Obamacare just ruined my life

[daws101]

Why wouldn't medicare recipients like the medicare ponzi scheme? The only people that don't like ponzis are the ones that get left holding the empty bag at the end.

if you were correct and you're not, that would be the medicare recipients and not you.

Correct. I've got about 15years to go before I get to screw my children and grandchildren over by collecting on my ss/med checks.

really? funny... that would mean all this I love my country super patriot bullshit is just that....bullshit.
be a real american and don't take the SS money!
if you do then you'll be a socialist bootlicking toadie.

 

[RKMBrown]

Yeah, what part of fraudulent and swindle don't you get, except for the "I don't like it part"?

You do know what insurance is, right? Automobile, homeowners, flood, fire, business, liability? Do these terms ring any bells, except "I don't like it"?

You are some sort of retard......

The act makes it fraud, the swindle, is in the eye of the beholder, but clear nonetheless. The fact that SS/Medicare is an unfunded liability to the tune of many tens of trillions of dollars is absolute proof of my statements. The only thing keeping SS/Medicare afloat is the full faith and credit of current taxpayers. If this was a "corporate" pension plan kept afloat by corporate income, the corporation would have gone bankrupt and the corporate officers put in jail for fraud.

SS/Medicare is not insurance either. Insurance companies are required to keep assets on line to pay premiums. Insurance, other than retirement and ADD policies, are not investment schemes and have to go by certain guidelines, each of which are not met by the SS/Medicare ponzis.

translation: browneye has never had a job where SS was deducted!
or he's too egotistical to admit he's wrong.

I fully funded my SS/Medicare to the max payouts before I turned 35. I have a letter attesting to that fact. The fact that I'm gonna be screwed by being forced to pay 3-10 times more than I will ever withdraw from SS/Medicare is my point dufus. My paycheck is being stolen against my will to fund an asinine ponzi SS/Medicare system.

It's not my fault you are to stupid to understand just how shitty this crappy program is.

I put 7% of my salary into my 401k, always have. I'm a millionaire from it and the government, so far, can't touch it. I'm forced to put 15% into SS/Medicare. What a waste. Pissing money away.

 

[SteadyMercury]

So ponzi schemes are ok as long as there are laws to force everyone to join and pay for it no matter how many times the cost doubles over the decades?

Social security explains what your projected benefits will be with the caveat that it is an estimate and future legislation (or lack thereof) may impact the accuracy of their estimates. They are quite transparent in their reports on finances, actuarial estimations, and tracking related legislation.

A ponzi scheme is deceptive by definition (it is trying to convince people they are investing in something when they aren't) and thus opaque in operations. A completely different animal, and comparisons to the social security program are moronic.

 

[RKMBrown]

if you were correct and you're not, that would be the medicare recipients and not you.

Correct. I've got about 15years to go before I get to screw my children and grandchildren over by collecting on my ss/med checks.

really? funny... that would mean all this I love my country super patriot bullshit is just that....bullshit.
be a real american and don't take the SS money!
if you do then you'll be a socialist bootlicking toadie.

Taxes and Bullshit government programs are "American" and if you don't support them you are "anti-American?"

Are you some sort of communist dirt wipe?

 

[daws101]

The act makes it fraud, the swindle, is in the eye of the beholder, but clear nonetheless. The fact that SS/Medicare is an unfunded liability to the tune of many tens of trillions of dollars is absolute proof of my statements. The only thing keeping SS/Medicare afloat is the full faith and credit of current taxpayers. If this was a "corporate" pension plan kept afloat by corporate income, the corporation would have gone bankrupt and the corporate officers put in jail for fraud.

SS/Medicare is not insurance either. Insurance companies are required to keep assets on line to pay premiums. Insurance, other than retirement and ADD policies, are not investment schemes and have to go by certain guidelines, each of which are not met by the SS/Medicare ponzis.

translation: browneye has never had a job where SS was deducted!
or he's too egotistical to admit he's wrong.

I fully funded my SS/Medicare to the max payouts before I turned 35. I have a letter attesting to that fact. The fact that I'm gonna be screwed by being forced to pay 3-10 times more than I will ever withdraw from SS/Medicare is my point dufus. My paycheck is being stolen against my will to fund an asinine ponzi SS/Medicare system.

It's not my fault you are to stupid to understand just how shitty this crapy program is.

what I understand is you're a greedy fuck, how did nothing to stem the rising cost of medical care in this country....now that stupidity at it's finest.
like I said, if you're the patriot you dream you were then you'd refuse the money. but you won't and that makes you just as corrupt as the rest of us.

 

[RKMBrown]

So ponzi schemes are ok as long as there are laws to force everyone to join and pay for it no matter how many times the cost doubles over the decades?

Social security explains what your projected benefits will be with the caveat that it is an estimate and future legislation (or lack thereof) may impact the accuracy of their estimates. They are quite transparent in their reports on finances, actuarial estimations, and tracking related legislation.

A ponzi scheme is deceptive by definition (it is trying to convince people they are investing in something when they aren't) and thus opaque in operations. A completely different animal, and comparisons to the social security program are moronic.

Bullshit. It's the same damn thing. The only damn difference is, there is a law forcing you to bend over and take it up the ass.

 

[RKMBrown]

translation: browneye has never had a job where SS was deducted!
or he's too egotistical to admit he's wrong.

I fully funded my SS/Medicare to the max payouts before I turned 35. I have a letter attesting to that fact. The fact that I'm gonna be screwed by being forced to pay 3-10 times more than I will ever withdraw from SS/Medicare is my point dufus. My paycheck is being stolen against my will to fund an asinine ponzi SS/Medicare system.

It's not my fault you are to stupid to understand just how shitty this crapy program is.

what I understand is you're a greedy fuck, how did nothing to stem the rising cost of medical care in this country....now that stupidity at it's finest.
like I said, if you're the patriot you dream you were then you'd refuse the money. but you won't and that makes you just as corrupt as the rest of us.

Greedy?

It's my fucking money prick. You want my money be a fucking man and come get it. Stop hiding behind government guns. Come take it.

 

[daws101]

Correct. I've got about 15years to go before I get to screw my children and grandchildren over by collecting on my ss/med checks.

really? funny... that would mean all this I love my country super patriot bullshit is just that....bullshit.
be a real american and don't take the SS money!
if you do then you'll be a socialist bootlicking toadie.

Taxes and Bullshit government programs are "American" and if you don't support them you are "anti-American?"

Are you some sort of communist dirt wipe?

so taking money from a ponzi scheme is
patriotic.
the gop has been un american since the reagan years.
it's morphed into a theocracy and that's as un american as it gets.

 

[RKMBrown]

really? funny... that would mean all this I love my country super patriot bullshit is just that....bullshit.
be a real american and don't take the SS money!
if you do then you'll be a socialist bootlicking toadie.

Taxes and Bullshit government programs are "American" and if you don't support them you are "anti-American?"

Are you some sort of communist dirt wipe?

so taking money from a ponzi scheme is
patriotic.
the gop has been un american since the reagan years.
it's morphed into a theocracy and that's as un american as it gets.

It is a ponzi scheme, period. It needs to be ended, period. I would recommend writing a check to everyone for all the money they put into it, with an apology that it does not include an interest check. I agree the GOP is no better than the democrats.

 

[daws101]

I fully funded my SS/Medicare to the max payouts before I turned 35. I have a letter attesting to that fact. The fact that I'm gonna be screwed by being forced to pay 3-10 times more than I will ever withdraw from SS/Medicare is my point dufus. My paycheck is being stolen against my will to fund an asinine ponzi SS/Medicare system.

It's not my fault you are to stupid to understand just how shitty this crapy program is.

what I understand is you're a greedy fuck, how did nothing to stem the rising cost of medical care in this country....now that stupidity at it's finest.
like I said, if you're the patriot you dream you were then you'd refuse the money. but you won't and that makes you just as corrupt as the rest of us.

Greedy?

It's my fucking money prick. You want my money be a fucking man and come get it. Stop hiding behind government guns. Come take it.

thanks for proving my point.

 

[daws101]

Taxes and Bullshit government programs are "American" and if you don't support them you are "anti-American?"

Are you some sort of communist dirt wipe?

so taking money from a ponzi scheme is
patriotic.
the gop has been un american since the reagan years.
it's morphed into a theocracy and that's as un american as it gets.

It is a ponzi scheme, period. It needs to be ended, period. I would recommend writing a check to everyone for all the money they put into it, with an apology that it does not include an interest check. I agree the GOP is no better than the democrats.

if you're a constitutional conservative then you are the gop.

 

[RKMBrown]

what I understand is you're a greedy fuck, how did nothing to stem the rising cost of medical care in this country....now that stupidity at it's finest.
like I said, if you're the patriot you dream you were then you'd refuse the money. but you won't and that makes you just as corrupt as the rest of us.

Greedy?

It's my fucking money prick. You want my money be a fucking man and come get it. Stop hiding behind government guns. Come take it.

thanks for proving my point.

Fool. I work for my income, you take my income against my will, that's theft. SS/Medicare is therefore not just a ponzi scheme, it's theft.

 

[RKMBrown]

so taking money from a ponzi scheme is
patriotic.
the gop has been un american since the reagan years.
it's morphed into a theocracy and that's as un american as it gets.

It is a ponzi scheme, period. It needs to be ended, period. I would recommend writing a check to everyone for all the money they put into it, with an apology that it does not include an interest check. I agree the GOP is no better than the democrats.

if you're a constitutional conservative then you are the gop.

Not even close. On "rare" occasions I may agree with a small "portion" of the republican party plank. On some "rare" occasions I may agree with a small portion of the democrat party plank. Hell, you and I might even agree on something, some day. Shit, you might even change my mind on something. Stranger things have happened.

 

[RKMBrown]

Note: SS was created at a time in history when retirement plans were "parachute" pension based not cash based. The world has moved from pension systems that quickly become unfunded pension systems, to cash plans. It's past time for our federal system to move forward.

 

[SteadyMercury]

Bullshit. It's the same damn thing. The only damn difference is, there is a law forcing you to bend over and take it up the ass.

I already explained several differences, you are ignoring them because they aren't convenient to your argument.

 

[daws101]

Greedy?

It's my fucking money prick. You want my money be a fucking man and come get it. Stop hiding behind government guns. Come take it.

thanks for proving my point.

Fool. I work for my income, you take my income against my will, that's theft. SS/Medicare is therefore not just a ponzi scheme, it's theft.

really? I take your income? got any proof?
I've been on my own since I was 18 worked my way to a masters degree,own my own home.
I've never taken anything I've not earned.
as to taking your income against your will that's bullshit you fantasize about, so you can rationalise that you're being mistreated.
no one twisted your arm to pay into SS or taxes or put you in debtors prison for being late on the cable bill.
what a fucking drama queen!

 

[LoneLaugher]

Damn, Brownie......you sure seem upset.

 

[daws101]

It is a ponzi scheme, period. It needs to be ended, period. I would recommend writing a check to everyone for all the money they put into it, with an apology that it does not include an interest check. I agree the GOP is no better than the democrats.

if you're a constitutional conservative then you are the gop.

Not even close. On "rare" occasions I may agree with a small "portion" of the republican party plank. On some "rare" occasions I may agree with a small portion of the democrat party plank. Hell, you and I might even agree on something, some day. Shit, you might even change my mind on something. Stranger things have happened.

true..they let you breed.

 

[RKMBrown]

Bullshit. It's the same damn thing. The only damn difference is, there is a law forcing you to bend over and take it up the ass.

I already explained several differences, you are ignoring them because they aren't convenient to your argument.

Your so called differences were the equivalent of "it's not a ponzi" because I say "it's not a ponzi." Compare and contrast the financials of every ponzi in history, to SS. Then tell me how it's different.

 

[RKMBrown]

Damn, Brownie......you sure seem upset.

Not really. Just on a roll