Obamacare now hated by the unions. Scathing letter

[TemplarKormac]

Liberals. This is you. This is you on reality.

See the difference?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Just attack the messenger and pretend like the message isn't real.

Where did you learn that tactic Sallow? Grade school?

 

[thereisnospoon]

AFL-CIO

"The worst thing we could do is move backward by repealing the Affordable Care Act or its key provisions; privatizing Medicare or turning it into a voucher program; raising the Medicare eligibility age; increasing Medicare co-pays and deductibles or otherwise cutting Medicare benefits; or taxing employment-based health care benefits. "

Health Care

Deluded cons.
do you wish upon a falling star too?

That remark does not rise to the level of stupid

 

[Claudette]

Where are the libs to opine on this issue?

Opine on what?

Your claim is specious.

Even moreso given how much you hate Unions. And seeing this in Forbes is beyond laughable.

Dear Leader Reid and Leader Pelosi:

When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat. Right now, unless you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.

Like millions of other Americans, our members are front-line workers in the American economy. We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision.

Now this vision has come back to haunt us.

Since the ACA was enacted, we have been bringing our deep concerns to the Administration, seeking reasonable regulatory interpretations to the statute that would help prevent the destruction of non-profit health plans. As you both know first-hand, our persuasive arguments have been disregarded and met with a stone wall by the White House and the pertinent agencies. This is especially stinging because other stakeholders have repeatedly received successful interpretations for their respective grievances. Most disconcerting of course is last week’s huge accommodation for the employer community—extending the statutorily mandated “December 31, 2013” deadline for the employer mandate and penalties.

Time is running out: Congress wrote this law; we voted for you. We have a problem; you need to fix it. The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe. Perverse incentives are already creating nightmare scenarios:

First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees’ work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers’ hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits.

Second, millions of Americans are covered by non-profit health insurance plans like the ones in which most of our members participate. These non-profit plans are governed jointly by unions and companies under the Taft-Hartley Act. Our health plans have been built over decades by working men and women. Under the ACA as interpreted by the Administration, our employees will treated differently and not be eligible for subsidies afforded other citizens. As such, many employees will be relegated to second-class status and shut out of the help the law offers to for-profit insurance plans.

And finally, even though non-profit plans like ours won’t receive the same subsidies as for-profit plans, they’ll be taxed to pay for those subsidies. Taken together, these restrictions will make non-profit plans like ours unsustainable, and will undermine the health-care market of viable alternatives to the big health insurance companies.

On behalf of the millions of working men and women we represent and the families they support, we can no longer stand silent in the face of elements of the Affordable Care Act that will destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans.

We believe that there are common-sense corrections that can be made within the existing statute that will allow our members to continue to keep their current health plans and benefits just as you and the President pledged. Unless changes are made, however, that promise is hollow.

We continue to stand behind real health care reform, but the law as it stands will hurt millions of Americans including the members of our respective unions.

We are looking to you to make sure these changes are made.

James P. Hoffa
General President
International Brotherhood of Teamsters

Joseph Hansen
International President
UFCW

D. Taylor
President
UNITE-HERE

Union Letter: Obamacare Will ?Destroy The Very Health and Wellbeing? of Workers - Corporate Intelligence - WSJ

Of course Barry won't care because he doesn't need anyone to vote for him again.

The Union better hope and pray that he gives a shit about the Dem party cause if he don't they will be fucked along with the rest of us.

 

[g5000]

The unions have an ulterior motive for their fake opposition. Their reasons for being angry have absolutely nothing in common with what the Right has been saying about ObamaCare. They are seeking special treatment which involves a lot of taxpayer money. This letter is a tried and true tactic to acquire another taxpayer funded boondoggle.


I will explain:

There are two things butt-hurting the unions. One is easy to understand, the other is more nuanced.

1. Employers are cutting back working hours for their employees to avoid the employer mandate for full time employees. This is not what the unions are really upset about.

What they are really upset about is-

2. The Labor Management Relations Act of 1947 (a.k.a. Taft-Hartley) greatly curtailed the power of labor unions, but it also allowed for unions to establish health insurance funds through collective bargaining agreements.

ObamaCare establishes state health insurance exchanges. If you cannot get insurance from your employer, you must get it from a health insurance exchange (individual mandate, remember?). If you get your insurance through a health insurance exchange you are eligible for tax credits (subsidies) if you earn up to 400% of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL). The lower your income, the bigger your subsidy.

Taft-Hartley plans are provided through employment at a unionized workplace, and consequently union employees are not eligible for the FPL subsidies since they are not getting their health insurance through an exchange.

The unions want their members to be eligible for those taxpayer-funded subsidies, which in my personal opinion is bullshit.

 

[g5000]

I recommend you stop high fiving each other and slapping yourselves on the back. There is no victory here. There is no validation of the Right.

With this open letter, the union is turning up the arm twisting to get their taxpayer-funded boondoggle. So you better pay attention. Watch for legislation which will hand them this giant piece of pork.

If, and when, the unions get what they are demanding, they will go back to cheerleading for ObamaCare. And ObamaCare will become that much more costly to all of us.

 

[peach174]

It seems that the Unions should have listened to the 55% of Americans who were against the bill before it was passed and had been saying this all along, as one of the many reasons why the bill was and still is a stink bomb.
Maybe if they had read the Bill in the first place....... like the 55% of the American people who did.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

I recommend you stop high fiving each other and slapping yourselves on the back. There is no victory here. There is no validation of the Right.

With this open letter, the union is turning up the arm twisting to get their taxpayer-funded boondoggle. So you better pay attention. Watch for legislation which will hand them this giant piece of pork.

If, and when, the unions get what they are demanding, they will go back to cheerleading for ObamaCare. And ObamaCare will become that much more costly to all of us.

Of course they do, you're spot on here. But in doing so, they are pointing out what so many were saying form teh get go of this giant turd sandwich tax.

 

[peach174]

I recommend you stop high fiving each other and slapping yourselves on the back. There is no victory here. There is no validation of the Right.

With this open letter, the union is turning up the arm twisting to get their taxpayer-funded boondoggle. So you better pay attention. Watch for legislation which will hand them this giant piece of pork.

If, and when, the unions get what they are demanding, they will go back to cheerleading for ObamaCare. And ObamaCare will become that much more costly to all of us.

Seems that the left can't stand that the right is correct on many things.
We are not high fiving and slapping ourselves on the back. We are saying that this bill can not work period. We said it then and we are still saying it now.
We would actually be high fiving and slapping each other on the backs if this this bill is ever repealed or goes down in flames financially.

If they do that with the Unions, plus all the other things that are being done with pork in the bill, the bill will fall on it's own by not having the funds to support it.
People are not going to keep putting up with all this borrowing and money printing and special favors.

 

[g5000]

I recommend you stop high fiving each other and slapping yourselves on the back. There is no victory here. There is no validation of the Right.

With this open letter, the union is turning up the arm twisting to get their taxpayer-funded boondoggle. So you better pay attention. Watch for legislation which will hand them this giant piece of pork.

If, and when, the unions get what they are demanding, they will go back to cheerleading for ObamaCare. And ObamaCare will become that much more costly to all of us.

Seems that the left can't stand that the right is correct on many things.
We are not high fiving and slapping ourselves on the back. We are saying that this bill can not work period. We said it then and we are still saying it now.
We would actually be high fiving and slapping each other on the backs if this this bill is ever repealed.

If they do that with the Unions, plus all the other things that are being done with pork in the bill, the bill will fall on it's own by not having the funds to support it.
People are not going to keep putting up with all this borrowing and money printing and special favors.

I'm sure you have at your fingertips the right wing blogs which pointed out the Taft-Hartley problem and what a denied boondoggle it would be for unions.

The fact is, the Taft-Hartley thing adds no cost at all to anyone. So it is not breaking anyone's back. You people are cheering over a "problem" which does not exist.


The right wing blogosphere was bellyaching about "death panels" which did not exist. The unions are bitching about being denied a boondoggle.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I recommend you stop high fiving each other and slapping yourselves on the back. There is no victory here. There is no validation of the Right.

With this open letter, the union is turning up the arm twisting to get their taxpayer-funded boondoggle. So you better pay attention. Watch for legislation which will hand them this giant piece of pork.

If, and when, the unions get what they are demanding, they will go back to cheerleading for ObamaCare. And ObamaCare will become that much more costly to all of us.

Seems that the left can't stand that the right is correct on many things.
We are not high fiving and slapping ourselves on the back. We are saying that this bill can not work period. We said it then and we are still saying it now.
We would actually be high fiving and slapping each other on the backs if this this bill is ever repealed.

If they do that with the Unions, plus all the other things that are being done with pork in the bill, the bill will fall on it's own by not having the funds to support it.
People are not going to keep putting up with all this borrowing and money printing and special favors.

I'm sure you have at your fingertips the right wing blogs which pointed out the Taft-Hartley problem and what a denied boondoggle it would be for unions.

The fact is, the Taft-Hartley thing adds no cost at all to anyone. So it is not breaking anyone's back. You people are cheering over a "problem" which does not exist.


The right wing blogosphere was bellyaching about "death panels" which did not exist. The unions are bitching about being denied a boondoggle.

For over a year I have been saying this will hurt jobs. Which is exactly what this letter says DESPITE their motives.

 

[The T]

Does ANYONE besides the lemmings on USMB actually like this law?

Labor Unions: Obamacare Will 'Shatter' Our Health Benefits, Cause 'Nightmare Scenarios' - Forbes

If they do like it, they will fast change their minds if it is ever fully implemented.

From your link:


Labor unions are among the key institutions responsible for the passage of Obamacare. They spent tons of money electing Democrats to Congress in 2006 and 2008, and fought hard to push the health law through the legislature in 2009 and 2010. But now, unions are waking up to the fact that Obamacare is heavily disruptive to the health benefits of their members.

Now if Union members will remember what they experience with Ocare...and apply it every time they threaten to strike...Hmmmmm

 

[Greenbeard]

Does ANYONE besides the lemmings on USMB actually like this law?

Labor Unions: Obamacare Will 'Shatter' Our Health Benefits, Cause 'Nightmare Scenarios' - Forbes

Why would unions be upset by their members gaining access to decent, affordable insurance through other means? Maybe your article knows?

That gives workers less reason to join a union; a big part of why working people pay union dues is because unions play a big role in negotiating health benefits.

Ding-ding-ding!

 

[FA_Q2]

Does ANYONE besides the lemmings on USMB actually like this law?

Labor Unions: Obamacare Will 'Shatter' Our Health Benefits, Cause 'Nightmare Scenarios' - Forbes

Why would unions be upset by their members gaining access to decent, affordable insurance through other means? Maybe your article knows?

That gives workers less reason to join a union; a big part of why working people pay union dues is because unions play a big role in negotiating health benefits.

Ding-ding-ding!

That’s not what the unions are claiming though (not that they would claim such a thing). The claim is that they are upset because the bill does not offer them subsidies on healthcare plans that already exist and are not part of the new exchanges. IOW, you can’t keep your existing plans…

 

[Mac1958]

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The people who wrote this pig of a disaster of a law were either...

... aware of the damage it would do to businesses and employees and looking forward to having it replaced with Single Payer, or

... simply unable to comprehend, regardless of how obvious it was, how businesses would have to react to its ridiculous rules.

Which one is it?

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[Wyatt earp]

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The people who wrote this pig of a disaster of a law were either...

... aware of the damage it would do to businesses and employees and looking forward to having it replaced with Single Payer, or

... simply unable to comprehend, regardless of how obvious it was, how businesses would have to react to its ridiculous rules.

Which one is it?

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the 2nd one highly doubt the tards were smart enough to think of the 1st one.. lol

 

[Steven_R]

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The people who wrote this pig of a disaster of a law were either...

... aware of the damage it would do to businesses and employees and looking forward to having it replaced with Single Payer, or

... simply unable to comprehend, regardless of how obvious it was, how businesses would have to react to its ridiculous rules.

Which one is it?

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Or they knew exactly what the outcome would be and put the provisions in the bill for a reason. It was deliberate and intended to make such a mess of things that the American people would demand Single-Payer Healthcare.

 

[JoeBlam]

Building the XL leg of the Keystone Pipeline would also be union jobs, not to mention drilling ANWR and the shale deposits in the northern Rockies.....both projects the Teamsters would benefit greatly from.....but you must remember Barry has never driven a truck, punched a time-clock, put on a pair of boots and walked through a factory gate or mine in the morning. He's much more comfortable sipping a beverage and listening to career academics version of the whats and whatnots. He's buned every group that's ever supported the dimocRAT party multiple times and they're too self-absorbed to notice or embarrassed to mention it. Another year of this and the concept of impeachment becomes more feasible.