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So that means all Ukrainians hate Jews. Even the Jewish Ukrainians! Dismissed. This is completely off topic now.
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What point are we supposed to be getting here? You've got members of some far right Ukrainian political org incensed at a TV station broadcasting, presumably without condemndation, scenes of Putin annexing the Crimea. They accuse the station head of basically collaborating with the Russians.
OK, Bad reaction. Over-reaction. I can live with that. But to extrapolate that means the Ukrainians in charge are thugs is simply out of touch with reality.
You do realize that svoboda detest jews, germans and essentially anyone else not deemed All-Ukrainian, right?
Does that sort of thinking remind you of any potential historical events that may be best not repeated?
All Ukrainians detest Jews. It's in their mother's milk. I'm not arguing these guys are boy scouts. But when you get a broad based movement like this you get everyone who wants the present government out. And that can iinclude some pretty unsavory people. Yanukovich was not exactly a nice upright fellow himself.
Nonsense. You didn't have to go full Jew victim-hood on it. There have been Jewish roots in the country forever.
You realize that was a non sequitur, right?
The Ukrainians were enthusiastic supporters of the Final Solution, turning in Jews right and left during the occupation. Ukrainians actively participated in massacres against Jews.
I have spoken with elderly Ukrainian Jews and every one of them tells me the Ukrainians were jew haters, almost as bad as the Polish. Maybe worse.
So that means all Ukrainians hate Jews. Even the Jewish Ukrainians! Dismissed. This is completely off topic now.
Nonsense. You didn't have to go full Jew victim-hood on it. There have been Jewish roots in the country forever.
You realize that was a non sequitur, right?
The Ukrainians were enthusiastic supporters of the Final Solution, turning in Jews right and left during the occupation. Ukrainians actively participated in massacres against Jews.
I have spoken with elderly Ukrainian Jews and every one of them tells me the Ukrainians were jew haters, almost as bad as the Polish. Maybe worse.
Don't you mean the French?
So that means all Ukrainians hate Jews. Even the Jewish Ukrainians! Dismissed. This is completely off topic now.
Reductio ad absurdum fallacy noted.
I'll have to amend my sig line now to include narco-losertarians.
Rabbi Rules!
Your post is absurd. Ukrainian Jews are Jews, not Ukrainians. Ask any Ukrainian.So that means all Ukrainians hate Jews. Even the Jewish Ukrainians! Dismissed. This is completely off topic now.
Reductio ad absurdum fallacy noted.
I'll have to amend my sig line now to include narco-losertarians.
Rabbi Rules!
hardly, fella. I suggest you take a good, long, hard look at what you posted.
"All Ukrainians hate Jews. It's in their mother's milk."
Meanwhile in reality, there are Ukrainian Jews.
Absurd. I agree.
You realize that was a non sequitur, right?
The Ukrainians were enthusiastic supporters of the Final Solution, turning in Jews right and left during the occupation. Ukrainians actively participated in massacres against Jews.
I have spoken with elderly Ukrainian Jews and every one of them tells me the Ukrainians were jew haters, almost as bad as the Polish. Maybe worse.
Don't you mean the French?
No. The french could be pretty bad, look at Klaus Barbie. But nothng compared to Ukrainians, Croatians and Poles.
Your post is absurd. Ukrainian Jews are Jews, not Ukrainians. Ask any Ukrainian.Reductio ad absurdum fallacy noted.
I'll have to amend my sig line now to include narco-losertarians.
Rabbi Rules!
hardly, fella. I suggest you take a good, long, hard look at what you posted.
"All Ukrainians hate Jews. It's in their mother's milk."
Meanwhile in reality, there are Ukrainian Jews.
Absurd. I agree.
I am sure there are Ukrainians who are not anti semites. I might have seen both of them on TV once.
An attack on a Ukrainian rabbi over the weekend was a provocation, intended as a “justification for the continuation of Russian aggression” in Crimea, one Ukrainian Jewish leader asserted on Saturday.
Don't you mean the French?
No. The french could be pretty bad, look at Klaus Barbie. But nothng compared to Ukrainians, Croatians and Poles.
Seems we have a different understanding of events, especially where Poles are concerned:
"Some estimates put the number of Poles involved in rescue at up to 3 million, and credit Poles with saving up to around 450,000 Jews from certain death.[2] The rescue efforts were aided by one of the largest anti-Nazi resistance movements in Europe, the Polish Underground State and its military arm, the Armia Krajowa. Supported by the Polish government in exile, these organizations operated special units dedicated to helping Jews; of those, the most notable was Żegota."
"Polish citizens were hampered by the most extreme conditions in all of German-occupied Europe. Nazi-occupied Poland was the only territory where the Germans decreed that any kind of help for Jews was punishable by death for the helper and his entire family. Of the estimated 3 million non-Jewish Poles killed in World War II, up to 50,000 were executed by Nazi Germany solely as a penalty for saving Jews.[2] After the War most of this information was suppressed by the Soviet-backed regime in an attempt to discredit Polish prewar society and government as reactionary.[3]"
Rescue of Jews by Poles during the Holocaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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What point are we supposed to be getting here? You've got members of some far right Ukrainian political org incensed at a TV station broadcasting, presumably without condemndation, scenes of Putin annexing the Crimea. They accuse the station head of basically collaborating with the Russians.
OK, Bad reaction. Over-reaction. I can live with that. But to extrapolate that means the Ukrainians in charge are thugs is simply out of touch with reality.
You do realize that svoboda detest jews, germans and essentially anyone else not deemed All-Ukrainian, right?
Does that sort of thinking remind you of any potential historical events that may be best not repeated?
All Ukrainians detest Jews. It's in their mother's milk. I'm not arguing these guys are boy scouts. But when you get a broad based movement like this you get everyone who wants the present government out. And that can iinclude some pretty unsavory people. Yanukovich was not exactly a nice upright fellow himself.
Obama is responsible for another government?
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Told you so for days on end on what bad actors our leaders were backing.![]()
And so you see it is no stretch to see how Svoboda intimidated others to vote for the impeachment of the former President. And who wanted to strip Crimeans of their autonomy.
Man oh man, I can't wait to send this to all those in my government that supported this coup by these goons.
Sit down, you animal': Angry far-right politicians attack Ukraine TV chief and force him to write his own resignation letter
"There haven't been any anti-semitic attacks, not from Ukraine nationalist" Rabbi Yaakov Dov Bleik
"Bleik, largly considered the countries chief Rabbi (there are three others who claim the title) live in Kiev which has a Jewish population of some 65,000." TIMES OF ISRAEL MARCH 20, 2014
"I don't see any signs of anti-semitism in Ukraine; the only threat for the jews of Ukraine is coming from Russia" said Arseniy Finberg. TIMES OF ISRAEL MARCH 20, 2014
Told you so for days on end on what bad actors our leaders were backing.![]()
And so you see it is no stretch to see how Svoboda intimidated others to vote for the impeachment of the former President. And who wanted to strip Crimeans of their autonomy.
Man oh man, I can't wait to send this to all those in my government that supported this coup by these goons.
Sit down, you animal': Angry far-right politicians attack Ukraine TV chief and force him to write his own resignation letter
It's a state owned television channel. What does free speech have to do with who runs it? The government determines that, and the new government had every right to can the guy. He was obviously just a party apparatchik of the previous government. Getting rid of him was no different that getting Nazis out of German state controlled radio stations at the end of the WW II. Do you think the U.S attacked "freedom of speech" when it did that?
Told you so for days on end on what bad actors our leaders were backing.![]()
And so you see it is no stretch to see how Svoboda intimidated others to vote for the impeachment of the former President. And who wanted to strip Crimeans of their autonomy.
Man oh man, I can't wait to send this to all those in my government that supported this coup by these goons.
Sit down, you animal': Angry far-right politicians attack Ukraine TV chief and force him to write his own resignation letter
It's a state owned television channel. What does free speech have to do with who runs it? The government determines that, and the new government had every right to can the guy. He was obviously just a party apparatchik of the previous government. Getting rid of him was no different that getting Nazis out of German state controlled radio stations at the end of the WW II. Do you think the U.S attacked "freedom of speech" when it did that?
They beat him up. Hey if you are cool with that, who can counter you being ok with some one being beaten up and forced to resign.
BTW the individuals involved if you actually read the links had no power to remove him from his position. You are saying they had every right to can him. Go ahead find a who authorized the beating for the resignation? You won't be able to. These dudes in Svoboda are renegades. No one ordered them to do this.
This was plain old thuggery. Svoboda are goons.