Obama's Path Forward: Bypass Congress With Executive Actions

[Stephanie]

Congress is unable to function

Executive orders are the only way to get things done in our political environment. Obama should have started using them years ago

congress is broken? says who?

and we know you all said this when Bush was President

you people do love you little dictator Obama

 

[Antares]

So fuck the Constitution, we get it.

the minority of the minority party doesnt get to force their agenda down the majoritys throats.

The people are on Obamas side.

the republicans in congress?

not so much

 

[asaratis]

Congress is unable to function

Executive orders are the only way to get things done in our political environment. Obama should have started using them years ago

Let's see...the liberal agenda works like this:

Harry Reid kills all proposals from the Republican House by sending them to Senate committees...where they linger until dead.

Obama blames Congress for not getting anything done (when he should be blaming Harry Reid for sitting on all the bills and not bringing anything up for a vote).

Obama then claims he is doing the will of the people with his EOs.

With such good logic, how could he be criticized?

 

[g5000]

Here's how it works.

Congress writes a law establishing a regulatory authority to be created under the auspices of the Executive branch. Congress determines how the directors of the organization will be appointed, and how the agency will be funded, and what the broad scope of the agency will be.

Congress assigns the agency to create the regulations which will standardize the industry or sector of society under its purvue. If Congress wrote all the regulations, every bill would be thousands of pages long and would never pass.

So the Executive is given the direction in the legislation to create and manage the regulations.

Later, one Executive may decide to loosen the federal standards, while the next Executive may decide to tighten them.

The Executive may express his demands to loosen or tighten regulations in an order or directive to the agency in question.


Presto! No violation of the Constitution occurs, and yet weak-minded partisan scrubbing bubbles exclaim and exclaim!

Fun times.

 

[Antares]

EXECUTIVE ORDER 12949

- - - - - - -
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PHYSICAL SEARCHES

Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) of the Act, the
Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a
court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of
up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications
required by that section.

Executive Order 12949

Using G's analogy everything the President decides is ok.

 

[g5000]

EXECUTIVE ORDER 12949

- - - - - - -
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PHYSICAL SEARCHES

Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) of the Act, the
Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a
court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of
up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications
required by that section.

Executive Order 12949

Using G's analogy everything the President decides is ok.

Hey dipshit. The EO clearly says he is executing a law passed by Congress.

I warned you others have been caught not reading EOs. And now you can join that long list.

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution
and the laws of the United States, including sections 302 and 303 of the
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 ("Act") (50 U.S.C. 1801,
et seq.), as amended by Public Law 103- 359, and in order to provide for
the authorization of physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes
as set forth in the Act, it is hereby ordered as follows:

 

[g5000]

EXECUTIVE ORDER 12949

- - - - - - -
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PHYSICAL SEARCHES

Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) of the Act, the
Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a
court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of
up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications
required by that section.

Executive Order 12949

Using G's analogy everything the President decides is ok.

What do you think the part I bolded means?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

EXECUTIVE ORDER 12949

- - - - - - -
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PHYSICAL SEARCHES

Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) of the Act, the
Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a
court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of
up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications
required by that section.

Executive Order 12949

Using G's analogy everything the President decides is ok.

What do you think the part I bolded means?

Probably means it up to Eric Holder

(You're kidding, right?)

 

[Antares]

Hey dipshit, I've read it a hundred times, he is citing FISA as his basis for no allowing physical searches without a warrant for up to a year...I understand that you are learning impaired but seriousl do try and keep up.

Fisa had been in use for a decade and NEVER for warrantless physical searches, comprende kid? Billy stretttttched his authority with it.

I am betting you've never even heard of FISA kid

EXECUTIVE ORDER 12949

- - - - - - -
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PHYSICAL SEARCHES

Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) of the Act, the
Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a
court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of
up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications
required by that section.

Executive Order 12949

Using G's analogy everything the President decides is ok.

Hey dipshit. The EO clearly says he is executing a law passed by Congress.

I warned you others have been caught not reading EOs. And now you can join that long list.

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution
and the laws of the United States, including sections 302 and 303 of the
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 ("Act") (50 U.S.C. 1801,
et seq.), as amended by Public Law 103- 359, and in order to provide for
the authorization of physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes
as set forth in the Act, it is hereby ordered as follows:

 

[Antares]

Bingo!!!!!

executive order 12949

- - - - - - -
foreign intelligence physical searches

section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) of the act, the
attorney general is authorized to approve physical searches, without a
court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of
up to one year, if the attorney general makes the certifications
required by that section.

executive order 12949

using g's analogy everything the president decides is ok.

what do you think the part i bolded means?

probably means it up to eric holder

(you're kidding, right?)

 

[Antares]

Why don't you show in the FISA Act where it approvesWarrantless Physical searches Beav.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 12949

- - - - - - -
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PHYSICAL SEARCHES

Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) of the Act, the
Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a
court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of
up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications
required by that section.

Executive Order 12949

Using G's analogy everything the President decides is ok.

What do you think the part I bolded means?

 

[g5000]

Why don't you show in the FISA Act where it approvesWarrantless Physical searches Beav.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 12949

- - - - - - -
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PHYSICAL SEARCHES

Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) of the Act, the
Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a
court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of
up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications
required by that section.

Executive Order 12949

Using G's analogy everything the President decides is ok.

What do you think the part I bolded means?

What do you think the part I bolded means?

 

[g5000]

50 USC § 1822 - Authorization of physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes | Title 50 - War and National Defense | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute

There is the law cited in the EO, with the certifications required therein. Read it. Learn it. Dumbass.

 

[g5000]

Another dumbshit bites the dust.

 

[g5000]

Hey dipshit, I've read it a hundred times, he is citing FISA as his basis for no allowing physical searches without a warrant for up to a year...I understand that you are learning impaired but seriousl do try and keep up.

Fisa had been in use for a decade and NEVER for warrantless physical searches, comprende kid? Billy stretttttched his authority with it.

I am betting you've never even heard of FISA kid

Yo. Dipshit. If you really had heard of FISA then you would have known it was updated during Clinton's first term.

Thus the EO executing the new changes.

Idiot.

 

[g5000]

Hey dipshit, I've read it a hundred times, he is citing FISA as his basis for no allowing physical searches without a warrant for up to a year...I understand that you are learning impaired but seriousl do try and keep up.

Fisa had been in use for a decade and NEVER for warrantless physical searches, comprende kid? Billy stretttttched his authority with it.

I am betting you've never even heard of FISA kid

I am quite familiar with the battle over FISA during Clinton's first term. Especially concerning warrantless searches. I've quoted Reno's letter many, many times on other forums. Congress amended FISA to allow warrantless searches. Thus the EO executing that change.

The Supreme Court has never ruled on the constitutionality of FISA warrantless searches.

 

[g5000]

The point stands. The Legislature legislates, the Executive executes.

Nothing has been proved Obama is writing unconstitutional EOs, or is about to, although the CLAIMS he has are used as "evidence" later on down the road when the next bogus claim about unconstitutional EOs is made. "He's done it before".

Uh, no. He's never done it before. It was CLAIMED before. Never proven.

Clinton diversion noted.

 

[Antares]

That was quite the mental gymnastics on your part there kid......

But the Tell is that the Courts haven't taken it up yet, why is that?

Again using your "logic" the Prez can do anything he likes...but this time lets throw in Congress too......now get back to me when you can reconcile the 4th amendment with this EO.

My point stands, you think they can do anything they want......yes, yes you have bitten the dust kid.

Hey dipshit, I've read it a hundred times, he is citing FISA as his basis for no allowing physical searches without a warrant for up to a year...I understand that you are learning impaired but seriousl do try and keep up.

Fisa had been in use for a decade and NEVER for warrantless physical searches, comprende kid? Billy stretttttched his authority with it.

I am betting you've never even heard of FISA kid

I am quite familiar with the battle over FISA during Clinton's first term. Especially concerning warrantless searches. I've quoted Reno's letter many, many times on other forums. Congress amended FISA to allow warrantless searches. Thus the EO executing that change.

The Supreme Court has never ruled on the constitutionality of FISA warrantless searches.

 

[Antares]

Your own words hang you kid, the law restricted them from doing ssomething they wanted to so they changed the law.....exactly what I said kid.

 

[g5000]

That was quite the mental gymnastics on your part there kid......

But the Tell is that the Courts haven't taken it up yet, why is that?

Again using your "logic" the Prez can do anything he likes...but this time lets throw in Congress too......now get back to me when you can reconcile the 4th amendment with this EO.

My point stands, you think they can do anything they want......yes, yes you have bitten the dust kid.

Hey dipshit, I've read it a hundred times, he is citing FISA as his basis for no allowing physical searches without a warrant for up to a year...I understand that you are learning impaired but seriousl do try and keep up.

Fisa had been in use for a decade and NEVER for warrantless physical searches, comprende kid? Billy stretttttched his authority with it.

I am betting you've never even heard of FISA kid

I am quite familiar with the battle over FISA during Clinton's first term. Especially concerning warrantless searches. I've quoted Reno's letter many, many times on other forums. Congress amended FISA to allow warrantless searches. Thus the EO executing that change.

The Supreme Court has never ruled on the constitutionality of FISA warrantless searches.

A pathetic attempt to cover up the fact you thought there was no FISA law authorizing warrantless searches. I wish I could have seen your face after you asked and were shown the law. I gave you every chance to find it yourself when I asked you what you thought that bolded part meant. I bet your face was priceless.

The EO simply executed that law passed by Congress.

So thanks for reinforcing my statements about how such things work.

Whether the law itself is constitutional is a question about whether the law, created by CONGRESS, not the President, violated the Constitution.


Boy, you fools sure are throwing up a lot of smoke and mirrors to conceal your complete lack of evidence Obama has ever written an unconstitutional EO, or is about to.

Guess you thought you could just repeat the manufactured bullshit you've been fed without being challenged!