Obama's Subtle "You Didn’t Build That" Rhetoric

[Ame®icano]

If you missed President Obama’s 2014 State of the Union address or forgot about it as soon as he uttered the obligatory “God bless the United States of America,” you have at least this in common with your fellow Americans.

Stop lying about "you didn't build that".

"You didn't build that" refers to the infrastructure and subsidies atop which profit makers stand. Private corporations didn't initiate or pay for the satellite technology that came out of the Cold War Pentagon & NASA budgets. This was paid for by the public through tax dollars and seeded to private industry who uses it to make massive profits. The roads that move goods and consumers, also paid for by the public. Obama was referring to the fact that commerce has always been heavily state dependent. This is why our largest corporations have built a lobbying empire in Washington DC, the place where business goes to get no-bid access to the taxpayer's wallet. Corporations also benefit from the Patent system which puts a virtual monopoly fence around their investments. They didn't build that either, but they benefit from it - which means they owe a debt to the public taxpayer who makes their profit possible through their tax contributions.

Our most profitable corporation, Exxon, doesn't defend its oil fields in the middle east. This is done by government military employees at the taxpayer's expense. The phrase "Exxon didn't build that" means that Exxon investors don't die protecting Exxon's oil fields. To the contrary, the company owes a massive debt to the public taxpayer and government workers who ensure the reliable delivery of their profit cow.

Stop lying.

When you say "paid for by the public", maybe you could also explain where that "public" money came from?

 

[Listening]

Private Navy?


You know how much it costs to provide a single ship?

Yes.

What was your point ?

The sillyness isn't the cost. It's that whose going to control it and under what regulations will it operate. What happens if it clashes with the Chinese ? Who does China declare war on.

Bill Clinton shut down very effective mercinaries in Africa because of the political ramifications.

Enough Billionaires pull together and you'd have enought ships to protect shipping lanes.

Like hell you would

A single Destroyer costs about a billion dollars just to build and outfit with weapons systems. Not counting what it costs to man and deploy

So, you're saying that a group couldn't pull together a billion dollars if they needed to ?

Are you really that stupid ?

Oh, and let's not forget. This would not be run by the same people who bought the website for Obamacare. I often wondered what a private ship would cost if you didn't have the government involved.

But you keep trying.

 

[Listening]

Yes.

What was your point ?

The sillyness isn't the cost. It's that whose going to control it and under what regulations will it operate. What happens if it clashes with the Chinese ? Who does China declare war on.

Bill Clinton shut down very effective mercinaries in Africa because of the political ramifications.

Enough Billionaires pull together and you'd have enought ships to protect shipping lanes.

Like hell you would

A single Destroyer costs about a billion dollars just to build and outfit with weapons systems. Not counting what it costs to man and deploy

A single Carriar cost about 20 billion to build and a half a million a day to operate. They travel with a bunch of Destroyers. We maintain 11 Carriar Task Forces.

That's what we do for battle readiness.

The statement was made that these keep shipping lanes open. Carriers are used for the purpose ?

And thinking (look it up) that we need the same level of readiness to keep shipping lanes open isn't that smart.

You can't assume the government benevolently produces this stuff like CrummyCorn does. It is part of doing business and is reflected in your costs as you pay the taxes to do this.

Would anyone build ships just for this purpose...it is doubtful. Could they....

Sorry to tell some of you this, but the more wealthier libs in this world could build a significant navy and still be eating steak & lobster.

 

[rightwinger]

Yes.

What was your point ?

The sillyness isn't the cost. It's that whose going to control it and under what regulations will it operate. What happens if it clashes with the Chinese ? Who does China declare war on.

Bill Clinton shut down very effective mercinaries in Africa because of the political ramifications.

Enough Billionaires pull together and you'd have enought ships to protect shipping lanes.

Like hell you would

A single Destroyer costs about a billion dollars just to build and outfit with weapons systems. Not counting what it costs to man and deploy

So, you're saying that a group couldn't pull together a billion dollars if they needed to ?

Are you really that stupid ?

Oh, and let's not forget. This would not be run by the same people who bought the website for Obamacare. I often wondered what a private ship would cost if you didn't have the government involved.

But you keep trying.

You think you can keep the shipping lanes clear with a single billion dollar ship?

Are you really that stupid?

 

[Listening]

Like hell you would

A single Destroyer costs about a billion dollars just to build and outfit with weapons systems. Not counting what it costs to man and deploy

So, you're saying that a group couldn't pull together a billion dollars if they needed to ?

Are you really that stupid ?

Oh, and let's not forget. This would not be run by the same people who bought the website for Obamacare. I often wondered what a private ship would cost if you didn't have the government involved.

But you keep trying.

You think you can keep the shipping lanes clear with a single billion dollar ship?

Are you really that stupid?

Please show me where I said that ?

You just answered my earlier question.

 

[candycorn]

The government does these things at only 10 times the amount it should cost, yay gubment!

Without the gubment taking half their money, the rich could hire a private security force that would work better than the gubment at a much lower cost. Many have to have private security already even with the big bad gubment "protecting" them.

Your post is stupid.

The reason Apple and Dell are able to make $400 IPODs and $2,000 computers in Singapore and ship them over here is because the US Navy keeps those shipping lanes open. It also keeps the shipping lanes open for our exports as well.

If you think the "rich" could fund that, I'm sorry but you're IQ is approximately you shoe size.

Wrong again. The rich do fund it and they could do it with a private navy (and probably do pretty good at it since they'd likely use a lot of ex-USNavy folks.

Don't kid yourself. If there is money to be made....someone will figure it out.

And I'm just sure that Apple and Microsoft will be happy to use one another's warships.... Not only do you have no honor you welcher.....you have shit for brains.

 

[bripat9643]

"There is no such dichotomy as “human rights” versus “property rights.” No human rights can exist without property rights. Since material goods are produced by the mind and effort of individual men, and are needed to sustain their lives, if the producer does not own the result of his effort, he does not own his life. To deny property rights means to turn men into property owned by the state. Whoever claims the “right” to “redistribute” the wealth produced by others is claiming the “right” to treat human beings as chattel"-Ayn Rand

Why did Ayn Rand benefit from that same redistribution of wealth that she so hated?

Because the law said that she was entitled to benefit. Do you believe that critics of legislation should be excluded from receiving benefits if it passes? Or do they just get to pay the bill?

 

[bripat9643]

Yes.

What was your point ?

The sillyness isn't the cost. It's that whose going to control it and under what regulations will it operate. What happens if it clashes with the Chinese ? Who does China declare war on.

Bill Clinton shut down very effective mercinaries in Africa because of the political ramifications.

Enough Billionaires pull together and you'd have enought ships to protect shipping lanes.

Like hell you would

A single Destroyer costs about a billion dollars just to build and outfit with weapons systems. Not counting what it costs to man and deploy

A single Carriar cost about 20 billion to build and a half a million a day to operate. They travel with a bunch of Destroyers. We maintain 11 Carriar Task Forces.

It doesn't cost that much, you fucking moron. An entire carrier group might cost that much, but I doubt it.

Nimitz-class aircraft carrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The final carrier of the class, USS George H.W. Bush, was designed as a "transition ship" from the Nimitz class to the replacement Gerald R. Ford class. Bush incorporates new technologies including improved propeller and bulbous bow designs, a reduced radar signature and electronic and environmental upgrades.[36][37] As a result, the ship's cost was $6.2 billion, higher than that of the earlier Nimitz-class ships which each cost around $4.5 billion.[38]

So aircraft carriers can easily be built for $4.5 billion a piece - probably a lot less if private corporations were given a free hand and designed them with costs in mind.

 

[bripat9643]

Your post is stupid.

The reason Apple and Dell are able to make $400 IPODs and $2,000 computers in Singapore and ship them over here is because the US Navy keeps those shipping lanes open. It also keeps the shipping lanes open for our exports as well.

If you think the "rich" could fund that, I'm sorry but you're IQ is approximately you shoe size.

Wrong again. The rich do fund it and they could do it with a private navy (and probably do pretty good at it since they'd likely use a lot of ex-USNavy folks.

Don't kid yourself. If there is money to be made....someone will figure it out.

Private Navy?


You know how much it costs to provide a single ship?

You libturds keep telling us it's pocket change for the 1%. If they can pay for all the welfare ticks, then why wouldn't they be able to pay for a private navy?

 

[rightwinger]

Wrong again. The rich do fund it and they could do it with a private navy (and probably do pretty good at it since they'd likely use a lot of ex-USNavy folks.

Don't kid yourself. If there is money to be made....someone will figure it out.

Private Navy?


You know how much it costs to provide a single ship?

You libturds keep telling us it's pocket change for the 1%. If they can pay for all the welfare ticks, then why wouldn't they be able to pay for a private navy?

Or a private trip to the moon
Or their own cure for cancer

WTF...they are rich

 

[Camp]

Like hell you would

A single Destroyer costs about a billion dollars just to build and outfit with weapons systems. Not counting what it costs to man and deploy

A single Carriar cost about 20 billion to build and a half a million a day to operate. They travel with a bunch of Destroyers. We maintain 11 Carriar Task Forces.

It doesn't cost that much, you fucking moron. An entire carrier group might cost that much, but I doubt it.

Nimitz-class aircraft carrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The final carrier of the class, USS George H.W. Bush, was designed as a "transition ship" from the Nimitz class to the replacement Gerald R. Ford class. Bush incorporates new technologies including improved propeller and bulbous bow designs, a reduced radar signature and electronic and environmental upgrades.[36][37] As a result, the ship's cost was $6.2 billion, higher than that of the earlier Nimitz-class ships which each cost around $4.5 billion.[38]

So aircraft carriers can easily be built for $4.5 billion a piece - probably a lot less if private corporations were given a free hand and designed them with costs in mind.

Maybe I am a moron, but I am not the one using wikipedia and quoting old obsolete numbers.
If you want accurate information try going directly to official US Navy and or DoD sources.
The USS Gerald R. Ford was cristened on Nov. 9, 2013. The final cost of the newest carrier came to 13 billion. Add the cost of 90 aircraft such as the F-18 at 57 million each.
Future carrier cost will not go down. The cost will increase. A 20b cost for future carriers is a reasonable prediction and estimate.

 

[bripat9643]

A single Carriar cost about 20 billion to build and a half a million a day to operate. They travel with a bunch of Destroyers. We maintain 11 Carriar Task Forces.

It doesn't cost that much, you fucking moron. An entire carrier group might cost that much, but I doubt it.

Nimitz-class aircraft carrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The final carrier of the class, USS George H.W. Bush, was designed as a "transition ship" from the Nimitz class to the replacement Gerald R. Ford class. Bush incorporates new technologies including improved propeller and bulbous bow designs, a reduced radar signature and electronic and environmental upgrades.[36][37] As a result, the ship's cost was $6.2 billion, higher than that of the earlier Nimitz-class ships which each cost around $4.5 billion.[38]

So aircraft carriers can easily be built for $4.5 billion a piece - probably a lot less if private corporations were given a free hand and designed them with costs in mind.

Maybe I am a moron, but I am not the one using wikipedia and quoting old obsolete numbers.
If you want accurate information try going directly to official US Navy and or DoD sources.
The USS Gerald R. Ford was cristened on Nov. 9, 2013. The final cost of the newest carrier came to 13 billion. Add the cost of 90 aircraft such as the F-18 at 57 million each.
Future carrier cost will not go down. The cost will increase. A 20b cost for future carriers is a reasonable prediction and estimate.

What makes you think a private corporation would pay that kind of money for an aircraft carrier? With the US Navy, the skies the limit when it comes to cost. Corporations do a lot better job of getting value for their money.

 

[Doubletap]

"There is no such dichotomy as “human rights” versus “property rights.” No human rights can exist without property rights. Since material goods are produced by the mind and effort of individual men, and are needed to sustain their lives, if the producer does not own the result of his effort, he does not own his life. To deny property rights means to turn men into property owned by the state. Whoever claims the “right” to “redistribute” the wealth produced by others is claiming the “right” to treat human beings as chattel"-Ayn Rand

Why did Ayn Rand benefit from that same redistribution of wealth that she so hated?

Because the law said that she was entitled to benefit. Do you believe that critics of legislation should be excluded from receiving benefits if it passes? Or do they just get to pay the bill?

Rightwinger said:
"Why did Ayn Rand benefit from that same redistribution of wealth that she so hated?"
It certainly is not re-distribution. Re-distribution is seizing the earned money of some for the UNEARNED benefit of another.
Anyone can & should retrieve that which was forcibly obtained from them in the first place. And that includes You, Ayn Rand & anyone else.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Buisiness does not exist without the government

Businesses fund Government. Kennedy was the last liberal to get that and refused from demonizing them.

 

[Listening]

Your post is stupid.

The reason Apple and Dell are able to make $400 IPODs and $2,000 computers in Singapore and ship them over here is because the US Navy keeps those shipping lanes open. It also keeps the shipping lanes open for our exports as well.

If you think the "rich" could fund that, I'm sorry but you're IQ is approximately you shoe size.

Wrong again. The rich do fund it and they could do it with a private navy (and probably do pretty good at it since they'd likely use a lot of ex-USNavy folks.

Don't kid yourself. If there is money to be made....someone will figure it out.

And I'm just sure that Apple and Microsoft will be happy to use one another's warships.... Not only do you have no honor you welcher.....you have shit for brains.

Thanks Candy...

Sorry to demolish your point for you...(I'd sick Political Chick on you, but she's still wiping your blood off her hands from the last beating she gave you)....but this one was easy.

BTW: Whoever you paid for your education....ask for your money back.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Wrong again. The rich do fund it and they could do it with a private navy (and probably do pretty good at it since they'd likely use a lot of ex-USNavy folks.

Don't kid yourself. If there is money to be made....someone will figure it out.

And I'm just sure that Apple and Microsoft will be happy to use one another's warships.... Not only do you have no honor you welcher.....you have shit for brains.

Thanks Candy...

Sorry to demolish your point for you...(I'd sick Political Chick on you, but she's still wiping your blood off her hands from the last beating she gave you)....but this one was easy.

BTW: Whoever you paid for your education....ask for your money back.

there are already private navies

--LOL

SMC Capital China (?SMC3?)_Private navy goes to war on Somali pirates

 

[Bfgrn]

"There is no such dichotomy as “human rights” versus “property rights.” No human rights can exist without property rights. Since material goods are produced by the mind and effort of individual men, and are needed to sustain their lives, if the producer does not own the result of his effort, he does not own his life. To deny property rights means to turn men into property owned by the state. Whoever claims the “right” to “redistribute” the wealth produced by others is claiming the “right” to treat human beings as chattel"-Ayn Rand

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter


Ayn Rand, a textbook sociopath. Her ultimate hero was a serial killer...

There's something deeply unsettling about living in a country where millions of people froth at the mouth at the idea of giving health care to the tens of millions of Americans who don't have it, or who take pleasure at the thought of privatizing and slashing bedrock social programs like Social Security or Medicare. It might not be so hard to stomach if other Western countries also had a large, vocal chunk of the population that thought like this, but the U.S. is seemingly the only place where right-wing elites can openly share their distaste for the working poor. Where do they find their philosophical justification for this kind of attitude?

It turns out, you can trace much of this thinking back to Ayn Rand, a popular cult-philosopher who exerts a huge influence over much of the right-wing and libertarian crowd, but whose influence is only starting to spread out of the U.S.

One reason most countries don't find the time to embrace Ayn Rand's thinking is that she is a textbook sociopath. In her notebooks Ayn Rand worshiped a notorious serial murderer-dismemberer, and used this killer as an early model for the type of "ideal man" she promoted in her more famous books.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Your teacher teaches you the skills
Your military allows you the freedom to learn and advance
Your community pays the road taxes for people to get to your business.

So yes we as a society and that of a typical nation is a bunch of people working together.

 

[hazlnut]

If you missed President Obama’s 2014 State of the Union address or forgot about it as soon as he uttered the obligatory “God bless the United States of America,” you have at least this in common with your fellow Americans.

But in an election year it is useful to reflect on what Obama did in his address so you can anticipate how he might be selling his statism in the months to come.

Obama did not do what his PR folks had telegraphed to us, that is, hammer “inequality”—i.e., the need to steal from the makers to give to the takers—or, in leftist-speak, to make things “fair.” Oh, that goal was there in his policy prescriptions, but he wrapped redistribution in a rhetoric that would appeal to middle-of-the-spectrum Americans rather than hard-core expropriators.

Copyright. Link Each "Copy & Paste" to It's Source. Only paste a small to medium section of the material. Obama's Subtle "You Didn?t Build That" Rhetoric | The Atlas Society

Altlas Society.

A philosophy based on atheism and a pro-choice belief that feeding the sick and hungry "takers" hurts them because it's their own fault they got PTSD and were unable to cope. It's their own fault the factory closed and they could pick up and move the wife and five kids to God knows where they're hiring in a country that has gutted its manufacturing base.



Randroid.

 

[candycorn]

Wrong again. The rich do fund it and they could do it with a private navy (and probably do pretty good at it since they'd likely use a lot of ex-USNavy folks.

Don't kid yourself. If there is money to be made....someone will figure it out.

And I'm just sure that Apple and Microsoft will be happy to use one another's warships.... Not only do you have no honor you welcher.....you have shit for brains.

Thanks Candy...

Sorry to demolish your point for you...(I'd sick Political Chick on you, but she's still wiping your blood off her hands from the last beating she gave you)....but this one was easy.

BTW: Whoever you paid for your education....ask for your money back.

The "goddess"? Yeah sure send her back. The idea of a bunch of private navies and mercenaries patrolling the docks to secure goods....brought to you by the right wing nutjobs.

Honorless, powerless, clueless. You've won the triple crown.