Obama's wrong. Mass killings aren't uncommon in other countries

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

Yeah, but how often does that happen in France?

We have a couple of these incidents every year now in the US.

France has maybe one a decade...

There was a thread about this earlier, with a list of first world countries who have had mass killings since 2000. I think Germany had three and the other countries one or two. So as usual, I had to add a dose of reality to that thread as I will do for this one, too:

Mass shooting in the U.S,: 160 incidents between 2000 and 2013 according to the FBI.
FBI: A Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the United States Between 2000 and 2013
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/20...r-incidents-in-the-u.s.-between-2000-and-2013

Japan has a zero murder rate. That's 0 for those who think this is a typo. Japan is about as first world as you can get.
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths
A Land Without Guns How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - The Atlantic

The article you site in your post from the Atlantic uses David Kopels work on Japanese gun control...and he doesn't come close to saying what they say...I have posted about this before......the Atlantic is a great example of a gun control supporting journalist lying about the research they use.....

Japan has a low gun crime rate because they use police state tactics to keep the peace....

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/64kjgc.pdf

From your article:

"""Gun crime does exist, but in very low numbers. There were only 30 crimes committed in 1989 with shotguns or air rifles.17 With no legal civilian handgun possession, Japan experiences in an average year less than 200 violent crimes perpetrated with a handgun, of which almost all are perpetrated by Boryokudan, organised crime groups.18""

That's from 1989. It's even lower now.

WaPo also supports the zero rate, not just Atlantic.

The Japan lesson: Can America learn from the country that has almost zero gun deaths?
The Japan lesson Can America learn from the country that has almost zero gun deaths - The Washington Post


It's amazing that the right wingers just don't care about American iives...unless they're not born yet.

It has nothing to do with gun access...Japan is less violent and less criminal as a culture....nothing to do with guns...they suffer group embarrassment and humiliation to keep each other law abiding.....all crime is low in Japan.....

Robbery is almost as rare as murder. Indeed, armed robbery and murder are both so rare that they usually make the national news, regardless of where they occur.29 Japan's robbery rate is 1.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. The reported American rate is 220.9.30 People walk anywhere in Japan at night, and carry large sums of cash.31

Guess you forgot all about the passive act on Pearl Harbor by the Japanese many years ago. They threw water balloons because they don't believe in guns.

Your opinion doesn't count as fact, nor your conjecture. I have worked and lived in Japan and you're just coming off as another stupid American.

 

[bripat9643]

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

Yeah, but how often does that happen in France?

We have a couple of these incidents every year now in the US.

France has maybe one a decade...

There was a thread about this earlier, with a list of first world countries who have had mass killings since 2000. I think Germany had three and the other countries one or two. So as usual, I had to add a dose of reality to that thread as I will do for this one, too:

Mass shooting in the U.S,: 160 incidents between 2000 and 2013 according to the FBI.
FBI: A Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the United States Between 2000 and 2013
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/20...r-incidents-in-the-u.s.-between-2000-and-2013

Japan has a zero murder rate. That's 0 for those who think this is a typo. Japan is about as first world as you can get.
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths
A Land Without Guns How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - The Atlantic

The article you site in your post from the Atlantic uses David Kopels work on Japanese gun control...and he doesn't come close to saying what they say...I have posted about this before......the Atlantic is a great example of a gun control supporting journalist lying about the research they use.....

Japan has a low gun crime rate because they use police state tactics to keep the peace....

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/64kjgc.pdf

From your article:

"""Gun crime does exist, but in very low numbers. There were only 30 crimes committed in 1989 with shotguns or air rifles.17 With no legal civilian handgun possession, Japan experiences in an average year less than 200 violent crimes perpetrated with a handgun, of which almost all are perpetrated by Boryokudan, organised crime groups.18""

That's from 1989. It's even lower now.

WaPo also supports the zero rate, not just Atlantic.

The Japan lesson: Can America learn from the country that has almost zero gun deaths?
The Japan lesson Can America learn from the country that has almost zero gun deaths - The Washington Post


It's amazing that the right wingers just don't care about American iives...unless they're not born yet.

It has nothing to do with gun access...Japan is less violent and less criminal as a culture....nothing to do with guns...they suffer group embarrassment and humiliation to keep each other law abiding.....all crime is low in Japan.....

Robbery is almost as rare as murder. Indeed, armed robbery and murder are both so rare that they usually make the national news, regardless of where they occur.29 Japan's robbery rate is 1.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. The reported American rate is 220.9.30 People walk anywhere in Japan at night, and carry large sums of cash.31

Japan is also racially and culturally homogeneous. They don't have large populations from third world countries living within their borders.

 

[2aguy]

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

Yeah, but how often does that happen in France?

We have a couple of these incidents every year now in the US.

France has maybe one a decade...

There was a thread about this earlier, with a list of first world countries who have had mass killings since 2000. I think Germany had three and the other countries one or two. So as usual, I had to add a dose of reality to that thread as I will do for this one, too:

160 incidents between 2000 and 2013 according to the FBI.

FBI: A Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the United States Between 2000 and 2013
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/20...r-incidents-in-the-u.s.-between-2000-and-2013

Japan has a zero murder rate. That's 0 for those who think this is a typo. Japan is about as first world as you can get.
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths
A Land Without Guns How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - The Atlantic

The FBI admitted their numbers were wrong......sorry to spoil your lies.....

Link? Nothing there but the air between your ears and the Fox Noise in your head.

And then there's this: You really should scratch beneath the surface:

"""But late last week, J. Pete Blair and M. Hunter Martaindale, two academics at Texas State University who co-authored the FBI report, acknowledged that “our data is imperfect.” They said that the news media “got it wrong” last year when they “mistakenly reported mass shootings were on the rise.”

Here you go....from USA today....

USA TODAY research reveals flaws in mass-killing data


To get a more accurate count, USA TODAY began with 156 such incidents reported to the FBI from 2006-11. But after investigating each one and finding others missing, USA TODAY found the FBI data had an accuracy rate of just 61%, throwing doubt on conclusions that might be drawn from analyzing it.

For example, a mass killing in Samson and Kinston, Ala., in 2009 is not included in the FBI data. In that case, a man killed his mother, set her body on fire, then killed nine other people before he committed suicide at his former workplace.

In another incident, the FBI data included the deaths of two adults and three children in a Cleveland suburb in 2009, shot to death by a 28-year-old man. There was a drive-by shooting at that date and time, but no one was killed.

The FBI's data, known as the Supplemental Homicide Report, is considered the primary list of U.S. homicides by law enforcement agencies and academics studying violence. Most of the problem, researchers say, is because of mistakes made by the local police agencies who voluntarily submit their reports to the FBI.

The FBI acknowledges the data is flawed. In an effort to improve it, the FBI will start making downloads available directly from its website starting in 2014, said FBI spokesman Stephen G. Fischer Jr.

Depending on the agency, that means crime data could be updated daily, weekly or monthly, Fischer said. It also may mean mistakes can be caught more quickly. Currently, data is more than a year old when it's released (USA TODAY received preliminary 2011 data in February 2013).

"This will allow members of the media, academia, and the general public to download data sets and apply their own powerful trending and statistical analysis software," Fischer said.

Even with better data, special interest groups or unscrupulous academics can manipulate the numbers, just as with any other data set.

"If you have a cherry-picked list of cases, it's basically garbage in, garbage out," Duwe said. "And it does have important implications to additional research we do in terms of public policy.

Among the errors USA TODAY found:

• Several mass killings were reported as unrelated single homicides.
• At least a dozen crimes were mischaracterized as mass killings. In one case, several unrelated homicides a week apart were reported as a mass killing.
• In nearly a dozen cases, USA TODAY — searching media reports and interviewing local law enforcement agencies — could find no record of a murder, even when the FBI data showed as many as seven killed. Among them: a quintuple murder in Newark in 2010. What actually happened: Police arrested two men in connection with the murder of five teens in 1978 — 32 years earlier.
• Several cases handled by federal agencies were not included, including the 2009 Fort Hood massacre.
• Florida and Native American reservations do not report homicides to the FBI. Nor did Nebraska or Washington, D.C., until 2009. USA TODAY found at least a dozen such cases. They were not counted in the error rate, however, since their absence is well-documented.

USA TODAY's data debunks common beliefs. For example, it shows that the number of mass killings has not increased in recent years; most occur among family members; and handguns, not assault weapons, are most commonly used.

 

[CowboyTed]

My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries."

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries

He said Mass Violence not Mass Killing.... Muppet.

So want to compare US Homicide rate with other first world countries?

 

[Care4all]

Oh for goodness sakes!

He did not lie, even if you use Jroc's chart that he posted from Judicial review, a very very partisan and skewed right wing site, who said they got the chart from another site that is now defunct.... even compared to populations of all the other countries combine in the EU, it shows specifically that these kind of incidents (mass murder incidents) occurs more frequently in the USA, THAN these other Westernized countries.

PERIOD.

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

 

[2aguy]

Yeah, but how often does that happen in France?

We have a couple of these incidents every year now in the US.

France has maybe one a decade...

There was a thread about this earlier, with a list of first world countries who have had mass killings since 2000. I think Germany had three and the other countries one or two. So as usual, I had to add a dose of reality to that thread as I will do for this one, too:

Mass shooting in the U.S,: 160 incidents between 2000 and 2013 according to the FBI.
FBI: A Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the United States Between 2000 and 2013
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/20...r-incidents-in-the-u.s.-between-2000-and-2013

Japan has a zero murder rate. That's 0 for those who think this is a typo. Japan is about as first world as you can get.
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths
A Land Without Guns How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - The Atlantic

The article you site in your post from the Atlantic uses David Kopels work on Japanese gun control...and he doesn't come close to saying what they say...I have posted about this before......the Atlantic is a great example of a gun control supporting journalist lying about the research they use.....

Japan has a low gun crime rate because they use police state tactics to keep the peace....

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/64kjgc.pdf

From your article:

"""Gun crime does exist, but in very low numbers. There were only 30 crimes committed in 1989 with shotguns or air rifles.17 With no legal civilian handgun possession, Japan experiences in an average year less than 200 violent crimes perpetrated with a handgun, of which almost all are perpetrated by Boryokudan, organised crime groups.18""

That's from 1989. It's even lower now.

WaPo also supports the zero rate, not just Atlantic.

The Japan lesson: Can America learn from the country that has almost zero gun deaths?
The Japan lesson Can America learn from the country that has almost zero gun deaths - The Washington Post


It's amazing that the right wingers just don't care about American iives...unless they're not born yet.

It has nothing to do with gun access...Japan is less violent and less criminal as a culture....nothing to do with guns...they suffer group embarrassment and humiliation to keep each other law abiding.....all crime is low in Japan.....

Robbery is almost as rare as murder. Indeed, armed robbery and murder are both so rare that they usually make the national news, regardless of where they occur.29 Japan's robbery rate is 1.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. The reported American rate is 220.9.30 People walk anywhere in Japan at night, and carry large sums of cash.31

Guess you forgot all about the passive act on Pearl Harbor by the Japanese many years ago. They threw water balloons because they don't believe in guns.

Your opinion doesn't count as fact, nor your conjecture. I have worked and lived in Japan and you're just coming off as another stupid American.

You are the dipshit who cited Dave Kope's work in that ATlantic story you fucking posted moron....you posted it....not me...I just gave the whole story which the Atlantic article left out of their story since their journalist is an anti gun extremist and lied.......

You posted the Atlantic story, I posted the actual work by David Kopel that showed you were wrong...you posted it....don't get pissy because you posted it.....

Loser........"L"

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Yeah, but how often does that happen in France?

We have a couple of these incidents every year now in the US.

France has maybe one a decade...

There was a thread about this earlier, with a list of first world countries who have had mass killings since 2000. I think Germany had three and the other countries one or two. So as usual, I had to add a dose of reality to that thread as I will do for this one, too:

Mass shooting in the U.S,: 160 incidents between 2000 and 2013 according to the FBI.
FBI: A Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the United States Between 2000 and 2013
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/20...r-incidents-in-the-u.s.-between-2000-and-2013

Japan has a zero murder rate. That's 0 for those who think this is a typo. Japan is about as first world as you can get.
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths
A Land Without Guns How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - The Atlantic

The article you site in your post from the Atlantic uses David Kopels work on Japanese gun control...and he doesn't come close to saying what they say...I have posted about this before......the Atlantic is a great example of a gun control supporting journalist lying about the research they use.....

Japan has a low gun crime rate because they use police state tactics to keep the peace....

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/64kjgc.pdf

From your article:

"""Gun crime does exist, but in very low numbers. There were only 30 crimes committed in 1989 with shotguns or air rifles.17 With no legal civilian handgun possession, Japan experiences in an average year less than 200 violent crimes perpetrated with a handgun, of which almost all are perpetrated by Boryokudan, organised crime groups.18""

That's from 1989. It's even lower now.

WaPo also supports the zero rate, not just Atlantic.

The Japan lesson: Can America learn from the country that has almost zero gun deaths?
The Japan lesson Can America learn from the country that has almost zero gun deaths - The Washington Post


It's amazing that the right wingers just don't care about American iives...unless they're not born yet.

It has nothing to do with gun access...Japan is less violent and less criminal as a culture....nothing to do with guns...they suffer group embarrassment and humiliation to keep each other law abiding.....all crime is low in Japan.....

Robbery is almost as rare as murder. Indeed, armed robbery and murder are both so rare that they usually make the national news, regardless of where they occur.29 Japan's robbery rate is 1.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. The reported American rate is 220.9.30 People walk anywhere in Japan at night, and carry large sums of cash.31

Japan is also racially and culturally homogeneous. They don't have large populations from third world countries living within their borders.

So you are saying immigrants, both legal and undocumented, are driving American citizens to mass murder? Excuse me, but I'm laughing my ass off now.
Adam Lanza would have loved idiots like you if he were alive today.

 

[2aguy]

Oh for goodness sakes!

He did not lie, even if you use Jroc's chart that he posted from Judicial review, a very very partisan and skewed right wing site, who said they got the chart from another site that is now defunct.... even compared to populations of all the other countries combine in the EU, it shows specifically that these kind of incidents (mass murder incidents) occurs more frequently in the USA, THAN these other Westernized countries.

PERIOD.

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

And it is because of culture, not because guns are hard to get.....criminals in Europe get fully automatic rifles easily...as reported by European law enforcement...their extreme gun laws don't stop their criminals from getting guns....

Don't worry, they are importing immigrants from countries far more violent than those in Europe and their violence rates are going to spike because of it......

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

There was a thread about this earlier, with a list of first world countries who have had mass killings since 2000. I think Germany had three and the other countries one or two. So as usual, I had to add a dose of reality to that thread as I will do for this one, too:

Mass shooting in the U.S,: 160 incidents between 2000 and 2013 according to the FBI.
FBI: A Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the United States Between 2000 and 2013
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/20...r-incidents-in-the-u.s.-between-2000-and-2013

Japan has a zero murder rate. That's 0 for those who think this is a typo. Japan is about as first world as you can get.
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths
A Land Without Guns How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - The Atlantic

The article you site in your post from the Atlantic uses David Kopels work on Japanese gun control...and he doesn't come close to saying what they say...I have posted about this before......the Atlantic is a great example of a gun control supporting journalist lying about the research they use.....

Japan has a low gun crime rate because they use police state tactics to keep the peace....

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/64kjgc.pdf

From your article:

"""Gun crime does exist, but in very low numbers. There were only 30 crimes committed in 1989 with shotguns or air rifles.17 With no legal civilian handgun possession, Japan experiences in an average year less than 200 violent crimes perpetrated with a handgun, of which almost all are perpetrated by Boryokudan, organised crime groups.18""

That's from 1989. It's even lower now.

WaPo also supports the zero rate, not just Atlantic.

The Japan lesson: Can America learn from the country that has almost zero gun deaths?
The Japan lesson Can America learn from the country that has almost zero gun deaths - The Washington Post


It's amazing that the right wingers just don't care about American iives...unless they're not born yet.

It has nothing to do with gun access...Japan is less violent and less criminal as a culture....nothing to do with guns...they suffer group embarrassment and humiliation to keep each other law abiding.....all crime is low in Japan.....

Robbery is almost as rare as murder. Indeed, armed robbery and murder are both so rare that they usually make the national news, regardless of where they occur.29 Japan's robbery rate is 1.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. The reported American rate is 220.9.30 People walk anywhere in Japan at night, and carry large sums of cash.31

Guess you forgot all about the passive act on Pearl Harbor by the Japanese many years ago. They threw water balloons because they don't believe in guns.

Your opinion doesn't count as fact, nor your conjecture. I have worked and lived in Japan and you're just coming off as another stupid American.

You are the dipshit who cited Dave Kope's work in that ATlantic story you fucking posted moron....you posted it....not me...I just gave the whole story which the Atlantic article left out of their story since their journalist is an anti gun extremist and lied.......

You posted the Atlantic story, I posted the actual work by David Kopel that showed you were wrong...you posted it....don't get pissy because you posted it.....

Loser........"L"

Oooh...struck a nerve. Musta' been that comment about Pearl Harbor that put the egg on your face.

So David Kopel, whoever he is, is the absolute authority on Japan. I see....

 

[2aguy]

My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries."

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries

He said Mass Violence not Mass Killing.... Muppet.

So want to compare US Homicide rate with other first world countries?

How is mass killing with bombs and gasoline better than mass shootings.....you guys really have to work hard to lie don't you....

 

[2aguy]

The article you site in your post from the Atlantic uses David Kopels work on Japanese gun control...and he doesn't come close to saying what they say...I have posted about this before......the Atlantic is a great example of a gun control supporting journalist lying about the research they use.....

Japan has a low gun crime rate because they use police state tactics to keep the peace....

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/64kjgc.pdf

From your article:

"""Gun crime does exist, but in very low numbers. There were only 30 crimes committed in 1989 with shotguns or air rifles.17 With no legal civilian handgun possession, Japan experiences in an average year less than 200 violent crimes perpetrated with a handgun, of which almost all are perpetrated by Boryokudan, organised crime groups.18""

That's from 1989. It's even lower now.

WaPo also supports the zero rate, not just Atlantic.

The Japan lesson: Can America learn from the country that has almost zero gun deaths?
The Japan lesson Can America learn from the country that has almost zero gun deaths - The Washington Post


It's amazing that the right wingers just don't care about American iives...unless they're not born yet.

It has nothing to do with gun access...Japan is less violent and less criminal as a culture....nothing to do with guns...they suffer group embarrassment and humiliation to keep each other law abiding.....all crime is low in Japan.....

Robbery is almost as rare as murder. Indeed, armed robbery and murder are both so rare that they usually make the national news, regardless of where they occur.29 Japan's robbery rate is 1.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. The reported American rate is 220.9.30 People walk anywhere in Japan at night, and carry large sums of cash.31

Guess you forgot all about the passive act on Pearl Harbor by the Japanese many years ago. They threw water balloons because they don't believe in guns.

Your opinion doesn't count as fact, nor your conjecture. I have worked and lived in Japan and you're just coming off as another stupid American.

You are the dipshit who cited Dave Kope's work in that ATlantic story you fucking posted moron....you posted it....not me...I just gave the whole story which the Atlantic article left out of their story since their journalist is an anti gun extremist and lied.......

You posted the Atlantic story, I posted the actual work by David Kopel that showed you were wrong...you posted it....don't get pissy because you posted it.....

Loser........"L"

Oooh...struck a nerve. Musta' been that comment about Pearl Harbor that put the egg on your face.

So David Kopel, whoever he is, is the absolute authority on Japan. I see....

So David Kopel, whoever he is, is the absolute authority on Japan.

Moron.......you are the one who posted the Atlantic article on guns in Japan and they cited Dave Kopel in the article.....you fucking used him in your post....are you that fucking stupid.........and he didn't support what the Atlantic article said.....you posted that, not me....try harder next time....

Loser......"L"

 

[2aguy]

Oh for goodness sakes!

He did not lie, even if you use Jroc's chart that he posted from Judicial review, a very very partisan and skewed right wing site, who said they got the chart from another site that is now defunct.... even compared to populations of all the other countries combine in the EU, it shows specifically that these kind of incidents (mass murder incidents) occurs more frequently in the USA, THAN these other Westernized countries.

PERIOD.

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

Here are articles where European law enforcment says it is extremely easy to get fully automatic weapons in Europe by criminals.....

This story tracks gun smuggling in Europe.....lots of it....

European Police Face Being Outgunned by Jihadists WIth Assault Riflesaanother story on ease terrorists get guns....

Getting a gun legally in Europe may be hard but terrorists have little trouble - The Washington Post


And dittos Canada and Puerto Rico......


Canada gangs get guns easily

Guns too easy for Ottawa gangs to get police say - Ottawa - CBC News

Puerto Rico...stricter gun control...highest gun murder rate..

VICE News Report Guns in Puerto Rico - The Truth About Guns

 

[2aguy]

Oh for goodness sakes!

He did not lie, even if you use Jroc's chart that he posted from Judicial review, a very very partisan and skewed right wing site, who said they got the chart from another site that is now defunct.... even compared to populations of all the other countries combine in the EU, it shows specifically that these kind of incidents (mass murder incidents) occurs more frequently in the USA, THAN these other Westernized countries.

PERIOD.

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

This is the truth......


The size of the trio’s armory has prompted an urgent inquiry into the scale of gun smuggling in Europe, where weapons are smuggled into the European Union from the countries of former Yugoslavia, Albania and elsewhere and then moved without any further border checks to where they will get the best price. Most of the smuggling is carried out by criminal gangs but many jihadists such as Coulibaly are well connected with criminal networks.

Despite the Paris attacks, it seems the weapons are still flowing freely through Europe. Brian Donald, chief of staff for Europol, which coordinates cross-border actions among police forces in the E.U.’s 28 countries, says there have been two “large seizures” of assault weapons in Europe during the past two weeks, but would not give details about where they were, since the investigations were still ongoing. In all, he says police had seized “several vanloads of 30 or 40 weapons at a time,” during the past few weeks, including “AK-47s, Scorpions, handguns and semiautomatic rifles.”

The Kouachis had rifles and a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. On Jan. 8, Coulibaly fatally shot a policewoman with a Scorpion submachine gun in the Paris suburb of Montrouge. The day after that, he used a 7.62-mm Tokarev rifle, a Soviet-designed weapon, to kill five hostages in a kosher supermarket in eastern Paris. His posthumous video also showed him with a Kalashnikov AK-47. Earlier this month, a Belgian newspaper reportedthat Coulibaly had bought most of the weapons from a Belgian criminal for €5,000 (about $5,647). Coulibaly, a French-born Muslim with Malian parents, made the deal near the Brussels Midi train station, a major railway hub that connects Western Europe’s biggest cities, after taking out a €6,000 loan from the French financial services firm Cofidis using false information about his income, which went unchecked.

But although the police quickly traced the weapons source in the Paris attacks, stopping criminals and other jihadist cells in Europe from acquiring assault weapons for further attacks might not be so easy, according to police officials.

Many of the weapons circulating in Europe hail from southeastern Europe, where big military arsenals were left abandoned during the collapse of Yugoslavia and the Balkan wars of the 1990s. At least a million other weapons are believed to have been looted during an outbreak of anarchy in Albania in 1997. “There are stockpiles in the Balkans of 2 [million] to 3 million [weapons] left over from the 1990s, available for recycling,” says Donald.

French police believe rifles are on sale in French cities for between €1,000 and €1,500. Earlier this month, Philippe Capon, head of the French police union UNSA, told Bloomberg News, “The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms.” A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdoattack came from the Balkans.

That is not the only source of weaponry. Donald says he fears that the continent might be facing a fresh influx of weapons from North Africa in the wake of the Arab Spring revolts. In August, 2011, Libyan rebels looted large quantities of mortars, tank shells and other munitions when Moammar Gaddafi’s regime collapsed. Although most of those weapons are believed to have filtered across North and West Africa, some could also have made their way to Europe.

The arms traffickers have flourished in the absence of well-financed antiweapons units in Europe, where law enforcement has for years tended to plow money into stopping drug-dealing and other crimes. “We don’t fully understand the scale of the problem because we have not had specialized units,” says Donald, referring to law-enforcement agencies in different E.U. countries. “It is a question of priorities. Any police officer will tell you it [resources] is a constant struggle.”

The trade in illegal weapons can earn enormous profits for organized criminal gangs — enough to make the risk of capture worthwhile. Donald says recent investigations have found arms traffickers investing about €30,000 in a shipment of Balkan-era weapons, refurbishing them in their garages, then selling them for them for about 10 times the price. “That’s a huge mark-up,” he says.

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

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[Care4all]

My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it." is the full quote.

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

you and the right wing rag you are quoting ARE THE ONES LYING Tiny

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries

WHY do these RIGHT WING RAGS have to manipulate the TRUTH in order to CREATE CONTROVERSY?

Shame on you and them tiny....

WHY CUT OFF OBAMA'S QUOTE AND WHAT HE REALLY SAID?

Why?
You have CREATED AND MANUFACTURED the controversy on what he said, can't you see that?

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

SHAME on you! Honestly, you should be more careful in what these right wing media outlets say and check them for accuracy before you regurgitate their made up LIES.

Really?

If You Look at This Chart of Top 10 Nations in the World for Mass Shootings One Thing Jumps Out

Might wish to rethink your entire outrage that someone insulted Obama.

yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....

 

[2aguy]

Oh for goodness sakes!

He did not lie, even if you use Jroc's chart that he posted from Judicial review, a very very partisan and skewed right wing site, who said they got the chart from another site that is now defunct.... even compared to populations of all the other countries combine in the EU, it shows specifically that these kind of incidents (mass murder incidents) occurs more frequently in the USA, THAN these other Westernized countries.

PERIOD.

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

And from Copenhagen authorities...this is how easy it is to get fully automatic rifles........


Getting a gun legally in Europe may be hard but terrorists have little trouble - The Washington Post



In contrast with the free-firing United States, Europe is generally seen as a haven from serious gun violence. Here in Denmark, handguns and semiautomatic rifles are all but banned. Hunting rifles are legally available only to those with squeaky-clean backgrounds who have passed a rigorous exam covering everything from gun safety to the mating habits of Denmark’s wildlife.

“There’s a book about 1,000 pages thick,” said Tonni Rigby, one of only two licensed firearms dealers in Copenhagen. “You have to know all of it.”


But if you want an illicit assault rifle, such as the one used by a 22-year-old to rake a Copenhagen cafe with 28 bullets on Saturday, all it takes are a few connections and some cash.

“It’s very easy to get such a weapon,” said Hans Jorgen Bonnichsen, a former operations director for the Danish security service PET. “It’s not only a problem for Denmark. It’s a problem for all of Europe.”

 

[Freewill]

OK, I see where the Obama droids are coming from. Obama in his usual doublespeak first says that this type of violence "does not occur in other advanced societies" He then says it doesn't happen in the same frequency in other places.

In either case he is wrong, lying? Maybe I just think he was in a hurry to jet to San Fransico for a Billionaire fund raiser.

Obama Pivots to Gun Control This Type of Mass Violence Doesn t Happen in Other Advanced Countries - YouTube

 

[2aguy]

OK, I see where the Obama droids are coming from. Obama in his usual doublespeak first says that this type of violence "does not occur in other advanced societies" He then says it doesn't happen in the same frequency in other places.

In either case he is wrong, lying? Maybe I just think he was in a hurry to jet to San Fransico for a Billionaire fund raiser.

Obama Pivots to Gun Control This Type of Mass Violence Doesn t Happen in Other Advanced Countries - YouTube

No...he was lying...you can tell because he was speaking......

 

[rightwinger]

Obama is spot on

No other industrialized nation would put up with the mass killings and 30,000 gun deaths that we do

We just shrug it off

My gosh there is even bigger problems in the US then just gun related deaths, there are traffic accidents which the US is also has a problem when compared to other countries especially EU countries.

List of countries by traffic-related death rate - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

United Kingdom 3.5
United States 11.6
Germany 4.3
Italy 6.2
France 4.9
Spain 3.6
Sweden 3

Fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants.

OMG we are killing our youth at a faster rate then almost everyone, thank you Russia for being number one. Hard to see EU countries in this statistic, they must have done something to solve their murder rate.

Countries Compared by Health Abortions. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

1 Russia 2.77 million
2 United States 1.21 million
3 India 596,345
4 Japan 343,024
Group of 7 countries (G7) average 336,275.83
5 France 161,129
6 Italy 134,137
7 Germany 97,936

Makes gun deaths seem like a small number when one considers that liberal theology leads to a million deaths per year.

2nd amendment Palestine in comparison to her right to choose

Right to choose to kill another human being. As RW (jake) says, killing on purpose.

No idea what you are babbling about

Abortion is legal
What happened in Charleston is not

Of course you refuse to understand, that is understandable.

Abortion, legal or not, is the purposeful chosen killing of a human being, whether you accept that definition or not. What do you think goes through the minds of these kids when they see that the killing of 1.2 million of our youth is simply reduced to a "choice?"

Both what the killer did and having an abortion are by choice jake, Neither choice do I agree with.

Abortion is legal....murders are not

Get abortion defined as murder and your analogy will be valid

 

[Freewill]

OK, I see where the Obama droids are coming from. Obama in his usual doublespeak first says that this type of violence "does not occur in other advanced societies" He then says it doesn't happen in the same frequency in other places.

In either case he is wrong, lying? Maybe I just think he was in a hurry to jet to San Fransico for a Billionaire fund raiser.

Obama Pivots to Gun Control This Type of Mass Violence Doesn t Happen in Other Advanced Countries - YouTube

No...he was lying...you can tell because he was speaking......

the question is, why do you think that he and others on the left lie so easily? They have to know they are going to be found out, they always are. The only answer I see is that they know that their faithful will repeat the lie until it becomes their truth.

 

[rightwinger]

Once again Republicans fail to listen.

In other advanced countries, these events do not happen with the frequency that it does in the US. How many massacres happened in Norway before and after the events in 2011? Not sure about before but no massacres afterwards.

We did listen and we heard Obama say they NEVER happen which has been shown to be a departure from the truth. Why lie the facts are bad enough. But when he does lie it makes everything he says seem to be one big fat LIE whether or not it is a lie, and it does not aid in the discourse.

Of course his solution was to come before the nation, lie about the situation then jet off to CA for a fund raiser in a Billionaires home. And you wonder why there is so little respect left for him.

He said never happened in the frequency we do

Why do you always take things out of context? Does lying help you?

Present the evidence as I do with all my posts. Him just saying it doesn't, without context, doesn't make it so Jake. Facts be the facts.

He did not claim it never happens

Why do conservatives struggle with context?