Obama's right

“If we, the West, step in beyond a supporting role - it will vindicate ISIS. ISIS, according to what I heard, is an Apocalyptic cult. If they can draw in the West, they will create the Apocalypse they desire. They will also draw sympathy to their cause because they will control the narrative and it's the same narrative that some here in the US are trying to propagate. The West vs. Islam.”

Exactly.

And the actions taken by ISIS – the beheadings, the burnings, and the propaganda videos – are specificity designed to lure Western nations, the United States in particular, into the conflict.

The president is indeed correct, and those who advocate sending American ground forces to 'defeat' ISIS are very much wrong.

I don't think Obama wants to tackle any problems he doesn't create himself.

If anyone wants to get away with anything now is the time. He's not gonna do anything. They could nuke Israel and he'd rationalise that worse things were done by Christians.

They could blow up NYC and he'd find an excuse not to act. He'd promise to bring the guilty to justice, then tee-off.
 
When was the last abortion clinic bombing.... there were muslim bombings today, would you like a partial list?

Can't answer the question?

Can't find out WHEN ONE OCCURED to see if anyone said anything! Shall we go back to the Crusades???

Still deflecting.

Still never answered my question, but you expect others to answers yours..

What question?

The one I asked twice...
 
coyote said:
This isn't a war against Islam.

The last words uttered by every culture that succumbed to Islam. But what the hell... what's 1400 years of subserviency to a perverse cult?




Hello Pubes,

We survived the perverse cult of Christianity and domesticated it. I anticipate the same for Islam.


Uh, you do realize how many years it took? Nearly a millennium.
 
coyote said:
This isn't a war against Islam.

The last words uttered by every culture that succumbed to Islam. But what the hell... what's 1400 years of subserviency to a perverse cult?




Hello Pubes,

We survived the perverse cult of Christianity and domesticated it. I anticipate the same for Islam.


Uh, you do realize how many years it took? Nearly a millennium.


Ya, but we're not starting at the same level.
 
Can't answer the question?

Can't find out WHEN ONE OCCURED to see if anyone said anything! Shall we go back to the Crusades???

Still deflecting.

Still never answered my question, but you expect others to answers yours..

What question?

The one I asked twice...

If you mean this question: So dictatorships are stable governments in your mind?

It was answered.
 
Can't find out WHEN ONE OCCURED to see if anyone said anything! Shall we go back to the Crusades???

Still deflecting.

Still never answered my question, but you expect others to answers yours..

What question?

The one I asked twice...

If you mean this question: So dictatorships are stable governments in your mind?

It was answered.

No about arming the Muslim nations..
 
We have so little clue about it that we toppled a stable government in Iraq and opened Pandora's box

So dictatorships are stable governments in your mind? So North Korea is a stable government, Libya under Kaddafi was a stable government, Saudi Arabia is a stable government..

Says a lot about you!

Dictatorships can be stable. That's not synonymous with "good".

Can you say with a straight face that Iraq is better off now then it was under Saddam?

Yes! As they have a choice instead of living in fear of what they say and think. Do you think Saddam would defend the Kurds?

Just like the far left propaganda from 2003 - 2009 showed, freedom of speech is not free..
 
Still deflecting.

Still never answered my question, but you expect others to answers yours..

What question?

The one I asked twice...

If you mean this question: So dictatorships are stable governments in your mind?

It was answered.

No about arming the Muslim nations..

Repeat it and I'll answer it. Unlike some, I don't have a problem with answering questions.
 
It also doesn't help that members of their faith killed 3000 people. It has a pretty bad rap as it stands. That stigma needs to be removed, not by us, but by them. However, right now, we are at war with Islam.

The problem isn't Islam. It's extremism. There have been many that speak up against it but they are ignored every time. We are not at war with Islam because we ARE Islam. We ARE Christian. We ARE every religion on earth. We are American.

It's Islamic Extremism. You can sit there and think members of Islam aren't involved. They are. Just look at their name. Islamic State In Syria/Libya. They kill in the name of Islam, not any other faith. I mean if you can link the Crusaders killing in the name of Christianity, then it's easy to say that ISIS is doing this in the name of Islam. Plain and simple.
All Christians at the time were a part of and behind the Crusades, are all Muslim behind and a part of ISIS'S Islamic extremism?

Try reading a little on ''just war theory''

and lastly, The Lord sayeth, ''Vengence is mine.''

Check your own history before question others..

Also comparing ISIS to the Catholics in the crusades is nothing more than political grandstanding..
Tell that to the PEOPLE who brought the crusades up and used it in their posts....can't you comprehend what you read?
 
It also doesn't help that members of their faith killed 3000 people. It has a pretty bad rap as it stands. That stigma needs to be removed, not by us, but by them. However, right now, we are at war with Islam.

The problem isn't Islam. It's extremism. There have been many that speak up against it but they are ignored every time. We are not at war with Islam because we ARE Islam. We ARE Christian. We ARE every religion on earth. We are American.

It's Islamic Extremism. You can sit there and think members of Islam aren't involved. They are. Just look at their name. Islamic State In Syria/Libya. They kill in the name of Islam, not any other faith. I mean if you can link the Crusaders killing in the name of Christianity, then it's easy to say that ISIS is doing this in the name of Islam. Plain and simple.
All Christians at the time were a part of and behind the Crusades, are all Muslim behind and a part of ISIS'S Islamic extremism?

Try reading a little on ''just war theory''

and lastly, The Lord sayeth, ''Vengence is mine.''

Check your own history before question others..

Also comparing ISIS to the Catholics in the crusades is nothing more than political grandstanding..
Tell that to the PEOPLE who brought the crusades up and used it in their posts....can't you comprehend what you read?

Obama is posting on this board?
 
Still never answered my question, but you expect others to answers yours..

What question?

The one I asked twice...

If you mean this question: So dictatorships are stable governments in your mind?

It was answered.

No about arming the Muslim nations..

Repeat it and I'll answer it. Unlike some, I don't have a problem with answering questions.

So you want to arm all these Muslim countries?
 
We have so little clue about it that we toppled a stable government in Iraq and opened Pandora's box

So dictatorships are stable governments in your mind? So North Korea is a stable government, Libya under Kaddafi was a stable government, Saudi Arabia is a stable government..

Says a lot about you!

Dictatorships can be stable. That's not synonymous with "good".

Can you say with a straight face that Iraq is better off now then it was under Saddam?

Yes! As they have a choice instead of living in fear of what they say and think. Do you think Saddam would defend the Kurds?

Just like the far left propaganda from 2003 - 2009 showed, freedom of speech is not free..

Saddam was no angel. I think we can agree on that.

However, what exactly is BETTER in Iraq now? ISIS controls about a third of Iraq and we all know how kind ISIS is. The government was riddled with favoritism, sectarianism and corruption. The sectarian bloodbath that followed our incompetent attempt at nation building probably claimed as many lives as Saddam did.

So, what exactly is better in Iraq NOW than it was under Saddam?
 
What question?

The one I asked twice...

If you mean this question: So dictatorships are stable governments in your mind?

It was answered.

No about arming the Muslim nations..

Repeat it and I'll answer it. Unlike some, I don't have a problem with answering questions.

So you want to arm all these Muslim countries?

No. Not all.
 
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Somehow I had a feeling you'd descend to cartoons eventually.

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We have so little clue about it that we toppled a stable government in Iraq and opened Pandora's box

So dictatorships are stable governments in your mind? So North Korea is a stable government, Libya under Kaddafi was a stable government, Saudi Arabia is a stable government..

Says a lot about you!

Dictatorships can be stable. That's not synonymous with "good".

Can you say with a straight face that Iraq is better off now then it was under Saddam?

Yes! As they have a choice instead of living in fear of what they say and think. Do you think Saddam would defend the Kurds?

Just like the far left propaganda from 2003 - 2009 showed, freedom of speech is not free..

Saddam was no angel. I think we can agree on that.

However, what exactly is BETTER in Iraq now? ISIS controls about a third of Iraq and we all know how kind ISIS is. The government was riddled with favoritism, sectarianism and corruption. The sectarian bloodbath that followed our incompetent attempt at nation building probably claimed as many lives as Saddam did.

So, what exactly is better in Iraq NOW than it was under Saddam?

The US government is riddled with favoritism, sectarianism and corruption, your point?

And the Iraqi people get a choice and they have a voice, do you want them to be slaves to their government again?

Saddam was a brutal dictator and would not have a problem with some "organization" like ISIS wiping out the Kurds..

ISIS is also in Syria (was an ally of Saddam)..
 

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