Offical Impeachment Thread

[Olde Europe]

Poor, demented con. In reality, you have no clue if he's going to win the Democrats' nomination or not. So all you're really doing is spouting nonsensical babble.

And again, losing that race doesn't mean he's not running as a third party.

Deal with reality for once ... they're both running for president now. They're political rivals, no matter how stupid you are.

Yeah, that.

While the Ukraine shakedown was playing out, polls showed Biden was the strongest contender, the most likely to beat Trump. Damaging him so severely to knock him out of the race would have eliminated the strongest opponent from the race. That's the personal political benefit Trump was trying to acquire right there.

Not that there is any hope for the Trump sycophants to stop their suicide mission - the Dear Leader demands no less.

 

[joaquinmiller]

Sondland testified there was a quid pro quo, and that everyone knew about it. He even named names.

Yes, a "presumed" quid pro quo. He also testified that Trump never ordered one, and in fact when questioned, Trump ordered no quid pro quo.

Trump said, "Talk to Rudy." But, of course, Trump has blocked Rudy from testifying.

Yep......Rudy knows who is guilty of what....so of course....the Democrats claim he's committing crimes.

Sondland testified: ""Mr. Giuliani expressed those requests directly to the Ukrainians. Mr. Giuliani also expressed those requests directly to us," Sondland told the House Intelligence Committee. "We all understood that these prerequisites for the White House call and White House meeting reflected President Trump’s desires and requirements.""

Edit- removed sumpin

And reality shows, the call happened, a meeting in NY happened, WH meeting hasn't happened, YET, and what has Ukraine done? Come on commie give us the facts, what has Ukraine done?

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Ukraine has gotten lucky because the whistleblower complaint blew up Trump's bribery scheme. You didn't know?

When you pretend failure equals innocence, you should just talk among yourselves.

 

[Olde Europe]

It was investigated, who the hell do you think has the responsibility, can you say the DOJ Criminal Division? They found no campaign finance violation. PERIOD, END OF STORY.

Dumb as a box of rocks. The GOP-controlled DoJ concluded they won't prosecute the crime because they couldn't determine a dollar-value of that which Trump was demanding. Jurists are, of course, divided over this, but there were quite a few who stated that's entirely possible. Not that you'd know about any of this, because, quite plainly, yours is to rebleat what you are told, not to do even the most cursory research and analysis.

Did I mention, dumb as a box of rocks? As a debater, you are as useful as a stench bomb in a skyscraper elevator.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Wrong, he need not win the Democrats' nomination to run in the general election.

Even worse for your position... if it were allowed to solicit foreign nationals for help to eliminate presidential hopefuls prior to the primaries under the fallacious excuse they're not political rivals of an incumbent president running for re-election, that would allow a president to violate campaign laws to eliminate every single candidate from the opposing party.

You are right. He doesn't. However he is ,as of now, running for the nomination for the democrat party. He would have to declare a run as an independent for your theory to hold up.

Wrong, he need not win the Democrats' nomination to run in the general election.

Even worse for your position... if it were allowed to solicit foreign nationals for help to eliminate presidential hopefuls prior to the primaries under the fallacious excuse they're not political rivals of an incumbent president running for re-election, that would allow a president to violate campaign laws to eliminate every single candidate from the opposing party.

You are right. He doesn't. However he is ,as of now, running for the nomination for the democrat party. He would have to declare a run as an independent for your theory to hold up.

He's running for president....

Joe Biden for President: Official Campaign Website | Join Our Campaign

... the same office as Trump. That makes him a rival.

If he doesn't get the nomination, which he won't, then that means nothing unless he goes third party. You continue to want to leave out a step. Typical libtard.

Tell Giuliani and trump that, ya moron.

You won't believe me but this Biden deal is only the tip of the iceberg. I promise by next June you libtards are going to be crying in your beer as all your heroes are going to jail. This clown show is an attempt to cover for what is really coming. The only way they can save their asses is to get Trump out of office. Got news for you it ain't going to happen.

Nah , you're delusional. And pay attention:

If every one of your dekusions were true, iy qould not make trump any less guilty.

Do you get that?

 

[Ame®icano]

Barr isn’t investigating Biden. He’s investigating the FBI, the CIA, and the NSA - the agencies which carried out the Russia investigation. Barr has specifically denied that he has any part in Trump’s investigation of Joe Biden.

You're guessing, and what you're guessing is partially truth.

He's not investigating Biden specifically. You said he's investigating FBI, CIA and NSA, which you have no way of knowing that he is. I would say he's investigating the origins of Trump-Russia collusion hoax that was executed by heads of FBI and other agencies, and although I am sure it did not started with them, I would say, it most likely started up higher. If Biden is part of it, possibly is, if evidence proves it, he sure should be investigated.

 

[Faun]

It's the state's business to investigate Biden, if there is evidence of wrongdoing. You just said Trump isn't investigating anyone. Your silly deflection to Congress is noted.

actually, it's the DOJ's business to investigate biden, and they are. Not trump. you should learn your agencies better.

It's a pity Trump went to a foreign national to get help for an investigation into Biden rather than go to his own DoJ. He wouldn't be getting impeached if he had.

If there's no dirt on the Biden's, then what are you guys so worried about? Let Hunter testify.

I couldn't care less about Biden. Investigate him for all I care.

But Trump is still not legally allowed to solicit a foreign national to do it for him.

I want my president to uncover and investigate corruption in other nations before he sends my tax dollars to them...what is it that you find troubling about that?....

Then you should have elected one who sought to have Ukraine fight against corruption rather than look into a 3 year old rumor.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Barr isn’t investigating Biden. He’s investigating the FBI, the CIA, and the NSA - the agencies which carried out the Russia investigation. Barr has specifically denied that he has any part in Trump’s investigation of Joe Biden.

You're guessing, and what you're guessing is partially truth.

He's not investigating Biden specifically. You said he's investigating FBI, CIA and NSA, which you have no way of knowing that he is. I would say he's investigating the origins of Trump-Russia collusion hoax that was executed by heads of FBI and other agencies, and although I am sure it did not started with them, I would say, it most likely started up higher. If Biden is part of it, possibly is, if evidence proves it, he sure should be investigated.

Neato! But none of that has any bearing on the impeachment.

 

[kyzr]

Graham said that if the democrats impeach Trump there will be a trial, the GOP will not dismiss it.
That means that the GOP gets ALL the witnesses that they want for defense, including: Schiff, Ciaramella, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Rosenstein, the Ohrs, Chalupa, Mueller, and many others to prove the deep state conspiracy, especially after Barr, Huber, Durham, and Horowitz get the indictments out the door.

 

[Nostra]

Besides rightwingnuts, who said Dems are afraid of Biden being investigated?

Apparently all Dems, all who support this impeachment sham against President Trump simply for asking Ukraine to crack down on corruption. Why else would they be claiming this personally benefits President Trump? It only benefits him if Biden is guilty of corruption.

What's apparent is you're fucking brain-dead as virtually no Democrats are saying Biden can't or shouldn't be investigated. What we are saying is that Trump can't solicit a foreign national to investigate Biden.

Savvy?

Why can’t he
You presume it’s soley because Biden is a potential political rival. There are other reasons which include the fact that Biden’s son gravy train ride is self serving to the Biden’s and disadvantageous to the USA.

Biden is part of the crooked Clinton-Obama continuum.

Confidence in Trump economy at record high, with no hit from impeachment.

Another poll finds that public support for President Trump has not waned in the face of House impeachment hearings, and the approval for his handling of the economy has hit a new record high.

In today’s Gallup survey, 57% approve of the Trump economy. That, said the survey analysis, is “by one percentage point, his best as president.”

It comes as the stock market is hitting new highs, and unemployment is at a low for several groups.

Meanwhile, Gallup found that Trump’s approval rating is at a near high of 43% for the year. The last time he was at that level was before the Ukraine phone call emerged.

Most importantly, Republicans still have strong support for the president, at 90%.

This wasn’t how it was supposed to go.

The only reason that Trump's approval with Republicans is at 90% is because all of the smart Republicans have left the party. Membership is declining. 90% of a smaller and smaller group of people doesn't mean that Trump is more popular than ever. The poll you reference was taken before the hearings began.

Every day is a huge bombshell which utter demolishes whatever spin the Republicans had been putting on this mess up to that point. Today, Fiona Hill dismantled the false narrative that the Ukraiians are the ones who meddled, not Russia, and the Biden's should be investigated. She pointed out that these stories are part of a known disinformation campaign being run by Russia and Vladimir Putin, and she found it alarming that members of the Republican Party are now promoting proven Russian propaganda on the American people.

We're talking to YOU Devon Nunes.

If all the "smart" Republicans have left the party why does the RNC and Trump have over a hundred million dollars in the bank, and the DNC is broke?

 

[Olde Europe]

And, Ukrainians also did. In fact several countries tried other than Russia tried, one does not exclude the other.

Dumb as a box of rocks. Some in Ukraine expressed, in their media, a political preference. Also, anti-corruption fighters published the so-called "black ledger" - detailing off-the-books payments to hundreds if not thousands of officials - in their fight to expose and curtail corruption. On of these corrupt criminals exposed was Manafort, by now living on the federal dime, and for years to come. That is equivalent to meddling in U.S. elections? How much more ridiculous can you get?

Did I mention, dumb as a box of rocks? As a debater, you are as useful as a stench bomb in a skyscraper elevator.

 

[charwin95]

They keep talking about Trump delaying the military aid to Ukraine jeopardizing the country.

Did Obama give them anything when Crimea was annexed?

Nope!

Fucking hypocrites. It’s sick. Obama was sucking Putin’s cock so he didn’t give Ukraine any aid.

Dimms are such bastards.

Really?

This is what happened when you have a president that is so fucking inept he doesn’t even know how to ask simple favor. Instead he have tons of people involved.

Results ...... bribery or extortion. = IMPEACHABLE

Without the decency of the democrats we don’t hear any of these corruptness of Trump..... spreading lies and conspiracy crap.

You can cry however you want Trump is the most corrupted disgusting president ever.

 

[Nostra]

Apparently all Dems, all who support this impeachment sham against President Trump simply for asking Ukraine to crack down on corruption. Why else would they be claiming this personally benefits President Trump? It only benefits him if Biden is guilty of corruption.

What's apparent is you're fucking brain-dead as virtually no Democrats are saying Biden can't or shouldn't be investigated. What we are saying is that Trump can't solicit a foreign national to investigate Biden.

Savvy?

Why can’t he
You presume it’s soley because Biden is a potential political rival. There are other reasons which include the fact that Biden’s son gravy train ride is self serving to the Biden’s and disadvantageous to the USA.

"Why can’t he"

Because there's a fucking law against it, ya con moron.

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a) Prohibition

It shall be unlawful for-

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

The DOJ criminal division has already dismissed that fantasy.

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Apparently, William Barr is now facing impeachment for failing to investigate this.

Link?

 

[OKTexas]

Yes, a "presumed" quid pro quo. He also testified that Trump never ordered one, and in fact when questioned, Trump ordered no quid pro quo.

Trump said, "Talk to Rudy." But, of course, Trump has blocked Rudy from testifying.

Yep......Rudy knows who is guilty of what....so of course....the Democrats claim he's committing crimes.

Sondland testified: ""Mr. Giuliani expressed those requests directly to the Ukrainians. Mr. Giuliani also expressed those requests directly to us," Sondland told the House Intelligence Committee. "We all understood that these prerequisites for the White House call and White House meeting reflected President Trump’s desires and requirements.""

Edit- removed sumpin

And reality shows, the call happened, a meeting in NY happened, WH meeting hasn't happened, YET, and what has Ukraine done? Come on commie give us the facts, what has Ukraine done?

.

Ukraine has gotten lucky because the whistleblower complaint blew up Trump's bribery scheme. You didn't know?

When you pretend failure equals innocence, you should just talk among yourselves.

ROFLMFAO, the WH call happened on 25 July, you claimed that was a condition, tell us when the CIA rat lies came to light again. You commies just love painting yourselves into corners and then try to lie your way out.

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[Dragonlady]

"When you're trying to overturn 63 million votes and take down a sitting president, you better come up with something more than the fact that you don’t like him."

The votes aren't being "overturned". Pence will still be President.

Whether anyone likes him or not is moot. It's his criminal behaviour that is getting him impeached. He confessed on National TV and released the transcript of the call showing he really did ask for a "favour" in exchange for military aid. He repeated Russian propaganda lies about Crowstrike and the Bidens.

Then the story that the investigations didn't matter, it was the announcement on CNN, so Trump could falsely claim that Biden was corrupt. Trump is admitting he can't win this election unless he gets help and he cheats. He did it last time with Russia, and he barely eked out a win in the electoral college. He got clobbered in the midterms and in every election since his election.

Republican voter registrations are in minus terroritory, while Democratic registrations are surging. Trump is going to have a really, really hard time getting re-elected.

 

[ColonelAngus]

They keep talking about Trump delaying the military aid to Ukraine jeopardizing the country.

Did Obama give them anything when Crimea was annexed?

Nope!

Fucking hypocrites. It’s sick. Obama was sucking Putin’s cock so he didn’t give Ukraine any aid.

Dimms are such bastards.

Really?

This is what happened when you have a president that is so fucking inept he doesn’t even know how to ask simple favor. Instead he have tons of people involved.

Results ...... bribery or extortion. = IMPEACHABLE

Without the decency of the democrats we don’t hear any of these corruptness of Trump..... spreading lies and conspiracy crap.

You can cry however you want Trump is the most corrupted disgusting president ever.

Derp derp derp derp

When Obama tells Medvedev “Tell Vladimir I’ll have more flexibility after my election.”....that’s mutha flocking collusion on a hot mic.

You fairy,

Plus, Obama killed hundreds of thousands of Brown people in Libya, Syria, Yemen....all Illegal regime change wars.

He is a fucking war criminal who should be tried and executed. That’s corruption, you simple racist. Someone says the N word and you shit your panties, but Obama commits fucking GENOCIDE, AND YOU DONT CARE.

That’s fucked.

 

[OKTexas]

It was investigated, who the hell do you think has the responsibility, can you say the DOJ Criminal Division? They found no campaign finance violation. PERIOD, END OF STORY.

Dumb as a box of rocks. The GOP-controlled DoJ concluded they won't prosecute the crime because they couldn't determine a dollar-value of that which Trump was demanding. Jurists are, of course, divided over this, but there were quite a few who stated that's entirely possible. Not that you'd know about any of this, because, quite plainly, yours is to rebleat what you are told, not to do even the most cursory research and analysis.

Did I mention, dumb as a box of rocks? As a debater, you are as useful as a stench bomb in a skyscraper elevator.

Oh right, except every article I've read said the decision was reviewed and all concurred, there was no division in the DOJ, you got a link to something other than a commie hate site that says otherwise?

.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

When Obama tells Medvedev “Tell Vladimir I’ll have more flexibility after my election.”....that’s mutha flocking collusion on a hot mic.

No dummy, That's not even comparable to what our criminal president did.

 

[charwin95]

Schiff's gonna break his gavel next time Rep Jordan speaks.

Jordan? Oh lord. He is like the guy with a bazooka in full combat attire entering a room ready to blow up every one with loud mouth. WAAAAAAAAH.

To find out that bazooka was just a cigarette lighter.

 

[Ame®icano]

Hmm, food for thought. Except, I am a conservative. What I am trying to prevent is the seizure of American by Fascists. And make no bones about it, our government is broken much like Italy was in 1933 and it's being attempted to be done the same way as the Fascists did it then. Yes, it's being done by the help of the Socialists but the direct opposite of the Socialists (the Fascists) have seized on it and are trying to seize total control. The first step is to get a President that has ll the power. He loads the Supreme Court to vote only his way (isn't working out too well). Then he destroys or totally controls Congress (seems to be on track). Then he loads Congress where he controls over 60% of both houses and has full control. Welcome to Fascism or Socialism depending who is president at the time. The Republic is gone. With a President controlling 66% of Congress he can get the Constitution changed to whatever he wishes. Right now, the only thing standing in the way is the Constitution of the United States and the Supreme Court. But make no bones about it, the battle is constantly going on by both the Socialists and the Fascists. The Impeachment isn't about politics it's about the head to head battle between Fascism and Socialism where the Fascists have the upper hand.

If you knew anything about fascism, you would know that fiscism is not "complete opposite" of socialism. Mussolini was original socialist, praised by socialists (i.e. Lenin) that turned into national socialist, he's been also praised by progressives (i.e. FDR). I recommend reading about it first before you express your opinion, because what you're saying is completely wrong.

Here is good read: Mussolini and Fascism by John Patrick Diggins. Book is expensive (range from $150 to $500) and very hard to find in libraries, because it's been suppressed by the left, to prevent truth about FDR and progressives from coming out.

 

[joaquinmiller]

Trump said, "Talk to Rudy." But, of course, Trump has blocked Rudy from testifying.

Yep......Rudy knows who is guilty of what....so of course....the Democrats claim he's committing crimes.

Sondland testified: ""Mr. Giuliani expressed those requests directly to the Ukrainians. Mr. Giuliani also expressed those requests directly to us," Sondland told the House Intelligence Committee. "We all understood that these prerequisites for the White House call and White House meeting reflected President Trump’s desires and requirements.""

Edit- removed sumpin

And reality shows, the call happened, a meeting in NY happened, WH meeting hasn't happened, YET, and what has Ukraine done? Come on commie give us the facts, what has Ukraine done?

.

Ukraine has gotten lucky because the whistleblower complaint blew up Trump's bribery scheme. You didn't know?

When you pretend failure equals innocence, you should just talk among yourselves.

ROFLMFAO, the WH call happened on 25 July, you claimed that was a condition, tell us when the CIA rat lies came to light again. You commies just love painting yourselves into corners and then try to lie your way out.

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I've seen no one claim the phone call was a 'condition'. Congress was notified of the whistle blower complaint on 9/9/19. Funds were released on 9/11/19, a couple of days before Zelensky was due to announce an investigation. The bribery scheme failed. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. Haven't you watched any of the testimony?