Obama's wrong. Mass killings aren't uncommon in other countries

[Freewill]

Once again Republicans fail to listen.

In other advanced countries, these events do not happen with the frequency that it does in the US. How many massacres happened in Norway before and after the events in 2011? Not sure about before but no massacres afterwards.

We did listen and we heard Obama say they NEVER happen which has been shown to be a departure from the truth. Why lie the facts are bad enough. But when he does lie it makes everything he says seem to be one big fat LIE whether or not it is a lie, and it does not aid in the discourse.

Of course his solution was to come before the nation, lie about the situation then jet off to CA for a fund raiser in a Billionaires home. And you wonder why there is so little respect left for him.

He said never happened in the frequency we do

Why do you always take things out of context? Does lying help you?

Present the evidence as I do with all my posts. Him just saying it doesn't, without context, doesn't make it so Jake. Facts be the facts.

He did not claim it never happens

Why do conservatives struggle with context?

"Now is the time for mourning and healing, but let's be clear: At some point, we as a country, will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency," the president said as he stood next to Vice President Joe Biden. "It is in our power to do something about it… I say that recognizing the politics in this town foreclose a lot of those avenues right now."

I note that you seldom actual provide the quote jake, hard to argue with your opinion. I do not see how the quote is taken out of context. Or do you think saying NEVER then saying the "same frequency" has the same meaning? He said what he said, live with it. He made a distinction between advanced countries and other places. Lord knows what he really meant. But he had a fund raiser to get to so I assume he was in a hurry.

 

[2aguy]

OK, I see where the Obama droids are coming from. Obama in his usual doublespeak first says that this type of violence "does not occur in other advanced societies" He then says it doesn't happen in the same frequency in other places.

In either case he is wrong, lying? Maybe I just think he was in a hurry to jet to San Fransico for a Billionaire fund raiser.

Obama Pivots to Gun Control This Type of Mass Violence Doesn t Happen in Other Advanced Countries - YouTube

No...he was lying...you can tell because he was speaking......

the question is, why do you think that he and others on the left lie so easily? They have to know they are going to be found out, they always are. The only answer I see is that they know that their faithful will repeat the lie until it becomes their truth.

That is the thing....until the internet came along who was going to refute what they said....the democrats in the press would simply repeat what the democrats in academia, poitics, and hollywood would say...and if you wanted to debate something like gun laws...you would have had to physically gone to the library, poured through economics journals, and criminology journals to try to dispute what they said....

For the longest time the left has been able to lie and no one could break through the media to say they were lying....

Rush Limbaugh started the turn around, and he opened up talk radio as a medium to get out the truth, then came Fox and now the internet.....imagine trying to refute their claims without the internet...it would be impossible....

Now....we can address their lies immediately, and other people around the country can get that information and how to use it to debate these liars....

It is a new age...and the democrats want to control the internet because of this.....

 

[Freewill]

OK, I see where the Obama droids are coming from. Obama in his usual doublespeak first says that this type of violence "does not occur in other advanced societies" He then says it doesn't happen in the same frequency in other places.

In either case he is wrong, lying? Maybe I just think he was in a hurry to jet to San Fransico for a Billionaire fund raiser.

Obama Pivots to Gun Control This Type of Mass Violence Doesn t Happen in Other Advanced Countries - YouTube

No...he was lying...you can tell because he was speaking......

the question is, why do you think that he and others on the left lie so easily? They have to know they are going to be found out, they always are. The only answer I see is that they know that their faithful will repeat the lie until it becomes their truth.

That is the thing....until the internet came along who was going to refute what they said....the democrats in the press would simply repeat what the democrats in academia, poitics, and hollywood would say...and if you wanted to debate something like gun laws...you would have had to physically gone to the library, poured through economics journals, and criminology journals to try to dispute what they said....

For the longest time the left has been able to lie and no one could break through the media to say they were lying....

Rush Limbaugh started the turn around, and he opened up talk radio as a medium to get out the truth, then came Fox and now the internet.....imagine trying to refute their claims without the internet...it would be impossible....

Now....we can address their lies immediately, and other people around the country can get that information and how to use it to debate these liars....

It is a new age...and the democrats want to control the internet because of this.....

As you see their excuse is always one of two things, taken out of context and attack the messenger.

Although it is hard to see where this statement could be taken out of context.

 

[2aguy]

OK, I see where the Obama droids are coming from. Obama in his usual doublespeak first says that this type of violence "does not occur in other advanced societies" He then says it doesn't happen in the same frequency in other places.

In either case he is wrong, lying? Maybe I just think he was in a hurry to jet to San Fransico for a Billionaire fund raiser.

Obama Pivots to Gun Control This Type of Mass Violence Doesn t Happen in Other Advanced Countries - YouTube

No...he was lying...you can tell because he was speaking......

the question is, why do you think that he and others on the left lie so easily? They have to know they are going to be found out, they always are. The only answer I see is that they know that their faithful will repeat the lie until it becomes their truth.

And in the past I watched Bill maher when his show was on HBO....the Republicans and conservatives would debate politely with the left and they would be facing 3 or 4 lefties all spouting lies at the same time....

Now.....we call them liars...which the rebublican politicians and pundits would never do......and we call them out immediately on these forums....we are the people who got tired of the bullies on the left lying about us and smearing us and our guys in the media never defending us......

It also turned around in the Bush/Gore election when gore tried to steal votes in Florida....I remember the democrat press people commmenting on the new activism of republicans at the time...they had never seen Republlicans stand up for themselves that way before...especially the scene where the vote counters reached the Cuban districts and all of a sudden decided they wanted to count those behind closed doors....the Republicans had had enough.....

 

[Darkwind]

My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it." is the full quote.

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

you and the right wing rag you are quoting ARE THE ONES LYING Tiny

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries

WHY do these RIGHT WING RAGS have to manipulate the TRUTH in order to CREATE CONTROVERSY?

Shame on you and them tiny....

WHY CUT OFF OBAMA'S QUOTE AND WHAT HE REALLY SAID?

Why?
You have CREATED AND MANUFACTURED the controversy on what he said, can't you see that?

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

SHAME on you! Honestly, you should be more careful in what these right wing media outlets say and check them for accuracy before you regurgitate their made up LIES.

Really?

If You Look at This Chart of Top 10 Nations in the World for Mass Shootings One Thing Jumps Out

Might wish to rethink your entire outrage that someone insulted Obama.

yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....

You need to reread the chart.

You also need to make note of the fact that of the 12 nations listed (all of them first world nations) 10 of the 12 are very restrictive in gun laws, particularly the top 5.

The USA has no more frequency in gun mass killing than other first world nations, it has no more violence than in other nations.

Mr. Obama misspoke, was ill informed, or outright lied. All for a political purpose.

 

[Care4all]

Oh for goodness sakes!

He did not lie, even if you use Jroc's chart that he posted from Judicial review, a very very partisan and skewed right wing site, who said they got the chart from another site that is now defunct.... even compared to populations of all the other countries combine in the EU, it shows specifically that these kind of incidents (mass murder incidents) occurs more frequently in the USA, THAN these other Westernized countries.

PERIOD.

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

This is the truth......


The size of the trio’s armory has prompted an urgent inquiry into the scale of gun smuggling in Europe, where weapons are smuggled into the European Union from the countries of former Yugoslavia, Albania and elsewhere and then moved without any further border checks to where they will get the best price. Most of the smuggling is carried out by criminal gangs but many jihadists such as Coulibaly are well connected with criminal networks.

Despite the Paris attacks, it seems the weapons are still flowing freely through Europe. Brian Donald, chief of staff for Europol, which coordinates cross-border actions among police forces in the E.U.’s 28 countries, says there have been two “large seizures” of assault weapons in Europe during the past two weeks, but would not give details about where they were, since the investigations were still ongoing. In all, he says police had seized “several vanloads of 30 or 40 weapons at a time,” during the past few weeks, including “AK-47s, Scorpions, handguns and semiautomatic rifles.”

The Kouachis had rifles and a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. On Jan. 8, Coulibaly fatally shot a policewoman with a Scorpion submachine gun in the Paris suburb of Montrouge. The day after that, he used a 7.62-mm Tokarev rifle, a Soviet-designed weapon, to kill five hostages in a kosher supermarket in eastern Paris. His posthumous video also showed him with a Kalashnikov AK-47. Earlier this month, a Belgian newspaper reportedthat Coulibaly had bought most of the weapons from a Belgian criminal for €5,000 (about $5,647). Coulibaly, a French-born Muslim with Malian parents, made the deal near the Brussels Midi train station, a major railway hub that connects Western Europe’s biggest cities, after taking out a €6,000 loan from the French financial services firm Cofidis using false information about his income, which went unchecked.

But although the police quickly traced the weapons source in the Paris attacks, stopping criminals and other jihadist cells in Europe from acquiring assault weapons for further attacks might not be so easy, according to police officials.

Many of the weapons circulating in Europe hail from southeastern Europe, where big military arsenals were left abandoned during the collapse of Yugoslavia and the Balkan wars of the 1990s. At least a million other weapons are believed to have been looted during an outbreak of anarchy in Albania in 1997. “There are stockpiles in the Balkans of 2 [million] to 3 million [weapons] left over from the 1990s, available for recycling,” says Donald.

French police believe rifles are on sale in French cities for between €1,000 and €1,500. Earlier this month, Philippe Capon, head of the French police union UNSA, told Bloomberg News, “The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms.” A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdoattack came from the Balkans.

That is not the only source of weaponry. Donald says he fears that the continent might be facing a fresh influx of weapons from North Africa in the wake of the Arab Spring revolts. In August, 2011, Libyan rebels looted large quantities of mortars, tank shells and other munitions when Moammar Gaddafi’s regime collapsed. Although most of those weapons are believed to have filtered across North and West Africa, some could also have made their way to Europe.

The arms traffickers have flourished in the absence of well-financed antiweapons units in Europe, where law enforcement has for years tended to plow money into stopping drug-dealing and other crimes. “We don’t fully understand the scale of the problem because we have not had specialized units,” says Donald, referring to law-enforcement agencies in different E.U. countries. “It is a question of priorities. Any police officer will tell you it [resources] is a constant struggle.”

The trade in illegal weapons can earn enormous profits for organized criminal gangs — enough to make the risk of capture worthwhile. Donald says recent investigations have found arms traffickers investing about €30,000 in a shipment of Balkan-era weapons, refurbishing them in their garages, then selling them for them for about 10 times the price. “That’s a huge mark-up,” he says.

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

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I agree that this post and your other posts regarding this topic of legal and illegal gun traffic is pertinent in the debate on this issue....and should be examined and analyzed along with the other information on gun controls and resulting effects....

But the article from the op, indicating that Obama lied in what he said, is the op article's LIE.

And this thread was started and commented on and charts posted and so on and so forth, are all based ON THIS LIE, via omission of Obama's initial statement in FULL and in context.....and was PURPOSELY worded this way and edited this way by the Right Wing Media, to CAUSE and CREATE, CONTROVERSY themselves.

 

[Care4all]

My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it." is the full quote.

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

you and the right wing rag you are quoting ARE THE ONES LYING Tiny

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries

WHY do these RIGHT WING RAGS have to manipulate the TRUTH in order to CREATE CONTROVERSY?

Shame on you and them tiny....

WHY CUT OFF OBAMA'S QUOTE AND WHAT HE REALLY SAID?

Why?
You have CREATED AND MANUFACTURED the controversy on what he said, can't you see that?

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

SHAME on you! Honestly, you should be more careful in what these right wing media outlets say and check them for accuracy before you regurgitate their made up LIES.

Really?

If You Look at This Chart of Top 10 Nations in the World for Mass Shootings One Thing Jumps Out

Might wish to rethink your entire outrage that someone insulted Obama.

yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....

You need to reread the chart.

You also need to make note of the fact that of the 12 nations listed (all of them first world nations) 10 of the 12 are very restrictive in gun laws, particularly the top 5.

The USA has no more frequency in gun mass killing than other first world nations, it has no more violence than in other nations.

Mr. Obama misspoke, was ill informed, or outright lied. All for a political purpose.

Darkwind, the chart says specifically that the USA had 38 incidents (mass murder shooting occurrences) and during the same limited years, all the other countries on the chart, including countries that do not truly belong there, like Israel...they ALL ADD UP TO 17 mass shooting incidences....

Usa-38
all other nations on chart-17

So where is the lie? Where?

Please point out where this chart shows that Obama lied about how many mass shootings occurrences/incidences we have compared to these other nations on the chart....

 

[Darkwind]

My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it." is the full quote.

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

you and the right wing rag you are quoting ARE THE ONES LYING Tiny

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries

WHY do these RIGHT WING RAGS have to manipulate the TRUTH in order to CREATE CONTROVERSY?

Shame on you and them tiny....

WHY CUT OFF OBAMA'S QUOTE AND WHAT HE REALLY SAID?

Why?
You have CREATED AND MANUFACTURED the controversy on what he said, can't you see that?

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

SHAME on you! Honestly, you should be more careful in what these right wing media outlets say and check them for accuracy before you regurgitate their made up LIES.

Really?

If You Look at This Chart of Top 10 Nations in the World for Mass Shootings One Thing Jumps Out

Might wish to rethink your entire outrage that someone insulted Obama.

yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....

You need to reread the chart.

You also need to make note of the fact that of the 12 nations listed (all of them first world nations) 10 of the 12 are very restrictive in gun laws, particularly the top 5.

The USA has no more frequency in gun mass killing than other first world nations, it has no more violence than in other nations.

Mr. Obama misspoke, was ill informed, or outright lied. All for a political purpose.

Darkwind, the chart say specifically that the USA had 38 incidents (mass murder shooting occurrences) and during the same limited years, all the other countries on the chart, including countries that do not truly belong there, like Israel...they ALL ADD UP TO 17 mass shooting incidences....

Usa-38
all other nations on chart-17

So where is the lie? Where?

Please point out where this chart shows that Obama lied about how many mass shootings occurrences/incidences we have compared to these other nations on the chart....

It is dishonest because you are not considering the population differences between the countries. Which is why they use the fatalities per 1,000,000 metric. It is a much more accurate rating....

You'll note that the USA is at .72.

 

[Darkwind]

Let Me put it to you this way.

The USA has 63 times the population of the top nation.....That means for our 28 incidents, they would have 63....

Understand?

 

[Care4all]

WHY do these RIGHT WING RAGS have to manipulate the TRUTH in order to CREATE CONTROVERSY?

Shame on you and them tiny....

WHY CUT OFF OBAMA'S QUOTE AND WHAT HE REALLY SAID?

Why?
You have CREATED AND MANUFACTURED the controversy on what he said, can't you see that?

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

SHAME on you! Honestly, you should be more careful in what these right wing media outlets say and check them for accuracy before you regurgitate their made up LIES.

Really?

If You Look at This Chart of Top 10 Nations in the World for Mass Shootings One Thing Jumps Out

Might wish to rethink your entire outrage that someone insulted Obama.

yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....

You need to reread the chart.

You also need to make note of the fact that of the 12 nations listed (all of them first world nations) 10 of the 12 are very restrictive in gun laws, particularly the top 5.

The USA has no more frequency in gun mass killing than other first world nations, it has no more violence than in other nations.

Mr. Obama misspoke, was ill informed, or outright lied. All for a political purpose.

Darkwind, the chart say specifically that the USA had 38 incidents (mass murder shooting occurrences) and during the same limited years, all the other countries on the chart, including countries that do not truly belong there, like Israel...they ALL ADD UP TO 17 mass shooting incidences....

Usa-38
all other nations on chart-17

So where is the lie? Where?

Please point out where this chart shows that Obama lied about how many mass shootings occurrences/incidences we have compared to these other nations on the chart....

It is dishonest because you are not considering the population differences between the countries. Which is why they use the fatalities per 1,000,000 metric. It is a much more accurate rating....

You'll note that the USA is at .72.

Obama mentioned incidences of Mass Murder Shootings, not the number of people killed...and when you look at the chart posted on this very limited time period, it SHOWS that there are 304.1 million people in all of these other Nations combined together on the chart and 314.0 million in the USA, which is nearly equal in populations, we had 38 mass murder shootings, and ALL of these other nations combined had 17....and like said, the populations comparing the 2 are the same or near the same.

Can't get much more accurate of a rating/reading, than THAT....

38 HERE, 17 THERE.
virtually same amount of people....

EDIT ADDITION:

38/314M = 0.12
17/304M = 0.05

USA WINS, BIGTIME

More than DOUBLE the number of Mass Murder Incidences PER PERSON than all of the Nations on the chart PER PERSON

 

[rightwinger]

Once again Republicans fail to listen.

In other advanced countries, these events do not happen with the frequency that it does in the US. How many massacres happened in Norway before and after the events in 2011? Not sure about before but no massacres afterwards.

We did listen and we heard Obama say they NEVER happen which has been shown to be a departure from the truth. Why lie the facts are bad enough. But when he does lie it makes everything he says seem to be one big fat LIE whether or not it is a lie, and it does not aid in the discourse.

Of course his solution was to come before the nation, lie about the situation then jet off to CA for a fund raiser in a Billionaires home. And you wonder why there is so little respect left for him.

He said never happened in the frequency we do

Why do you always take things out of context? Does lying help you?

Present the evidence as I do with all my posts. Him just saying it doesn't, without context, doesn't make it so Jake. Facts be the facts.

He did not claim it never happens

Why do conservatives struggle with context?

"Now is the time for mourning and healing, but let's be clear: At some point, we as a country, will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency," the president said as he stood next to Vice President Joe Biden. "It is in our power to do something about it… I say that recognizing the politics in this town foreclose a lot of those avenues right now."

I note that you seldom actual provide the quote jake, hard to argue with your opinion. I do not see how the quote is taken out of context. Or do you think saying NEVER then saying the "same frequency" has the same meaning? He said what he said, live with it. He made a distinction between advanced countries and other places. Lord knows what he really meant. But he had a fund raiser to get to so I assume he was in a hurry.

Context my boys Context

Why do Conservatives have such difficulty with it? Somehow, each sentence in a statement must stand on its own or conservatives can't figure it out

Like this one...A well regulated militia being necessary for a free state, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed

.

 

[rightwinger]

My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it." is the full quote.

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

you and the right wing rag you are quoting ARE THE ONES LYING Tiny

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries

WHY do these RIGHT WING RAGS have to manipulate the TRUTH in order to CREATE CONTROVERSY?

Shame on you and them tiny....

WHY CUT OFF OBAMA'S QUOTE AND WHAT HE REALLY SAID?

Why?
You have CREATED AND MANUFACTURED the controversy on what he said, can't you see that?

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

SHAME on you! Honestly, you should be more careful in what these right wing media outlets say and check them for accuracy before you regurgitate their made up LIES.

Really?

If You Look at This Chart of Top 10 Nations in the World for Mass Shootings One Thing Jumps Out

Might wish to rethink your entire outrage that someone insulted Obama.

yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....

You need to reread the chart.

You also need to make note of the fact that of the 12 nations listed (all of them first world nations) 10 of the 12 are very restrictive in gun laws, particularly the top 5.

The USA has no more frequency in gun mass killing than other first world nations, it has no more violence than in other nations.

Mr. Obama misspoke, was ill informed, or outright lied. All for a political purpose.

The top five have either one or two incidences. We have 38. A single incidence in those countries move them to the top of the list.

 

[Darkwind]

Really?

Might wish to rethink your entire outrage that someone insulted Obama.

yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....

You need to reread the chart.

You also need to make note of the fact that of the 12 nations listed (all of them first world nations) 10 of the 12 are very restrictive in gun laws, particularly the top 5.

The USA has no more frequency in gun mass killing than other first world nations, it has no more violence than in other nations.

Mr. Obama misspoke, was ill informed, or outright lied. All for a political purpose.

Darkwind, the chart say specifically that the USA had 38 incidents (mass murder shooting occurrences) and during the same limited years, all the other countries on the chart, including countries that do not truly belong there, like Israel...they ALL ADD UP TO 17 mass shooting incidences....

Usa-38
all other nations on chart-17

So where is the lie? Where?

Please point out where this chart shows that Obama lied about how many mass shootings occurrences/incidences we have compared to these other nations on the chart....

It is dishonest because you are not considering the population differences between the countries. Which is why they use the fatalities per 1,000,000 metric. It is a much more accurate rating....

You'll note that the USA is at .72.

Obama mentioned incidences of Mass Murder Shootings, not the number of people killed...and when you look at the chart posted on this very limited time period, it SHOWS that there are 304.1 million people in all of these other Nations combined together on the chart and 314.0 million in the USA, which is nearly equal in populations, we had 38 mass murder shootings, and ALL of these other nations combined had 17....and like said, the populations comparing the 2 are the same or near the same.

Can't get much more accurate of a rating/reading, than THAT....

38 HERE, 17 THERE.
virtually same amount of people....

EDIT ADDITION:

38/314M = 0.12
17/304M = 0.05

USA WINS, BIGTIME

More than DOUBLE the number of Mass Murder Incidences PER PERSON than all of the Nations on the chart PER PERSON

Clearly, you don't understand statistics.

Equate the populations of each country to our....multiply the number of incidents by that factor....

Then compare each to the USA.....

Obama did NOT say we had a higher incidence of ALL nations in Europe COMBINED.

I realize you have some imperative to protect him at all costs, but simply face the fact that he IS wrong.

 

[rightwinger]

yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....

You need to reread the chart.

You also need to make note of the fact that of the 12 nations listed (all of them first world nations) 10 of the 12 are very restrictive in gun laws, particularly the top 5.

The USA has no more frequency in gun mass killing than other first world nations, it has no more violence than in other nations.

Mr. Obama misspoke, was ill informed, or outright lied. All for a political purpose.

Darkwind, the chart say specifically that the USA had 38 incidents (mass murder shooting occurrences) and during the same limited years, all the other countries on the chart, including countries that do not truly belong there, like Israel...they ALL ADD UP TO 17 mass shooting incidences....

Usa-38
all other nations on chart-17

So where is the lie? Where?

Please point out where this chart shows that Obama lied about how many mass shootings occurrences/incidences we have compared to these other nations on the chart....

It is dishonest because you are not considering the population differences between the countries. Which is why they use the fatalities per 1,000,000 metric. It is a much more accurate rating....

You'll note that the USA is at .72.

Obama mentioned incidences of Mass Murder Shootings, not the number of people killed...and when you look at the chart posted on this very limited time period, it SHOWS that there are 304.1 million people in all of these other Nations combined together on the chart and 314.0 million in the USA, which is nearly equal in populations, we had 38 mass murder shootings, and ALL of these other nations combined had 17....and like said, the populations comparing the 2 are the same or near the same.

Can't get much more accurate of a rating/reading, than THAT....

38 HERE, 17 THERE.
virtually same amount of people....

EDIT ADDITION:

38/314M = 0.12
17/304M = 0.05

USA WINS, BIGTIME

More than DOUBLE the number of Mass Murder Incidences PER PERSON than all of the Nations on the chart PER PERSON

Clearly, you don't understand statistics.

Equate the populations of each country to our....multiply the number of incidents by that factor....

Then compare each to the USA.....

Obama did NOT say we had a higher incidence of ALL nations in Europe COMBINED.

I realize you have some imperative to protect him at all costs, but simply face the fact that he IS wrong.

He also did not say if you cherry pick one or two you might find one with a higher rate

 

[tinydancer]

My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it." is the full quote.

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

you and the right wing rag you are quoting ARE THE ONES LYING Tiny

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries

WHY do these RIGHT WING RAGS have to manipulate the TRUTH in order to CREATE CONTROVERSY?

Shame on you and them tiny....

WHY CUT OFF OBAMA'S QUOTE AND WHAT HE REALLY SAID?

Why?
You have CREATED AND MANUFACTURED the controversy on what he said, can't you see that?

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

SHAME on you! Honestly, you should be more careful in what these right wing media outlets say and check them for accuracy before you regurgitate their made up LIES.

Good grief. That last line makes no difference whatsoever as far a frequency goes.

Because there studies out there that show that the US based on a per capita basis isn't number one in the world.

 

[rightwinger]

yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....

You need to reread the chart.

You also need to make note of the fact that of the 12 nations listed (all of them first world nations) 10 of the 12 are very restrictive in gun laws, particularly the top 5.

The USA has no more frequency in gun mass killing than other first world nations, it has no more violence than in other nations.

Mr. Obama misspoke, was ill informed, or outright lied. All for a political purpose.

Darkwind, the chart say specifically that the USA had 38 incidents (mass murder shooting occurrences) and during the same limited years, all the other countries on the chart, including countries that do not truly belong there, like Israel...they ALL ADD UP TO 17 mass shooting incidences....

Usa-38
all other nations on chart-17

So where is the lie? Where?

Please point out where this chart shows that Obama lied about how many mass shootings occurrences/incidences we have compared to these other nations on the chart....

It is dishonest because you are not considering the population differences between the countries. Which is why they use the fatalities per 1,000,000 metric. It is a much more accurate rating....

You'll note that the USA is at .72.

Obama mentioned incidences of Mass Murder Shootings, not the number of people killed...and when you look at the chart posted on this very limited time period, it SHOWS that there are 304.1 million people in all of these other Nations combined together on the chart and 314.0 million in the USA, which is nearly equal in populations, we had 38 mass murder shootings, and ALL of these other nations combined had 17....and like said, the populations comparing the 2 are the same or near the same.

Can't get much more accurate of a rating/reading, than THAT....

38 HERE, 17 THERE.
virtually same amount of people....

EDIT ADDITION:

38/314M = 0.12
17/304M = 0.05

USA WINS, BIGTIME

More than DOUBLE the number of Mass Murder Incidences PER PERSON than all of the Nations on the chart PER PERSON

Clearly, you don't understand statistics.

Equate the populations of each country to our....multiply the number of incidents by that factor....

Then compare each to the USA.....

Obama did NOT say we had a higher incidence of ALL nations in Europe COMBINED.

I realize you have some imperative to protect him at all costs, but simply face the fact that he IS wrong.

You understand statistics

So clearly you understand the concept of statistical confidence. Now what is the statistical confidence of a sample size of one vs a sample size of 38


Now, how does that impact your ability to draw conclusions on the samples?

 

[bripat9643]

There was a thread about this earlier, with a list of first world countries who have had mass killings since 2000. I think Germany had three and the other countries one or two. So as usual, I had to add a dose of reality to that thread as I will do for this one, too:

Mass shooting in the U.S,: 160 incidents between 2000 and 2013 according to the FBI.
FBI: A Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the United States Between 2000 and 2013
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/20...r-incidents-in-the-u.s.-between-2000-and-2013

Japan has a zero murder rate. That's 0 for those who think this is a typo. Japan is about as first world as you can get.
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths
A Land Without Guns How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - The Atlantic

The article you site in your post from the Atlantic uses David Kopels work on Japanese gun control...and he doesn't come close to saying what they say...I have posted about this before......the Atlantic is a great example of a gun control supporting journalist lying about the research they use.....

Japan has a low gun crime rate because they use police state tactics to keep the peace....

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/64kjgc.pdf

From your article:

"""Gun crime does exist, but in very low numbers. There were only 30 crimes committed in 1989 with shotguns or air rifles.17 With no legal civilian handgun possession, Japan experiences in an average year less than 200 violent crimes perpetrated with a handgun, of which almost all are perpetrated by Boryokudan, organised crime groups.18""

That's from 1989. It's even lower now.

WaPo also supports the zero rate, not just Atlantic.

The Japan lesson: Can America learn from the country that has almost zero gun deaths?
The Japan lesson Can America learn from the country that has almost zero gun deaths - The Washington Post


It's amazing that the right wingers just don't care about American iives...unless they're not born yet.

It has nothing to do with gun access...Japan is less violent and less criminal as a culture....nothing to do with guns...they suffer group embarrassment and humiliation to keep each other law abiding.....all crime is low in Japan.....

Robbery is almost as rare as murder. Indeed, armed robbery and murder are both so rare that they usually make the national news, regardless of where they occur.29 Japan's robbery rate is 1.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. The reported American rate is 220.9.30 People walk anywhere in Japan at night, and carry large sums of cash.31

Japan is also racially and culturally homogeneous. They don't have large populations from third world countries living within their borders.

So you are saying immigrants, both legal and undocumented, are driving American citizens to mass murder? Excuse me, but I'm laughing my ass off now.
Adam Lanza would have loved idiots like you if he were alive today.

No. I'm saying immigrants themselves have a high murder rate. Check out the murder rate in Mexico, Jamaica, Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Mexico and Jamaica have two of the highest murder rates on the planet.

Blacks also have a high murder rate. If you don't count blacks and Hispanics, then the USA has one of the lowest murder rates in the industrialized world. That makes it obvious that gun ownership is not the cause of our murder rate.

 

[Care4all]

You need to reread the chart.

You also need to make note of the fact that of the 12 nations listed (all of them first world nations) 10 of the 12 are very restrictive in gun laws, particularly the top 5.

The USA has no more frequency in gun mass killing than other first world nations, it has no more violence than in other nations.

Mr. Obama misspoke, was ill informed, or outright lied. All for a political purpose.

Darkwind, the chart say specifically that the USA had 38 incidents (mass murder shooting occurrences) and during the same limited years, all the other countries on the chart, including countries that do not truly belong there, like Israel...they ALL ADD UP TO 17 mass shooting incidences....

Usa-38
all other nations on chart-17

So where is the lie? Where?

Please point out where this chart shows that Obama lied about how many mass shootings occurrences/incidences we have compared to these other nations on the chart....

It is dishonest because you are not considering the population differences between the countries. Which is why they use the fatalities per 1,000,000 metric. It is a much more accurate rating....

You'll note that the USA is at .72.

Obama mentioned incidences of Mass Murder Shootings, not the number of people killed...and when you look at the chart posted on this very limited time period, it SHOWS that there are 304.1 million people in all of these other Nations combined together on the chart and 314.0 million in the USA, which is nearly equal in populations, we had 38 mass murder shootings, and ALL of these other nations combined had 17....and like said, the populations comparing the 2 are the same or near the same.

Can't get much more accurate of a rating/reading, than THAT....

38 HERE, 17 THERE.
virtually same amount of people....

EDIT ADDITION:

38/314M = 0.12
17/304M = 0.05

USA WINS, BIGTIME

More than DOUBLE the number of Mass Murder Incidences PER PERSON than all of the Nations on the chart PER PERSON

Clearly, you don't understand statistics.

Equate the populations of each country to our....multiply the number of incidents by that factor....

Then compare each to the USA.....

Obama did NOT say we had a higher incidence of ALL nations in Europe COMBINED.

I realize you have some imperative to protect him at all costs, but simply face the fact that he IS wrong.

You understand statistics

So clearly you understand the concept of statistical confidence. Now what is the statistical confidence of a sample size of one vs a sample size of 38


Now, how does that impact your ability to draw conclusions on the samples?

comparing Norway, one member state of the European Union to all of the United States, with 50 different states as members of our Union with 50 different sets of gun laws per State is just ludicrous.... imho.

The EU is similar in some ways to our Union of States...each member State of the EU has their own gvts, like our States have theirs, each member State of the EU has their own gun laws, like our states, each member state in the EU can now traverse all member states without a passport, open borders between member states, just like our States, the EU member State citizens can work in any other member State without the need of a work visa, just like the people from one state here being allowed to work in another state....

etc etc etc....

comparing all of the States within the USA with all of Europe's member States is logical, and more meaningful in discerning the meaning of the message....imo.

and comparing to all of Canada, all of Australia, etc...

 

[tinydancer]

My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries."

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries

Mass killings happen in other developed countries. They happen. They are not common. In a year in America such killings happen multiple times. In other advanced countries they may happen once or not at all. The contention of your OP is ludicrous and childish.

We did listen and we heard Obama say they NEVER happen which has been shown to be a departure from the truth. Why lie the facts are bad enough. But when he does lie it makes everything he says seem to be one big fat LIE whether or not it is a lie, and it does not aid in the discourse.

Of course his solution was to come before the nation, lie about the situation then jet off to CA for a fund raiser in a Billionaires home. And you wonder why there is so little respect left for him.

He said never happened in the frequency we do

Why do you always take things out of context? Does lying help you?

Present the evidence as I do with all my posts. Him just saying it doesn't, without context, doesn't make it so Jake. Facts be the facts.

He did not claim it never happens

Why do conservatives struggle with context?

"Now is the time for mourning and healing, but let's be clear: At some point, we as a country, will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency," the president said as he stood next to Vice President Joe Biden. "It is in our power to do something about it… I say that recognizing the politics in this town foreclose a lot of those avenues right now."

I note that you seldom actual provide the quote jake, hard to argue with your opinion. I do not see how the quote is taken out of context. Or do you think saying NEVER then saying the "same frequency" has the same meaning? He said what he said, live with it. He made a distinction between advanced countries and other places. Lord knows what he really meant. But he had a fund raiser to get to so I assume he was in a hurry.

Context my boys Context

Why do Conservatives have such difficulty with it? Somehow, each sentence in a statement must stand on its own or conservatives can't figure it out

Like this one...A well regulated militia being necessary for a free state, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed

.

And?

.

 

[MaryL]

The OP is correct. Obama is misinformed or living in Yaya land. But, on the other hand, that exposes a prejudice he and some of the rest of us have, mass murder is expected or normal in POOR countries?