Offical Impeachment Thread

[Faun]

Then you should have elected one who sought to have Ukraine fight against corruption rather than look into a 3 year old rumor.

Rumor? Biden, himself, admitted to it on video tape. It's out there for all to see.

Liar. Biden never admitted to corruption. He admitted to fighting corruption by getting a corrupt prosecutor fired.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie , they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

I could find the video and link it for ya but I thought I would give you a break from feeling stupid on Friday....Biden is a dumbass and he was bragging about strong arming the president of the Ukraine...he was trying to be a tough guy...we have all seen him do that before....and yes if what Trump did was illegal then so is what Biden did with Obama's blessing....so should we retroactively impeach both Biden and Obama?....

Liar. The two events are not equivalent.

Biden was serving the U.S.

Trump was serving Trump.

That being, it wasn't only Biden who wanted Shokin removed. It was several countries (including Ukraine) and several international bodies. And they didn't just want him removed in March, 2016, when Biden got him fired; the push to get Shokin removed began no less than six months earlier. And the reason multiple countries and international bodies wanted Shokin removed was because he was sift on corruption. There were even accusations he was taking bribes to not investigate crimes. But admittedly, those are unproven accusations. Still, the point is it wasn't just Biden who wanted Shokin out. Nor is there evidence Biden wanted him out because he was investigating Burisma or Hunter Biden as the news reports Shokin was not actively investigating either when Biden got Shokin sacked.

As opposed to Trump who asked a foreign national to investigate Biden over that. Biden is running for the same office as Trump. Biden is leading every Democrat in the polls and is leading Trump by a bigger margin than every other Democrat. Biden's margins were even bigger in July when Trump asked Zelensky to investigate Biden. There's been testimony that Trump would have been satisfied with Ze6 with even just a public declaration that Biden was being investigated, even if he really wasn't being investigated; since even just the air of such a scandal could end Biden's chances of winning the election. That served no one but Trump. That helps Trump's chances at being re-elected. Now while you brain-dead cons don't care if Trump breaks the law as long as he's re-elected, he still broke the law; for which, he's [rightfully] getting impeached.

BULLFUCKINGSHIT.....

LOL

Merely saying, "BULLFUCKINGSHIT," refutes not a word I posted. Thanks for the easy concession.

 

[Rambunctious]

FOX news has had three house dems and one never Trumper republican on this morning that are all saying they can't find an impeachable offense from the inquiry....you guys went too damn far....

 

[jc456]

Now it’s just political grandstanding. These assholes aren’t even asking questions.

They are giving speeches.

Dimms say Trump should be in jail. Pubs say he did nothing wrong.

Isn’t it interesting that OBAMA AND THE DIMMS DIDNT GIVE UKRAINE ANY AID FOR 8 YEARS!

Fucking hypocrites

Which political candidate did Obama ask Ukraine to investigate on his behalf?

If it weren't for false equivalencies, these Trumpies wouldn't be able to post at all.

huh?

 

[Faun]

Rumor? Biden, himself, admitted to it on video tape. It's out there for all to see.

Liar. Biden never admitted to corruption. He admitted to fighting corruption by getting a corrupt prosecutor fired.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie , they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

I could find the video and link it for ya but I thought I would give you a break from feeling stupid on Friday....Biden is a dumbass and he was bragging about strong arming the president of the Ukraine...he was trying to be a tough guy...we have all seen him do that before....and yes if what Trump did was illegal then so is what Biden did with Obama's blessing....so should we retroactively impeach both Biden and Obama?....

Trump is trying to encourage the Republican Senate to subpoena Joe and his son. That would be a real hoot.

And they'll get to do that in the trial, if not on the hearings.

FOX news has had three dems on this morning that are saying they can't find an impeachable offense from the inquiry....you guys went too damn far....

LOL

Whoa.... three Dems said that means Dems went too far, huh? No way.

 

[Rambunctious]

Rumor? Biden, himself, admitted to it on video tape. It's out there for all to see.

Liar. Biden never admitted to corruption. He admitted to fighting corruption by getting a corrupt prosecutor fired.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie , they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

I could find the video and link it for ya but I thought I would give you a break from feeling stupid on Friday....Biden is a dumbass and he was bragging about strong arming the president of the Ukraine...he was trying to be a tough guy...we have all seen him do that before....and yes if what Trump did was illegal then so is what Biden did with Obama's blessing....so should we retroactively impeach both Biden and Obama?....

Liar. The two events are not equivalent.

Biden was serving the U.S.

Trump was serving Trump.

That being, it wasn't only Biden who wanted Shokin removed. It was several countries (including Ukraine) and several international bodies. And they didn't just want him removed in March, 2016, when Biden got him fired; the push to get Shokin removed began no less than six months earlier. And the reason multiple countries and international bodies wanted Shokin removed was because he was sift on corruption. There were even accusations he was taking bribes to not investigate crimes. But admittedly, those are unproven accusations. Still, the point is it wasn't just Biden who wanted Shokin out. Nor is there evidence Biden wanted him out because he was investigating Burisma or Hunter Biden as the news reports Shokin was not actively investigating either when Biden got Shokin sacked.

As opposed to Trump who asked a foreign national to investigate Biden over that. Biden is running for the same office as Trump. Biden is leading every Democrat in the polls and is leading Trump by a bigger margin than every other Democrat. Biden's margins were even bigger in July when Trump asked Zelensky to investigate Biden. There's been testimony that Trump would have been satisfied with Ze6 with even just a public declaration that Biden was being investigated, even if he really wasn't being investigated; since even just the air of such a scandal could end Biden's chances of winning the election. That served no one but Trump. That helps Trump's chances at being re-elected. Now while you brain-dead cons don't care if Trump breaks the law as long as he's re-elected, he still broke the law; for which, he's [rightfully] getting impeached.

BULLFUCKINGSHIT.....

LOL

Merely saying, "BULLFUCKINGSHIT," refutes not a word I posted. Thanks for the easy concession.

Find a current link your old dead links have been proven fake....fake news links....LMFAO

 

[Faun]

The Prosecutor at that time was not cleaning up the corruption. So we told the Ukraine that we would not give them aid unless they replaced that prosecutor to show they are fighting that corruption

That is the Biden response but its false...its actually 100% backwards....That prosecutor was investigating a corrupt company that was stealing millions of dollars most of which was aid from the U.S. and since Hunter worked for that company Biden wanted the guy fired....now that is impeachable....

Bullshit. There was no active investigation ongoing into Burisma when Shokin was sacked.

Timeline in Ukraine Probe Casts Doubt on Giuliani’s Biden Claim

But what has received less attention is that at the time Biden made his ultimatum, the probe into the company -- Burisma Holdings, owned by Mykola Zlochevsky -- had been long dormant, according to the former official, Vitaliy Kasko.​

Buuuaaahahahaha...that link is from May idiot...and it was wrong...

So you say ... while providing zero evidence.

 

[Rambunctious]

Liar. Biden never admitted to corruption. He admitted to fighting corruption by getting a corrupt prosecutor fired.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie , they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

I could find the video and link it for ya but I thought I would give you a break from feeling stupid on Friday....Biden is a dumbass and he was bragging about strong arming the president of the Ukraine...he was trying to be a tough guy...we have all seen him do that before....and yes if what Trump did was illegal then so is what Biden did with Obama's blessing....so should we retroactively impeach both Biden and Obama?....

Trump is trying to encourage the Republican Senate to subpoena Joe and his son. That would be a real hoot.

And they'll get to do that in the trial, if not on the hearings.

FOX news has had three dems on this morning that are saying they can't find an impeachable offense from the inquiry....you guys went too damn far....

LOL

Whoa.... three Dems said that means Dems went too far, huh? No way.

Obviously Schiff has failed to prove anything...if the impeachment passes the house it will be without full democrat support.....have a nice 4 more years buttkiss.....

 

[Faun]

Liar. Biden never admitted to corruption. He admitted to fighting corruption by getting a corrupt prosecutor fired.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie , they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

I could find the video and link it for ya but I thought I would give you a break from feeling stupid on Friday....Biden is a dumbass and he was bragging about strong arming the president of the Ukraine...he was trying to be a tough guy...we have all seen him do that before....and yes if what Trump did was illegal then so is what Biden did with Obama's blessing....so should we retroactively impeach both Biden and Obama?....

Liar. The two events are not equivalent.

Biden was serving the U.S.

Trump was serving Trump.

That being, it wasn't only Biden who wanted Shokin removed. It was several countries (including Ukraine) and several international bodies. And they didn't just want him removed in March, 2016, when Biden got him fired; the push to get Shokin removed began no less than six months earlier. And the reason multiple countries and international bodies wanted Shokin removed was because he was sift on corruption. There were even accusations he was taking bribes to not investigate crimes. But admittedly, those are unproven accusations. Still, the point is it wasn't just Biden who wanted Shokin out. Nor is there evidence Biden wanted him out because he was investigating Burisma or Hunter Biden as the news reports Shokin was not actively investigating either when Biden got Shokin sacked.

As opposed to Trump who asked a foreign national to investigate Biden over that. Biden is running for the same office as Trump. Biden is leading every Democrat in the polls and is leading Trump by a bigger margin than every other Democrat. Biden's margins were even bigger in July when Trump asked Zelensky to investigate Biden. There's been testimony that Trump would have been satisfied with Ze6 with even just a public declaration that Biden was being investigated, even if he really wasn't being investigated; since even just the air of such a scandal could end Biden's chances of winning the election. That served no one but Trump. That helps Trump's chances at being re-elected. Now while you brain-dead cons don't care if Trump breaks the law as long as he's re-elected, he still broke the law; for which, he's [rightfully] getting impeached.

BULLFUCKINGSHIT.....

LOL

Merely saying, "BULLFUCKINGSHIT," refutes not a word I posted. Thanks for the easy concession.

Find a current link your old dead links have been proven fake....fake news links....LMFAO

LOL

I need not find anything else when you can't prove the news I showed was wrong.

 

[Rambunctious]

FOX news has had three house dems and one never Trumper republican on this morning that are all saying they can't find an impeachable offense from the inquiry....you guys went too damn far....

 

[Faun]

I could find the video and link it for ya but I thought I would give you a break from feeling stupid on Friday....Biden is a dumbass and he was bragging about strong arming the president of the Ukraine...he was trying to be a tough guy...we have all seen him do that before....and yes if what Trump did was illegal then so is what Biden did with Obama's blessing....so should we retroactively impeach both Biden and Obama?....

Trump is trying to encourage the Republican Senate to subpoena Joe and his son. That would be a real hoot.

And they'll get to do that in the trial, if not on the hearings.

FOX news has had three dems on this morning that are saying they can't find an impeachable offense from the inquiry....you guys went too damn far....

LOL

Whoa.... three Dems said that means Dems went too far, huh? No way.

Obviously Schiff has failed to prove anything...if the impeachment passes the house it will be without full democrat support.....have a nice 4 more years buttkiss.....

LOL

Funny, that's what I said about Hillary in 2016. I learned from that mistake. Looks like you learned nothing.

 

[MarathonMike]

I Say Pelosi Won't Allow A Vote
Unless She Has Votes To Defeat It

Disagree. Nancy knows where the energy is in her party. She has to have a vote on impeachment, but hope and pray that it fails. If impeachment passes then the show trial goes to the Senate where the democrats will look horrible in a presidential election year.

Pelosi dances at the end of puppet strings being pulled by the new power base of the Democrats. "The Squad" demanded Impeachment of President Trump and they got it. They are being run by the least experienced, dumbest, most radical members of their Party.

 

[Ame®icano]

If there's no dirt on the Biden's, then what are you guys so worried about? Let Hunter testify.

I couldn't care less about Biden. Investigate him for all I care.

But Trump is still not legally allowed to solicit a foreign national to do it for him.

I want my president to uncover and investigate corruption in other nations before he sends my tax dollars to them...what is it that you find troubling about that?....

Then you should have elected one who sought to have Ukraine fight against corruption rather than look into a 3 year old rumor.

Rumor? Biden, himself, admitted to it on video tape. It's out there for all to see.

Liar. Biden never admitted to corruption. He admitted to fighting corruption by getting a corrupt prosecutor fired.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie , they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

Ukraine being "the most corrupted country in the world" at the time, had half or more of their officials, including their president, corrupted.

And out of ALL those corrupted people, this ONE prosecutor was so important to be fired, and was the ONLY one that had to be fired immediately, on request of US vice-president. If you're fighting corruption, why would you stop there?

 

[Faun]

FOX news has had three house dems and one never Trumper republican on this morning that are all saying they can't find an impeachable offense from the inquiry....you guys went too damn far....

LOL

So now you're up to 3 dems and 1 rep.

 

[Rambunctious]

Trump is trying to encourage the Republican Senate to subpoena Joe and his son. That would be a real hoot.

And they'll get to do that in the trial, if not on the hearings.

FOX news has had three dems on this morning that are saying they can't find an impeachable offense from the inquiry....you guys went too damn far....

LOL

Whoa.... three Dems said that means Dems went too far, huh? No way.

Obviously Schiff has failed to prove anything...if the impeachment passes the house it will be without full democrat support.....have a nice 4 more years buttkiss.....

LOL

Funny, that's what I said about Hillary in 2016. I learned from that mistake. Looks like you learned nothing.

You forget that I'm always right....Flynn will walk.....Buuuuaaahahahaha...

 

[Rambunctious]

FOX news has had three house dems and one never Trumper republican on this morning that are all saying they can't find an impeachable offense from the inquiry....you guys went too damn far....

LOL

So now you're up to 3 dems and 1 rep.

Impeachment not supported by any republican and not every dem will be laughed at in the senate....

 

[RealDave]

How can you charge Trump with crimes no one saw?

Bribery? Nope

Quid Pro Quo? Nope

Trump is not being legally charged with any crimes. He's being impeached. Articles of impeachment can include climes but most articles are not federal crimes. The most common articles are violation of oath of office, misuse of executive power, conduct unbecoming the office, and lying to congress.

Impeachment is a political process used to remove a president just as election is a political process for selecting a president. What this means is that all laws and regulation involving evidence and criminal court procedures do apply. The entire process is regulated by House and Senate rules and the constitution.

For example, the legal concept of hearsay applies in trials and related proceedings in court. It doesn’t apply and doesn’t make sense in the congressional impeachment inquiry, nor in any potential impeachment trial in the Senate.

Congress is not a court, and no rules of evidence apply to its activities, including impeachment. This is not a technical distinction: It’s a foundation part of the constitutional structure.

Why hearsay isn't a problem for Congress in impeachment hearings

You say mis-use of office, executive power etc, but what about the mis-use of government in the ways in which the demoncrats are using it in order to make bogus claims against the President for purely partisan political reasons ?

A power struggle between groups is exactly what's going on here, and anyone with a second grade education can see this for what it is, and for what it has been since 2016.

If anything the swamp has been paraded out, and through this farce it has been shown just how bad things can get if powerful brainwashing goes on for way to long in America. It has been educational in that regard for sure.

Exactly! The laws and the Constitution are there to protect the interests of America and Americans. They were never intended to be used as weapons to take down an adversary because you hate him or because of your lust for power.

What the Democrats have already done is open Pandora's box to a never ending cycle of "How do we use the system to take down President X?" The damage they have already caused to the 2 Party system of our government will take many years to undo.

No assfuck. Trump opened the God damn box when he tried to use government funds to bribe the President of the Ukraine for a political favor.

THAT is what opened the box,.

 

[Faun]

And they'll get to do that in the trial, if not on the hearings.

FOX news has had three dems on this morning that are saying they can't find an impeachable offense from the inquiry....you guys went too damn far....

LOL

Whoa.... three Dems said that means Dems went too far, huh? No way.

Obviously Schiff has failed to prove anything...if the impeachment passes the house it will be without full democrat support.....have a nice 4 more years buttkiss.....

LOL

Funny, that's what I said about Hillary in 2016. I learned from that mistake. Looks like you learned nothing.

You forget that I'm always right....Flynn will walk.....Buuuuaaahahahaha...

LOLOLOLOLOL

You're always right???

You first denied Flynn was even convicted. Then you posted how Flynn had not pled guilty in front of a judge or in a court of law.

I showed you were flat out wrong by posting a link to an article about how Judge Emmet Sullivan accepted Flynn's guilty plea in his court.

That you now claim you are "never wrong" does nothing other than reflect on just how fucked in the head you really are.

 

[flack]

How can you charge Trump with crimes no one saw?

Bribery? Nope

Quid Pro Quo? Nope

Trump is not being legally charged with any crimes. He's being impeached. Articles of impeachment can include climes but most articles are not federal crimes. The most common articles are violation of oath of office, misuse of executive power, conduct unbecoming the office, and lying to congress.

Impeachment is a political process used to remove a president just as election is a political process for selecting a president. What this means is that all laws and regulation involving evidence and criminal court procedures do apply. The entire process is regulated by House and Senate rules and the constitution.

For example, the legal concept of hearsay applies in trials and related proceedings in court. It doesn’t apply and doesn’t make sense in the congressional impeachment inquiry, nor in any potential impeachment trial in the Senate.

Congress is not a court, and no rules of evidence apply to its activities, including impeachment. This is not a technical distinction: It’s a foundation part of the constitutional structure.

Why hearsay isn't a problem for Congress in impeachment hearings

You say mis-use of office, executive power etc, but what about the mis-use of government in the ways in which the demoncrats are using it in order to make bogus claims against the President for purely partisan political reasons ?

A power struggle between groups is exactly what's going on here, and anyone with a second grade education can see this for what it is, and for what it has been since 2016.

If anything the swamp has been paraded out, and through this farce it has been shown just how bad things can get if powerful brainwashing goes on for way to long in America. It has been educational in that regard for sure.

Exactly! The laws and the Constitution are there to protect the interests of America and Americans. They were never intended to be used as weapons to take down an adversary because you hate him or because of your lust for power.

What the Democrats have already done is open Pandora's box to a never ending cycle of "How do we use the system to take down President X?" The damage they have already caused to the 2 Party system of our government will take many years to undo.

No assfuck. Trump opened the God damn box when he tried to use government funds to bribe the President of the Ukraine for a political favor.

THAT is what opened the box,.

He did no such thing.

 

[RealDave]

Well, THAT'S over with.

The House has all they need for Articles of Impeachment.

How long will the folks here argue about it?

You do understand that Trump will not be removed from office?

We'll see if what he did matters to voters. If he isn't removed by the Senate, he might be removed at the ballot box.

But will he CHEAT AGAIN, like with what he did in the Ukraine, before the next election?

I believe all facts show that HE WILL.... that's why he should be removed now... because of election cheating imo....And using his office of power to do it.

Commie Rule 100: Anytime a Republican wins, they cheated somehow.

Maybe if your party ended their voter suppression, people wouldn't think that.

 

[RealDave]

If there is a Senate trial for impeachment, Schiff, Joe, Hunter, and the whistleblower will be subpoenaed.

It’ll be fantastic.

Schiff keeps saying he has no idea who the whistleblower is. You know he is lying!

Somebody better reveal who the rat is, because the Senate needs the rat to testify.

So, a person that reports wrong doing in government is a rat? I thought you assfucks were against government corruption?