Obama's Min. Wage = 27 Million/17% of Americans Get A Raise

[Mac1958]

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Interesting headline to the article linked in the OP:

Raising the Federal Minimum Wage to $10.10 Would Save Safety Net Programs Billions and Help Ensure Businesses Are Doing Their Fair Share

"Ensure that business are doing their fair share".

Wow.

Add another one to the list. Sure is good they didn't build that. It wouldn't be worth the effort.

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If someone is working for an employer at the maximum amount of hours the employer allows, doesn't that business owe it to the worker to pay them a wage they can live off of?

No, of course not. As everyone knows, the reason a business exists is to maximize shareholder value, not to put food on someone's table.

An employee is responsible for making sure their skills and effort make them worth more to their employer or another.

Yes, we have to raise MW's, since we have created an underclass via lowered standards and political correctness. But blaming this on an employer is absurd.

Let's not pretend that the Left is pro-employer. Business is nothing more than another cash register for the Left.

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So workers are just at the mercy of their employers? They don't deserve a living wage despite being a key factor in a business's shareholder value?

Workers exist as a mass production mechanism for the business. The business would exist without them, by plugging in someone else.

They are paid whatever their fair market value is. That is the only obligation of the business.

No American worker is "at the mercy" of their employer. Find another job. Improve your skills and find a better job. Start your own business.

How lucky we are to live in a country that (currently) allows such freedom.

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Why are you so convinced workers are being paid at market value?

There's never an efficient pricing mechanism. Some are paid more than they're worth, others paid less.

That's why it's so nice that we have the freedom to improve our skill sets - if we're not paid what we're worth here, we can look elsewhere.

For many, they're not worth what they think they are, and the market - usually - will rectify that by removing them when a better value presents itself.

If you want $20 an hour and someone else will do the same job just as well for $12, that's an easy call. Your value is not as high as you think it is.

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[Soggy in NOLA]

If all one can earn is what the minimum amount one can by law be paid is, well, 'nuff said.

 

[The Rabbi]

Given that only 4% of workers get min wage the subject title is wrong.
And how many people who would have been hired at 7.70 will not be hired at 10.00?

Your post is a non sequitur.
Reread the OP, 27million/17% of Americans earn less than $10.10 - now do you understand or do I need to write even m-o-r-e--s-l-o-w-l-y?

Do you have proof that employers that have more work/more skilled work to do than they can do themselves will not hire people to do that work? Or-----or are you just expressing your feeeelings?
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Its economics. You wouldnt understand.

 

[TooTall]

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Obama's Min. Wage = 27 million/17% of Americans Get A Raise...

...and-----and safety net programs save $7.6 billion

Now that voters have forced Republicans to govern, will Republicans surrender their values and submit to the will of 70% of Americans and raise the minimum wage to at least $10.10/hr?

.o

The minimum wage of $7.25 an hour comes to$ 290.00 a week for 40 hours. That is $15,080 a year. The average yearly wage in North Dakota where the minimum wage is $7.25 an hour is $48.000. Four counties have average yearly wage under $30,000 with the lowest being $26,611 a year. Raising the minimum wage to $10.10 would come to an average yearly income of $21,008. that is $5600 less than the average wage in the lowest wage county in the state.

 

[Vigilante]

RUSH: I hope Clarence in Philadelphia is still listening, reveling in his big victory out there. Clarence, you know what's gonna happen in all these states where the minimum wage was increased? Employers are gonna hire more and more illegal aliens off the books at lower wages. The minimum wage actually facilitates the hiring of illegals if we're gonna let 'em in the country, Clarence. Big win, huh?.....

Lib War Horse Hangs Hat on Minimum Wage - The Rush Limbaugh Show

 

[Billy000]

If someone is working for an employer at the maximum amount of hours the employer allows, doesn't that business owe it to the worker to pay them a wage they can live off of?

No, of course not. As everyone knows, the reason a business exists is to maximize shareholder value, not to put food on someone's table.

An employee is responsible for making sure their skills and effort make them worth more to their employer or another.

Yes, we have to raise MW's, since we have created an underclass via lowered standards and political correctness. But blaming this on an employer is absurd.

Let's not pretend that the Left is pro-employer. Business is nothing more than another cash register for the Left.

.

So workers are just at the mercy of their employers? They don't deserve a living wage despite being a key factor in a business's shareholder value?

Workers exist as a mass production mechanism for the business. The business would exist without them, by plugging in someone else.

They are paid whatever their fair market value is. That is the only obligation of the business.

No American worker is "at the mercy" of their employer. Find another job. Improve your skills and find a better job. Start your own business.

How lucky we are to live in a country that (currently) allows such freedom.

.

Why are you so convinced workers are being paid at market value?

There's never an efficient pricing mechanism. Some are paid more than they're worth, others paid less.

That's why it's so nice that we have the freedom to improve our skill sets - if we're not paid what we're worth here, we can look elsewhere.

For many, they're not worth what they think they are, and the market - usually - will rectify that by removing them when a better value presents itself.

If you want $20 an hour and someone else will do the same job just as well for $12, that's an easy call. Your value is not as high as you think it is.

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But if businesses exist to maximize profit workers are less and less at an advantage. Mobility nowadays is not anything like it used to be. Millions of people have no choice but to accept shitty paying jobs.

 

[Vastator]

No. The employer owes the employee, the rate of pay that they both agreed to... nothing more.

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Interesting headline to the article linked in the OP:

Raising the Federal Minimum Wage to $10.10 Would Save Safety Net Programs Billions and Help Ensure Businesses Are Doing Their Fair Share

"Ensure that business are doing their fair share".

Wow.

Add another one to the list. Sure is good they didn't build that. It wouldn't be worth the effort.

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If someone is working for an employer at the maximum amount of hours the employer allows, doesn't that business owe it to the worker to pay them a wage they can live off of?

 

[Claudette]

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Interesting headline to the article linked in the OP:

Raising the Federal Minimum Wage to $10.10 Would Save Safety Net Programs Billions and Help Ensure Businesses Are Doing Their Fair Share

"Ensure that business are doing their fair share".

Wow.

Add another one to the list. Sure is good they didn't build that. It wouldn't be worth the effort.

.

If someone is working for an employer at the maximum amount of hours the employer allows, doesn't that business owe it to the worker to pay them a wage they can live off of?

No, of course not. As everyone knows, the reason a business exists is to maximize shareholder value, not to put food on someone's table.

An employee is responsible for making sure their skills and effort make them worth more to their employer or another.

Yes, we have to raise MW's, since we have created an underclass via lowered standards and political correctness. But blaming this on an employer is absurd.

Let's not pretend that the Left is pro-employer. Business is nothing more than another cash register for the Left.

.

So workers are just at the mercy of their employers? They don't deserve a living wage despite being a key factor in a business's shareholder value?

Well trained and valuable workers are not at the mercy of anyone.

Yup and well trained and valuable workers are payed what they are worth.

The op seems to think everyone should be payed whether they are worth or not.

Of course he's a lefty idiot. What else is new??

 

[Billy000]

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Interesting headline to the article linked in the OP:

Raising the Federal Minimum Wage to $10.10 Would Save Safety Net Programs Billions and Help Ensure Businesses Are Doing Their Fair Share

"Ensure that business are doing their fair share".

Wow.

Add another one to the list. Sure is good they didn't build that. It wouldn't be worth the effort.

.

If someone is working for an employer at the maximum amount of hours the employer allows, doesn't that business owe it to the worker to pay them a wage they can live off of?

No, of course not. As everyone knows, the reason a business exists is to maximize shareholder value, not to put food on someone's table.

An employee is responsible for making sure their skills and effort make them worth more to their employer or another.

Yes, we have to raise MW's, since we have created an underclass via lowered standards and political correctness. But blaming this on an employer is absurd.

Let's not pretend that the Left is pro-employer. Business is nothing more than another cash register for the Left.

.

So workers are just at the mercy of their employers? They don't deserve a living wage despite being a key factor in a business's shareholder value?

Well trained and valuable workers are not at the mercy of anyone.

Yup and well trained and valuable workers are payed what they are worth.

The op seems to think everyone should be payed whether they are worth or not.

Of course he's a lefty idiot. What else is new??

Don't be a moron. 17 millilon people make less than 10 an hour. People have no choice but to accept shitty paying jobs.

 

[Claudette]

If someone is working for an employer at the maximum amount of hours the employer allows, doesn't that business owe it to the worker to pay them a wage they can live off of?

No, of course not. As everyone knows, the reason a business exists is to maximize shareholder value, not to put food on someone's table.

An employee is responsible for making sure their skills and effort make them worth more to their employer or another.

Yes, we have to raise MW's, since we have created an underclass via lowered standards and political correctness. But blaming this on an employer is absurd.

Let's not pretend that the Left is pro-employer. Business is nothing more than another cash register for the Left.

.

So workers are just at the mercy of their employers? They don't deserve a living wage despite being a key factor in a business's shareholder value?

Well trained and valuable workers are not at the mercy of anyone.

Yup and well trained and valuable workers are payed what they are worth.

The op seems to think everyone should be payed whether they are worth or not.

Of course he's a lefty idiot. What else is new??

Don't be a moron. 17 millilon people make less than 10 an hour. People have no choice but to accept shitty paying jobs.

Moron? Yep thats you. How many of those 17 million are worth your ten bucks an hour?

I would venture to say not to many.

You and your living wage bullshit. People are payed what they are worth. If they don't like the pay they get another job.

Catch a clue you idiot.

 

[zeke]

Don't be a moron. 17 millilon people make less than 10 an hour. People have no choice but to accept shitty paying jobs.

Don't you just really like the hypocrite Republican assholes on here?
On the one hand they are real quick to say how there aren't any jobs out there, that there are MILLIONS more unemployed that the UE rate shows. that Obama has caused all the jobs to leave the USA etc etc.

But then the guy/woman needing ANY job available goes to work for MW and has a hard time providing the basics.

And the only response to that situation from these assholes is; let them go out and find another better paying job.

It's like the dumb fucks are to stupid to understand that IF there were better paying jobs out there for them, the person would have already taken it.

Amazing.

 

[skookerasbil]

LOL.........now they can go out and buy an extra tank full of gas/year!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

Don't be a moron. 17 millilon people make less than 10 an hour. People have no choice but to accept shitty paying jobs.

Don't you just really like the hypocrite Republican assholes on here?
On the one hand they are real quick to say how there aren't any jobs out there, that there are MILLIONS more unemployed that the UE rate shows. that Obama has caused all the jobs to leave the USA etc etc.

But then the guy/woman needing ANY job available goes to work for MW and has a hard time providing the basics.

And the only response to that situation from these assholes is; let them go out and find another better paying job.

It's like the dumb fucks are to stupid to understand that IF there were better paying jobs out there for them, the person would have already taken it.

Amazing.

The lament from somebody who thinks its the governments responsibility to provide careers to people!!!

The "dumb fucks" realize however that if you are a lazy dumb fuck who sets the bar as low as it can be, you should be making 10 bucks an hour. That's how it works. Far left assholes who read too much Plato and Hobbes look at the glass of life half empty................ALWAYS........and invariably supportive of the government having the right to pick winners and losers.

 

[Billy000]

No, of course not. As everyone knows, the reason a business exists is to maximize shareholder value, not to put food on someone's table.

An employee is responsible for making sure their skills and effort make them worth more to their employer or another.

Yes, we have to raise MW's, since we have created an underclass via lowered standards and political correctness. But blaming this on an employer is absurd.

Let's not pretend that the Left is pro-employer. Business is nothing more than another cash register for the Left.

.

So workers are just at the mercy of their employers? They don't deserve a living wage despite being a key factor in a business's shareholder value?

Well trained and valuable workers are not at the mercy of anyone.

Yup and well trained and valuable workers are payed what they are worth.

The op seems to think everyone should be payed whether they are worth or not.

Of course he's a lefty idiot. What else is new??

Don't be a moron. 17 millilon people make less than 10 an hour. People have no choice but to accept shitty paying jobs.

Moron? Yep thats you. How many of those 17 million are worth your ten bucks an hour?

I would venture to say not to many.

You and your living wage bullshit. People are payed what they are worth. If they don't like the pay they get another job.

Catch a clue you idiot.

Who the fuck decides they aren't worth paying over 10 an hour? Because businesses choose not to? You are such a retard. Businesses exist to maximize profit. They achieve this partially by paying employees as little as they can get away with. Due to inflation, the last time someone could live comfortably off 10 per hour was the 1970s.

I hope a day comes when you lose your job from being laid off and you are forced into a shitty paying job. Then we'll see how you feel.

 

[skookerasbil]

So workers are just at the mercy of their employers? They don't deserve a living wage despite being a key factor in a business's shareholder value?

Well trained and valuable workers are not at the mercy of anyone.

Yup and well trained and valuable workers are payed what they are worth.

The op seems to think everyone should be payed whether they are worth or not.

Of course he's a lefty idiot. What else is new??

Don't be a moron. 17 millilon people make less than 10 an hour. People have no choice but to accept shitty paying jobs.

Moron? Yep thats you. How many of those 17 million are worth your ten bucks an hour?

I would venture to say not to many.

You and your living wage bullshit. People are payed what they are worth. If they don't like the pay they get another job.

Catch a clue you idiot.

Who the fuck decides they aren't worth paying over 10 an hour? Because businesses choose not to? You are such a retard. Businesses exist to maximize profit. They achieve this partially by paying employees as little as they can get away with. Due to inflation, the last time someone could live comfortably off 10 per hour was the 1970s.

I hope a day comes when you lose your job from being laid off and you are forced into a shitty paying job. Then we'll see how you feel.

The lament from somebody who thinks its the governments responsibility to provide careers to people!!!
The "dumb fucks" realize however that if you are a lazy dumb fuck who sets the bar as low as it can be, you should be making 10 bucks an hour. That's how it works. Far left assholes who read too much Plato and Hobbes look at the glass of life half empty................ALWAYS........and invariably supportive of the government having the right to pick winners and losers. They have an expressed interest in herding the sheep

 

[skookerasbil]

Angry leftist jerkoffs loath business who exist for profit because they are failures in life who want to blame somebody else for them being a fuck up. That's how it works with the k00k left. You will notice that these people are miserable 24/7 and their solution is to see to the destruction of capitalism.


Dickheads like Zeke and Billy read too much Sir Thomas More.......and the other k00k social philosophers who never spent a moment applying any kind of economics to their utopian models.

Billy and Zeke need to buckle up their chinstraps and go out and make something of themselves instead of spreading misery and gheyness.

 

[Billy000]

Well trained and valuable workers are not at the mercy of anyone.

Yup and well trained and valuable workers are payed what they are worth.

The op seems to think everyone should be payed whether they are worth or not.

Of course he's a lefty idiot. What else is new??

Don't be a moron. 17 millilon people make less than 10 an hour. People have no choice but to accept shitty paying jobs.

Moron? Yep thats you. How many of those 17 million are worth your ten bucks an hour?

I would venture to say not to many.

You and your living wage bullshit. People are payed what they are worth. If they don't like the pay they get another job.

Catch a clue you idiot.

Who the fuck decides they aren't worth paying over 10 an hour? Because businesses choose not to? You are such a retard. Businesses exist to maximize profit. They achieve this partially by paying employees as little as they can get away with. Due to inflation, the last time someone could live comfortably off 10 per hour was the 1970s.

I hope a day comes when you lose your job from being laid off and you are forced into a shitty paying job. Then we'll see how you feel.

The lament from somebody who thinks its the governments responsibility to provide careers to people!!!
The "dumb fucks" realize however that if you are a lazy dumb fuck who sets the bar as low as it can be, you should be making 10 bucks an hour. That's how it works. Far left assholes who read too much Plato and Hobbes look at the glass of life half empty................ALWAYS........and invariably supportive of the government having the right to pick winners and losers. They have an expressed interest in herding the sheep

I never said anything about gov providing careers you dumbshit. You have no concept of today's economy. Millions of People have NO CHOICE but to accept shitty paying jobs. There are more shitty paying jobs than there is decent paying. That is what happens after a Great Recession.

 

[zeke]

What's the matter snookers. Truth of the situation to much for your fucked up mind to handle. If there were better paying jobs out there for the Walmart workers of the country, they would already have them.

Haven't you ever read where assholes like you are always going on about how the UE rate is SO much worse than reported? How Bill Clinton shipped all those good paying jobs out of the country. Or are you such a liar that now you will say no republican ever said that? Probably.

SO we get decent job creation in the lowest wage sector. And those wages allow for the employee to qualify for government assistance and assholes like you think all the low wage worker has to do is QUIT that nasty low pay job and go get them a good job. Like these workers CHOOSE to work for the lowest possible wages.

What the fuck is wrong with you aside from being an asshole?

 

[skookerasbil]

Yup and well trained and valuable workers are payed what they are worth.

The op seems to think everyone should be payed whether they are worth or not.

Of course he's a lefty idiot. What else is new??

Don't be a moron. 17 millilon people make less than 10 an hour. People have no choice but to accept shitty paying jobs.

Moron? Yep thats you. How many of those 17 million are worth your ten bucks an hour?

I would venture to say not to many.

You and your living wage bullshit. People are payed what they are worth. If they don't like the pay they get another job.

Catch a clue you idiot.

Who the fuck decides they aren't worth paying over 10 an hour? Because businesses choose not to? You are such a retard. Businesses exist to maximize profit. They achieve this partially by paying employees as little as they can get away with. Due to inflation, the last time someone could live comfortably off 10 per hour was the 1970s.

I hope a day comes when you lose your job from being laid off and you are forced into a shitty paying job. Then we'll see how you feel.

The lament from somebody who thinks its the governments responsibility to provide careers to people!!!
The "dumb fucks" realize however that if you are a lazy dumb fuck who sets the bar as low as it can be, you should be making 10 bucks an hour. That's how it works. Far left assholes who read too much Plato and Hobbes look at the glass of life half empty................ALWAYS........and invariably supportive of the government having the right to pick winners and losers. They have an expressed interest in herding the sheep

I never said anything about gov providing careers you dumbshit. You have no concept of today's economy. Millions of People have NO CHOICE but to accept shitty paying jobs. There are more shitty paying jobs than there is decent paying. That is what happens after a Great Recession.

Clearly......earning an extra buck or two and hour is going to pull these people out of the gutter and place them on easy street!!!

Make you feel better s0n??

 

[skookerasbil]

Anyway.........Bush and Obama got into bed with the big banks who now control all the markets

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