Obama's Gun Report Backfires--Guns Save Lives

[Spoonman]

ok, i just printed this sucker out. should be an interesting read. I read it on the commute home tonight

 

[FA_Q2]

In the end, gun control measures are counterproductive. Gun ownership increases, violent crime decreases. Mass shootings are negligable stats and no control schemes work effectively to stop them.

it's everything we already knew.

There is nothing left to say other than gun control advocates have exhausted their efforts. They have no ground for their advocacy what so ever. It's only emotional response and has absolutely no logical bearing on firearm ownership.

Just LOL. It must be fun to invent your own reality.

If increased gun ownership rates, decreases violent crimes, why are we not the safest nation in the world?

If control schemes can't impact mass shootings, how do you explain the results Austrlia has seen with mass shootings since their gun restrictions went in place?

Welcome back to reality.

Because how safe the nation is has a million other factors involved. It is why nations with higher gun ownership are both safer and less safe than we are and why nations with lower gun ownership also end up on both sides.

Gun ownership likely affects your safety less than most of those other factors. What it does affect is your ability to DEAL with those things that threaten you or your family. As for the rest of it, safety is far more tied into culture than anything else.

 

[Pete7469]

The 105,000 is on the first fucking page. GODDAM you people!

The 200,000 is not. It says there were twice as many injured compared to killed 73,505

you are claiming 105,000 americans were killed by firearms in 2010? what the hell are you smoking?

Actually, no.... he said that you had to be a moron, etc to dispute the claim of 105k gun-related murders in 2010 because "the 105,000 is on the first fucking page"

Absolute proof that he's either illiterate or a liar; the latter is certainly more likely.

I'm sure that stupidity is a major factor also.

 

[Spoonman]

In the end, gun control measures are counterproductive. Gun ownership increases, violent crime decreases. Mass shootings are negligable stats and no control schemes work effectively to stop them.

it's everything we already knew.

There is nothing left to say other than gun control advocates have exhausted their efforts. They have no ground for their advocacy what so ever. It's only emotional response and has absolutely no logical bearing on firearm ownership.

Just LOL. It must be fun to invent your own reality.

If increased gun ownership rates, decreases violent crimes, why are we not the safest nation in the world?

If control schemes can't impact mass shootings, how do you explain the results Austrlia has seen with mass shootings since their gun restrictions went in place?

Welcome back to reality.

actually he is right. gun ownership increases every year in the usa and gun related deaths have been declining. what he says is the reality. in fact, the rates of gun violence have decreased at the same rate as they have in countries with tough laws like the UK and Australia. those are the facts

 

[RDD_1210]

In the end, gun control measures are counterproductive. Gun ownership increases, violent crime decreases. Mass shootings are negligable stats and no control schemes work effectively to stop them.

it's everything we already knew.

There is nothing left to say other than gun control advocates have exhausted their efforts. They have no ground for their advocacy what so ever. It's only emotional response and has absolutely no logical bearing on firearm ownership.

Just LOL. It must be fun to invent your own reality.

If increased gun ownership rates, decreases violent crimes, why are we not the safest nation in the world?

If control schemes can't impact mass shootings, how do you explain the results Austrlia has seen with mass shootings since their gun restrictions went in place?

Welcome back to reality.

Because how safe the nation is has a million other factors involved. It is why nations with higher gun ownership are both safer and less safe than we are and why nations with lower gun ownership also end up on both sides.

Gun ownership likely affects your safety less than most of those other factors. What it does affect is your ability to DEAL with those things that threaten you or your family. As for the rest of it, safety is far more tied into culture than anything else.

Right, which is why his statement that "Gun ownership increases, violent crime decreases" is incorrect and a lazy generalization. Just like decreasing gun ownership won't be a silver bullet fix to making society safer. It will help but it's only one factor.

 

[Spoonman]

Just LOL. It must be fun to invent your own reality.

If increased gun ownership rates, decreases violent crimes, why are we not the safest nation in the world?

If control schemes can't impact mass shootings, how do you explain the results Austrlia has seen with mass shootings since their gun restrictions went in place?

Welcome back to reality.

Because how safe the nation is has a million other factors involved. It is why nations with higher gun ownership are both safer and less safe than we are and why nations with lower gun ownership also end up on both sides.

Gun ownership likely affects your safety less than most of those other factors. What it does affect is your ability to DEAL with those things that threaten you or your family. As for the rest of it, safety is far more tied into culture than anything else.

Right, which is why his statement that "Gun ownership increases, violent crime decreases" is incorrect and a lazy generalization. Just like decreasing gun ownership won't be a silver bullet fix to making society safer. It will help but it's only one factor.

would you agree that gun ownership has increase in the usa in the last decade? because the facts show it has. would you agree that the rate of deaths in the USA have decreased in the last decade? because the facts show they have. more guns = less deaths. those are the facts

 

[RDD_1210]

In the end, gun control measures are counterproductive. Gun ownership increases, violent crime decreases. Mass shootings are negligable stats and no control schemes work effectively to stop them.

it's everything we already knew.

There is nothing left to say other than gun control advocates have exhausted their efforts. They have no ground for their advocacy what so ever. It's only emotional response and has absolutely no logical bearing on firearm ownership.

Just LOL. It must be fun to invent your own reality.

If increased gun ownership rates, decreases violent crimes, why are we not the safest nation in the world?

If control schemes can't impact mass shootings, how do you explain the results Austrlia has seen with mass shootings since their gun restrictions went in place?

Welcome back to reality.

actually he is right. gun ownership increases every year in the usa and gun related deaths have been declining. what he says is the reality. in fact, the rates of gun violence have decreased at the same rate as they have in countries with tough laws like the UK and Australia. those are the facts

I love that you post "facts" that never are by supported by ANYTHING. I don't even have to guess, I know your post will contain a whole bunch of "facts" and absolutely nothing to support them.

It's almost as if you don't want to support anything you say with actual evidence. Wonder why that is.

 

[RDD_1210]

Because how safe the nation is has a million other factors involved. It is why nations with higher gun ownership are both safer and less safe than we are and why nations with lower gun ownership also end up on both sides.

Gun ownership likely affects your safety less than most of those other factors. What it does affect is your ability to DEAL with those things that threaten you or your family. As for the rest of it, safety is far more tied into culture than anything else.

Right, which is why his statement that "Gun ownership increases, violent crime decreases" is incorrect and a lazy generalization. Just like decreasing gun ownership won't be a silver bullet fix to making society safer. It will help but it's only one factor.

would you agree that gun ownership has increase in the usa in the last decade? because the facts show it has. would you agree that the rate of deaths in the USA have decreased in the last decade? because the facts show they have. more guns = less deaths. those are the facts

Would you agree that we have more guns than any other nation in the world?
Would you agree we are not the safest nation in the world?

Are you intentionally being obtuse?

 

[ClosedCaption]

The 105,000 is on the first fucking page. GODDAM you people!

The 200,000 is not. It says there were twice as many injured compared to killed 73,505

you are claiming 105,000 americans were killed by firearms in 2010? what the hell are you smoking?

Actually, no.... he said that you had to be a moron, etc to dispute the claim of 105k gun-related murders in 2010 because "the 105,000 is on the first fucking page"

Absolute proof that he's either illiterate or a liar; the latter is certainly more likely.

Quote it dude. Don't type it quote where I said that. You cant, you lie

 

[TakeAStepBack]

In the end, gun control measures are counterproductive. Gun ownership increases, violent crime decreases. Mass shootings are negligable stats and no control schemes work effectively to stop them.

it's everything we already knew.

There is nothing left to say other than gun control advocates have exhausted their efforts. They have no ground for their advocacy what so ever. It's only emotional response and has absolutely no logical bearing on firearm ownership.

Just LOL. It must be fun to invent your own reality.

If increased gun ownership rates, decreases violent crimes, why are we not the safest nation in the world?

If control schemes can't impact mass shootings, how do you explain the results Austrlia has seen with mass shootings since their gun restrictions went in place?

Welcome back to reality.

And yet still. Gun ownership increases and gun related violent crime decreases. Thats a fact. Whether or not there is a direct correlation, is another story entirely.

Control schemes do not stop mass shootings. CT had some of the strictest laws in the country controlling firearms and yet, there was a mass shooting. Australia has also had mass shooting post gun bans. Control, ban. Not the same. RThe results, however, are.

You're welcome.

 

[M14 Shooter]

you are claiming 105,000 americans were killed by firearms in 2010? what the hell are you smoking?

Actually, no.... he said that you had to be a moron, etc to dispute the claim of 105k gun-related murders in 2010 because "the 105,000 is on the first fucking page"

Absolute proof that he's either illiterate or a liar; the latter is certainly more likely.

I'm sure that stupidity is a major factor also.

Like all other anti-gun loons, he can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.
He, and they, prove this to be the case with every post.
They shoud be encouraged to keep up the good work.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Actually, no.... he said that you had to be a moron, etc to dispute the claim of 105k gun-related murders in 2010 because "the 105,000 is on the first fucking page"

Absolute proof that he's either illiterate or a liar; the latter is certainly more likely.

I'm sure that stupidity is a major factor also.

Like all other anti-gun loons, he can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.
He, and they, prove this to be the case with every post.
They shoud be encouraged to keep up the good work.

I'm such a liar you cant find the quote huh?

 

[RDD_1210]

In the end, gun control measures are counterproductive. Gun ownership increases, violent crime decreases. Mass shootings are negligable stats and no control schemes work effectively to stop them.

it's everything we already knew.

There is nothing left to say other than gun control advocates have exhausted their efforts. They have no ground for their advocacy what so ever. It's only emotional response and has absolutely no logical bearing on firearm ownership.

Just LOL. It must be fun to invent your own reality.

If increased gun ownership rates, decreases violent crimes, why are we not the safest nation in the world?

If control schemes can't impact mass shootings, how do you explain the results Austrlia has seen with mass shootings since their gun restrictions went in place?

Welcome back to reality.

And yet still. Gun ownership increases and gun related violent crime decreases. Thats a fact. Whether or not there is a direct correlation, is another story entirely.

Control schemes do not stop mass shootings. CT had some of the strictest laws in the country controlling firearms and yet, there was a mass shooting. Australia has also had mass shooting post gun bans. Control, ban. Not the same. RThe results, however, are.

You're welcome.

Holy fuck are you a professional punter? You should think about it.

Wow, your argument is now, Gun ownership has increased and gun related violent crime has decreased but now you're not willing to make a stand as to whether or not they're correlated. So why did you bring it up in the first place? It's obvious that there is not a direct correlation to be made and you know it, That's why you have no answer to why aren't we the safest country in the world.

And Australia has absolutely reduced the number of mass shootings through their gun laws, that's why you had to switch the topic to CT which I never once mentioned. Good for you though, you've impressed your G.E.D. conservative buddies who don't care about actual facts.

LOL. Hack.

 

[Spoonman]

Looks like cherry picking from the report

Have the whole report so that we can see its findings? Should be interesting

idk rightwinger. I'm a third of the way through this report already and i don't see any cherry picking. these are not the results obama hoped for.


interesting guns are used in self defense 10 times more than in an assault. guns do save lives

interesting also how much focus is put on deadly assault style weapons and mass shootings when the numbers are so low.

obama better bury this report or his gun grab is dead in the water. much like his economic recovery

 

[Spoonman]

Just LOL. It must be fun to invent your own reality.

If increased gun ownership rates, decreases violent crimes, why are we not the safest nation in the world?

If control schemes can't impact mass shootings, how do you explain the results Austrlia has seen with mass shootings since their gun restrictions went in place?

Welcome back to reality.

actually he is right. gun ownership increases every year in the usa and gun related deaths have been declining. what he says is the reality. in fact, the rates of gun violence have decreased at the same rate as they have in countries with tough laws like the UK and Australia. those are the facts

I love that you post "facts" that never are by supported by ANYTHING. I don't even have to guess, I know your post will contain a whole bunch of "facts" and absolutely nothing to support them.

It's almost as if you don't want to support anything you say with actual evidence. Wonder why that is.

are you really that clueless? i mean honestly

 

[RDD_1210]

Looks like cherry picking from the report

Have the whole report so that we can see its findings? Should be interesting

idk rightwinger. I'm a third of the way through this report already and i don't see any cherry picking. these are not the results obama hoped for.


interesting guns are used in self defense 10 times more than in an assault. guns do save lives

interesting also how much focus is put on deadly assault style weapons and mass shootings when the numbers are so low.

obama better bury this report or his gun grab is dead in the water. much like his economic recovery

LOL, bullshit you are. You read 40 pages in 20 minutes while posting at the same time? You people aren't even good liars.

 

[FA_Q2]

Just LOL. It must be fun to invent your own reality.

If increased gun ownership rates, decreases violent crimes, why are we not the safest nation in the world?

If control schemes can't impact mass shootings, how do you explain the results Austrlia has seen with mass shootings since their gun restrictions went in place?

Welcome back to reality.

Because how safe the nation is has a million other factors involved. It is why nations with higher gun ownership are both safer and less safe than we are and why nations with lower gun ownership also end up on both sides.

Gun ownership likely affects your safety less than most of those other factors. What it does affect is your ability to DEAL with those things that threaten you or your family. As for the rest of it, safety is far more tied into culture than anything else.

Right, which is why his statement that "Gun ownership increases, violent crime decreases" is incorrect and a lazy generalization. Just like decreasing gun ownership won't be a silver bullet fix to making society safer. It will help but it's only one factor.

That’s not entirely true. You can show cause and effect by using the same sample location before and after such laws are passed. I have never made that claim though because the data is not conclusive. With all the places that I have looked and the various gun control measures that have been put in place I have ultimately come to one conclusion: gun laws do virtually nothing. In that respect, the real debate is in weather or not to pass more restrictive gun laws and the data is a resounding no because it is never effective.

As far as gun rates saving lives, it is meaningless. Whether or not more guns will save people is irrelevant. The only real metric that means anything here is whether or not more gun LAWS will save lives and there is essentially no data to support that contention.

 

[Troubled_CA]

Australia has also had mass shooting post gun bans. Control, ban. Not the same. RThe results, however, are.
.

CARE TO PROVE THIS??

I doubt it somehow.

cons just make stuff UP.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Just LOL. It must be fun to invent your own reality.

If increased gun ownership rates, decreases violent crimes, why are we not the safest nation in the world?

If control schemes can't impact mass shootings, how do you explain the results Austrlia has seen with mass shootings since their gun restrictions went in place?

Welcome back to reality.

And yet still. Gun ownership increases and gun related violent crime decreases. Thats a fact. Whether or not there is a direct correlation, is another story entirely.

Control schemes do not stop mass shootings. CT had some of the strictest laws in the country controlling firearms and yet, there was a mass shooting. Australia has also had mass shooting post gun bans. Control, ban. Not the same. RThe results, however, are.

You're welcome.

Holy fuck are you a professional punter? You should think about it.

Wow, your argument is now, Gun ownership has increased and gun related violent crime has decreased but now you're not willing to make a stand as to whether or not they're correlated. So why did you bring it up in the first place? It's obvious that there is not a direct correlation to be made and you know it, That's why you have no answer to why aren't we the safest country in the world.

And Australia has absolutely reduced the number of mass shootings through their gun laws, that's why you had to switch the topic to CT which I never once mentioned. Good for you though, you've impressed your G.E.D. conservative buddies who don't care about actual facts.

LOL. Hack.

I cant answer a subjective and ridiculous question such as "the safest coutnry in the world". It's a mind numbingly stupid question. Even in this context. Going by the study and the questions to research, they do not know of a correlation. That doesn't mean one doesn't exist. What it also means is, despite a large increase in gun ownership (and control mechaniosms for firearms for that matter), gun related violence is, and has been, in decline. So clearly guns aren't the problem here. So controlling or banning them is irrelevant. Counterproductive even, given the study cited by another poster in the thread.

Australia - There is no correlation between mass shooting reduction and gun bans. There is, however, a cited correlation between gun bans and increased home invasions and violence. You want to put control with ban and then roll it all up nice and neat. Then you have the nerve to insult me for your lack of both making a point.

 

[RDD_1210]

actually he is right. gun ownership increases every year in the usa and gun related deaths have been declining. what he says is the reality. in fact, the rates of gun violence have decreased at the same rate as they have in countries with tough laws like the UK and Australia. those are the facts

I love that you post "facts" that never are by supported by ANYTHING. I don't even have to guess, I know your post will contain a whole bunch of "facts" and absolutely nothing to support them.

It's almost as if you don't want to support anything you say with actual evidence. Wonder why that is.

are you really that clueless? i mean honestly

Another post from Spoonman, another post without any source for his "facts".

Let's face it. The reality of the situation is, you're just not a smart person and never have been. There are plenty of people in this world that are smarter than I am, but you're not one of them. This much is clear at this point.

Every time and I mean every time you and I debate something, you lose. Simply because you refuse to list sources for any of the dumb shit you say. I don't know if you honestly expect anyone to believe the crap you say, I use to think there is no way you could honestly believe the nonsense you're saying. But I've come to realize that you actually probably do believe this shit and the reason is you're just not a smart person.

Not everyone can be intelligent, I realize that. I do believe everyone has something that they are good at. Unfortunately critical thought is not "your thing". Perhaps you're good at finger paints or maybe you make a really mean peanut butter and jelly sandwich......who knows. But you should probably figure out what is you are good at, because having a conversation that involves using your brain obviously isn't it.