Offical Impeachment Thread

[Faun]

FOX news has had three house dems and one never Trumper republican on this morning that are all saying they can't find an impeachable offense from the inquiry....you guys went too damn far....

LOL

So now you're up to 3 dems and 1 rep.

Impeachment not supported by any republican and not every dem will be laughed at in the senate....

You say that as though Republicans in the Senate would ever vote to convict Trump no matter what. You'll recall Senate Republicans were already saying they wouldn't vote to convict even before the hearings began. Trump could be impeached for shooting someone on 5th Avenue and Republicans would kick the corpse before voting to convict.

 

[Rambunctious]

Well, THAT'S over with.

The House has all they need for Articles of Impeachment.

How long will the folks here argue about it?

You do understand that Trump will not be removed from office?

We'll see if what he did matters to voters. If he isn't removed by the Senate, he might be removed at the ballot box.

But will he CHEAT AGAIN, like with what he did in the Ukraine, before the next election?

I believe all facts show that HE WILL.... that's why he should be removed now... because of election cheating imo....And using his office of power to do it.

Commie Rule 100: Anytime a Republican wins, they cheated somehow.

Maybe if your party ended their voter suppression, people wouldn't think that.

Maybe if your party would stop busing illegal aliens to the polls people would see the truth....

 

[RealDave]

How can you charge Trump with crimes no one saw?

Bribery? Nope

Quid Pro Quo? Nope

Trump is not being legally charged with any crimes. He's being impeached. Articles of impeachment can include climes but most articles are not federal crimes. The most common articles are violation of oath of office, misuse of executive power, conduct unbecoming the office, and lying to congress.

Impeachment is a political process used to remove a president just as election is a political process for selecting a president. What this means is that all laws and regulation involving evidence and criminal court procedures do apply. The entire process is regulated by House and Senate rules and the constitution.

For example, the legal concept of hearsay applies in trials and related proceedings in court. It doesn’t apply and doesn’t make sense in the congressional impeachment inquiry, nor in any potential impeachment trial in the Senate.

Congress is not a court, and no rules of evidence apply to its activities, including impeachment. This is not a technical distinction: It’s a foundation part of the constitutional structure.

Why hearsay isn't a problem for Congress in impeachment hearings

You say mis-use of office, executive power etc, but what about the mis-use of government in the ways in which the demoncrats are using it in order to make bogus claims against the President for purely partisan political reasons ?

A power struggle between groups is exactly what's going on here, and anyone with a second grade education can see this for what it is, and for what it has been since 2016.

If anything the swamp has been paraded out, and through this farce it has been shown just how bad things can get if powerful brainwashing goes on for way to long in America. It has been educational in that regard for sure.

Exactly! The laws and the Constitution are there to protect the interests of America and Americans. They were never intended to be used as weapons to take down an adversary because you hate him or because of your lust for power.

What the Democrats have already done is open Pandora's box to a never ending cycle of "How do we use the system to take down President X?" The damage they have already caused to the 2 Party system of our government will take many years to undo.

No assfuck. Trump opened the God damn box when he tried to use government funds to bribe the President of the Ukraine for a political favor.

THAT is what opened the box,.

He did no such thing.

So, No aid unless you announce an investigation into Biden" is not a bribe?

 

[RealDave]

You do understand that Trump will not be removed from office?

We'll see if what he did matters to voters. If he isn't removed by the Senate, he might be removed at the ballot box.

But will he CHEAT AGAIN, like with what he did in the Ukraine, before the next election?

I believe all facts show that HE WILL.... that's why he should be removed now... because of election cheating imo....And using his office of power to do it.

Commie Rule 100: Anytime a Republican wins, they cheated somehow.

Maybe if your party ended their voter suppression, people wouldn't think that.

Maybe if your party would stop busing illegal aliens to the polls people would see the truth....

illegals can't vote.

 

[flack]

Trump is not being legally charged with any crimes. He's being impeached. Articles of impeachment can include climes but most articles are not federal crimes. The most common articles are violation of oath of office, misuse of executive power, conduct unbecoming the office, and lying to congress.

Impeachment is a political process used to remove a president just as election is a political process for selecting a president. What this means is that all laws and regulation involving evidence and criminal court procedures do apply. The entire process is regulated by House and Senate rules and the constitution.

For example, the legal concept of hearsay applies in trials and related proceedings in court. It doesn’t apply and doesn’t make sense in the congressional impeachment inquiry, nor in any potential impeachment trial in the Senate.

Congress is not a court, and no rules of evidence apply to its activities, including impeachment. This is not a technical distinction: It’s a foundation part of the constitutional structure.

Why hearsay isn't a problem for Congress in impeachment hearings

You say mis-use of office, executive power etc, but what about the mis-use of government in the ways in which the demoncrats are using it in order to make bogus claims against the President for purely partisan political reasons ?

A power struggle between groups is exactly what's going on here, and anyone with a second grade education can see this for what it is, and for what it has been since 2016.

If anything the swamp has been paraded out, and through this farce it has been shown just how bad things can get if powerful brainwashing goes on for way to long in America. It has been educational in that regard for sure.

Exactly! The laws and the Constitution are there to protect the interests of America and Americans. They were never intended to be used as weapons to take down an adversary because you hate him or because of your lust for power.

What the Democrats have already done is open Pandora's box to a never ending cycle of "How do we use the system to take down President X?" The damage they have already caused to the 2 Party system of our government will take many years to undo.

No assfuck. Trump opened the God damn box when he tried to use government funds to bribe the President of the Ukraine for a political favor.

THAT is what opened the box,.

He did no such thing.

So, No aid unless you announce an investigation into Biden" is not a bribe?

He didn't say that.

 

[flack]

Opinion

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November 20, 2019 | 2:48pm

 

[flack]

Trump is not being legally charged with any crimes. He's being impeached. Articles of impeachment can include climes but most articles are not federal crimes. The most common articles are violation of oath of office, misuse of executive power, conduct unbecoming the office, and lying to congress.

Impeachment is a political process used to remove a president just as election is a political process for selecting a president. What this means is that all laws and regulation involving evidence and criminal court procedures do apply. The entire process is regulated by House and Senate rules and the constitution.

For example, the legal concept of hearsay applies in trials and related proceedings in court. It doesn’t apply and doesn’t make sense in the congressional impeachment inquiry, nor in any potential impeachment trial in the Senate.

Congress is not a court, and no rules of evidence apply to its activities, including impeachment. This is not a technical distinction: It’s a foundation part of the constitutional structure.

Why hearsay isn't a problem for Congress in impeachment hearings

You say mis-use of office, executive power etc, but what about the mis-use of government in the ways in which the demoncrats are using it in order to make bogus claims against the President for purely partisan political reasons ?

A power struggle between groups is exactly what's going on here, and anyone with a second grade education can see this for what it is, and for what it has been since 2016.

If anything the swamp has been paraded out, and through this farce it has been shown just how bad things can get if powerful brainwashing goes on for way to long in America. It has been educational in that regard for sure.

Exactly! The laws and the Constitution are there to protect the interests of America and Americans. They were never intended to be used as weapons to take down an adversary because you hate him or because of your lust for power.

What the Democrats have already done is open Pandora's box to a never ending cycle of "How do we use the system to take down President X?" The damage they have already caused to the 2 Party system of our government will take many years to undo.

No assfuck. Trump opened the God damn box when he tried to use government funds to bribe the President of the Ukraine for a political favor.

THAT is what opened the box,.

He did no such thing.

So, No aid unless you announce an investigation into Biden" is not a bribe?

Have you learned to read since you left Topix?


"I tried diligently to ask why the aid was suspended, but I never received a clear answer. In the absence of any credible explanation for the suspension of aid, I later came to believe that the resumption of security aid would not occur until there was a public statement from Ukraine committing to the investigations of the 2016 election and Burisma, as Mr. Giuliani had demanded," Sondland said.

came to believe

He made it up.

 

[Ame®icano]

The Prosecutor at that time was not cleaning up the corruption. So we told the Ukraine that we would not give them aid unless they replaced that prosecutor to show they are fighting that corruption

That is the Biden response but its false...its actually 100% backwards....That prosecutor was investigating a corrupt company that was stealing millions of dollars most of which was aid from the U.S. and since Hunter worked for that company Biden wanted the guy fired....now that is impeachable....

Bullshit. There was no active investigation ongoing into Burisma when Shokin was sacked.

Timeline in Ukraine Probe Casts Doubt on Giuliani’s Biden Claim

But what has received less attention is that at the time Biden made his ultimatum, the probe into the company -- Burisma Holdings, owned by Mykola Zlochevsky -- had been long dormant, according to the former official, Vitaliy Kasko.​

Investigation was officially closed by Yuriy Lutsenko, who was Shokin successor.

That means that investigation into Burisma was still open when Shokin was fired.

As per his own words, he was given list of people that he cannot prosecute. Who gave him a list?

US Ambassador Yovanovich.

Top Ukrainian justice official says US ambassador gave him a do not prosecute list

 

[hadit]

That's why I'm withholding judgement until everything is heard.

Totally fair. Then we are in agreement that Trump, Pompeii, Giuliani, Mulvaney, and Perry should all go under oath in front on Congress and answer questions.

If it's more than just an open-ended fishing expedition based on, "We know you're guilty of something and we'll keep pestering you until we can find something", sure. And while we're at it, let's bring in some of the big players on the other side as well. Let's find out what connections Schiff had with the WB. Did he violate the law regarding how to handle one? Why did Pelosi appoint Schiff to head this up any way, when his committee normally doesn't handle impeachment? Where are the actual eye witnesses with more than, "I assume", "I think", "It was my impression", "I heard it from someone who said they heard something"? It would be instructive for the people to hear this kind of stuff to cut through the fog of selective leaks that Schiff carefully set up to establish the narrative ahead of time, leaks that the usual suspects leaped on and regarded as gospel truth.

 

[Flopper]

How can you charge Trump with crimes no one saw?

Bribery? Nope

Quid Pro Quo? Nope

Trump is not being legally charged with any crimes. He's being impeached. Articles of impeachment can include climes but most articles are not federal crimes. The most common articles are violation of oath of office, misuse of executive power, conduct unbecoming the office, and lying to congress.

Impeachment is a political process used to remove a president just as election is a political process for selecting a president. What this means is that all laws and regulation involving evidence and criminal court procedures do apply. The entire process is regulated by House and Senate rules and the constitution.

For example, the legal concept of hearsay applies in trials and related proceedings in court. It doesn’t apply and doesn’t make sense in the congressional impeachment inquiry, nor in any potential impeachment trial in the Senate.

Congress is not a court, and no rules of evidence apply to its activities, including impeachment. This is not a technical distinction: It’s a foundation part of the constitutional structure.

Why hearsay isn't a problem for Congress in impeachment hearings

Super. Then let's stretch the limits of the Constitution and the definition of 'hearsay' so that the minority Party will always just Impeach every sitting President from now on.

Hearsay evidence is admissible in impeachment hearing, grand juries, probate hearing, parole hearings, etc where there is no cross examination. The reason hearsay evidence is not admissible is that it is generally less reliable and it becomes impossible to cross examine a witness who gives hearsay evidence because the witness can not answer questions about evidence.

Congress is not a court. It’s a legislative body, and it’s not bound by the centuries of common law that built up around the admissibility of hearsay evidence. It will be interesting to see what hearsay evidence will be allowed in the a senate trial since rules of evidence and procedures are government by senate rules that are mostly based on precedent.

However, all this makes little difference since the Senate will vote along party lines as will the House which makes evidence irrelevant.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump is not being legally charged with any crimes. He's being impeached. Articles of impeachment can include climes but most articles are not federal crimes. The most common articles are violation of oath of office, misuse of executive power, conduct unbecoming the office, and lying to congress.

Impeachment is a political process used to remove a president just as election is a political process for selecting a president. What this means is that all laws and regulation involving evidence and criminal court procedures do apply. The entire process is regulated by House and Senate rules and the constitution.

For example, the legal concept of hearsay applies in trials and related proceedings in court. It doesn’t apply and doesn’t make sense in the congressional impeachment inquiry, nor in any potential impeachment trial in the Senate.

Congress is not a court, and no rules of evidence apply to its activities, including impeachment. This is not a technical distinction: It’s a foundation part of the constitutional structure.

Why hearsay isn't a problem for Congress in impeachment hearings

You say mis-use of office, executive power etc, but what about the mis-use of government in the ways in which the demoncrats are using it in order to make bogus claims against the President for purely partisan political reasons ?

A power struggle between groups is exactly what's going on here, and anyone with a second grade education can see this for what it is, and for what it has been since 2016.

If anything the swamp has been paraded out, and through this farce it has been shown just how bad things can get if powerful brainwashing goes on for way to long in America. It has been educational in that regard for sure.

Exactly! The laws and the Constitution are there to protect the interests of America and Americans. They were never intended to be used as weapons to take down an adversary because you hate him or because of your lust for power.

What the Democrats have already done is open Pandora's box to a never ending cycle of "How do we use the system to take down President X?" The damage they have already caused to the 2 Party system of our government will take many years to undo.

No assfuck. Trump opened the God damn box when he tried to use government funds to bribe the President of the Ukraine for a political favor.

THAT is what opened the box,.

He did no such thing.

So, No aid unless you announce an investigation into Biden" is not a bribe?

When did Trump say that? Not in the phone call.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If there is a Senate trial for impeachment, Schiff, Joe, Hunter, and the whistleblower will be subpoenaed.

It’ll be fantastic.

Schiff keeps saying he has no idea who the whistleblower is. You know he is lying!

Somebody better reveal who the rat is, because the Senate needs the rat to testify.

So, a person that reports wrong doing in government is a rat? I thought you assfucks were against government corruption?

Not if there is real wrongdoing. But in search for any weak excuse to try and impeach somebody is being a rat; whoever it is is working with the commies.

Well, THAT'S over with.

The House has all they need for Articles of Impeachment.

How long will the folks here argue about it?

You do understand that Trump will not be removed from office?

We'll see if what he did matters to voters. If he isn't removed by the Senate, he might be removed at the ballot box.

But will he CHEAT AGAIN, like with what he did in the Ukraine, before the next election?

I believe all facts show that HE WILL.... that's why he should be removed now... because of election cheating imo....And using his office of power to do it.

Commie Rule 100: Anytime a Republican wins, they cheated somehow.

Maybe if your party ended their voter suppression, people wouldn't think that.

Do you mean Voter-ID? You can't buy a pack of cigarettes if you are a younger person without an ID. Same for alcohol. Same for opening up a bank account. Same for getting a house loan. Same for getting a passport.

Making sure only people allowed to vote can vote is what the left calls suppression, because they've been used to cheating all this time.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I couldn't care less about Biden. Investigate him for all I care.

But Trump is still not legally allowed to solicit a foreign national to do it for him.

I want my president to uncover and investigate corruption in other nations before he sends my tax dollars to them...what is it that you find troubling about that?....

Then you should have elected one who sought to have Ukraine fight against corruption rather than look into a 3 year old rumor.

Rumor? Biden, himself, admitted to it on video tape. It's out there for all to see.

Liar. Biden never admitted to corruption. He admitted to fighting corruption by getting a corrupt prosecutor fired.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie , they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

Ukraine being "the most corrupted country in the world" at the time, had half or more of their officials, including their president, corrupted.

And out of ALL those corrupted people, this ONE prosecutor was so important to be fired, and was the ONLY one that had to be fired immediately, on request of US vice-president. If you're fighting corruption, why would you stop there?

Wha the commies are expecting us to believe is that Joe got the prosecutor fired because he was not doing enough to look into the corruption of the company that was paying his son 80K a month. They really think we believe that.

 

[rightwinger]

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[the other mike]

Maybe if your party would stop busing illegal aliens to the polls people would see the truth....

Actually, they learned it from the Koch brothers TEA party
artificial turf movement against Obama. American's for Prosperity bused in hundreds of 1000's to those TEA party rallies....by summer 2009 they were nationwide.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If there is a Senate trial for impeachment, Schiff, Joe, Hunter, and the whistleblower will be subpoenaed.

It’ll be fantastic.

Schiff keeps saying he has no idea who the whistleblower is. You know he is lying!

Somebody better reveal who the rat is, because the Senate needs the rat to testify.

Everyone knows...it’s CIA agent Eric Ciaramella.

Why are there men in Black suits knocking on my door?

Hold on, BRB...

Adam is scared Schiffless about the rat being questioned by the Republicans. That's why he reneged on having him or her testify in the House. If the rat answers honestly, it would reveal a small part of the huge deep state we are dealing with.

Schiff is straight up lying that he doesn’t know who the whistleblower is. It’s so obvious it’s hysterical.

Of course he should have testified.

Of course he doesn't know who he is. That's why Schiff nearly jumped out of his seat and over the table when Jordan was asking Vindman which agency he was speaking with.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How can you charge Trump with crimes no one saw?

Bribery? Nope

Quid Pro Quo? Nope

Trump is not being legally charged with any crimes. He's being impeached. Articles of impeachment can include climes but most articles are not federal crimes. The most common articles are violation of oath of office, misuse of executive power, conduct unbecoming the office, and lying to congress.

Impeachment is a political process used to remove a president just as election is a political process for selecting a president. What this means is that all laws and regulation involving evidence and criminal court procedures do apply. The entire process is regulated by House and Senate rules and the constitution.

For example, the legal concept of hearsay applies in trials and related proceedings in court. It doesn’t apply and doesn’t make sense in the congressional impeachment inquiry, nor in any potential impeachment trial in the Senate.

Congress is not a court, and no rules of evidence apply to its activities, including impeachment. This is not a technical distinction: It’s a foundation part of the constitutional structure.

Why hearsay isn't a problem for Congress in impeachment hearings

Super. Then let's stretch the limits of the Constitution and the definition of 'hearsay' so that the minority Party will always just Impeach every sitting President from now on.

Hearsay evidence is admissible in impeachment hearing, grand juries, probate hearing, parole hearings, etc where there is no cross examination. The reason hearsay evidence is not admissible is that it is generally less reliable and it becomes impossible to cross examine a witness who gives hearsay evidence because the witness can not answer questions about evidence.

Congress is not a court. It’s a legislative body, and it’s not bound by the centuries of common law that built up around the admissibility of hearsay evidence. It will be interesting to see what hearsay evidence will be allowed in the a senate trial since rules of evidence and procedures are government by senate rules that are mostly based on precedent.

However, all this makes little difference since the Senate will vote along party lines as will the House which makes evidence irrelevant.

And if you support that, don't be crying when what comes around goes around. If the commies are able to get away with this, don't expect the Republicans for forgive and forget. Like the filibuster rule with judicial nominations, it will come back to haunt the Democrats, trust me.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Schiff is Himler.

Absolutely Gestapo tactics by the Democrats

 

[Ame®icano]

We'll see if what he did matters to voters. If he isn't removed by the Senate, he might be removed at the ballot box.

But will he CHEAT AGAIN, like with what he did in the Ukraine, before the next election?

I believe all facts show that HE WILL.... that's why he should be removed now... because of election cheating imo....And using his office of power to do it.

Commie Rule 100: Anytime a Republican wins, they cheated somehow.

Maybe if your party ended their voter suppression, people wouldn't think that.

Maybe if your party would stop busing illegal aliens to the polls people would see the truth....

illegals can't vote.

Thief can't steal.

 

[toobfreak]

Schiff is Himler.

Absolutely Gestapo tactics by the Democrats

Of course. They are doing everything possible not to get at the facts, but to assure their own desired outcome.

In the Dark Ages, they used to drown witches first to test their innocence. If they drowned, then they weren't a witch.

A moron can see what is going on. Anyone defending these impeachment "investigations" as they are going is simply proving their own total political bias.

This nation will never stand for it.