John F. Kennedy (17%)
Franklin D. Roosevelt (11%)
No opinion (10%)
Ronald Reagan (9%)
George Washington (8%)
Bill Clinton (7%)
Theodore Roosevelt (4%)
George H. W. Bush (4%)
Thomas Jefferson (3%)

Washington College poll
Abraham Lincoln (20%)
Ronald Reagan (15%)
Franklin D. Roosevelt (12%)
John F. Kennedy (11%)
Bill Clinton (10%)
Other/Don't Know (9%)
George W. Bush (8%)
George Washington (6%)
Theodore Roosevelt (3%)
Dwight Eisenhower (3%)

George Bush above George Washington :cuckoo:

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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