Official CDC projections for COVID -- Updated regularly..

total deaths so far, COVID19 vrs flu.

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Except, this is a lie by CDC and Washington Post.

This week CDC quietly updated the COVID numbers to admit that only 6% of all deaths recorder actually died from COVID. Meaning, out of 189,000 only 11,300 are dead from COVID, and the other 94% were from other serious illnesses and old people.
oh dear Lord! Stop this right wing brainless BULL crap, that you minions were told to regurgitate like a good little cult member.....

All 100% DIED FROM COVID, of which 6% were completely healthy people with no other medical conditions.

You guys are nuts!

And, it is a KNOWN fact that COVID deaths have been UNDER COUNTED, not over counted!

Your heads, need to be shaken against the wall, to put your numb, Trump dumb brains back in place!!!!!!!!!!!!

They’re CDC numbers...Don’t you like the science?
Yes, they are the CDC numbers, that are gathering information on who are at higher risk of dying from COVID if they catch it..... What age, what sex, what other conditions, put you at higher risk of dying from the virus if you catch the virus.....

ok, and? What you are missing is that the vast majority of the numbers used to damage Trump in this are either false positives, or died from other complicating factors. Remember, it wasn’t Trump pushing COVID positive cases into nursing homes was it?
That is simply NOT TRUE.

It's FAKE NEWS.

It's Misinformation, that you are spreading.

No, it’s the science...Do you now not believe the science?
We seem to be talking past one another?

The science says that over 180,000 human beings have died from COVID 19.

Do you agree or disagree, with the Science?
if i agree with science, and science says we can vote in person so mail in is not needed, the question then becomes, do YOU still believe in science?

If masks works, than why distancing?
If distancing works, than why masks?
If both, mask and distancing works, than why not to vote in person?
If both, masks and distancing works, than why lockdowns?
If lockdowns works, than why vaccines?
Lockdowns don't work.
C19 mutates.
But all viruses mutate....??
Yep...and you are susceptible to C19 again in less than 30 days.

Nope.
That is totally untrue, based on several misunderstandings of press releases.

First of all, what goes away in 30 days are the antibodies, not immunity.
Immunity is the ability of your immune system to identify an invader and wipe it out.
If produces antibodies in order to do that, but all antibodies last less than 30 days.
But immunity is the ability to produce them again, any time they are needed.
And that tends to NEVER go away once acquired.

Sure you can get infected over and over, by covid-19, or ANY virus.
Immunity does not mean you can't get infected.
Immunity just means that instead of getting sick, you become asymptomatic.

And it actually really irritates me that people constantly talk about viruses "mutating".
A mutation is a random damage to a long RNA or DNA protein chain.
And that is almost ALWAYS fatal to any organism dependent upon that RNA or DNA.
Random damage is not going to be viable normally.
It just means death, like any organism killed by radiation.
What REALLY happens with viruses, is that 2 viruses happen to infect the same cell.
When that happens, their RNA can mix.
And that is closer to a hybrid than a mutation.
That also is much more likely to succeed than any common and destructive mutation.
Viruses that get stronger or more deadly are NOT mutations, but hybrids.
Yep...and you are susceptible to C19 again in less than 30 days.

I suggest you join a community forum of Facebook and find out what's happening outside your house.

No, you can get infected again, but you are not susceptible because your immune system has become aware of the covid virus and which means defeats it.
For example, you can not spread it because the virus can not multiply enough to shed.
I know dozens of people who have had COVID 2 times and about 10 who have had it for a 3rd time.
And none were pleasant.
 
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Starting to see possible "disinformation" on COVID numbers.. To my knowledge, ALL physician, medical statistics on epidemics are reported THRU the CDC... So whether that information is FULLY correct, does not matter as much as information that "suddenly appears" from some random sites that might be linked to other countries efforts to "quiet us down" or "rile us up"...

Apologies to anyone that posted this link already.. Saw it yesterday and the gist is --- Most states and the country are gonna PEAK Mid-April... With "out of the wood" being maybe mid May... When you READ the graphs, realized they are MODELS.. So the solid lines are the BEST EXPECTATIONS... The color shaded areas are measures of UNCERTAINTY...

Like for the Entire US graph --- the uncertainties run kinda high because of not knowing how many OTHER major population areas will be hit -- etc... But if you drill down to "mild states" -- the timeframe is the same, but the uncertainty is almost negligible...

Here's the site -- it's an ORG associated with CDC.. Stay well and don't panic.

Thanks for the thread.
It just doesn’t add up. We are half way up the curve right now. Grand total in the hospital in the entire state of Virginia right now - 165. It’s not jiving.
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Wow this projection Bombed. Hospital parking lots are empty and nurses are being laid off.
 
Starting to see possible "disinformation" on COVID numbers.. To my knowledge, ALL physician, medical statistics on epidemics are reported THRU the CDC... So whether that information is FULLY correct, does not matter as much as information that "suddenly appears" from some random sites that might be linked to other countries efforts to "quiet us down" or "rile us up"...

Apologies to anyone that posted this link already.. Saw it yesterday and the gist is --- Most states and the country are gonna PEAK Mid-April... With "out of the wood" being maybe mid May... When you READ the graphs, realized they are MODELS.. So the solid lines are the BEST EXPECTATIONS... The color shaded areas are measures of UNCERTAINTY...

Like for the Entire US graph --- the uncertainties run kinda high because of not knowing how many OTHER major population areas will be hit -- etc... But if you drill down to "mild states" -- the timeframe is the same, but the uncertainty is almost negligible...

Here's the site -- it's an ORG associated with CDC.. Stay well and don't panic.

Thanks for the thread.
It just doesn’t add up. We are half way up the curve right now. Grand total in the hospital in the entire state of Virginia right now - 165. It’s not jiving.
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Wow this projection Bombed. Hospital parking lots are empty and nurses are being laid off.

Wow.. Worth looking at a "golden oldie" there. First attempts at modeling ANYTHING new always suck.. It's no way to run a country or panic the public with those early projections,. They should be given to the media as "early models" with confidence levels attached. Or not given at all...

Same deal with the early GWarming models from the 80's and 90's that launched that circus train.. They ALL STILL LIVE on the web and make folks piss their pants even today...
 
Nope.
That is totally untrue, based on several misunderstandings of press releases.

First of all, what goes away in 30 days are the antibodies, not immunity.
Immunity is the ability of your immune system to identify an invader and wipe it out.
If produces antibodies in order to do that, but all antibodies last less than 30 days.
But immunity is the ability to produce them again, any time they are needed.
And that tends to NEVER go away once acquired.

Sure you can get infected over and over, by covid-19, or ANY virus.
Immunity does not mean you can't get infected.
Immunity just means that instead of getting sick, you become asymptomatic.

And it actually really irritates me that people constantly talk about viruses "mutating".
A mutation is a random damage to a long RNA or DNA protein chain.
And that is almost ALWAYS fatal to any organism dependent upon that RNA or DNA.
Random damage is not going to be viable normally.
It just means death, like any organism killed by radiation.
What REALLY happens with viruses, is that 2 viruses happen to infect the same cell.
When that happens, their RNA can mix.
And that is closer to a hybrid than a mutation.
That also is much more likely to succeed than any common and destructive mutation.
Viruses that get stronger or more deadly are NOT mutations, but hybrids.


Summary
Understanding adaptive immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is important for vaccine development, interpreting coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pathogenesis, and calibration of pandemic control measures. Using HLA class I and II predicted peptide “megapools,” circulating SARS-CoV-2-specific CD8+ and CD4+ T cells were identified in ∼70% and 100% of COVID-19 convalescent patients, respectively. CD4+ T cell responses to spike, the main target of most vaccine efforts, were robust and correlated with the magnitude of the anti-SARS-CoV-2 IgG and IgA titers. The M, spike, and N proteins each accounted for 11%–27% of the total CD4+ response, with additional responses commonly targeting nsp3, nsp4, ORF3a, and ORF8, among others. For CD8+ T cells, spike and M were recognized, with at least eight SARS-CoV-2 ORFs targeted. Importantly, we detected SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ∼40%–60% of unexposed individuals, suggesting cross-reactive T cell recognition between circulating “common cold” coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2.
 
Nope.
That is totally untrue, based on several misunderstandings of press releases.

First of all, what goes away in 30 days are the antibodies, not immunity.
Immunity is the ability of your immune system to identify an invader and wipe it out.
If produces antibodies in order to do that, but all antibodies last less than 30 days.
But immunity is the ability to produce them again, any time they are needed.
And that tends to NEVER go away once acquired.

Sure you can get infected over and over, by covid-19, or ANY virus.
Immunity does not mean you can't get infected.
Immunity just means that instead of getting sick, you become asymptomatic.

And it actually really irritates me that people constantly talk about viruses "mutating".
A mutation is a random damage to a long RNA or DNA protein chain.
And that is almost ALWAYS fatal to any organism dependent upon that RNA or DNA.
Random damage is not going to be viable normally.
It just means death, like any organism killed by radiation.
What REALLY happens with viruses, is that 2 viruses happen to infect the same cell.
When that happens, their RNA can mix.
And that is closer to a hybrid than a mutation.
That also is much more likely to succeed than any common and destructive mutation.
Viruses that get stronger or more deadly are NOT mutations, but hybrids.


Summary
Understanding adaptive immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is important for vaccine development, interpreting coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pathogenesis, and calibration of pandemic control measures. Using HLA class I and II predicted peptide “megapools,” circulating SARS-CoV-2-specific CD8+ and CD4+ T cells were identified in ∼70% and 100% of COVID-19 convalescent patients, respectively. CD4+ T cell responses to spike, the main target of most vaccine efforts, were robust and correlated with the magnitude of the anti-SARS-CoV-2 IgG and IgA titers. The M, spike, and N proteins each accounted for 11%–27% of the total CD4+ response, with additional responses commonly targeting nsp3, nsp4, ORF3a, and ORF8, among others. For CD8+ T cells, spike and M were recognized, with at least eight SARS-CoV-2 ORFs targeted. Importantly, we detected SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ∼40%–60% of unexposed individuals, suggesting cross-reactive T cell recognition between circulating “common cold” coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2.

Next time someone talks about how much masks work you can reference the collection of masks info studies here (including CDC). It is super easy read or reference.

Mask Studies!
Some of the studies below recommend the use of masks after stating there is no strong evidence supporting their use. When the recommendation of a paper conflicts with the evidence stated, we provide the statement about the evidence.
LINK
 
DO the best you can, wash up after being out try and keep some distance from others if you feel its not necessary to wear a mask. That's just being polite to all, & respectful of us older folks.
 
Here's a fun fact;

Every year, the number of Americans who die from lower respiratory tract infections floats at a fairly consistent number of 280,000.

The same number of people have died of Covid infections this year, that died the previous year from coronavirus and influenza infections, and the year before that.

Other than the clotting twist, which may actually be inherent to ALL coronaviruses, seeing as how this is the first time the entire global scientific community has studied a cold virus this closely, we may have just not been paying close enough attention to make the connection until now...otherwise, 2020 has been a normal year for respiratory infection deaths, and the number is in fact DOWN globally from previous years.
 
Nope.
That is totally untrue, based on several misunderstandings of press releases.

First of all, what goes away in 30 days are the antibodies, not immunity.
Immunity is the ability of your immune system to identify an invader and wipe it out.
If produces antibodies in order to do that, but all antibodies last less than 30 days.
But immunity is the ability to produce them again, any time they are needed.
And that tends to NEVER go away once acquired.

Sure you can get infected over and over, by covid-19, or ANY virus.
Immunity does not mean you can't get infected.
Immunity just means that instead of getting sick, you become asymptomatic.

And it actually really irritates me that people constantly talk about viruses "mutating".
A mutation is a random damage to a long RNA or DNA protein chain.
And that is almost ALWAYS fatal to any organism dependent upon that RNA or DNA.
Random damage is not going to be viable normally.
It just means death, like any organism killed by radiation.
What REALLY happens with viruses, is that 2 viruses happen to infect the same cell.
When that happens, their RNA can mix.
And that is closer to a hybrid than a mutation.
That also is much more likely to succeed than any common and destructive mutation.
Viruses that get stronger or more deadly are NOT mutations, but hybrids.


Summary
Understanding adaptive immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is important for vaccine development, interpreting coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pathogenesis, and calibration of pandemic control measures. Using HLA class I and II predicted peptide “megapools,” circulating SARS-CoV-2-specific CD8+ and CD4+ T cells were identified in ∼70% and 100% of COVID-19 convalescent patients, respectively. CD4+ T cell responses to spike, the main target of most vaccine efforts, were robust and correlated with the magnitude of the anti-SARS-CoV-2 IgG and IgA titers. The M, spike, and N proteins each accounted for 11%–27% of the total CD4+ response, with additional responses commonly targeting nsp3, nsp4, ORF3a, and ORF8, among others. For CD8+ T cells, spike and M were recognized, with at least eight SARS-CoV-2 ORFs targeted. Importantly, we detected SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ∼40%–60% of unexposed individuals, suggesting cross-reactive T cell recognition between circulating “common cold” coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2.

Next time someone talks about how much masks work you can reference the collection of masks info studies here (including CDC). It is super easy read or reference.

Mask Studies!
Some of the studies below recommend the use of masks after stating there is no strong evidence supporting their use. When the recommendation of a paper conflicts with the evidence stated, we provide the statement about the evidence.
LINK


The strong conclusion is that those who wear masks are much more likely to become infected with COVID-19, or for that matter, any coronavirus.

A mask concentrates the viral load in nasal tissue, eyes and lungs.

Dr. Russell Blaylock, a board-certified neurosurgeon, has always said the air circulation and ventilation are the best environmental factors to curtail contagion.

Wearing a mask is the polar opposite.



CDC Study Finds Overwhelming Majority Of People Getting Coronavirus Wore Masks

A Centers for Disease Control (CDC) report (Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 Among Symptomatic Adults ≥18 Years) released in September shows that masks and face coverings are not effective in preventing the spread of COVID-19,

even for those people who consistently wear them...

A study conducted in the United States in July found that when they compared 154"case-patients," who tested positive for COVID-19, to a control group of 160 participants from health care facilities who were symptomatic but tested negative, over 70 percent of the case-patients were contaminated with the virus and fell ill despite" always" wearing a mask.


"In the 14 days before illness onset, 71% of case-patients and 74% of control participants reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public," the report stated.

Read more:

 
Nope.
That is totally untrue, based on several misunderstandings of press releases.

First of all, what goes away in 30 days are the antibodies, not immunity.
Immunity is the ability of your immune system to identify an invader and wipe it out.
If produces antibodies in order to do that, but all antibodies last less than 30 days.
But immunity is the ability to produce them again, any time they are needed.
And that tends to NEVER go away once acquired.

Sure you can get infected over and over, by covid-19, or ANY virus.
Immunity does not mean you can't get infected.
Immunity just means that instead of getting sick, you become asymptomatic.

And it actually really irritates me that people constantly talk about viruses "mutating".
A mutation is a random damage to a long RNA or DNA protein chain.
And that is almost ALWAYS fatal to any organism dependent upon that RNA or DNA.
Random damage is not going to be viable normally.
It just means death, like any organism killed by radiation.
What REALLY happens with viruses, is that 2 viruses happen to infect the same cell.
When that happens, their RNA can mix.
And that is closer to a hybrid than a mutation.
That also is much more likely to succeed than any common and destructive mutation.
Viruses that get stronger or more deadly are NOT mutations, but hybrids.


Summary
Understanding adaptive immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is important for vaccine development, interpreting coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pathogenesis, and calibration of pandemic control measures. Using HLA class I and II predicted peptide “megapools,” circulating SARS-CoV-2-specific CD8+ and CD4+ T cells were identified in ∼70% and 100% of COVID-19 convalescent patients, respectively. CD4+ T cell responses to spike, the main target of most vaccine efforts, were robust and correlated with the magnitude of the anti-SARS-CoV-2 IgG and IgA titers. The M, spike, and N proteins each accounted for 11%–27% of the total CD4+ response, with additional responses commonly targeting nsp3, nsp4, ORF3a, and ORF8, among others. For CD8+ T cells, spike and M were recognized, with at least eight SARS-CoV-2 ORFs targeted. Importantly, we detected SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ∼40%–60% of unexposed individuals, suggesting cross-reactive T cell recognition between circulating “common cold” coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2.

Next time someone talks about how much masks work you can reference the collection of masks info studies here (including CDC). It is super easy read or reference.

Mask Studies!
Some of the studies below recommend the use of masks after stating there is no strong evidence supporting their use. When the recommendation of a paper conflicts with the evidence stated, we provide the statement about the evidence.
LINK


The strong conclusion is that those who wear masks are much more likely to become infected with COVID-19, or for that matter, any coronavirus.

A mask concentrates the viral load in nasal tissue, eyes and lungs.

Dr. Russell Blaylock, a board-certified neurosurgeon, has always said the air circulation and ventilation are the best environmental factors to curtail contagion.

Wearing a mask is the polar opposite.



CDC Study Finds Overwhelming Majority Of People Getting Coronavirus Wore Masks

A Centers for Disease Control (CDC) report (Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 Among Symptomatic Adults ≥18 Years) released in September shows that masks and face coverings are not effective in preventing the spread of COVID-19,

even for those people who consistently wear them...

A study conducted in the United States in July found that when they compared 154"case-patients," who tested positive for COVID-19, to a control group of 160 participants from health care facilities who were symptomatic but tested negative, over 70 percent of the case-patients were contaminated with the virus and fell ill despite" always" wearing a mask.


"In the 14 days before illness onset, 71% of case-patients and 74% of control participants reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public," the report stated.

Read more:

70% of people said they always wore their masks. That`s really not evidence that they were wearing a mask.
 
Nope.
That is totally untrue, based on several misunderstandings of press releases.

First of all, what goes away in 30 days are the antibodies, not immunity.
Immunity is the ability of your immune system to identify an invader and wipe it out.
If produces antibodies in order to do that, but all antibodies last less than 30 days.
But immunity is the ability to produce them again, any time they are needed.
And that tends to NEVER go away once acquired.

Sure you can get infected over and over, by covid-19, or ANY virus.
Immunity does not mean you can't get infected.
Immunity just means that instead of getting sick, you become asymptomatic.

And it actually really irritates me that people constantly talk about viruses "mutating".
A mutation is a random damage to a long RNA or DNA protein chain.
And that is almost ALWAYS fatal to any organism dependent upon that RNA or DNA.
Random damage is not going to be viable normally.
It just means death, like any organism killed by radiation.
What REALLY happens with viruses, is that 2 viruses happen to infect the same cell.
When that happens, their RNA can mix.
And that is closer to a hybrid than a mutation.
That also is much more likely to succeed than any common and destructive mutation.
Viruses that get stronger or more deadly are NOT mutations, but hybrids.


Summary
Understanding adaptive immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is important for vaccine development, interpreting coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pathogenesis, and calibration of pandemic control measures. Using HLA class I and II predicted peptide “megapools,” circulating SARS-CoV-2-specific CD8+ and CD4+ T cells were identified in ∼70% and 100% of COVID-19 convalescent patients, respectively. CD4+ T cell responses to spike, the main target of most vaccine efforts, were robust and correlated with the magnitude of the anti-SARS-CoV-2 IgG and IgA titers. The M, spike, and N proteins each accounted for 11%–27% of the total CD4+ response, with additional responses commonly targeting nsp3, nsp4, ORF3a, and ORF8, among others. For CD8+ T cells, spike and M were recognized, with at least eight SARS-CoV-2 ORFs targeted. Importantly, we detected SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ∼40%–60% of unexposed individuals, suggesting cross-reactive T cell recognition between circulating “common cold” coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2.

Next time someone talks about how much masks work you can reference the collection of masks info studies here (including CDC). It is super easy read or reference.

Mask Studies!
Some of the studies below recommend the use of masks after stating there is no strong evidence supporting their use. When the recommendation of a paper conflicts with the evidence stated, we provide the statement about the evidence.
LINK


The strong conclusion is that those who wear masks are much more likely to become infected with COVID-19, or for that matter, any coronavirus.

A mask concentrates the viral load in nasal tissue, eyes and lungs.

Dr. Russell Blaylock, a board-certified neurosurgeon, has always said the air circulation and ventilation are the best environmental factors to curtail contagion.

Wearing a mask is the polar opposite.



CDC Study Finds Overwhelming Majority Of People Getting Coronavirus Wore Masks

A Centers for Disease Control (CDC) report (Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 Among Symptomatic Adults ≥18 Years) released in September shows that masks and face coverings are not effective in preventing the spread of COVID-19,

even for those people who consistently wear them...

A study conducted in the United States in July found that when they compared 154"case-patients," who tested positive for COVID-19, to a control group of 160 participants from health care facilities who were symptomatic but tested negative, over 70 percent of the case-patients were contaminated with the virus and fell ill despite" always" wearing a mask.


"In the 14 days before illness onset, 71% of case-patients and 74% of control participants reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public," the report stated.

Read more:

70% of people said they always wore their masks. That`s really not evidence that they were wearing a mask.

There is no evidence you can type either. You could just be having your mommy do it for you. :D
 
These threads are always evidence of why the US has 4% of the world's population and 19% of COVID fatalities.

Actually hospitals get paid big money here to label a death as a Covid death. Not really that many people died. The numbers are fixed and the fix is in.
 
It's almost as though the fact that masks mainly protect others is not worthy of mention.

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It's almost as though the fact that masks mainly protect others is not worthy of mention.

coronavirus203_02_small.jpg

I protect you when I don't wear the mask. I protect you from tyranny. Take the face diaper off meat head.
 
Actually hospitals get paid big money here to label a death as a Covid death.
The sort of load of bullshit I've come to expect from you.

Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

Are you really getting your facts from USA today? :D That is mainstream, which lies through its teeth.

It is a fact dingleberry. Wake TF up!

Just link among the thousands:

CDC director acknowledges hospitals have a monetary incentive to overcount coronavirus deaths
 
You're merely illustrating the dysfunction that makes the US unable to control a pandemic in its own land.

It's now an object of pity.
 

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